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Be Bold!

Sam [Spade] 14:26, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Salut!

cred ca sunt in general bune modificarile tale privind economia romaneasca, dar sa stii ca romania a atras in 2004 5.1 miliarde € investitii straine (vezi linkul: http://www.bloombiz.ro/articol_53478.html -"Ocupam locul doi in zona la investitii straine

07 Oct 2005, 02:50 Romania a atras, in 2004, investitii straine directe (ISD) de 5,1 miliarde dolari, ocupand locul al doilea, dupa Federatia Rusa, in regiunea Europei de Sud-Est si a statelor membre ale Comunitatii Statelor Independente (CSI), dar devansand noi membri ai Uniunii Europene, precum Ungaria si Cehia." ) Salut si numai bine!

Eastern Europe

I don't understand your Eastern European music changes. Aside from making music of Eastern Europe factually inaccurate, why would you make this change? It is perfectly logical to talk about a Eastern European musical tradition while separating out the southeast is strange and not very useful for the reader. Tuf-Kat 15:55, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Please discuss this change, or I will soon switch it back. Tuf-Kat 20:16, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Your reasoning sounds fine to me. Thanks -- it would be best if you added a description to Eastern European music and Southeastern European music, however, so that readers know why these divisions are made. If you haven't seen it yet, you may want to check out Wikipedia:WikiProject World music. BTW, do you have an opinion on the link to Roma music in the SoutheasternEuropeanmusic box (or any other box)? I am unsure about that one. Tuf-Kat 01:20, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with you that it should be removed. Roma music may be closely linked with Romanian music, but it doesn't need to be in the box -- very few non-countries are in any of the boxes (the exceptions include a few dependent territories, the diverse and distant Central Asian provinces of Russia and China, and Garifuna music, each of which have pretty clear and inarguable reasons for the exception). Roma music is also an integral part of the music of Spain, but they're not part of that box either. I suppose my opinion is that, if Roma music in Romania and elsewhere in the region is so important, someone will eventually write Roma music in southeastern Europe or something similar, and then maybe that could be in the box. Roma music is kind of a crappy article, but ideally it should spend most of its time going into the hundreds of years of Roma musical development and the numerous widely-varying styles, so following the link to that article from music of Albania, for example, won't be very informative. Indeed, there's only a couple sentences. Indeed, apart from a brief, vague paragraph each on Romania and Greece, there's nothing about southeast European music in Roma music. I'm going to boldly remove it from the box, and I suppose if someone is attached to it, we can always discuss further. Tuf-Kat 02:26, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

Your great European Union per capita GDP map

Thanks for the new graphic! It neatly illustrates the table it goes with.

I wanted to ask you whether you based the map on the numbers that were in the table just before you added it, since an IP had just twiddled the figures. [1] If you did use the bad average, you might want to check that the map is still accurate. If you didn't use those numbers, then I'll just say thanks again for the lovely graphic!  — Saxifrage | ☎ 15:08, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

The $US 23,905 figure comes from averaging the data in the table, which came from the IMF's "per-capita GDP PPP" link cited at the bottom of the table. But since you're right about the difficulty in ensuring the accuracy of population counts, the difference between the two numbers, especially for the purpose of a graphic, are probably negligible.  — Saxifrage | ☎ 08:43, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

That figure isn't an average of the GDP, it's an average of the IMF's official numbers for the per capita GDP. These numbers are already appropriately weighted because they are the GDP of each country divided by its population.  — Saxifrage | ☎ 00:57, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

Ah! Now I feel silly. I finally grasped your point when I read "its standard of living, if you like, has more statistical importance..." Feel free to change the total figure back to $24,817 and cite this converstation as consensus. And, of course, thanks again for the nifty map.  — Saxifrage | ☎ 21:46, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

Northern, Western, Central Europe, etc

Have been away — but I think others have expressed similar opinions as mine rather well, and probably better than I would have: Concepts that in fact are fuzzy in English shouldn't be redefined by Wikipedia to appear less so than they really are.
Ruhrjung 00:05, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Constantin Brâncuşi

Of the references you give, the first two are just mirrors of Wikipedia, and the third is from Romania, which still doesn't establish that this form of his name is used outside Romania.

Personally, I'm now equally comfortable with either form of his name, but until I learned Romanian I'd never seen it written as "Brâncuşi". Nor did I have any idea how it was correctly pronounced: I'd always heard it pronounced as an Italian would pronounce "Brancusi". And I'm from New York, not exactly a hick town. I'm willing to guess that outside of Romanian-speakers, that is almost universally how he is known. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:24, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

In any case, the article should be explicit that both spellings exist. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:35, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

Templates

Hi Ronline — what's with these templates that you've been creating? {{M2 link}}, {{M3 link}}, {{M4 link}} and {{M2 colour}}. Is something going to happen with them? What's the point in making a template that's just the Hex value of a colour? — Asbestos | Talk 12:32, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bucharest, Bulgaria

