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Bose QC3 The Sequel

I tested out the QC3 against the QC2, and I found out that the QC3 packs a really powerful punch in spite of its size—I somewhat underestimated the QC3's power a bit just because I thought that the QC2 fared better in Bose Acoustic Noise Cancellation as opposed to the QC3, but after listening to Aly & AJ's "Walking on Sunshine" with both the QC2 SE and the QC3, the QC3 sounded far better than the QC2 SE. The QC3 isn't in wide stock yet, so I have plenty of time to save up for this supra-aural heatmaker.

Anyway, your perception will vary as people doesn't have the same psychoacoustical perceptions under any circumstances, therefore your psychoacoustical reaction towards the QC3 may be diffrent than mine's. Until now, supra-aural headphones generally are uncomfortable and doesn't do a good job cancelling out the noise, but IMO Bose might've pulled out a knockout punch with the QC3—it's a result of Bose's understanding of psychoacoustics, ergonomics, and close-to-three decades of headphone research. I'd better brace myself—the QC3 might take the supra-aural world by storm. — Mark Kim (Reply/Start Talk) 05:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Got the Headphones and now charging the battery—More care needs to be taken with these as opposed to the QC2. If possible, I would like to know the Bose Products you own to date. I have the Bose Companion 2 Computer Speakers and the Bose QC3, I'm gonna call my copy, "Skull Crusher". I'm also hoping that Bose is going to make an apperance in future James Bond films, a Bose headset plus a James Bond Interceptor package might be great. Gotta go for now, charging the QC3 Battery up, I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy the QC3 Headphones! Case closed. — The Evil in Everyone (U * T/R * CTD) 01:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Weird from what I understood it should have been fully charged when you got them so if you got them in an airport you could just take them on the plane and go! I'm stil not sure about the QC3's I just don't like the idea of it using a rechargable battery that lasts ½ as long as regular batteries, esp since you can't keep it on a charger all the time or it'll loose its battery life. But I must say that I think the form factor makes it more versitile, and heck it just looks cooler!

Lets see I have the QC2v2, Wave Music System, MediaMates & Lifestyle 38 (its connected to the Wave so I can hear my stored music in my bedroom). I now believe I should have gotten the 48 since I have already filled up the music storage and the 48 can store another week of music & they have better speakers.

Interusting idea on the Bond film, can't say I compleatly inderstand what you mean by a "Interceptor package". I compiled a list of all TV shows and movies Bose has apeared in here I think this is pretty thorough. -- UKPhoenix79 08:18, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

My next Bose Product is likely gonna be a SoundDock given my MASSIVE Apple iPod and Computer habits, though it may be a very long road, since I'm more into "Portable Bose Sound" as of this point since I live at a condo at the moment...

An Interceptor package can come in many flavors, but I think Bond's Bose QC3 might be specially formulated with shades that allows him to record anything he's likely to use as evidence to record enemies' guilt, much like the gadgets that he's been using year after year (i.e. BMW Roadster with Spy Gadgets), though the Mid Profile of the QC3 is likely to hurt Bond's stealth unless it can come in black and can actually be used discreetly.

I somewhat had a bad night yesterday, so I might have to take a nap sometime today...Gotta go...— The Evil in Everyone (U * T/R * CTD) 11:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Can You Help Me?

Hi! How are you? Hope doing great. I'm here 'cause I wanna ask whether you can help me making another template for another article. Because you were doing a GREAT job making that template for Highlander, I'm asking whether you can make another one? I'm really suck with this. I tried to do it by myself, but I give up. Let me know, please. Thanks! HoneyBee 10:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Love to help. Just let me know what you need done! -- UKPhoenix79 00:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thank you so much. I'd like to make an Archie Comics template. I already made the list...and it's a pretty big list. Should I email you with the list, or should I just post it here? Where should I send it? HoneyBee

Sorry for the wait. If you could give me a list that would be great. You can give me the info here or give me a link to where the list is located. Like last time just give me an idea oh how you want them to be formatted and I will get on it for you (: Hope you don't mind me asking but why the long absence? Have you been editing on the Indonesian wikipedia site? Chat to ya later -- UKPhoenix79 22:53, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, my. Thanks for doing this. Yes, I've been very busy with exams, assignments, and such. I haven't been editing Indonesian Wikipedia site yet, just lurking around. Okay, below is the list. Hopefuly it's not too long. I like how you made the HL template, it's easy to navigate. I'm tired have to go back and forth checking the article (it was a same problem with Highlander back then before the template);

