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Hola si entiendes español, te pido un favor, puede colaborar en actualizar el articulo de Cali, he visto que haz hecho reviciones. El articulo de Cali en version español es un articulo destacado, asi que ahi hay un bien material para complementarlo, tambien el articulo del valle del cauca esta muy enfatizado a la violencia. En Wikipedia en español me identifico como roboting pero no he unificado mi nombre globalmente. Saludos--Koldorogollo (talk) 19:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Hola Koldorogollo, gracias por tu mensaje. He añadido el artículo acerca de Cali a mi 'cosas por hacer' lista. :-)
I just want to correct a slight misunderstanding here. I watch that page diligently, and noticed your edit summary,
For the record, there's no reason to suppose the work was created as a forgery, i.e. with specific intent to deceive. In fact, it doesn't utilise the techniques that Leonardo and his closest followers employed. It is simply a picture that was painted, based on another portrait I would think, by someone commissioned to produce a likeness of Leonardo. Without photography, copying painted portraits that had been done from life was very common.
There are several reasons why I don't think this painting was done from life. But I'm sure it is a legitimate copy, not a forgery made many years or centuries later.
The only thing that is suspicious is the fact that someone, at some later date wrote that script, backwards, on the picture. (I have some expertise in this, and have concluded that it was written by a right-handed person). The inscription is a forgery. And it's not a very convincing one. But the painting itself is simply a "copy" of a lost portrait. Amandajm (talk) 11:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Amandajm, thank you for your message. The only thing I was trying to say was that it cannot be described as a self-portrait. Whether it a copy or a forgery, or whatever its history, it is not an original painting by Leonardo himself, therefore it not a self-portrait. I hope that makes sense.
Sorry, in italian we are not used to write with so many capital letters.
Thank you for your precious help and forgive my mistakes.
Mauro--2.231.122.160 (talk) 18:23, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi, no problem, :-)
By the way, good work on the article! A great improvement :-)
I reverted your edit on Eureka, California because "page" is not the same thing as "pages". If a citation occurs on page 16 of a 255 page book, and the citation on Eureka says "page 16," that means "page 16 of the total book." The way you changed it, some of these huge tomes looked to be only a few pages long!! On the other hand your removal of all the extra "format" tags was useful and I have duplicated that. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ellin, thank you for your message. I have made the edit you refer to with a script called Reflinks, written by user: Dispenser, so to a certain extent a lot of the edit is controlled by how that script is set to work.
page: Page in the source that supports the content. Displays preceded with p. unless |nopp=y.
OR: pages: Pages in the source that supports the content; separate page ranges with an en dash (–); separate non-sequential pages with a comma (,); do not use to indicate the total number of pages in the source. Displays preceded with pp. unless |nopp=y.
As I understand this, you use page if you only have one page, and pages if you have either a range or a list of pages. It is not supposed to refer to the total number of pages in a book or source.
In the edits made with Reflinks, the script appears to change the citation wording from pages to page if there is only one page number listed.
Forgive me if I have interpreted this wrong (or what you are saying in the wrong way), but I'm not really sure what the problem is.
What happened was your script changed the word "page" which would refer to (for example) page 25 of a book of 200 pages, to read "pages 25", which would mean "this book has only 25 total pages." After all the hours that editors have spent on Eureka, California getting each page number in the proper place, to have a scripted edit wipe out the exact page number on which the reference can be found resulted in the reversion to the last human created edit and my notification to you. I am sorry for any misunderstanding but if a source is "Doe, John, The Big Book, page 18," it is not the same thing as "Doe, John, The Big Book, 18 pages." The Eureka editors had it as the former "page 18" and the script changed it to the latter "18 pages." Thank you for your understanding and thank you also for nomming up the "format = " characters, when I reverted the "page/pages" edit, I followed that with an edit which removed the "format = " as you had it. With best wishes, Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ellin, you wrote "your script changed the word "page" which would refer to (for example) page 25 of a book of 200 pages, to read "pages 25",".
However if you look at my edit (from what I can see) it has done the opposite:
My edit has changed 'pages =' into 'page =' a total number of eight times (and 0 times the other way round page --> pages as you state is the case)
You continue on to say: "...to read "pages 25", which would mean "this book has only 25 total pages."
page: Page in the source that supports the content. Displays preceded with p. unless |nopp=y.
OR: pages: Pages in the source that supports the content; separate page ranges with an en dash (–); separate non-sequential pages with a comma (,); do not use to indicate the total number of pages in the source.
I understand this preceding paragraph (from the documentation) to mean pages=25does not indicate the total number of pages in the source.
