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SCPH-79001

I have a PS2 SCPH-79001 and I don't see that model listed on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.83.45 (talk) 08:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

It's just the US version of the SCPH-79000 (version 16). Dozens of miscellaneous model numbers don't belong in the article. ButOnMethItIs (talk) 09:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

^ This. It might make more sense if you think of them as SCPH-7900x, where x is an area code. I personally have a SCPH-70003 and a SCPH-75003; the UK versions of the SCPH-70000 and SCPH-75000. Alphathon^TM (talk) 10:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

PS2 sales in Decline

Is this[1]link is enough evidence that the ps2 sales are in decline?! It says that the ps2 has sold 131,000 units in the USA (the most important market may I point out) during Febuary '09, infact ps2 sales are lower than both the psp and ps3, which are notorious for poor sales, surely this needs to be pointed out in this article, as the must be evidence that as of March 2009, ps2 sales are in decline. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 15:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

My questions are: 1) What's your point? 2) Where and how does this add to the article? --TreyGeek (talk) 15:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok I will answer you're questions, 1, my point is that this is obvious infomation that ps2 sales are in decline, and 2, It will add to the article by pointing out that as of Febuary '09, ps2 sales are in decline. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 20:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I HAVE UPDATED THE ARTICLE BY STATEING THAT PS2 SALES ARE IN DECLINE AND SOURCEING A LINE. MCJAKEQCOOL Mcjakeqcool (talk) 11:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

My edits revolveing around the subject of ps2 sales being in decline keep getting removed, dispite the fact that I have given a source in the article, and a expliantion of the sources in the article's talk page. What's wrong? mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 16:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I am going to go ahead and edit the article again, If someone edits it again, please give me you're answer on this talk page so we can discuss the reasons behind the edit. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 17:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Be sure to make it WP:NPOV and not have commentary in the edit. Otherwise, it will be reverted. --TreyGeek (talk) 17:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to encourage you to read over WP:CIT to learn how to properly cite sources for material that you add. --TreyGeek (talk) 17:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. The edit does apply to the wikipedia policy shown above. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 17:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

A couple notes on your edit. Again, review WP:CIT. Don't put in commentary and unsourced statements ("both notorious for poor sales ", "this is most likely due to next generation competition in the form of the ps3, Xbox 360 and Wii"). Also, it would be nice for it to be well written (capitalize words appropriately: PS3, XBox; avoid run-on sentences; etc). --TreyGeek (talk) 18:01, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Will postpone edit then. Though I must say it is a very relavent edit to this article, as it is a source to show that ps2 sales are in decline, something that in my opinion, and I am sure in many people's opinions, blanetly obvious. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 18:43, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that the source you are providing (though Blogs are not normally considered good sources on Wikipedia) says that the PS2 sold 131,000 units in February. It says nothing about trends in PS2 sales; whether in decline, steady, or rising, the information says nothing about PS2 sales over time or provide any context for PS2 sales. --TreyGeek (talk) 19:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The point that I was trying to make out was that the ps2 had the lowest sales of all consoles during Febuary 2009 and that would not have happened by magic, that the ps2 is a sixth generation console in a seventh generation era, that the ps2 has inferior technology to the ps3 and Xbox 360 and that the ps2 has lost it's dominant position during the sixth generation to the Wii in the seventh generation, so my theory as far as I'm concerned is that the ps2 is in decline sales wize, I also feel that it would be a important part of this article to state this out. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 13:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

If you want to add the mention of that sales of the PS2 are in decline, that's fine and is probably true. However, all statements in Wikipedia should be verifiable and cited. The article you are proposing does not discuss a decline in sales, it simply mentions sales for a single month. You cannot make extrapolations or assumptions based on that information for the purposes of a Wikipedia article. --TreyGeek (talk) 14:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I will try and find some reliable sources for that part of this article. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 10:46, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

SCPH-90001

In Sony's website, a new PS2 Design is revealed, with the model number SCPH-90001, that comes in black or silver. should we add it to the article?