ARCHIE COMICS

Archie Comics

-Comics: Pep Comics, Betty and Veronica Magazine, Jughead Magazine, Jugheads Double Digest, Love Showdown, The Punisher Meets Archie, Alternate Universes in Archie Comics, Archie's Holiday Fun Digest Magazine, List of current Archie Comics publications

-TV Series: The Archie Show, Archie's Weird Mysteries, The New Archies

-Movie: Archie: To Riverdale and Back Again

-Bands and Song: The Archies, The Veronicas, Sugar, Sugar

CHARACTERS FROM ARCHIE COMICS

-Main Characters: Archie Andrews (comics), Betty Cooper, Jughead Jones, Reggie Mantle, Veronica Lodge

-Supporting Characters: Moose Mason, Midge Klump, Dilton Doiley, Big Ethel, Chuck Clayton, Nancy Woods, Cheryl Blossom, Pop Tate, Mr. Weatherbee, Miss Grundy, Hiram Lodge, Jason Blossom

-Minor Characters: Jellybean Jones, Hot Dog, Minor characters in Archie Comics

SPIN-OFFS

-Sabrina, the Teenage Witch: Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, Groovie Goolies, Sabrina: The Animated Series, Sabrina, the Teenage Witch (TV series)

-Jossie and The Pussycats: Jossie and The Pussycats comic, Jossie and The Pussycats TV series, Jossie and The Pussycats album, Jossie and The Pussycats movie

-That Wilkin Boy

-Li'l Jinx

MISC.

Riverdale, Riverdale High School, Betty and Veronica Syndrome, Archie search engine, Jughead computer, Veronica computer, Archie's Gang

LISTINGS

Mighty Comics, Red Circle Comics, Sonic The Hedgehog, Katy Keene, Sonic Spin City, The Fly, Flygirl, Captain Flag, The Fox, Mighty Crusaders, The Shield, Terrific Three, The Comet, The Jaguar, The Web

Yikes! That's a lot! *grimace* HoneyBee 03:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I have made the {{Archie comics}} template for you. I hope you like it and please include/remove/edit to your hearts delight! -- UKPhoenix79 02:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Words cannot describe my gratitude. As usual, you're doing a great job. Thanks a million! HoneyBee ps: So I just put this template in the articles' pages, right? Oh, I just deleted the list so your discussion page won't look crowded. Thanks again.

My Pleasure. Yes include this {{Archie comics}} in the bottom of the article and it'll make life a lot easier.

A new user has dedicated a lot of time and energy working on eveything Highlander related and has done an amazing job. Yet, I think that the ((tl|Highlander}} template might have become quite crowded but I'm not all too sure. what do you think? Chat to ya later -- UKPhoenix79 07:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I notice that too. I'd like to make a discussion about it. Sometimes I tried to edit some of the articles, but it reverts back again to the original submissions by this user. Right now I don't have the energy to debate nor making a discussion about it. But I will put our concern in the discussion page. By the way, can you tell me how to make a template? I've been trying to make it on my own, but I can't. I don't wanna bother you all the time everytime there's an article need a template.HoneyBee

Well Secretaria seams to be very nice and open to other peoples opinions, but I don't want to discourage the great job done so far. I just think {{Highlander}} is becoming a bit cluttered with too much info yet I cannot think of a good alternative or what should be removed.

I don't mind helping after all its nice to be useful! The best way to make a template is by looking at someones code and just messing around with it. Try creating your own sandbox and play around a bit. I would also recomend going to Help:Table. These help pages are a great resource since they go into a lot of detail on many topics. This is kind of a side note but I created {{UserTools}} to help other users like myself trying to find helpful information. Chat to ya later -- UKPhoenix79 08:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Richard III (1955 film)

My article, Richard III (1955 film), has been up at FAC for quite some time, and consensus has been reached for about a week now or something (altough one new objector has come up... but consensus doesn't have to be unanimous, does it?). Anyway, unless it gets promoted soon regardless of this guys comments, he's requested that I pursue talented and experienced WPians, and ask them to give my article the once over, you know, fixing stylistic problems with the sentences, and all that. Thanks, ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 05:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. I must say that I am surprised that you contacted me and kinda curious how you even found me. I'm always happy to help others so I'll take a once over on your article and let you know what I think of it! -- UKPhoenix79 01:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, for your benefit, I don't practice the whole "Complete conversation" thing. Thanks, though. ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 03:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I knew I hadn't referenced something! Thanks. As for the rest of the article, a lot of it comes from Terry Coleman's book Olivier, as you may see ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 23:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. I must admit, I flew off the handle a bit a few times, though not on Wikipedia (I hope). And those quotes are very apt, thanks, I'm going to mount them on my talk page....._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 00:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, for that, way better. I'm working on the Laurence Olivier article now, trying to get it up to FA status. If you want to help, well...just drop in, add some info (but make sure it's cited...makes life a hell of a lot easier for me.) ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 07:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

