User talk:Clarkcj12/Archive 32
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Help for improvement this article. Thank you!Haiyenslna (talk) 05:09, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Edit out
Hello Clarkcj12,
I'm just wondering why my edit of Charlie Puth's Wikipedia page was "not good enough." If you respond, please respond on my talk page. Also, I'm new to Wikipedia, can you help me out on what to do and ,if it's possible, can we edit a page together on Wikipedia so you can help me out on what to do and what not to do. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgregoryyoung (talk • contribs) 20:21, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Williamgregoryyoung: Hi, thanks for taking the effort to reach out to me. The reason why I did revert your edit is because you did remove massive amounts of citations. On Wikipedia, we rely on using compare to these diffs [1], on the right is before your edit, and on the left is your edit. I believe it was accident that you made by accidently removing the references. But when you edit articles you should try to leave references in, as it helps verify the article, and the contents, especially, when it is a WP:BLP article basically BLP means Biography of a Living Person. Also when you add content you should always try to back up your claims by using references for the new material you put in, especially on a BLP article. You can see/read about references at WP:REF. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 21:03, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
- Also don't forget to sign your messages that you leave on talk pages by using the ~~~~ as that will sign your messages, so we know who left them. Also to answer your question sure I don't mind showing you the ropes of how to edit Wikipedia. If you ever have any questions feel free to send me a message back. Clarkcj12 (talk) 21:05, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Draft:Saralwebs page
Hi, i created a page for Saralweb, but was rejected with the reply," mere mention is not enough". The citations i made had newspaper articles dedicated to the relevant topic. If you could please guide me towards clarity, i will be thankful.
Waiting for the response,
Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djohn951 (talk • contribs) 06:42, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Djohn951: -- I understand you have done good on providing, references, but the next step to reformat the article, as right now the way it read is is like an WP:ADVERT, the best way to fix that problem, is to take the tone of the article from a Neutral point of view. Here on Wikipedia, we want every articles view point from a neutral point of view. The main reason why it sounds like an WP:ADVERT is because mainly the article is talking about that companies products. Its okay to mention them, but not focus on them, if their product is well enough notable and has sufficient information on them then they can be created as separate articles. The best way to focus less on the product and more on the company. Such as including more about their history, their background while not trying to sell the company as a product of service. It can be hard trust me, I would also recommending on brushing up on our WP:CORP, and also brushing up on your references which you can read WP:REF. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 06:51, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Speedy deletion contested: Shakta Rash
Hello Clarkcj12. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Shakta Rash, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: is one of the most celebrated festival
passes A7.Bengali sources on the subject are available. Thank you. Winged BladesGodric 16:17, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
One-click archiving ANI threads
Hi Clarkcj12, thanks for helping clear ANI of closed threads. Please remember however that closed threads should not be one-clicked archived until at least 24 hours after the close. (This allows all interested editors enough time to view the close, no matter what their time zone, work schedule, sleep schedule, or login schedule is.) To accurate gauge whether at least 24 hours has passed since the close, Google utc time, and subtract one day from that (remembering to add 12:00 for PM times), and don't archive any threads closed after that time. Thanks very much, Softlavender (talk) 20:33, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Softlavender: Sorry about that, I knew that the bot was 36 hours if I am not mistaken. I tried finding out what the time limit for manual archive was, but couldn't find it. Thank you for letting me know I will make sure that doesn't happen again. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 04:43, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
New page reviewer granted
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Thankyou for the welcome
But i already have an account, this is my new account. regards Asianhopeee (talk) 04:02, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Asianhopeee: Welcome, if there is anything I can help you with just let me know. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 04:03, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar | |
thanks Asianhopeee (talk) 04:31, 29 December 2017 (UTC) |
The article too long and spam, There are two information mentioned in the sections on the article, and I have filtered it per WP:MOS, am I made a mistake ? please help filtered the artcicle per WP:MOS. Thankyou. Asianhopeee (talk) 04:24, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Asianhopeee: While yes it may not comply totally with WP:MOS, I have reverted the edit for now. But I would recommend if your edits are going to remove a big section of the article is to open for a WP:RFC, and let the community decide whether it should still be included or not. As some editors can see as "blanking" a massive section of the article as vandalism. Especially when there hasn't been a agreement among editors that it should be merged or included. As some of it probably could be split from the article to make new one. Until then I would recommend opening a WP:RfC to get a community discussion to see what the community thinks. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 04:36, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- okay, Can you help entering the article to WP:RfC to get a community discussion. thanks Asianhopeee (talk) 04:44, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Asianhopeee: I have since added the article to WP:RFC rfc disccussion would be here feel free to leave comments, I would also recommend going through WP:The Wikipedia Adventure as it will help you familiarize yourself with our policy and editing styles. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 04:55, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- okay and thankyou. but what if no one commented in the discuss? , regards! Asianhopeee (talk) 07:15, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Speedy deletion of Walk Between Worlds (album) declined
Please note that the criterion you used to nominate this article reads This applies to any article about a musical recording or list of musical recordings where none of the contributing recording artists has an article and that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant (both conditions must be met). (emphasis added). While the name of the band was not as yet linked when you nominated it, you clearly did not check to see if they were notable, which they most certainly are. Please be more careful in the future. Thanks, Beeblebrox (talk) 23:13, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Made a mistake... sorry
The official name is Vinyard Indian Settlement and not Vineyard Indian Settlement. I am aware that vineyard is the proper spelling but this name comes from the vinyard family whose name is spelled this way.