I understand it to mean that 'Page =' is used if there is one page number, such as 'Page=25'; 'Pages =' is used if there are multiple pages such as 'Pages = 25,28,30', or a range of pages, such as 'Pages = 25-30'
I'm very sorry if I'm not following what you are trying to say. Please explain which part of what I have just said you disagree with, so that we may find some understanding :-)
Hi, I saw a third opinion request, so I'm replying! |page and |pages are basically the same, except that |pages is used for multiple pages. It does not indicate how many pages there are. The only changes were to citations that only included one page (eg |pages=25 to |page=25), which is less ambiguous.
With apologies for any misunderstandings and no desire to get you upset. You are correct in that I attempted to explain the problem backwards above. I think I was in shock at having to revert an edit. I rarely undo, and even more rarely on edits from good editors like yourself. Let me try again to explain! I attach a photo of the diffs in question, there are indeed differences in the citations given by Xavexgoem, as you can also see here in the "prev" of the undo which shows what the script changed in the article. The diff cited by Xavexgoem also shows the page > pages change, as the books no longer have 346 pages, but instead the citation reads "p. 346". Instead of yakking more on page != pages, here is a photo.
A screenshot of the relevant differences. Please click on the image to go to larger version. Source "prev" of undo diff I hope this image will perhaps explain better than another 1,000 words. The left hand column was after the script happened, the right hand column is both before the script and after the reversion.
As you can see in the photo, the script edit changed the meaning of many entries on Eureka, California. In the example on the left at top (Davidson's book) your script wrote "page 16" when the document has really "16 pages" as you see on the right hand column. In the second one (Coy's book), the script wrote "page 346" when the book has "346 pages" which is how it was before the script changes. There were a few uses of "page" on Eureka that refer to exact page numbers, they were written "page" as in "look on page #x".
As I tried to explain before, your script ran through and made major changes to the meaning of the citations, so I reverted your edit. I wrote you here to explain why I reverted your edit. I did reverse the explanation of the problem, my apologies for the reversal. Contrary to Xavexgoem's opinion, there were - as you can see in the photo - major differences between the two versions, the script changed the meaning of an important data points in the citations. While scripts may be fast and fun, they can also make some unexpected changes to carefully cultivated wiki entries. P.S. If I don't reply to you immediately, there's no need to leave additional tags on my talk page. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:03, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ellin, you write "the script changed the meaning of an important data points in the citations". I'm not sure where this has happened. I'm sorry if I appear stupid.
As I am understanding you, you are saying that "Pages =" means the total amount of pages in the book. Is this what you are saying, or have I misunderstood?
In the documentation for Cite book it clearly states do not use to indicate the total number of pages in the source.. So by the template documentation, its not supposed to refer to the total number of pages in the book. I'm not sure what we are arguing about.
I have compared the references sections of before my edit to after my edit and I could not spot any noticeable differences.
I feel we are going around in circles with this conversation, so either we will have to (a) agree to disagree or (b) call in some outside help to solve it.
I don't understand why you're having trouble with my explanations. I think it is really obvious that a book of 346 pages is not the same thing as "the citation is on page 346." Based on the link you provided to the instructions, someone shall have to go back through the entire Eureka article. There have been dozens of editors on that page over the years, I suspect few looked at the reference you provided, they merely put the total number of pages in the book, as that is a very common citation format in school. But even so, please don't change it to "page 346" until I can go through Coy's book (and all the other citations) to find the exact page that some unknown editor used for each reference? Otherwise the whole thing becomes very messy, as people would go to page 346 looking for the reference, and find that to be the last page in the book. I personally never saw the exact line of instructions on this before, there are several million words of instruction on how to do Wiki, and also the big one "Be Bold." So the Eurekans were bold and made that page slightly differently from the actual instructions. I saw the changes go past and realized it was a problem because I know that Coy's book is huge. I use it to hold up a whole row of other books on the shelf. So that one was obvious to me, that the reference could not possibly be on "page 346" as that is the last page of the book and the item cited is early in Eureka history. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:54, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ellin, I've had a look at the diff, and at the template documentation. From what I can see, Marek's edit ("pages=" to "page=") didn't change anything at all. Both fields are for the specific page(s) being cited, not the number of pages in the book. Or have I misunderstood? Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
That said, the purpose of |pages is to indicate a range of pages or an unordered sequence of pages. So instead of changing |pages to |page, they should probably be dropped entirely, since it appears in the citation as if the relevant passage will be found on page 30 or 16 or 367. As far as I know, there is no argument that indicates total number of pages. Xavexgoem (talk) 04:28, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Bad reflinks edits
Hi Marek; re edits like this, this and this - parameters like |author=about a year ago via OpenBuildings.com|author=England|author=March 6, 2009 aren't very sensible. Please take care that the parameters are filled in with suitable data. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Redrose64, thanks for pointing these out. The script is loading these parameters from the original website in the source, which is where they must be jumbled/mislabeled.
I'll take a break and review all my reflinks edits in case there are any more like this.