As always glad to help. Recently I have been quite buisy (in real life) and haven't had much time to devote to wikipedia as I'd like. But if I do have time I'll try to pop on over and help! :) -- UKPhoenix79 08:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Archiving needed soon

Referer Page: Talk:Bose (audio)

I realized that the page is about 89KB long, which is kind of long for a talk page. I'm bringing this to your attention because there may be no telling when it will hit 100KB in a single talk page. Just wanted to bring this talk page to your attention. That is all. — The Evil in Everyone (U * T/R * CTD) 00:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I guess it had to be done sometime. I'll have to do it later though. -- UKPhoenix79 08:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Bose and Fry's Electronics

Have you heard of Fry's Electronics before?

I should also point out that Bose products are also sold at Fry's Electronics as well, but they are also sold at Circuit City as well. I'm not sure whether or not to classify Fry's and Circuit City as Low and Medium End stores (or in this case, common electronic retail stores or whatever it is), but I couldn't put the content regarding about Fry's and Circuit City in the article because I wasn't sure whether or not they should be listed as Low or Medium-End Stores as well.

I'm not sure if there's a Fry's Electronics at your area, but I wanted to make you aware of these two stores, including the Fry's Electronics that I've mentioned. — The Evil in Everyone (U * T/R * CTD) 10:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I've even been to both of these before. I'd say that they are medium end stores and btw Fry's is very large with a wide variaty of products. I'm not sure what either store has to do with the Bose article though. -- UKPhoenix79 08:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Bose opinion edits

Hi UKPhoenix,

I'd like to discuss some of the reverts in the Bose article, see the talk page. I figure this'll be more productive than endless reverts, so please help me iron this out. --Zambaccian 19:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank-you very much for contacting me about this. I would love to help make this article as NPOV as possible

I reverted

"Also, more US households (17.5 million by Forrester's estimate) aspired to own Bose products than the products of any other consumer-electronics or computer manufacturer -- Dell, Apple, Sony, Pioneer, TiVo, etc. The study indicates that many people trust the Bose brand because they believe that the products are quality products."

since this was a factual statement from Forrester Research published in March 2006 and I see no reason why this shouldn't be kept.

Bose does sell its products in many stores aside form target and best buy. It can be found in many home grown stereo stores world wide and even in other corporate stereo stores like Magnolia Hi-Fi

I have no problem in rewording anything weather it be a praise or criticism. Just let me know what you disagree with and I'm sure we can make this article better. Talk to you later. -- UKPhoenix79 01:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Remember, Remember.. August the 1st!

We'll probably meet on the talk page shortly after. Hehehe. :) --P-Chan 15:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Cute :) Is this a reminder about the V for Vendetta DVD comming out on that date? I noticed that the debate to make it a today's featured article for August the 1st has dried up. Whats going on with that? Let me know since as always I'd love to help. Oh BTW thanks for the random comment that was cool! C-Ya later -- UKPhoenix79 08:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Previous Bose Headphones

I know that this is not an advert, as the are not current models, however it does read like an advert, which is what the tag was there for. Quoting the price and length of warranty makes it look like a company brochure and I think is unencyclopaedic. I may request an independent review of the article by another editor. Please respond (if you wish !!!) on my talk page. DavidHumphreys^{SPEAK TO ME}ABOUT_{THE THINGS I MESSED UP} 04:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

need help for indonesian pic

i just uploaded a pic for miss indonesia 2006, but i don't know the license. it's here in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Msindo2006.jpg can u help me? thanks. HoneyBee 07:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Acording to the website you got the image from it says "All images Copyright © Miss Universe L.P., LLLP Prints are for personal use only. Images may not be altered, reproduced, published, or used on a web site without the prior written permission of the Miss Universe Organization." It looks like you might not be able to use it... Sorry :( -- UKPhoenix79 10:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Bose (audio)

I had to archive the talk page because the talk page was 93KB in size, which is a lot of disk space. I hope you don't mind me archiving the talk page. Please feel free to move certain discussions from the archive page to the main talk page as you see fit.

