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Darby Creek (Pennsylvania)

Hi Jakec. I have noticed your contributions to Pennsylvania stream articles. I was wondering if you wanted to work with me to bring Darby Creek to GA status. Thanks! ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 15:51, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

@Editorofthewiki: You're off to a solid start. I've jumped in and expanded it some, and rewritten a couple of sections. IMO the things that should be done before this goes to GAN are as follows:

• • Rewrite the lead; following the expansion, it's no longer really summarizing the article. I'll take care of that tomorrow.
  • Optionally, replace {{geobox}} with {{infobox river}}. Just personal preference on my part, but the current infobox is missing a few parameters and I haven't worked with the geobox before.
  • I don't think a citation is needed for every page in every source; just for every source.
  • I've got a hunch that this and this have some information that's still not in the article. If you're really into hydrology, check out this as well.

It should be good for GA after that. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 23:58, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

• Nice work so far! I removed the one paragraph because I didn't think it was that important and it interrupted the chronological order of the history. Also, nobody calls the creek Church Creek or Derby River. Perhaps that was a historical thing? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 17:37, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

The GNIS is important information that is in dozens (probably hundreds) of other PA stream articles (where it also goes at the top of the history section). The information about Church Creek and Derby River is reliably sourced to none other than the GNIS itself. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 16:54, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Literally every map of Darby Creek that I have seen (and I've looked at ones dating to 1867) has it as Darby Creek, not the other variants. Perhaps the GNIS made a mistake? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 17:37, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

[1] calls Church Creek a synonym of Darby Creek and [2] describes a "Derby-river" near Radnor Township. I've never seen the GNIS make a mistake, as far as I can recall. Any progress on checking through those other two sources? --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 01:46, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

• • okay, Im fine if it is mentioned as a historical footnote, but not a common alternative version. It must have been called church creek prior to 1867. What other two sources are you referring to? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 04:21, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
    • I guess "historically" is accurate, technically at least, though the article never said that either variant name was common, just that they exist. I also moved it back to the top of the section; it's not really a historical event so much as a bit of meta-information. I mentioned two other sources in my initial reply to you. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 22:08, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
      • Okay. My only qualm is that the GNIS thing is out of order, but whatever. The two sources i will probably go through in the next week. this source also looks promising. I skimmed through it about a year and a half ago when I wrote the majority of the article. There's a lot of fluff as well as some good info in 150+ pages. Nice work with the hydrology -- I would have never found that information. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 00:09, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

• Do you think the article is ready for GAN? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 01:28, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Can't hurt to try. It's good, but not great in my opinion. Is there any way to do a co-nomination with the GAN template? --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 11:39, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
    • Well, I went ahead and nominated it. I don't think there is a way to do a co-nom, but for all intents and purposes it is one. Where do you think it needs improvement? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 13:28, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
      • If the history section gets much longer, it'll unbalance the article unless the other sections are expanded as well. Just a note. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 15:56, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For your great UAA work. Esquivalience t 01:19, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 01:46, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Davis Hollow

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 07:47, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Green Run (Spring Brook)

Thank you Victuallers (talk) 16:04, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Rattlesnake Creek (Spring Brook)

Thanks for improving the weekend on the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Thor Solberg

Thanks for improving the weekend on the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Panther Creek (Spring Brook)

Harrias ^talk 08:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Espy Bog

Harrias ^talk 08:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Little Roaring Brook

Harrias ^talk 16:01, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mahoning Creek (Susquehanna River)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Mahoning Creek (Susquehanna River) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of LeftAire -- LeftAire (talk) 18:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for White Oak Run (Roaring Brook)

Allen3 ^talk 00:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Little Nescopeck Creek

Hello
I notice you reverted some edits on this page a while ago: I've opened a discussion about it here, if you wish to comment. Regards, Moonraker12 (talk) 13:20, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mahoning Creek (Susquehanna River)

The article Mahoning Creek (Susquehanna River) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Mahoning Creek (Susquehanna River) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of LeftAire -- LeftAire (talk) 14:41, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

National Map

Hi I was wondering how to use the National Map to calculate length. I want to start articles on Darby Creek tributaries Little Darby Creek (Pennsylvania) and Hermesprota Creek and it is a pretty important feature. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 15:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