It is probally a budget model made to sell of old stock as the ps2 is going to be discounied at the end of this year. Hence the reduction of RRP from $130s to $99s, I do not know of price cuts outside of the US though. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 16:59, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

No sources (so far) indicate its discontinuation. However the only thing different about this model is that there is no more power brick associated with the PS2, its AC is integrated into the hardware now and only an AC cord is neccesary to plug it in. JasonHockeyGuy (talk) 19:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Keep you're fingers crossed, and eyes peeleed, and some sources about the ps2's discounieation will pop up. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 16:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

• • By next year PS4 may come by so for sony it works best this way.

Everyone who wants to play PS1 and PS2 games better get the 90001 and everyone who wants to play the PS4 and PS3 games better get the PS4.

So, everyone who like Playstation in general will buy the 90001 as their last PS2 as no newer models of PS3 or PS4 will play either PS1 or PS2 games —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.99.169 (talk) 06:44, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk Page Archived

The page was growing too large, so I archived it. Any and all old discussions that need to be continued, please do so below. Thanks!  Dylanlip  (talk) 13:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Good article

May I point out that I am most satisfied with this article, particuly the fact that it points out that the ps2 has sold 136 million units, rather then the previously mistaken 140 million units. I congratulate this article! mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 17:46, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Just to let all ya wikipedians on this talk page know, I have just edited the ps2 article, I don't want to get in trouble for editing the article without anyone knowing, so If anyone's got any questions, just ask my on this talk page. Thankyou, mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 11:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

You broke the table. Please use the preview function next time. If you don't understand how the pipe syntax works, look it up. The resource is at Help:Table. Also, when I recommended that you not post anything without that didn't include a source, I meant anything. People can monitor the edit history. There is no need to post on the talk page about what you've done; others can see it for themselves. There is no need to post on the talk page about what you are going to do, such as search for a source. There is no need to tell others to ask questions on the talk page if they have any, because that should be a given. There is no need to mention those things. Dancter (talk) 14:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

But that way I will stop people mercylessy editing what I have edited. Also I need to use talk pages to clarify if my sources are relyiable or not. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 18:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if you've noticed, but that isn't really working. Dancter (talk) 19:32, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

No I have not noticed, I contibute to wikipedia to contribute to wikipedia, to correct infomation that people have missed and to add more depth and fact to current wikipedia articles. I am also of the

belith that if wikipedians are to edit what I or any wikipedians have edited in a article, that they should take it up in this or any talk page first. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 15:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Slimline

The ability to play DVD movies was an added incentive for consumers to be able to justify purchasing the PS2 slimline (the MSRP was US$300 in October 2004)[dubious – discuss].

The original release of the PS2 played all DVDs... the ability to play DVDs on the slimline is not an incentive... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.181.226.223 (talk) 01:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

PS2 phat required the DVD remote and included CD to play DVDs. –xeno^talk 22:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

No it didn't. The regular controller worked fine and the included disc was not needed.--208.53.225.71 (talk) 04:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

(A little late to the party here, but...) I think Xeno is thinking of the original Xbox, which required a special remote to play DVDs. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Final year for PS2

Are you sure is that 2010 is a final year for PS2? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.52.79.194 (talk) 15:09, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, as far as I know the only game coming out this year (2010) of any relevance is Sakura Taisen V. It has a few more titles set to come out this year, however, it looks like the PS2 will probably end it's life cycle this year. The writing is obviously on the wall. And I think it's for the best. Since this will finally force PS2 users to move up and buy themselves a PS3. Now that the PS3 is a lot cheaper and has a great library of games, there is no excuse not to get one. Plus you can play most PS2 games on the PS3. I think the PS2 needs to go down with dignity. And not simply fade into nothing with little fanfare. Sony needs to make it official by next years E3. Giving it a worldwide farewell party of sorts (Pikminister (talk) 19:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)).

Brazil launch

I'm not sure if it's worth noting, but the PS2 officially launched in Brazil on November 18, 2009, almost nine years after the original launch.