I appreciate your understanding why I had to archive the Bose (audio) Talk (Chit-Chat in my case) page. — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 22:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about my long delays in replying, Thanks for doing that. I prettied it up a bit if that was ok! -- UKPhoenix79 10:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Works for me. Case closed. — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 15:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bose Headphone Family

The Anon who placed the NPOV template somewhat had bad faith in the article. I didn't know that he was somewhat "paranoid" until your ruling just now. There are some Anons who will have excessive bad faith in the article's neutrality (I've seen this on another). Generally I try to assume good and clean faith on people who "do things" on the article (unless it's something that's really unproductive and/or at the level of spam) but if I think it's really bad faith, then I try to resolve "things" by discussion, and removal of NPOV tags in question, I usually leave the higher Wikipedians with the final say.

As for the Bose QuietComfort 3 Headphones, in the past, prior to these headphones, I realized that most Supra-Aural, "On The Ear" headphones generally have a driver length of 30mm in diameter, though the specs lack citation. Bose must really had their work cut out for them in this project since the earcup drivers prior to the QC3 were 40mm in diameter, and Bose really did pull off a good project, but with lots of effort since all the technology needed to accomodate the 30mm earcup drivers and the supra-aural "on the ear" earcups. It's been doing VERY WELL for me thus far, though I know there's room for improvement here. Like I said, if the QC3 goes all well for Bose, maybe I'll see a Supra-Aural version of the Tri-Port Headphones. — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 15:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Some people unfortuantly don't want to work to make the article better but only wish to vent frustrations. Its something I've also come across before. I'd love to have people try to work with others to make articles better, but since this is a product page I guess it cannot be avoided, especially since some people don't like Bose products even if they have never actually heard them before! But its the nature of the beast in wikipedia. Oh and thanks for the unexpected compliment :)

I have no idea on where to find such information on the driver size. I wouldn't be too surprised if the were a bit smaller than the other Bose headphones so your guess of 30mm to 40mm would make sense. I'm glad that you like your QC3's... I use my QC2's all the time, virtually evey night, especially when I'm watching TV on my computer. So for me having a rechargable battery that cannot be left on the charger all the time and with less battery life would be too much of a down side for me. Even though I love the way they look and well almost everything else about them. I would also like for Bose to either replace the Triports or sell the Triport 2's at the same as the originals (as they are with the QC2's & QC3's). I'm sure that they could make on the ear Triports look great. Chat to you later -- UKPhoenix79 03:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

AfD vote on Bose Headphone Family

I'd like to help, but after reading it, I have no idea about Bose headphones... I'm sorry :( HoneyBee

Thanks for the reply :) Haven't heard from you in a while, hope things are ok. Sorry that I couldn't find any info that would help you on Miss Indonesia. You don't have to vote if you don't want too. I was just trying to get people that I have delt with before and that I believe are unbiased to read the article and vote on it. Is there anything in particular you don't understand that I might be able to answer? Or is the debate looking overwhelming and you don't want to become involved... because thats ok also. Either way I'm sure I'll chat to you later :) -- UKPhoenix79 23:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

For Miss Indonesia, that's okay. I don't know much about the article anyway. For the Bose deletion article, I was reading the debate, and I have to admit it is looking overwhelming. I'd like to vote, but because of my limit of knowledge (not to mention my English lang.) I feel like I shouldn't. Unless I understand exactly (not because I don't want to be involved) about the article. But let me read it again or give me some time. But in my opinion, I think any kind of article shouldn't be deleted unless they don't have proper writing and sources. Instead of deleting something because it looks like a fan article or bias (or maybe have lots of poor grammar/spelling), just change the writing into a neutral POV and proper grammar/spelling). Hope it helps....HoneyBee 23:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it should NOT be deleted. The article should stay. But I don't have any back-up information why or why not the article should stay. But I think Wikipedia is the main source for "everything", and this is a good place to seek information about everything.HoneyBee 00:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeaa a bonus you think it should stay :) I have brought a few poeple to the conversation and they didn't agree with me but thats the risk you take when you tell people about a debate. I've worked with only a couple of editors to make the article as NPOV as possable but it looks like people think that it wasn't enough, and by listing the price and having sources to the manufacture they say it looked like an ad. Thats the jist of it. So more work needs to be done in the least. I would agree that this is something that belongs in wikipedia. I just need to bring it up to the standards here since I guess it dosen't qualify as such yet. Not everyone votes and gives a reason I know that there have been a few that say "Bose Sucks Delete them all" Even though their vote is counted their comments are generally ignored. So if you can think of anything that should be done to improve the article that would go a long way to help us in the future make it better :) Chat to you later -- UKPhoenix79 00:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, how do I vote? I never vote before in Wikipedia. Am I too late? HoneyBee 09:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh ok, well what you do is go to the page and state what you think, be it keep, delete or anything else; then if you want, say why you voted that way; then sign it (--~~~~). Thats pretty much it but there is no real standard and some people don't even like to call it voting (even though I tend to) since they are just trying to get some type of concensus on an article, its not a case where one vote will decide the outcome. I think its going on for another day. Chat to you later & Have fun down under :) -- UKPhoenix79 10:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

