Talk:Gender inequality in China

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Syntax

The article does not yet have the proper syntax. This should be corrected before moving it to the mainspace. BerikG (talk) 18:59, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Worked on improving syntax throughout the article. Made several structural changes to paragraphs in order to do so in addition to adding supporting evidence (see Reforms and Labor Market section). Jacquebend (talk) 00:17, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

While improving syntax, I have come across many sentences that were extremely unclear. I have attempted to reference the sources cited to derive the intended meaning, but since many of these sources were in Chinese I was unable to verify the intended meaning of all the edited sentences. In particular, the FDI section was very unclear. While changing grammar, I also discovered large portions of directly plagiarized material. This material has been removed and summaries of the author's findings have been substituted.Jacquebend (talk) 23:07, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Further, in the unemployment section there were many percentages that failed to add up to 100 (when the percentage of men and the percentage of women should account for all individuals--especially considering the study was from 1990 and intersex individuals were likely not accounted for at this time). I have removed these statistics and instead substituted general conclusions from the cited source.Jacquebend (talk) 23:47, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

I have started editing some sentences to have a better flow and to make more sense to english speakers. I will continue to do this throughout the article. Vsterlingh (talk) 14:27, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Feedback: reference list, table, English

The article is improving and getting ready to be posted on Wikipedia. I have some suggestions on the Intro paragraph, which I will edit directly. At the end of the article, you notice in red a correction request on the references. You need to add the Reference list (as shown). Check the help link. Also, if you don't put in the syntax for the table, the stats in the table are all in one paragraph. So, either summarize that table in a few sentences on the highest vs lowest stats and any other striking piece of information, or put in a table. Diksha and Corina have put in tables and you can simply copy how they've done it (go to the edit page of the article and copy the table). Also, it would be good if you can improve the English in the article (for grammar, spelling), it is important to improve readability. BerikG (talk) 19:08, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

One more edit: please put the reference at the end of the sentence--after the period, not before the period. BerikG (talk) 19:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Some suggestions

This is a good article which covers most of the necessary topics. There are some typos needed to be correct as well as the in-text citation format. I am not quite sure how Table 2 relates to the topic of gender inequality in China and think that if you want to keep this table you will have to explain a little bit more. The references are not yet alphabetically ascending and should also be adjusted. It would be nice if you can provide a more current data on some part e.g. the wage gap. There are still some parts of the article needed to be cited by references. For example, the context below Table 1, it seems like the explanations are the author's personal opinion (the content contains words like "maybe") which should be avoided. Unless, this is follows the existing theory or being presented elsewhere (which will again need a citation). If the article contains some picture would improve the quality of this page even better. Econkc (talk) 06:36, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Note on second table

I have removed the second table (changes in FDI investment) since the origin of the data was not cited and the data failed to include a gender component (only overall changes in FDI employment).Jacquebend (talk) 23:07, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

This article has improved a lot from its first version! I have only a few suggestions, which might think over:

1. In section 3 you write "Research on China's economic reforms also suggests that the cost of restructuring has fallen upon women disproportionately." The sentence implies that all or most research on the subject reach similar conclusions, however from the citations it appears that you offer only one source. To make it more objective I believe you should mention that it is Summerfield's research that offers the respective evidence and not generally "research on China's economic reforms".
2. What do you mean by "women have a lower level of occupation"? (section 3, where you enumerate characteristics of Chinese labor market discrimination) do you mean that they had lower rates of employments? Or that there was occupational segregation which disadvantaged women? I think you should rethink such formulation.
3. In subsection 2 of section 3 - Occupational segregation - it would be great if you could offer some data on which you base your conclusions.
4. Your tables lack their sources.
5. it would be great if you could add more recent data and not only till 1995 for Table 1.

Corinabesliu1965 (talk) 08:07, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I have worked to clarify some of the above sections as well as to incorporate more recent data into the article. Jacquebend (talk) 21:56, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Additional edits

1) Please give an example of "explicit discrimination." 2) Also you say the government owned enterprises are exempt from equal employment policies. Please elaborate on this. How is this possible? What % of enterprises do these constitute? Where do the laws apply then? Is there any information on how well the laws are implemented? 3) In reporting employment in foreign-owned enterprises you report "1250 ten thousands"; can you report these in millions? 4) Also, the % of foreign in total employment makes more sense than these absolute numbers. 5) The English grammar problems persist. Could you ask a native English speaker friend to help edit your contribution? That would be very helpful. BerikG (talk) 06:32, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Feedback

Gender inequality in China is a very good Wikipedia paper according to Wikipedia critique standards. Its first paragraph offers a useful and clear overview of the topics covered and what you can expect to get out of it. The whole paper focuses on a clear topic which is Gender inequality in China’s labor market. The paper considers 18 references and offers detailed and scholarly support to all of its claims. The paper is fairly readable, and its points are presented in a way that is clear and informational as well as very neutral for the reader. Overall the paper is clear, easy to digest and evenhanded.