Source: [2] MightyJordan (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

"Most successful console to date"

I thought the GameCube is the most successful.--Kevin1gamer 00:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin1gamer (talk • contribs)

You best be trollin'. ButOnMethItIs (talk) 07:24, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Fake price

Someone wrote that starting April 1st, 2009 the PS2 would be retailing at the new price $99.99. The reference is a dead link. I'm amazing at such a shocking-price, and go to Japanese Wikipedia to find out the answer. All I have learned is: there's no such price. The PS2 is now retails at 16,000 yen ($173. See here and here). So I remove the paragraph from the article. If anyone can find a reliable source for this, you can reverse it. -- Livy the pixie (talk) 16:26, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

A simple Google search shows many places selling the PS2 for $99, in the United States. If you had done a Google search on the title of the cited source "Sony cuts price of older PlayStations to $100" you would have found many sources to verify the information. I've reverted your changes, I'll also add a new source to make you happy. --TreyGeek (talk) 17:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

• • It has been $99 at walmart for a year now and more keep showing up on the shelves. Bestbuy here in CA no longer has them featured. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.99.169 (talk) 06:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

No section on chipped / modded PS2s

The subject of PS2s that have been chipped / modded in order to be able to play pirated games is important and needs to be discussed in the article. Comet Tuttle (talk) 19:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Sources? — KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposition: new article - PlayStation 2 Accessories

Hi all, I have a proposal: an article dedicated the PS2 accessories, in a similar fasion to other such articles - PS3, Xbox 360, GameCube, Nintendo 64, Dreamcast. While on the topic, ones for Wii, Xbox, and maybe some older consoles would be good as well.

The main reason I propose this is so that accessories with little information about them and which aren't worthy of a whole article (things like the DVD remote or obscure japanese only add-ons or whatever)can at least have a proper mention on Wikipedia, and have a place to redirect to. Also, it would be good to collect together all accessory articles into one place (links I mean, not content).

I would be willing to set this up, but just wondered what everyones thoughts on this were.

Alphathon^TM (talk) 16:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.99.169 (talk) 06:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

If you could photograph some of them, that would certainly help. We definitely already have photos for Guitar Hero guitars (Guitar Hero 1 & 2, I don't know about 3) DVD remote, eye-toy, network adapter and multi-tap. If you d take some pics and want them cut out (background removed and made transparent) I would be happy to as long as they are licensed under a free license. I will make the page (eventually), but have limited knowledge of all the random accessories, so any info on any of those would be great to.

...I really need to get around to doing this at some point. Alphathon^TM (talk) 22:48, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Memory card sizes

Various vendors are selling memory cards larger than 8MB. I don't see anywhere in the article that mentions this. Do they actually work? Hackwrench (talk) 19:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I can't speak for all of them (obviously) but I own a 32MB Memory Card (Memor32) and it works fine Alphathon^TM (talk) 19:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

For the most part they work. The larger ones (64MB) in my experience can't be used for booting and are therefore defective/non-compliant. Sony cards are 8MB and 8MB only. A lot of games even say something like "saving to Sony™ 8MB Memory Card™" so that's probably what the article should reflect. ButOnMethItIs (talk) 01:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I think they should be mentioned, as I've seen quite a few non-Sony memory cards at retailers. Something along the line of 'There are a variety of non-Sony manufactured memory cards available for the PlayStation 2 allowing for a larger memory capacity than the standard 8MB, however their compatibility is disputed.' or something similar. Forenti^talk 08:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I'd probably go with ". However their use is unsupported and compatibility not guaranteed" rather than ", however their compatibility is disputed." (I get what you mean, but it doesn't make sense gramatically) Alphathon^TM (talk) 08:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that's exactly what I meant, I just couldn't think of the words at the time. Shall we wait for further approval or just put it in? Forenti^talk 09:12, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Honestly I think it's a small enough but relevent detail that we can just go ahead and do it. If anyone objects, it can always be undone...so  Done Alphathon^TM (talk) 13:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.99.169 (talk) 06:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