About your last message

You should say that you want to Keep the article, but state out the reasons why it should be kept. Perhaps you should convince that there's information regarding about why Dr. Bose had to commence research on headphones, and that each headphone offered by Bose has a diffrent reason why the headphones are being offered. In fact, each Bose headphones offered has some history plugged into it. For example. the QuietComfort headphones were created because Dr. Bose wanted to alleviate the problem with conventional headphones not blocking enough airplane roars, while year after year, the Acoustic Noise Cancellation technology was improved for fewer sound artifacts, enhanced EM protection, and sound improvement.

If all else fails, I might have to move the headphone research part of the article (I'm gonna have to save the entire Bose Headphone Family article to my hard drive) into the Bose (audio) article. Again, to close it out, let them know that inserting a lot of "things" into one Bose-related article will only result in a VERY HUGE Wikipedia article file, that there's enough history for the article to remain in the Wikipedia system, because each Bose Headphone pair has a reason plus a research history why it's being released, as Bose wouldn't release a pair of headphones without a reason.

Gotta go. Any more suggestions, please call me. — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 02:16, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• Update. I'm gonna change my vote to "Very Strong Keep All" and I'm gonna place a civilized argument why it should be kept (because I wholeheartedly felt that there's enough history to be kept after all). — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 02:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Bose copyright violation

I've left a comment on the Bose AfD talk page, but thought I'd drop a note here, as well. You seem to talk pretty strongly that this article isn't Bose advertising. Simple question: how can you explain the direct cut-and-paste from the Bose website? That's a copyright violation, and technically justifies tagging and blanking the article. I feel like you've been less than honest with me and the rest of the folks out there, and I feel like you owe us an explanation and an apology...and a really fast edit: delete the cut sections, re-write them in your own words - and in an encyclopedic format - and the restore our confidence. Akradecki 16:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• That was a good catch and your right that should be edited, are there any other copy vios that you have found? But I'd like to ask that you Assume good faith since I have actually been very honest about everything I have said and I have not ever intentially lied to anyone here. I just seam to be the only person that edits this article that is willing to go through all this to prove the articles viability. Actually a copy vio only is subject to the parts that are copy vios. So the entire article would not be effected. I can only imagin the probles that would occour throight wikipedia if entire articles were removed because someone added a small section that was not originally written by them. I don't think we'd have many happy people out there. To put things in perspective this particular headpnone your talking about is only avalable to the military and as the article says it's not available to the consumer market. So if this section was advertising its a very inafectual one at that. I have time and time again even before this AfD came up asked those that critisised the article to point out where and help us make it better only a couple actually replied, and we worked with them to do just that. I have never said that this page was perfact and it didn't need work I have instead only asked people to help us make it truly Great and I can only hope that you can help us do just that. I'm sorry that there was a copy vio and I can only hope that you'd believe me that it was never my intention to mislead anyone in any way. -- UKPhoenix79 03:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I actually do assume good faith, at least until proven otherwise. That's what disappointed me. I am assuming that you didn't actually write the article, but given all the criticism about it's advertising-like style, if I were editor of it, I'd have done some research and verified that I was standing on solid ground before speaking so strongly about it. You essentially identified yourself closely with the article, so much so that it is easy to see culpability. Anyway, I did a check of another couple of paragraphs, and they, too, were copy vios. I would suggest, since you're a principle editor of the article, that you systematically check every paragraph by copying a line or two into Google. If it is identical to a paragraph on a Bose site, either delete that paragraph or immediately rewrite it. If this article makes it through AfD, and you or the other principle editor haven't taken the time to do this, I'll find the time to do it. Akradecki 13:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

True the article was already there before I joined Wikipedia but I have been working on the page for a while now and would be considered one of its main editors. I plan to check things after the AfD is over. Do you think it would help if I edit the page before the AfD is over? I would love some suggestions by all those involved to aid us in improving it. I hope all of this will only make the article better in the end :) -- UKPhoenix79 06:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely, you should edit while in AfD...the tag even encourages you to do it. That way, you can use the process to improve the page. Akradecki 13:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Alive

Unfortunately, I'm still very much alive and kicking. ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 08:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:User dead

Good to see you admiring my handy template-work. Your one true god is David P. A. Hunter, esq. III ^{Talk to me!} _{I forbade it! Hail OneCone International! 09:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)}

Yea though implying that Thefourdotelipsis was dead was kind of odd! I guess it had to be an inside joke between you two! -- UKPhoenix79 06:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Solar system