I am unsure how to delete an article but if you can do this please do so. Sunshine Warrior04 (talk) 03:04, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Sunshine Warrior04: I requested a deletion of the your correct page to move the older page to the new site as the older one is more recently updated. But also I would recommend adding a few more inline citations as per WP:REF, a few good sources you can use are from newspapers, news articles and such. Or even if they are mentioned in books that too. As right now with lack of references besides their homepage, does not really show how notable it is see WP:NOTE, which could actually lead to having your article deleted under that reason. I know you have been hear for 6 years but it looks like you recently started to edit again. I would encourage you to read over Manual of Style, and try our new program WP:The Wikipedia Adventure as that adventure can help you learn more about our policy's and help you write better articles. Another resource I do recommend is that you should checkout our WP:Tea house where a lot of experienced editors are happy to give advice to make articles even better, and guide you through the policy's as I am sure they can be found confusing. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 04:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
New Years new page backlog drive
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Natalie Draper
Hello and thank you for reviewing Natalie Draper. You may find that around the same time, another editor felt that a Notability tag needed to go up. However, I may have moved it into main space just a few minutes too soon and had made a number of edits including better sourcing even as all of this was taking place. Some discussion has taken place between myself and the editor on the talk page and he is amenable to removal at this point.
However, he is asking for at least someone else to stop by and weigh in. I am still relatively new and do not want to risk breaking rules, but I also believe that the article’s sourcing is now above average for similar contemporary classical music articles in terms of quality, quantity, and content depth, so I have avoided attempting to pull the tag without express permission (or just another editor doing so).
He made some good points, which I have endeavored to address.
Would you be willing to stop by again and help resolve?
Also, if you have any tips for newer Wikipedians, I’m all ears. Thank you, and thanks especially for editing in the classical space, something that is much needed!
Mariefrance (talk) 17:56, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Mariefrance: - Thanks for letting me know I left you a comment on the articles page. I would recommend you looking at WP:The Wikipedia Adventure as that will help you become more familiar with editing Wikipedia, while learning about some of our policy's. I would also recommend looking at the WP:Tea house where new users can ask questions and get answers from long time editors of Wikipedia. Also another piece of advice is to just leave me a message on my talk page, and I will try to answer any questions you might have as I am happy to guide you on the right path here. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 18:28, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
You are still one-click archiving ANI threads too soon
Hi Clarkcj12. As I mentioned three weeks ago, it's very important for closed ANI threads to stay visible on the noticeboard for at least 24 hours. Wikipedia editors live all around the world, in various times zones, and also have various sleep schedules, work schedules, and log-in schedules. The only fair way to allow for all interested parties to view the results of a closed ANI thread is for it to remain visible on ANI for 24 hours at the very least. So please ensure that you do not one-click archive threads before that 4-hour threshold.
The best way to avoid that is to Google utc time, and subtract one day from that (remembering to add 12:00 for PM times), and don't archive any threads closed after that time. If this is too complicated for you, or too much trouble for you, then please simply leave the board as is. Thank you, Softlavender (talk) 12:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hey @Softlavender: thanks for reaching out to me, but I bet if you check the timestamps of when the ANI threads where closed I archived them ~3 days after they closed. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 17:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- I did check the timestamps, and you have been closing within less than 24 hours. (Diffs provided upon request.) Please be sure to Google utc time, and subtract one day from that (remembering to add 12:00 for PM times), and don't archive any threads closed after that time. Thanks again, Softlavender (talk) 00:01, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Editing our Wikipedia page
Hello,
I would like to edit our entire Wikipedia page as it is no longer up to date. I attempted editing, but it was not allowed. I cannot find how to do this. Can you please help me or give me a contact who can help me?
The page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos_(Australian_magazine)
I am writing from the magazine, the publisher has given me instruction to update the page.