This is all very interesting, but what's your point? If you want to add that to the article, then no - this is an article about the PS2, not PS2 homebrew, so to list all these emulators is ludicrous. Besides, there isn't a list of all the PS2 games within the article, so there definitely shouldn't be one for emulators. Alphathon^TM (talk) 08:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Homebrew Development is content #7 on the PS2 page on wikipedia and it lists less than the accurate number! please let me know if deleting it is better for this page and I will delete it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.99.169 (talk) 21:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I see your point. What I would suggest is that either a new page is created about "Video Game System Emulators on PS2" or it be added to this article or this article, or both. It should not be deleted, but it also shouldn't be included in this article, if you see what I mean (the info is good, but this isn't the place for a long exhaustive list). Should be something more like "Using such homebrew programs the PS2 can emulate many other video game systems, including: ..." Alphathon^TM (talk) 23:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Links to competing consoles

An unregistered IP (99.19.95.52) keeps changing the links from "Nintendo's GameCube" to "Nintendo GameCube". I think his/her reasoning is that the GameCube article is named "Nintendo GameCube". However, it's other competitors are listed as "Sega's Dreamcast" and "Microsoft's Xbox", which link to both the manufacturer and console (hence using "Nintendo GameCube|GameCube" to link the the GameCube article). I feel that either the link to the GameCube should be "GameCube" with no mention of Nintendo (i.e. "Nintendo GameCube|GameCube"), should be "Nintendo GameCube" with the other links labled as "Sega Dreamcast" but as a single link to the Dreamcast article (i.e. "Dreamcast|Sega Dreamcast", "Xbox|Microsoft Xbox" & "Nintendo GameCube"), or both manufacturer and console should be linked (as it is at the moment). I honestly don't mind which (I'm after consistancy and fairness really) but I think overall the 3rd option (link to manufacturer and console) is best. Alphathon^TM (talk) 09:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

RoHS & expected lifespan

Thanks to the RoHS movement lead solder has been banned. This remains a political hot potato though most consumers tend to remain unaware or are blissfully ignoring the significance of the implications. Does anyone know when RoHS started appearing in the PS2? Wild guess might suggest 2004 or 2005- but honestly I lack specific knowledge of the time frame.

Lifespan of devices assembled using lead free solder should be expected to be much shorter than those assembled with lead alloy solder. Most say 5 to 10 years, 7 being a commonly cited median. The reason is the tin whisker phenomenon. Its existence is absolute fact despite the ignorant attempts of a few self proclaimed experts that the significance is minor. Not hardly! Reality can be ignore for only so long. I wonder how many worthless PS2's well see flooding eBay or being cried about on the gaming forums as they all start dying? Time is about right for this to start happening. And ironically some of the older ones will keep on chugging away for many more years.

If anyone can find the time frame Sony switched over to RoHS solder please post in the main article! Listing by model version would be very helpful.I suggest that this will prove to be the next significant chapter in the PS2's history; indeed for most consumer electronics. This was a debacle IMHO- an entirely avoidable one. Recycling would have been a vastly more intelligent & effective strategy. Plus lead doesn't tend to leach nearly as fast as has been assumed; the oxide of lead forms on exterior surfaces of exposed lead- and the oxide provides a relatively insoluble protective barrier. This is why one can still occasionally find old bullets from battles which happened 150 or more years ago. 69.225.36.13 (talk) 16:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

PS2 Slim

I noticed that there is nothing said about the PS2 Slim not reading disks as well as the older models. This should be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dustinallen2797 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Details please. Alphathon^TM (talk) 10:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Model comparison table for the PS2

Hey folks,

Can we create a model comparison table for the PlayStation 2 that looks like this? -- PK2 (talk) 21:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Table removed for ease of editing and to avoid issues with refs. For the table in question see PlayStation 3#Model comparison Alphathon^TM (talk) 21:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

We could, but I don't really see the point. There would be very little to go into the table that couldn't be better represented as part of the prose. Alphathon^TM (talk) 21:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

For example, all the fat PS2 models and slim models or is there no point? -- PK2 (talk) 09:21, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, for that example, it is just as clear that there are fat and slim models from the fact that each has a section of its own, so a table wouldn't make this any clearer. There are very few major differences between the various different model numbers and pretty much all of those that would be relevant are due to the differences between fat and slim. The only way I could see it being useful is if it went really in depth into things such as manufacturing process, power usage, specific chips used etc, which would be better suited to its own article anyway (similar to this article for the Xbox 360). Alphathon^TM (talk) 09:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Also, model numbers (SCPH-10000 etc.) for each could be put in a collapsible list in their respective section. Alphathon^TM (talk) 09:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay. -- PK2 (talk) 22:35, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Integrated PS2 in Sony KDL-22PX300

