Talk:Virtual human

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Virtual humans: representations or agents

I'm not sure if virtual humans are defined by the integrated sensory outputs of multiple computer programs, or as the programs themselves. Wesxdz (talk) 23:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. It was noted that singular titles are generally preferred, an implicit reference to WP:SINGULAR. The DAB is moved to Virtual human (disambiguation), the only title to have been proposed in the discussion and one which multiple users recommended. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Virtual humans → Virtual human
Virtual human → ?

– Remove disambiguation in order to replace with primary topic Wesxdz (talk) 21:24, 24 August 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Polyamorph (talk) 10:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. estar8806 (talk) ★ 13:46, 1 September 2023 (UTC) Content copied from WP:RM/TR:[reply]

What do you want done with the existing disambiguation content? Polyamorph (talk) 21:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Existing disambiguation content is either a dataset related to a specific virtual human domain, or a subset of possible virtual humans. I think it should be removed entirely or integrated into the existing Virtual Humans page either under applications, R&D, or a new 'datasets' category. The 'VHs' titles should be refactored to refer more specifically to a non proper noun topic rather than the research field. Wesxdz (talk) 22:23, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That page frankly feels like WP:SYNTH of content that either belongs in Avatar (computing) or Virtual actor. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:14, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zxcvbnm I don't think the virtual actor page is a good place for this topic to land as the content of the article specializes in virtual humans used for media entertainment after the first sentence. In terms of original research, well virtual humans is certainly an emerging/evolving idea I have expertise in and am trying to update the encyclopedia to reflect Wesxdz (talk) 13:33, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zxcvbnm Virtual humans can be avatars, but avatars are not necessarily virtual humans: as they may be more abstract and would not have autonomy Wesxdz (talk) 13:40, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At least in my view, I'm having trouble seeing how this is a distinct concept from embodied agent. "Virtual human" can easily be confused with the idea of mind uploading, even if that is still in the realm of sci-fi, as you would be sending a human into the virtual realm. I'll let actual experts weigh in, but ultimately I think it's unclear it passes WP:GNG as a totally unique concept. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zxcvbnm First, I will say that I did not create this article, I am trying to remove the disambiguation page for greater clarity and convenience. The concept of embodied agents is likely the most similar page... however I think that a virtual human could also be considered a purely static data representation in some contexts such as a film. I think that a whole brain emulation could be a cognitive component of a future virtual human, but the idea would imply integration with other software; for example to simulate a virtual body or social environment. Overall, many research papers and significant projects on embodied agents and avatars are grounded in anthropocentric psychology, perspective, and challenges. Therefore, I believe the notability criterion is met. Wesxdz (talk) 14:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have added "Virtual human → ?" to the request in order for the RMCD bot to properly list this discussion and place a notice at Virtual human. If you want to integrate the existing content elsewhere, I would suggest → Virtual human (disambiguation). SilverLocust 💬 00:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support and move the disambiguation page to Virtual human (disambiguation) - articles are normally titled in singular and there's no good reason for the singular to not have a primary topic when the plural does. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:12, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Taxonomy of virtual species

Given that virtual humans might be considered at some point this decade as a artificial general intelligence, it may be worth early preparations for how to approach the taxonomy of non-biological self-replicating entities (including posthumans) in the spirit of Yuval Noah Harari's Homo Deus Wesxdz (talk) 22:32, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]