71.199.46.5 (talk) 06:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC) Steve Miller

Pre-1949 China

At the moment, this article only talks about gender inequality since the foundation of the PRC in 1949. It should either make this explicit, or have a discussion about historical inequality, in the RoC or in imperial times. --jftsang 14:47, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I added a section about women in china before 1949 that goes over some information about women's rights at this time.Vsterlingh (talk) 04:58, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

The pre-1949 section also veers into talking about contemporary China as well. This needs to be cleared up. Xcia0069 (talk) 19:26, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Foreign direct investment

I have attempted to revise this section to make it more clear, but it still doesn't relate well to the topic. The research I have done has shown inconsistent trends involving FDI and gender equality, so the findings are not particularly relevant to this article. I think this section should either be removed or further revised to incorporate with a more relevant section.Jacquebend (talk) 02:45, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Added sections

I have added sections on the influence of marriage and delaying marriage on gender equality in China. Still working on building more sources to support--feel free to add. Jacquebend (talk) 01:47, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Notes and References

The citation system used previously in this article is not correct. I will be working to correct the citations and consolidate the notes and references section. Vsterlingh (talk) 14:29, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Worked to correct the citation formatting. There were some issues with the translation of article titles and journal names from Chinese to English that I was unable to fix (due to lack of access to these Chinese journals). Jacquebend (talk) 01:58, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Did Copy Editing and Added a Section on One-Child Policy

Rearranged some sections, move Confucianism to its own section for example since it was a singular thought. Also added a bit about Gender Disparity as a result of China's One-Child Policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wickersong (talk • contribs) 04:23, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Overview of gender inequality in China, 2019 ranking

In this report https://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/GII,

line 85, you would find China, and the next column is the Inequality Index (GII), you can find the correspondent ranking for China which is 39

you can also find the same result on this Wiki link for Inequality Index (GII): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Inequality_Index

Either I am blind, or China is not ranked 39 anywhere in that source. Anyone else here seeing 39? --TylerBurden (talk) 02:25, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I should also add that Wikipedia is not a reliable source, if that article has incorrectly sourced content about China then that should be fixed too, two wrongs don't make one right. --TylerBurden (talk) 02:29, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

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I've been working on some future edit ideas for the article. So far, I am thinking about updating information on Post-Mao Era a women's education. I am also planning on adding some more information on inequality in marriages and home ownership/duties. Also, an update to gender income inequality is on my list. KCterm — Preceding undated comment added 04:59, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Patriarchy in China with Gender inequality in China

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These articles cover essentially the same topic (and to the extent that one could argue there is a minute difference in scope, it is not significant enough to warrant a separate article per WP:PAGEDECIDE). This one is much more developed than the patriarchy one. Sdkb ^talk 06:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

I think these two articles could be combined. Patriarchy can be a contributing factor to gender inequality because it establishes the dominant status of men, which may restrict the rights and opportunities of women in various areas. However, gender inequality can also stem from other factors, such as social and cultural norms, economic structures, and policy formulations. Additionally, the article on Chinese patriarchy is relatively brief and includes content that is repeated in the article on gender inequality in China, which is even more clear and explicit. Kikolipu (talk) 05:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Both topics are big enough to have different articles. I am for keeping both articles seperated. O.maximov (talk) 11:44, 13 August 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Alpha3031 (t • c) 08:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Closing, given the uncontested objection with stale discussion. Klbrain (talk) 23:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

This is not a valid reason to close — the discussion currently leans toward merging. Sdkb ^talk 02:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:TOOLONG is a valid argument, followed by WP:SILENCE. Klbrain (talk) 09:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:SILENCE applies when there's no evidence of disagreement. Myself and Kikolipu have both supported a merge; one user objecting to that does not overrule a prevailing consensus just because we have not reaffirmed our stance. Sdkb ^talk 16:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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Updates/Additions

I added some new subsections to the article listed under new Housing and Education subheadings. I also added some more updated information under the Family pressure and marriage, Wage inequality, and One child policy and gender disparity subheadings. References to the new information are all reliable. ~~~~KCterm KCterm (talk) 04:44, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Added some more information and polished some of my previous contributions to the article KCterm (talk) 22:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Historical foot binding should be removed

