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Potential move from the US

Hi Jimbo,

There is a slight chance you remember me from the WM mailing list, on which I was quite active nearly 20 years ago. Anyway, I found a reason to bother you again.

The recent electoral victory of Annoying Orange plunges the United States into a sea of uncertainty. He has on numerous occasions proposed or suggested dictatorial policies. Even if he does not manage to realize these plan, utter chaos is likely to be ahead. Many liberties are at stake, including those that safeguard Wikipedia's neutrality, veracity, and accessibility for everyone.

As we have seen recently in India and several times before elsewhere, countries that were formerly considered 'free' can descend into authoritarianism very quickly. No checks and balances are to be trusted if those in power purport to act with the support of 'the people', whoever that may be. In a few years, the US may no longer be a safe haven for the either WMF as a legal entity, or for the physical servers containing the information.

I would therefore like to know whether the boards has been considering a move out of the United States. Naturally, no country is entirely free of this vile brand of populism, but some countries seem relatively safe. These include Canada and Spain. A major brain drain from the United States to Canada is to be expected anyway, so you can no doubt follow some of you acquaintances.

I know I am probably not the first person suggesting this to you, but since I couldn't find this suggestion here or anywhere else, I felt compelled to make it. Just to be sure: I am a veteran Wikipedian, so I know that I normally should speak to someone else for issues concerning Wikipedia. For offline threats to the very existence of Wikipedia, however, I make an exception. Steinbach (talk) 20:52, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@Steinbach: Well there's a similar thread at the WMF village pump section. Graham87 (talk) 00:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

We will obviously do whatever is needed to keep Wikipedia safe, but I'm not that concerned about the US. The First Amendment is still very strong, and there seems to be no wavering in support for it from the justices that Trump supported. There are other elements of public policy about which I do have some concerns, particularly around Section 230 which is pretty crucial for people's ability to post openly on the Internet without premoderation, etc. But even there, I would expect any modifications would tend to be somewhat narrowly targetted. (I'd be opposed to that, but my point is that it might or might not be existential for us depending on the details.)--Jimbo Wales (talk) 11:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Speaking of that Section, this news from Fortune: Trump’s pick for FCC chair wants to eliminate the law shielding social media companies from legal consequences for posts on their platforms - link to article. Not surprising to me. They might finally get their way, if they may really will it. 2601AC47 (talk|contribs) Isn't a IP anon 12:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Quick note re: Checkuser and privacy

Since you're on the board of the WMF, I figure that you may want to be aware of Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#CheckUser for all new users. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Found this from the talk archives. How would he handle it? 2601AC47 (talk|contribs) Isn't a IP anon 14:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@2601AC47: That was a legitimate concern in 2008 when that discussion was carried out but he can't do that sort of thing now. Graham87 (talk) 05:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Early Thanksgiving

Understandably, it's 2 days early and today would be George Segal's 100th birthday, but since you may have been distressed by things of late (including a hopefully resolved controversy, which needs complete closure)...

2601AC47 has given you a turkey! Turkeys promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a turkey, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy Thanksgiving! 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 12:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC) Spread the goodness of turkey by adding {{subst:Thanksgiving Turkey}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

So, shall I suggest Moana 2 - in theaters tomorrow - and The Brutalist next month for you to see? 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 12:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC) Actually, Moana 2 is in theaters today (I checked), and there are seats for it. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 15:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

And the reviews are in: 70%+ out of 46 so far according to Rotten Tomatoes (no consensus yet), "an exhilarating, romping sequel with songs that put Wicked to shame" (Tim Robey, The Telegraph), "reminds you that Moana is a certified star" and "another win for Disney animation" (Belen Edwards, Mashable), and 6/10 (middling) by IGN. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 17:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)