Sony's recently (Dec 2010) released a 22-inch BRAVIA with a PS2 integrated into it. It should be listed as a model variant. sale site here

It seems to be a UK only model. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.206.34 (talk) 22:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I've been meaning to add that myself for a while now, but I'm not quite sure how. Beyond "It's a TV with an integrated PS2" I haven't hear much, so I'm not really sure what to say about it beyond that. Alphathon™ (talk) 22:54, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

SCPH-9000x in PAL Region

Was the SCPH-9000x model of the PlayStation 2 slim released in Australasia and Europe or was it just released in North America and Japan? -- PK2 (talk) 20:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

If memory serves, I think it was released in mainland Europe (i.e. not the UK or Eire… possibly other places too). Not a clue about Aus. Alphathon™ (talk) 21:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

It was actually released in all regions... certainly Australia/New Zealand as the SCPH-90002, and the UK and the Republic of Ireland as the SCPH-90003. 86.183.201.133 (talk) 22:06, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:PlayStation 2/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 00:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: found and fixed one.[3]. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Linkrot: none found. 00:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   This article contains a large number of citation needed tags, some dating back over 3 years. I am quick-failing it on that alone.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Quick fail on WP:GACR #2. Please make sure that articles measure up against the criteria before nominating. If you need help with that, try the releavnt project or a WP:Peer review. Fail GA nomination. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:16, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Hardware revisions as versions (V#)

Exactly how much space should be devoted to what is essentially something invented by modchip vendors? This information is poorly sourced, and will probably remain so forever, and I don't see how its inclusion in the article is necessary. ButOnMethItIs (talk)

The article also completely skips over the fat "+" models (aka V9/V10/V11 or SCPH-5000x) which actually had changes that was advertised and noticable by end users (quieter fan, officially supports DVD movies on "+RW" discs, built in IR eye, i400 removed). It also says "expansion bay of current PS2 models" while the expansion bay was actually removed in V12 (7000x) and later. 83.233.143.154 (talk) 18:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Ps2 and internet

my son seems to think that ps2 can b played somehow with the internet,we got it hooked up but see no difference.I s there some way to get this to work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.239.82 (talk) 22:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes it is possible, but only on a limited number of games, a list of which can be found under list of PlayStation 2 network games. Also, many of them will no longer work as the servers have been shut down long ago.

Also, please bear in mind that talk pages are not forums for discussing the subject of their associated article - they are for discussing changes to be made to the article itself (i.e. this page is for discussing possible additions or changes to the article, not the PS2 itself).

Alphathon /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 02:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Articles for online features

Hey everyone! Recently on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games, we've been talking about how to write about the PlayStation 2's online functionality. Originally one user started using the term "Network Play," but I haven't found any sources to corroborate that usage. So, I moved the respective page to PlayStation 2 online functionality and the respective list to list of PlayStation 2 online games. We're not sure how much of this, exactly, we should retain though. The potential problem with PlayStation 2 online functionality is that it overlaps heavily with PlayStation 2 Network Adaptor. So we're wondering if we should merge the pages? Keep both? Or some other solution. Please share your thoughts. CaseyPenk (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

PS9 redirect to Photoshop

The Adobe Photoshop page header says "PS9" also redirects here. For the joke ad, see PlayStation 2. However, no mention of a joke ad for the PS2 is in the article. Just wondering whether editors of this page think it would be better to possibly place a mention of the ad in this article, or remove the header from the Photoshop artice. Fieari (talk) 18:08, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Homebrew Development Section

I am glad there is a homebrew section in this article, and most of the information in it seems accurate, even if not completely sourced. This is all good/relevant information, so if anyone can further source the material, that would be great for the article.