If you look right below the search box, you'll see three tabs labeled "Standard", "Advanced", and "Annotation". Click on Advanced and select the "measure distance" button. Should be self-evident from there. I can also link you to some sources you might find useful, if you want. `--Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 22:17, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, it isn't working for me. Maybe you could use the tool to find the lengths of the creeks because I am finding it difficult. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 21:17, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

What exactly is it that you're doing, and what happens when you do that? --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 19:29, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, I got it to work. I don't know what the problem was. Yes, please link me to some useful sources. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 19:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• River miles and watershed areas
• GNIS query
• Bridge crossings
• Designations and wild trout waters
• Hydrology
• Pennsylvania Bulletin
• Several conservation plans. We used them in the Darby Creek article, but they also mention some (or even most) tributaries.
• Delaware County history
• Sometimes Natural Areas Inventories mention creeks. Use cntrl+F to check.
• There's almost certainly more on Google. Don't be afraid to go deep; there are sometimes useful bits as far back as the 8th page. Google Books is also useful too, but Google News rarely is. Search for "Creek Name" "X County" pa if the creek's name isn't unique ("Creek Name" works fine if it's name is unique cf. Tangascootack Creek).
• I'd wager that it's possible to create a decent non-stub article on every tributary of Darby Creek (and every sub-tributary, sub-sub-tributary, and so on). There are probably enough sources to create articles on 90% of the named PA streams. Just some food for thought.... --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 19:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• Cobbs Creek might be the next one to take to GA, considering there's already some information there and there's probably plenty more to find. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 17:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

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North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:54, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Leach Creek

Harrias ^talk 07:20, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Wonderful

Your article Central Mountain is charming and I enjoyed reading it.

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So someone does read those articles after all! --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 19:29, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Black Creek (Susquehanna River)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Black Creek (Susquehanna River) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of LeftAire -- LeftAire (talk) 16:21, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Clover Hill Creek

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:00, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Lucky Run

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:25, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Operation Scarlift

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:55, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

ummmm...

Could "that The Big Short is a drama about a crisis" read "that The Big Short has made a drama out of a crisis?" ? I cannot make the change easily if I am to approve it. Victuallers (talk) 18:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Victuallers: Even better! --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 17:44, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Leggetts Creek

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 06:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Meadow Brook (Lackawanna River)

Thank you for your help with DYK Victuallers (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Black Creek (Susquehanna River) review

I'm sorry I haven't been able to assess the review properly. My work schedule has been rather hectic as of late, and I don't know if I'll have any time off before next Monday. Whenever I do have time off, I'll continue on with the review. LeftAire (talk) 20:54, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@LeftAire: Any progress? --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 21:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Spring Brook (Lackawanna River)

Harrias ^talk 10:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

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Thanks for the input...Alt1 provided there. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:59, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the re-review. Re your comment at the nom page: no coincidence. I noticed the red link in the refs section of the Leggetts Creek article for the Gazette and after performing some research, created an article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Mountain Lake Run

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:15, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Mill Creek (Lackawanna River)

Thanks for your article Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Lidy Creek

Thanks for your article Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Collins Creek

Thanks for your article Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Sterry Creek

On Template:Did you know nominations/Sterry Creek, I can't decide which of your hooks is better:

• ... that Sterry Creek is usually "little more than a trickle", but overflows its banks about once every ten years?

or

• ALT1:... that Sterry Creek is usually "little more than a trickle", but overflows its banks about once every ten years?

In case the reviewer doesn't like either of those, I'd like to propose another: ALT2:... that Sterry Creek is usually "little more than a trickle", but overflows its banks about once every ten years? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Took me a moment to realize what you were getting at, but I think that ALT0 is slightly better than ALT1 or ALT2 --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 11:51, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hehe, sorry. At least I get credit for not adding that ALT2 to the nomination; as a matter of fact, I've now removed ALT1. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. What happened was that I somehow put the original hook where ALT1 was supposed to go, didn't see it, and copied it to the original slot. A bit of a mess. Oh well. At least it's been fixed. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 21:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lindy Creek

Hello! Your submission of Lindy Creek at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 19:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)