Hello... from the lengthy discussion at Solar system, it's apparent that you have a different approach in mind for the article, one which seems to be at odds with the direction other editors are taking. However, there's been a lot of work done on the page over the past day or two, which (I think) includes a determined effort to incorporate your ideas into the existing structure. I hope that it helps to allay your concerns. Cheers. --Ckatz^chat_spy 08:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use images

I just noticed that you keep reverting the orphan tag my bot is adding to several images you uploaded. Please note that per Wikipedia guidelines, images used under fair use that are not being used in any article are to be deleted. --Fritz S. (Talk) 17:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I re-included them into the page. Sorry for any confusion on my edits. -- UKPhoenix79 03:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Converting an article title to end in "accent", not "Accent"

Per standard wikipedia policy, I would like to convert "Tidewater Accent"

to "Tidewater accent". How would I go about correcting the title in this manner? Dogru144 21:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Well you could move the article to "Tidewater accent" then re-create "Tidewater Accent" only this time as a re-direct page to the correct one. After that you should use the toolbox on the left hand side of your window and click on "What links here" and make any page that points to the re-direct page point to the correct one.

I hope that is clear and makes sense :) If you need help let me know -- UKPhoenix79 03:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use a product images

Wikipedia does not allow copyright images that are repeatable. Current or recent products are a things that we can source free images for. ed g2s • talk 10:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I included fair use rationals on the images. Some images are of products that have not been released yet and most were uploaded before 4 May 2006 while others are of products not avalable to the general public. Compleate removal of images are not nessacary since no one will know to upload free images. -- UKPhoenix79 11:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I am afraid you are mistaken. Our policy is to not allow images which are repeatable, regardless of whether replacements exist or not. For the rare case where the product is not available to the public, there may be a case for fair use. But that is not the case for a majority of the images. ed g2s • talk 11:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

From WP:FU:

Wikipedia permits the 'fair use' of content only under very restricted circumstances where the image or content not only meets the legal tests for fair use but is also, in essence, not repeatable. ie. it would not be possible to replace the image or content with an equivalent free image. This might, for example, include an historical event, but a publicity still of a vehicle, building or living person can be replaced comparatively easily.

If you can demonstrate that it would be unfeasable to source a free image for any of these products (such as the military one) then you can use that as a basis for a fair use claim. The rest we will have to do without, even if we don't have replacements to hand. Please do not readd all the images to the article again as they are clear copyright violations ("Knowingly using copyrighted material on Wikipedia in ways which violate Wikipedia's copyright policies is vandalism."). ed g2s • talk 11:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning; if you reinsert fair-use images into Bose Headphone Family without first establishing with other editors that such images are appropriate, you will be blocked. It's been explained to you on your talk page, Talk:Bose Headphone Family, copyright problems, and my talk page why this isn't appropriate. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Just to be utterly pellucid: Looking at the history of the page and regarding your replacement of the image, had you not recieved the "last warning" above, I would have blocked you already. We take copyright very seriously - brenneman ^{L} 06:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked you for 24 hours, as an anon found their way directly to that page and reverted it to your version using your argument. I think I'm insulted. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

sorry for getting you in trouble —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.135.139.221 (talk • contribs) 06:52, 11 October 2006(UTC)

"A Man In Black" Please stop breaking 3R

this is taken from A Man in Blacks talk page

I can only assume that your intentions are ment well but like I have stated all over wikipedia these images are allowed under Fair use. They have been stated as such many times and you still keep on reverting back to a page that for one thing has an incorrect image added to it that I keep on having to remove. One can use images of items not currently avalable and of images that are not found publicly or easily. There is a place that one should go to help wikipedia to upload free images and that is {{Template:Fair use replace}}. Please also undelete the images mantioned earlier in the past conversation I want to be on the phone with the Bose rep and show them the images I am requesting for use. I have come back only 1 day to wikipedia I left a few months ago because of people bashing this particular page because they dont like Bose. Please dont Harass this page because this is the only reason I contribute to wikipedia. -- UKPhoenix79 05:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

You've been saying that they're allowed. They're not. Many users have patiently explained this to you. If you reinsert one of these non-fair images again, you will be blocked. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

As for the pictures of people dancing while wearing headphones, we wouldn't need those blatantly promotional images even if they were free. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

They are allowed please re-read the Fair use page. one can use it if there is "No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information." there is no "unfree material [that] can be transformed into free material" one cannot "redrawn [photographs] from original sources" and it is not avalable in the public domain for "a free photograph could be taken." these are listed as the rationals for fair use and since these images do apply for fair use then until a subsitute can be found they can be used. Everyone would prefere free images but when that is not the case you can use Fair use images in their sted.