Thank you, Laetitia Mihailovic Client Relations Manager Cosmos Magazine laetitia@cosmosmagazine.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.127.118.90 (talk) 04:46, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Bureaucrats on Wikimedia wikis where the Translate extension is installed can now add and remove the translation administrator permission by default. Administrators of wikis where this extension is enabled can add and remove this permission to or from themselves. Wikis that used a different configuration before have not changed. [2]
- There is a new Discourse test support channel for Wikimedia developers. You can ask questions or answer others questions about MediaWiki and Wikimedia software development. [3]
Problems
- Last week's MediaWiki update was rolled back. This was because of a bug that changed non-ASCII characters when a page was edited. [4][5]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 January. It will be on all wikis from 18 January (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 16 January at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 17 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- A few hundred wikis with less than ten high-priority errors in Linter categories will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 31 January. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [6][7]
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18:46, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
important question
plz let me know how to create a new wikipedia page . i want to make a page of a nominated politician. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FARZI (talk • contribs) 06:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hi @FARZI:, I actually just left a reply on your talk page.. But basically here is what I said. I would recommend you go through the WP:TWA which will help you learn the ropes of making articles and referencing. Which can help you greatly. I would also suggest that when making an article, you should add in some citations see WP:REFBEG to learn about referencing for beginners and WP:REF to learn about referencing in a bit more detail. Also I would recommend reading over the Notability policy as not every person needs a page, to help an article to surpass the WP:NOTE policy an article should have references which can be from news sources (ie; news papers, news sites like cnn, or local news sites), books, journals (ie; journals that are nationally recognized for the field that they are in. I would also recommend checking out WP:Teahouse as there you can receive feedback and also tips on creating new articles, and editing Wikipedia in general. If you ever have any questions feel free to leave me a message here, or on my talk page. If you leave a reply here, you can do {{Ping|Clarkcj}} that will let me know you need me. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 06:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Also please note that just they have been nominated politician does not mean they are inherently notable. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 06:54, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
New Article : Julie L. Green
Dear Clarkcj12,
Thank you for reviewing my recent article, Julie L. Green. I have addressed your recommended improvements regarding links to other Wikipedia articles.
Please kindly review this page again for resolution.
Thank you for your help.
My best,
kaitlynck KaitlynCK (talk) 05:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Filters on Special:RecentChangesLinked will get the new look similar to on the recent changes page. Special:RecentChangesLinked will also get some new features. [8][9]
Problems
- With the new OOUI look menus and popups can open upwards instead of downwards. This was meant to make long dropdown menus easier to use. Sometimes these menus have been overlapped by other things. This is now fixed. [10]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 24 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
irc.wikimedia.org
will be rebooted on 22 February. Some bots use this to get the recent changes feed. They need to be able to reconnect automatically or they will not work until they have been fixed. Most bots can reconnect automatically. [11]
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23:56, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #296
- Discussions
- Closed request for adminship: Mahir256 (as successful)
- Events/Press/Blogs
- Getting data from Wikidata into WordPress custom taxonomy
- PIDapalooza - Girona, 23-24 January,with a session on PIDs in Wikidata by Andy Mabbett
- The EuropeanaTech Call for Proposals is open till February 7. Themes are Data, Discovery, Delivery. The conference will take place in Rotterdam, NL, May 15-16, 2018.
- Call for papers for Celtic Knot conference is open
- Other Noteworthy Stuff
- Nominations for the Steward elections are open
- Grant proposal for GlobalFactSync
- repology is a nice new project about software packages with the help of Wikidata. They have a list of potentially outdated packages on Wikidata that might need updating or fixing.
- Painters gives you a list of paintings that don't have a creator statement but "painting by" in the description
- Big City Lights: where are the cities whose items are most used across the Wikimedia projects?
- Did you know?
- Newest properties:
- General datatypes: Commons compatible image available at URL, is a hydrated form of, biological phase, lot number, MAC Address Block Large ID, has boundary
- External identifiers: SRCBB coach ID, Manus Online ID, Ecocrop ID, Harvard botanical journal ID, UK railway station code, V Live channel ID, Songwriters Hall of Fame ID, MONA ID, Luminous-Lint ID, LTI Korea Library ID, Images d'Art artwork ID, Common Database on Designated Areas ID, crates.io ID, Arcade artwork ID, Australian honours ID, cinematografo company ID, cinematografo name ID, GameRankings game ID, compArt institution ID, compArt person ID, MobyGames company ID, USA Rugby player ID, MYmovies actor ID, MYmovies movie ID, MYmovies director ID, Movieplayer characters ID, Movieplayer film ID, Movieplayer TV-series ID, MYmovies name ID
- Query examples:
- Map of nuclear tests (source)
- Languages with more than one writing system (source)
- Subclasses of malware (source)
- Male actors who starred in a trilogy of movies when they were in their 20s and then no fewer than 40 years later played the same character again(source - see whole thread for more)
- Bands from the UK whose member's average age is at least 70 (source)
- Disney movie narrative locations (source)
- Newest properties:
- Development
- Worked on persistent editing of grammatical features of a lexeme’s form (phab:T173742)
- Made diffs for statements, grammatical features and representations of a form work (phab:T182424)
- Turned off access to lexicographical data from the clients for now (phab:T178904)
- Started logging warning on pages that use too many items (phab:T184319)
- Added support for relation instance or subclass of in the constraint checks (phab:T169858)
- Now also checking single value and multi value constraints on qualifiers and references (phab:T175566)
- Now also checking difference within range constraints on qualifiers and references (phab:T175565)
- Fixed a bug with duplicate items in “distinct values” violation message in the constraint checks gadget (phab:T184705)
- Monthly Tasks
- Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
- Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
- Suggested and open tasks!