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/jun/15/the-last-women-in-china-with-bound-feet#

less than 0.01 percent of women live to 102 years old. Footbinding affects less than 50 women in China and should be removed from a gender inequality in China since the topic is inequality affecting more than a few women. 2600:1700:D591:5F10:BD5D:507E:D5B6:D5CF (talk) 07:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Historical gender inequality is still relevant to discussions of gender equality, it should just be noted that it is no longer a problem. Mrfoogles (talk) 00:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Untitled

"As this article has proved, women’s willingness to regulate their own body in order to gain power and to survive the patriarchal society has been pass down from the very beginning to the modern Chinese society. While women’s low social status is not a right thing, their willingness is not their fault. The main cause of this willingness is the patriarchy in Chinese society which is a social problem exists for a long time. Even though China has thousands years of history, the New China only have a less than seventy years of history. As more and more people become civilized and get in touch with the outside world, inequality between genders has been reduced a lot. Given the fact that Chinese people are still deeply affected by traditions, there is still a long way ahead before Chinese society can truly reach gender equality and women do not need to sacrifice their body."

Whats going on here? Honestly, someone should rewrite this whole article or it should be deleted. A lot of things have no source and it sounds more like an opinion piece than anyting of value. (sorry for not signing) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.55.150.64 (talk) 09:30, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

• Hello I plan on going through and working on the lack of proper citing by first reviewing the references listed and properly noting there accuracy. I also agree upon the note of it lacking proper tone and neutrality, and has an extreme deficit in relevant information, as well as examples. Hopefully this helps give the page a better standing in educational aide into the topics of Chinese Patriarchy. NatalieCampbell (talk) 19:49, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Delete this or rewrite it !!!!!

As somebody mentioned this here before it's an opinion piece not an article. It's probably written by a feminist with blue-dyed armpit hair.

66.130.114.98 (talk) 18:05, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

• ""probably written by a feminist with blue-dyed armpit hair."" While I agree the article's got a style that suggests opinion, I believe the writer's coming to the topic in good faith and trying to persuade readers skeptical of the existence of patriarchy in China by using facts. I can't say the same about this comment. I'll edit the article, unless you object. Idlediletante (talk) 22:30, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

• I think that you guys are being pretty harsh, I think all it needs is some rewriting and reorganizing in a neutral tone. Maybe an added section of gender stereotypes in china, as these wiki articles are supposed to be for educational purposes. Cocomiller (talk) 07:52, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

• As mentioned this comment is purely just a crude statement at an article that needs some TLC. If it was previously mentioned that a more neutral tone is needed as well as other revisions why make a comment that holds no other information of importance other then a slanted comment. I think it is also of value to mention that adding gender stereotypes would be a great addition as well as maybe more examples dating back further then just the 20th century. NatalieCampbell (talk) 20:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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Possible Edits

Hello I and a group of students plan on making some major edits to this article to give it some much needed revision and additions to help it have a better educational relevancy. In doing so I thought it may be useful for anyone who may stumble across the article during our editing phases to have an opinion or suggestion for possible edits thread, as well as a spot for myself or others to label changes that we plan to make:

As of right now these are the major edits that should be made in our eyes

• Revision of biased opinionated tones to a neutral tone
• Proper citing of information and quotation to references
• Addition of missing information;

• Gender Stereotypes
• Modern/Old-Fashioned Women of China
• Examples dating back further then just the 20th century

• The addition of an introduction and definition of patriarchy (specifically its impact in chinese culture)
• Removing any unnecessary information and adjusting the flow of certain subcategories of the article to read easier.

Please feel free to add to this list any other edits that should be made or suggestions for improvement. NatalieCampbell (talk) 20:12, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Removed portion with quote of athens as it does not seem relevant to chinese patriarchy as well as had no citation paired with it. Here is the section in case someone disagrees and thinks it should be added back; "Another one of these famous quotes is also related to the patriarchy found in Athens. "Men are free to roam outside, but women must stay inside." [citation needed]" This is my signature NatalieCampbell (talk) 06:42, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Suggest move to Patriarchy in China (Implemented)

I suggest moving this article to Patriarchy in China, since that's the title that a reader would expect based on the titles of other articles which follow the format '[topic] in [country]' like Gender inequality in China. It's also arguably more neutral phrasing since it clearly delineates topic and country, rather than mushing them together into an inseparable compound. – Scyrme (talk) 23:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Since no objections were raised in over a week, I went ahead and moved the article. – Scyrme (talk) 18:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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