Please stop reverting the pages you have already gone beyond 3R's and you have not been listing to anything I have said. Please work this out on the talk pages and not on the articles them selves. the images that you deleted are not speedy delete candidates so please undelete no matter what you think about them if you want to go by the letter of policy inside wikipedia then please respect them and dont cut corners.

Please talk dont constantly revert you are missing the forrest for the trees with these constant reverts.-- UKPhoenix79 05:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

That is only even questionably true about unreleased models. Those unreleased models will shortly be released, at which point we can take free images. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

FU still applies not only to images not avalable but to items not found to the general public I quote No free equivalent is available or could be created this allows these items to be used. All other fair use items currently found publicly have been removed. Thanks for not reverting the page back this time and actually talking. I always try to avoid giving people time outs :) -- UKPhoenix79 06:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

All of these images exist in the public; for the military ones PD-US-gov images can be found, for the released headphones the headphones can be found and photographed, for the unreleased ones we can wait until they're released. Unless a model is so rare that we cannot reasonably find a model to take a fair-use images (and bear in mind that that's an extraordinary claim to be making) THIS ARTICLE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY FAIR-USE IMAGES. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok why did you block me? If you check my history I have never been blocked and I have never done anything that would give me reason to be blocked. From my point of view you were reverting the page non stop breaking the 3R rule twice over and I did not block you when you did that. I was actually trying to talk to you to understand why you were doing this and all you said was there was no rational to use them. Since I constantly gave real and legit rationals for their inclusions your reverting without talking should have gotten you blocked. If you would have said that any disputed image(s) can't be shown that would have ended the conversation. Only brenneman said it and only after you blocked me. I always edit and communicate with others assuming good faith why did you not do the same with me? As for the Anon editor I did not tell him to revert the page so please dont blame me for others doings. Like I said I always assume good faith so I will assume that this was a misunderstanding and hopefully you will correct this error. -- UKPhoenix79

I blocked you because you got three different warnings to stop reinserting those fair-use images and you went ahead and did it anyway. I don't believe I was in error. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

As I also gave you many warnings only to be ignored completely without any just reason given. The Anon user was not me but a friend that I told about this convo. I did not tell him to edit the page but he did it anyway since he also could not understand why you were ignoring everythng I said and aparently thought that I could use some backup on this. I was actually only given one warning while you were given several including the topic of this conversation Please stop breaking 3R. You were blindly reverting ignoring everything said even when I told you many times that there was an incorrect image included with your reverts you kept on reverting back to the wrong version. That only showed me that I was trying to communicate with someone that would not listen. I did EVERYTHING to get your attention and I even tried to talk camly to you. All you have to do is look at the history of the page and you will see what I am referring to. If I would have followed protocol I would have blocked you much sooner. But like I said I always try to work things out without resorting to such things. If you want to go on protocol then also undelete the images you speedily deleted since they were not candidates for such an action and no matter what you believe or your stance on their worth they have to go throught the same protocols as any other image does uploaded before May 4th 2006. I want to show Bose the complete page without any missing images as to get permission for their use. p.s. As you can still see I still have access to wikipedia and I can still edit here. but I have not reverted the pages back. If I was trying something sneeky wouldn't I be reverting the page back non stop with ip accounts or sock puppets like you seam to think I did? Just look at my record and you'll see thats not the kind of user I am. Please fix this misunderstanding before the 24hours are up. thanks. -- UKPhoenix79

Show Bose an old version of the page. Do not under any circumstances replace fair-use images on that page until you've managed to demonstrate to the satisfaction of users other than yourself that a reasonable fair-use rationale can be written. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Please undelete those images you speedily undeleted since they are Still not valid candidates for such an action. I have got in contact with Bose and I have already sent them a link to the page before all the edits and those images are showen in that page. It seams that nothing I say will ever work since like I said some items are not in the public hands. If you look around you'll still see the Image:Shuffle101.jpg being used without ANYONE including yourself battering an eye on the subject and hundreds of other Fair use images that could be replaced that have been listed as such since earlier this year. Look at all the other products including cell phones Heck the Archos products that have been listed as such since June of this year as they should. Is there a reason that the Bose products are considered so different that they must be removed immediatly? The Fair Use rational for most of the products is a valid one even without Bose's blessing. But asside from all that your not going to apologize for incorrectly blocking me are you? Just please undelete the images you incorrectly speedily deleted. -- UKPhoenix79 22:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I have my hands full dealing with other things, and I have no intention to undelete fair-use images that could not possibly be used for anything but decoration. If you're unhappy with some other fair-use images, feel free to remove them. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