Buna seara Ronline - put it down to tiredness. I sorted about 4000 geostubs over the course of a month; there was bound to be the odd error. So far, two people have spotted mistakes. Still too many mistakes and no excuse, but 2 in 4000 isn't too bad! Maybe I should check to see whether there are any articles about Sofia in the Romanian-geo-stubs! :) My apologies! Grutness|^hello? 12:10, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I hope you enjoyed your time in NZ! As to remembering the geography of your part of the world, I have a friend who was born in Hungary, and he's drummed into me which capital is which in that area (until I met him I always used to get Budapest and Bucharest mixed up!). Grutness|^hello? 12:37, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Great

Great to see you've created Tigrul Celtic at wikipedia-ro! CGorman 15:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Re: Timişoara

Bună Ronline! În primul rând mulţumesc pentru aprecierile legate de articolele despre iluzii optice. Informaţiile despre populaţia judeţului Timiş în general şi ale Timişorii în special sunt în conformitate cu datele furnizate de Institutul Naţional de Statistică - Direcţia Judeţeană de Statistică Timiş. Ele sunt menţionate şi în Pagini Aurii ediţia 2004-2005. Populaţia este mai mică, într-adevăr, decât cea din 2002, care la rândul ei e mai mică decât cea din 2004. Acest fapt se încadrează în tendinţa generală pe ţară de scădere uşoară a populaţiei (probabil datorită sporului natural negativ şi/sau emigrării). Bănuiesc că e bine să lăsăm în articolul despre Timişoara atât datele mai noi cât şi cele mai vechi pentru a se vedea tendinţa descendentă în populaţie şi densitate. Sper să mai colaborăm şi în continuare!

E OK că am scris în româneşte? Tavilis 14:17, 21 August 2005 (UTC)--

Võro

Hi Ronline, I have done at last some work we spoke about in Võro Wikipedia (templates etc). See Maailma maaq Eesti

Best regards Võrok

Vlachs of Serbia

You really do not need to tell me something about Romanians and Vlachs in Serbia, since I know about this issue much more than you. Your knowledge about nationality question in Serbia is obviously very poor and only sources you read about this are probably some Romanian nationalistic books. Here are some facts about Serbia:

• In Serbia everybody is free to declare what ever nationality he choose in census (or not to declare anything if he want).
• Vlachs in Timočka Krajina declare themselves in census as ethnic Vlachs and declare their language as Vlach language
• Vlachs in Timočka Krajina do not consider themselves Romanians. They think about themselves to be a distinct nation, different from both, Serbs and Romanians
• Serbia recognize them as such, since that is what they want

So, you actually accusing Serbia, because it recognizes one people who want to be recognized as such. This is ridiculous. If somebody do not declare himself as Romanian in census, he is not Romanian, end of story.

There are 2 things which can say who is a nation and who is not:

• 1.national consciousness
• 2.census results

Vlachs in Serbia do not have Romanian, but Vlach national consciousness and they do not declare themselves as Romanians, but as Vlachs. No matter how Vlachs of Serbia and Moldovans are culturally and linguistically similar to Romanians, they simply ARE NOT Romanians. They are not Romanians because of same reason why Austrians are not Germans or why Montenegrins are not Serbs or why Americans are not English, etc. I know that that Romanian nationalist propaganda claim that Moldovans and Vlachs of Serbia are Romanians, but that is only nationalistic POV, which have no connection with reality. The small nations like Vlachs of Serbia and Moldovans have right to exist no matter what Romanians think about this. User:PANONIAN

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Just to answer some of your ridiculous statements from the article:

"Linguistically, the Serbian census provides an option for both Romanian and Vlach languages as mother tongues"

"for artificially-separating Romanians and Vlachs in the census, including through the proclamation of a distinct Vlach ethnicity and language"

Do you know how these two statements sound stupid and ridiculous? First of all, Serbian census DO NOT "provide options" and "separating peoples". Here are 3 simply questions from the Serbian census:

• 1. What is your nationality or ethnicity?
• 2. What is your mother tongue?
• 3. What is your religion?

You can answer here what ever you want, even that your nationality is Eskimo or Indian. First inform yourself about some things and then talk. Serbian statisticts only recognize what people declared in census by their free choice. Why Serbian statistics should possibly to count somebody who declared himself as Vlach together with somebody who declared himself as Romanian? User:PANONIAN

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Another article connected with this information is Anti-Romanian discrimination, a disputed article. Olessi 18:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

RfC against 86.105.71.34

Salut Ronline,

I'm putting together an RfC against anonymous user 86.105.71.34, who I think has engaged in several types of misconducts on Wikipedia, especially on Transylvania, Romania, Republic of Moldova, Romanian language. I'm writing to you because you attempted to solve one or more of those issues on the user's talk page. If you endorse this RfC, or have anything to add to the statement of dispute, please sign and share your comments at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/86.105.71.34. Thanks, IulianU 00:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Ronline, I see you withdrew your support for this. Would you please take a look at Talk:Republic of Moldova? 86.105.71.34 was blocked and at least appears to have come back (editing from a variety of IP addresses and signing with a Romanian flag) and making some absolutely threatening remarks such as http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Republic_of_Moldova&diff=27287344&oldid=27270471. Unless you think this is a different person (in which case, please do weigh in and say so), this behavior is escalating, not scaling back. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:40, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Also, could you weigh in at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/86.105.71.34#How_to_proceed? -- Jmabel | Talk 18:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/86.105.71.34#Response. Either he genuinely doesn't understand what is going on here, or he's gaming us, I'm not going to try to guess which. Since you are the one person involved who seems to feel you are on OK terms with him, I'd greatly appreciate if you could get hold of him and try to explain and see if he will engage in the dispute resolution process. I'd still like to see this turned around into him contributing positively, I think he probably has things to contribute, but I'll be damned if coddle bad behavior for the sake of the occasional useful contribution. Right now, a lot of people seem to be ready to take much harsher measures than I would, and (other than perhaps Mikkalai) I'm the main person he's attacked. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Salut