- Contribute to a Showcase item.
- Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
- Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
- Help write the next summary!
Wikidata weekly summary #297
- Discussions
- Closed request for comments: Defining account creators
- Events/Press/Blogs
- Upcoming: IRC office hour on the channel #wikimedia-office, January 30th, at 18:00 (UTC+1). Special topic: how to address the growth of Wikidata
- Upcoming: Wikidata hackathon in London, February 3rd
- Past: PIDapalooza 2018 - Slides on FigShare
- Mapping Wikidata to Bibframe (representation of books)
- Other Noteworthy Stuff
- Breaking change: wbcheckconstraints status parameter
- Wikidata-driven infoboxes, with multilingual labels, are now available on Wikimedia Commons category pages
- Wikidata vandalism dashboard for Wikipedians
- Grant proposals looking for review: WikidataJS, GlobalFactSync
- Did you know?
- Newest properties:
- General datatypes: none
- External identifiers: cinematografo film ID, CiNii author ID (articles)
- Query examples:
- Newest WikiProjects:
- Newest gadgets: Mix'n'Match gadget: loads all Mix’m’match entries about an item, shows descriptions, lets you drag’n’drop entries as references
- Newest properties:
- Newest database reports: tennis federations, Davis Cup and Fed Cup teams
- Showcase items:
- Development
- Constraint violations can now be checked on qualifiers and references (phab:T168532)
- Implemented usage tracking deduplication to reduce database load (phab:T178079). This should not have any effect on what users see on recent changes and watchlists.
- Redirects on client wikis that are connected to a Wikidata item can have a tracking category, if set up (phab:T185743). Thanks, Matěj!
- Improved documentation of the
pageterms
query module (gerrit:406240). Thanks, Niedzielski! - Improved empty "content was:" in deletion logs for entities (phab:T184025)
- Fixed links to external user pages in recent changes (phab:T183019)
- Fixed user names beginning with a star sometimes being rendered as a list (phab:T182800)
- Fixed constraint check results possibly showing up in the wrong language (phab:T185688)
- Fixed ArticlePlaceholders possibly not showing up in search results (gerrit:406168)
- Some of the developers attended to the Wikimedia Developer Summit 2018. You can find some notes on the Phabricator board
You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.
- Monthly Tasks
- Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
- Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
- Suggested and open tasks!
- Contribute to a Showcase item.
- Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
- Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
- Help write the next summary!
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 31 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Wikimedia Foundation is working on how to get less unmaintained code on Wikimedia wikis. This could be by finding maintainers or removing unmaintained features. They are now looking for feedback on what do do with AbuseFilter, the IRC RecentChanges feed, the RelatedSites extension and TimedMediaHandler. You can leave feedback on the linked talk pages. [12]
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17:07, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
NPP Backlog Drive Appreciation
Thank You | ||
Thank you for reviewing articles during the 2018 NPP New Year Backlog Drive. Always more to do, but thanks for participating. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 05:16, 31 January 2018 (UTC) |
Administrators' newsletter – February 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2018).
- None
- Blurpeace • Dana boomer • Deltabeignet • Denelson83 • Grandiose • Salvidrim! • Ymblanter
- An RfC has closed with a consensus that candidates at WP:RFA must disclose whether they have ever edited for pay and that administrators may never use administrative tools as part of any paid editing activity, except when they are acting as a Wikipedian-in-Residence or when the payment is made by the Wikimedia Foundation or an affiliate of the WMF.
- Editors responding to threats of harm can now contact the Wikimedia Foundation's emergency address by using Special:EmailUser/Emergency. If you don't have email enabled on Wikipedia, directly contacting the emergency address using your own email client remains an option.
- A tag will now be automatically applied to edits that blank a page, turn a page into a redirect, remove/replace almost all content in a page, undo an edit, or rollback an edit. These edits were previously denoted solely by automatic edit summaries.
- The Arbitration Committee has enacted a change to the discretionary sanctions procedure which requires administrators to add a standardized editnotice when placing page restrictions. Editors cannot be sanctioned for violations of page restrictions if this editnotice was not in place at the time of the violation.
Please comment on Talk:Abkhazia
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Abkhazia. Legobot (talk) 04:24, 4 February 2018 (UTC)