So no apology then... Your missing the point I think that they have as much right as the Bose images do and Fair use is valid for all of them. Your showing discrimination between items of the same merrit for your opinions to hold any water either they all belong or none do. Also the matter of the speedy undelete it does not matter on your opinion since they did not go throught the proper channels to be deleted so please undelete. -- UKPhoenix79 23:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

You reverted copyvio content into an article TEN TIMES over the course of a day and a half. No, I don't apologize for blocking you for that. I'm showing discrimination based only on the articles in front of me, and yes, that iPod Shuffle image should probably go, but I'm dealing with other stuff right now. I'll get it when I get it if nobody else gets it.

As for the channels, those decorative fair-use images were going to get deleted. Better to clean up unnecessary fair-use sooner than later. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Umh thats an essay not an official policy. Please undelete images. Like I said I am seaking aproval too use these images directly from Bose as such I want to show them a correct page without missing images. And like I pointed out earlier you did block me atributing my actions to another user and I was trying to talk to you each time to get your attention with no real response other than there are not Fair Use. I felt like you were breaking 3R but I still did not block you I wanted to get your attention to talk and figure out how to work this out. So would you at least apolagise for blocking me for the wrong reason saying an anon found their way directly to that page and reverted it to your version using your argument. I think I'm insulted. believeing that anon user to be me. -- UKPhoenix79 23:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Show them an older version from the history. We wouldn't be using the dancing people images for anything anyway.

And, no, I'm not going to apologize for blocking you when you reverted nine times to readd copyvio images over objections on four different pages from three different users. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The other users had agreed that some of the images were rare enough to be used and it was agreed to use those images. You came and without replying to anything said even when errors in your reverting including an image of the wrong product were pointed out. You blindly reverted 6 times. Each time I tried to get a response other than copyvio content. They are not copyvio simply because you say they are! Images of Military headsets and items not avalable are allowed Category:Fair use image replacement request is there for images that are Fair Use to be used until a replacement image can be found. No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information. If you check [1] page you'll see that it only has images of items not found in the public. There is no reason that this one cannot be used since they fall under Fair use rationals! The images should be tagged with {{fairusereplace}} so anyone with a free version of those images can upload them. Like I have pointed out there are images there that have not been touched since early this year.

So your still not going to apologize for blocking me mistakenly implying that I either got someone else to do my dirty work or that I logged out to do it myself? I feel that in the least I diserve that. I do not like people besmerching my name and feel like an apology is owed. My record proves that those are not tatics I use here! I have been a very honest user and stand up for things I believe in but I do not use chicanery to get my way. -- UKPhoenix79 03:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

No. I'm not. Nine reverts to replace copyvio content are not appropriate. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

And the false implications? Are you that stubborn you cannot admit when you are wrong and take responsability for that? -- UKPhoenix79 04:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Bose headphones

I really liked the edits, however I was never aware about Bose In-Ear when you edited the page to reflect the new arrivals (The In-ear can't be demoed due to sanitary reasons). I had to refine some areas of the On-Ear and In-Ear a bit so that it looks more like it's encyclopedic and more neutral (though I know I made mistakes), but otherwise, it's fine, though I'm not sure if price should actually be in there...

I really had to edit the In-Ear for the least to state that it's probably the most difficult set of earphones Bose created and engineered because I talked to a Bose sales rep at a Bose retail store at Oak Brook and according to the conversation I had with that sales rep, it was probably not only the most challenging pair, but the most tedious pair Bose had to engineer. Because earbuds are generally small, Bose had to specially formulate Bose In-Ear's technology so that the earbuds would perform up to par with Bose's Circumaural headphones that were already available in the market.

Questions? Concerns? Further disputes? Reply on my talk page. — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 15:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Bose image permissions

"[...] But even so I contacted Bose directly to get permission for Wikipedia to use Bose's images... Man why is it that this article is causing so much trouble? -- UKPhoenix79 08:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)"
Bose granting Wikipedia permission to use the images would be completely useless. Wikipedia is a free content encyclopedia, meaning its content must be redistributable, not that it is distributed free of charge. —ptk✰fgs 18:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hence why I'm getting permission and seeking for either free use or fair use {{Withpermission}} which would make it free for wikipedia to use but not other 3rd parties. So Bose giving wikipedia to use the images would allow them to be used. -- UKPhoenix79 03:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Changing the dates on orphaned image tags

Don't. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Then dont delete them only 2 days after the warning tag has been added, please undelete them! I am waiting on their reply DONT break procedure! -- UKPhoenix79 04:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)