Thanks; also, I noticed the previous thread - and then came across this edit. The problem here is that changing |pages=30 to |page=30 when a |page=2 already exists causes the |page=2 to be hidden - if a given named parameter occurs more than once, all instances except the last one are ignored. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Arhhh! So am I right in thinking that in that particular case it is referencing two pages and should read "pages=2,30"? -- Marek.69 talk21:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
And there is another problem with Reflinks. It evidently inserts dates that are not necessarily in accordance with the date format being used in the article concerned. I think the Reflinks user should check the output and correct the date format if necessary, so that date formats are consistent within any one article, per WP:DATEFORMAT. -- Alarics (talk) 22:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
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I'm sorry
I'm sorry for making you mad and changing the she'll be coming 'round the mountain thingy. I will no longer comment on it at all.
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Thanks 'm' should have been 'mi'. Easy to miss :-)
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I wonder if you could have a quick look at this? I don't need a full translation but I wondered if the IP was raising some valid points or not. Although the IP looks to be in Poland the bit, "Sedna to Gwynned z wyspy Anglesy," makes it look as if they are talking about the place in Wales but Anglesey is not spelt right. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 18:06, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi CambridgeBayWeather,
Unfortunately I don't have enough knowledge of the subject material (mythology) to be able to comment
I've quickly done you a rough translation (luckily Google Translate wasn't far off).
Sedna is Gwynned from the island Anglesey, daughter of Daut of the sunken city of Ys next to the British Isless, according to one of the legends Daut cut off some fingers when she tried to grab the side of the boat in the storm after the sinking of Ys, according to another legend, Saint Barnon dropped her from his flying horse into the depths of a storm raging around the city of Ys,
Sedna, the adopted daughter or granddaughter of Ana of Abzu (Angut), was first of all wife of King of the Gulls or King of he Herulls lived in Denmark at Abzu, then married a dog. That Dog was Wot-Han, but she didnot like him to be called as such. It was very infuriating for Ana that Wot was the great enemy of Uranus - Dragon-Emperor of China,
Gwynned was firstly wife of King of Herulls, and then the wife of Han Wot (Torgarsuk), and at the same time was a granddaughter or step-granddaughter of the god Ana of Abzu.
Gwynned and Wot Han lived on the island of Britain or Anglesey near the mainland, they had six children, three were orange (pink) and three were yellow (flesh-colored), they divided among themselves the children, three were on the island, and three of them went with their father to the mainland.
These children are Samara, Penza and Goldenlips, and that time they all managed to be Isolde (Iseult). In addition to this their mother's city was Birmingham and Jekaternburg , and sometimes Rangoon, their grandmother's city was of Samara, and sometimes Rangoon, but not nearby - a long way away. Gwynned's daughter Samara was similar in appearance to her grandmother Samara.
Wales was divided into three counties, each belonging to one of the three daughters, and the Isle of Anglesey was where their mother lived, but Anglesey was so warm and so good to live, that the subjects/people sometimes forget to take good care of their Queens, more than this they also thought more about their city YS buried under the sea. From the inhabitants of these four Counties rose Inuit, Eskimos, Aleuci, Kurile, and then another Algonkini, they dispersed to the far ends of the cold corners of the world, the four tribes think of their mother-goddesses, the Algonkini think about where their city YS is, where the Adlivun country is and where they should all live together,
The three sons who Wot-Han he took with him became the tribes of Sami, Chant and Mansi, and cultivated the memory of Wocie Wotiacz, and recently Iżorow in place of votive offerings.
Gwynned and her daughters were the goddesses of linguistic correctness, so talking to them was no problem to the various tribes of shepherds and high tribes of giants,
Arnakuagsak is one of the names of Sedna, it appears that Sedna is the Goddess of the lost Saki Arny in India, according to my understanding "Kuag" would mean "lost", the same name is Arnapkapfaaluk - Arnapfaakpfaluk, Nulljajuk (Nulljasak) Arnaquagsak, some believe Marijczyków or Muromców for mammalian,
Perhaps King of Herulls was Han Sin, since he had his own country along a straight path from the place where she lived Gwynned and not on the other side of the wide river.
Torgar may be another name for Wot Han, because it usually has much in common with the noun 'Souk', and in Abzu he one owned the city Toruń (or Thorn which means thorn)
It was all in the heavens of Abzu, at a time when the Giants lived among normal people and dwarfs, so no-one would ever carry their keys, there are no rules, there are just pictures and buildings.
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Thanks. I'm not completely sure about all this mythology either. I noticed some things such as Ys, a mythical city on the coast of Brittany, and Adlivun the Inuit underworld. I'll copy the translation over to Sedna and see if somebody has some ideas. Thanks again. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 20:02, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. I'm sorry I couldn't help anymore, but I'm just not familiar with this particular subject. :-(
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