There is one sentence that I believe to be misleading regarding Free McBoot: "Copying from one memory card to another will not work." I don't know if one can simply "copy" the files from one card to the other, but it is definitely possible to use one card to run the Free McBoot installer and install it on another card. I have done so, and it is documented as the third FAQ here: http://freemcboot.info/ps2%20ohje/17e.html 108.202.196.48 (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Fan noise

In the article it is stated that the slimline models are quieter than the "fat" models. However, not all the "fat" models suffer from excessive fan noise - the later ones before the slimline model came out (2003-2004) actually run really quiet, and there is a delay of a few seconds before the fan kicks in after powering up the unit. --194.83.82.3 (talk) 13:52, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Sales

Given the recent reports of Nintendo DS sales passing PS2 sales, I checked the sales listed on this article and found that the 155.1 million figure formerly listed in this article did not seem to be reliably cited. One instance was cited to [4] which doesn't seem to have any unit sales at all, and the other to the sum of [5] and [6], which is problematic since the former counts shipments and the latter counts sales so units shipped before the change and sold after would be counted twice (see Talk:List of best-selling game consoles#Company Sales vs Shipped debate for more on that).

Until someone can come up with a more recent reliable source, I've changed it to 153.6 million based on [7]. Anomie⚔ 23:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, getting exactly 155.1 is more math and sourcing than I'm willing to do so I just combined a Q1 2009 figure[8] and added everything after that from [9]. « Ryūkotsusei » 17:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

This wouldn't matter if it weren't so close to the DS in sales, or if this weren't relevant to the current hardware debate, but I'm also having issues finding a single source reporting the 155.1 number. I'm not sure why the revision changing it to 153.6 was rolled back.Eric.yarham (talk) 17:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Not only that, but the source listed for the "155 million" in the article is from a site from a Sony press report that says "150 million". It's clearly the fans pushing it to 155, but unfortunately, with articles on Wikipedia being used as references by news reports and such, there is no validity in 155. Only the numbers reported by Sony, which at last was 153 million. Here's a link to a Time article who used Wikipedia as THEIR source: http://techland.time.com/2014/02/24/outselling-the-playstation-2-isnt-a-pipe-dream/ 2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:6D01:A1B8:7E6C:9DDD (talk) 04:04, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Why are all these titles in the link incorrectly quoting 155, but when you click on them, they all say 150 million? Someone has been changing the title to say 155 when the source link itself only says 150!2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:4C48:7877:E27F:7D36 (talk) 22:47, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Discontinued

Hi all, The PS2 console was discontinued in 2013, according to this source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jan/04/playstation-2-manufacture-ends-years I will change the opening sentence of the article to: The PlayStation 2 was a video game console manufactured by Sony Computer Entertainment as part of the PlayStation series. Thanks! Zalunardo8 (talk) 14:05, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

It still is a console whether it is still manufactured or not - you put the was in the wrong place. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 18:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

(Just to clarify, it should be The PlayStation 2 is a video game console which was manufactured by Sony Computer Entertainment as part of the PlayStation series.) Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 18:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

In the US, I have the first PS2 model released - first day release.

It is a very old PS2, bought for $300.00. It still works, although I haven't used it in years. I remember there being a DVD add on upgrade firmware update, but I don't see it in the article. SCPH-30001 U0539322 (it means my console was the 539322 console produced - pretty special) --Pretty les♀, Dark Mistress, talk, 04:47, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

File:PS2-Versions.jpg to appear as POTD

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Picture of the day

Two versions of the PlayStation 2, a home video game console produced by Sony and the most successful console of the sixth generation. The original model (left), known informally as the "fat" model, was released in 2000 and included a docking bay for an internal hard disk drive. The "slimline" version (right) was released in 2004; it did not include the docking bay or an internal power supply, but was smaller, lighter, and quieter, and included an Ethernet port.Photograph: Evan Amos

170 million sold?

While I don't claim to know with certainty where the truth lies on this matter, it certainly would not surprise me if that is the final figure. We know that 155 million is an undercount, and Pachter is a reliable source. While it was dismissed as an aberration at the time, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe CEO Jim Ryan stated in May 2013 that 170 million PS2 units had been "produced".TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 16:58, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Are there no financial reports covering the unit numbers? I know we just did this exercise at Dreamcast... ;) -- ferret (talk) 17:14, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Not for the final number.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2015 (UTC)