Talk:Obligatory Baháʼí prayers

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Merge

See here —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't we be including this?

No, this is an encyclopedia, not a source of primary material. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 14:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic original, Persian articulation, popular romanization

Aash haado yaa Elaahi

Beh Anaaka khalaghtani

Leh erfaaneka, Va Ebaada-teka.

Aash haado fee haazal heen

Beh aajzi Va ghovaa-teka,

Va zaafee va eghteddaa-reka

va faghree va ghanaa-eka.

Laa Elaaha Ellaa

Aantal ma-haime-nol ghayyoom.

English

"I bear witness O my God

That Thou hast created me

to know Thee and to worship Thee

I testify at this moment

to my powerlessness and to Thy might

to my poverty and to Thy wealth

There in none other God but Thee

The Help in peril, The Self Subsisting".

Chinese, Muslim Hui focused

我見證：真主！您造就了我，來認識您並崇拜你。

現在我見證我的無能和您的萬能，我的貧窮和您的富裕。

除您之外別無別主，您是難中的救者，自有永存者。

Arabic original, Fusha articulation

Ashhadu yaa Ilaahi bi anaaka khalaqtani li 'irfaanika wa 'ibaadatika

Ashhadu fi haadha l-xein bi 'ajzi wa quwwatika, wa dxa'fi wa iqtidaarika wa faqri wa ghanaa-ika.

Laa Ilaaha illaa anta l-muheiminu l-qayyuum

Congregation

The article says congregational prayers are forbidden. So why do Bahais in the Bahá'í House of Worship (Wilmette, Illinois) pray in cogregation? I saw several such videos, where it looks just like Christian congregations in a church. Someone65 (talk) 17:03, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two things - first "It is a congregational prayer: the words are read aloud by a single person while others who are present stand in silence." - this specific practice is forbidden in the case of the personal fulfillment of doing one's obligatory prayers, and is specifically enjoined in the prayer for the dead, and generally in the House of Worship it is not the case that others are forbidden to say prayers only for others to listen to, or in unison, with others. So when at the Temple one will hear others say prayers, but one may also say prayers oneself. They just video taped the focus of the event.Smkolins (talk) 19:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear the Temple is open for many hrs a day and has a few organized events. One can go and pray many times other than these events. Smkolins (talk) 19:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Angels

Hey, do angels such as Gabriel or Michael play a role in Bahai, as they do in other abrahamic beliefs?? Someone65 (talk) 18:56, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gabriel is referenced as in Islam, and there is an angle explored as that Messenger of the Holy Spirit in the analysis at Female Representations of the Holy Spirit. Michael is sometimes interpreted to be about Baha'u'llah Himself in terms of end-times prophecies but that's fairly obscure. Angels in general are fairly radically different from that in other religions in that they are not seen as another category of creation. See, briefly, Angel#Bahá'í Faith. A somewhat longer (but just abstract) can be seen at Cherubim, Seraphim and Demythologization; Some aspects of Babi-Bahá'i angelology and the mala' al-a`la (Supreme Concourse) It may be helpful to have a wider review of Baha'i Theology - see Prolegomena to a Baha'i Theology Smkolins (talk) 20:45, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Esslemont - A study of Bahai prayer

I have removed the following entry from the section 'Further reading', because it includes some incorrect and confusing statement:

Esselmont, John Ebenezer (1920). "A study of Bahai prayer". In Right Rev. W.P. Paterson; Russell, David (eds.). The Power of Prayer. being a selection of Walker trust essays, with a study of the essays as a religious and theological document. The Macmillan Company. pp. 351–364. {{cite book}}: External link in |chapterurl= (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help) (Reviews the Long Obligatory Prayer among a review of Bahá'í prayers in general.)

Wiki-uk, what is your concern? --Smkolins (talk) 00:01, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]