Salut Ronline, multumesc de mesajul tau, sa stii ca am luat in considerare ce mi-ai spus si voi tine cont in viitor. Despre telecomunicatii in Romania, am citit undeva ca la ora actuala sunt peste 12 milioane iar pana la sfarsitul anului peste 13 (este de luat in considerare noul brand Connex-Vodafone si avantul acestei companii). Te salut si numai bine Ronline!

Salut Ronline, am propus noi paragrafe pe pagina de discutii a Romaniei, in orice caz paragrafe care nu vor da nastere la discutii. Eu ma abtin de la orice comentarii si editari dupa ce am ramas destul de socat despre ce scrie Joe. Sper sa-si retraga acuzatiile nefondate. Oricum de aceea am propus niste subiecte care sper ca nu vor da nastere la interpretari. Sper sa cuplezi la idee si sa ma sprijini in masura in care ai timp. Te salut Ronline!

Salut Ronline, iti multumesc pentru mesajul tau, de aceea am si incercat sa raspund. Nu prea stiu de ce e toata chestia asta, sper ca Joe sa-si retraga acuzatiile nefondate. De exemplu a interpretat gresit ce am scris acolo la "made by myself Jmabel". Am vrut sa scriu ca e facuta de mine Jmabel! E ca si cum te adresezi lui Jmabel. Stiam ca va citi si mai mult ca sigur poate ca va da revert. M-am adresat lui in Discussion tocmai pt a nu da revert. Ei bine nu a dat revert, s-a abtinut dar s-a suparat. In nici un caz nu a iesit bine, ci exact pe dos, pentru ca el a interpretat anapoda. Daca e asa de intelegator nu vom avea probleme chiar sa colaboram daca vrea in viitor. Te salut Ronline!

Municipiul in Hungarian

Hi, we talked about "municipiul" in the Hungarian Wikipedia. The term for municipiul can be "megyei jogú város" or especially in Transylvania "municípium", which is a loan-word.
But in Hungarian we do not use it in the name of the towns, it is too formal so we think that it would be better to mention it in comments. -nagytibi ^{! ?} 21:39, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

It is OK just to list the Hungarian name of the city without "municípium". Just simple the name of the town nothing else. -nagytibi ^{! ?} 19:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Lăutari

When you get a chance, could you take a look at Lupu's recent edits to Lăutari and his remarks on the talk page? This is a topic where, while not clueless, I am certainly not expert. I am suspicious of what seems to amount to a claim of "the Gypsies have no musical culture of their own", and his strident, argumentative tone on the talk page certainly does not increase my confidence that he actually knows his stuff. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Lăutari is indeed an umbrella term for Romanian traditional musicians which play string instruments, it being a traditional term for a violonist and other string players. However, most lăutari today are Roma, and for that reason lăutar music has significant Romani influences. The reason is because of Roma peoples' affinity for music, which has resulted in many lăutar tarafs, such as Taraful Haiducilor, to be acclaimed worldwide. Indeed, many lăutari combine elements of Romanian and Roma music.

The taraf band which lăutari group in is today often synonomised with a "gypsy band" (i.e. Roma band), even though the original meaning is a band of traditional lăutari. The Romanian Explicative Dictionary DEX has a definition of lăutari. Personally, I'm not an expert on Romanian traditional customs (I come from the city :) so it would probably be better to ask someone else for a more expert opinion. In fact, I've placed the expert tag on the article. Ronline 04:35, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for having a look. Sounds like you and I are pretty much in the same boat on this. I was exactly once at a Romanian wedding traditional enough to have lăutari performing. I've seen Taraful Haiducilor twice: once in Barcelona in 1996 at a festival, where they totally blew away everything else on the bill, and once in Bucharest in 2002 at the Sala Palatului. I believe those are the only three times I've been in the presence of performers who can properly be called lăutari, as against just people performing traditional Romanian/Gypsy music. But I've been exposed to a lot of Gypsy music from a lot of parts of Europe, and there are certain aspects of the music of the lăutari that I would expect to be Rroma in origin rather than Romanian: certain aspects of violin technique, the very dissonant approach to the ţimbalum, etc. The one player of this music I've ever discussed this with, Constantin Pârvulescu of the Seattle-based Ensemble Sub Masă, considers what he plays to be Gypsy music, although he is an ethnic Romanian. In short, I'm not clueless, not expert, and I'm very suspicious of edits accompanied by vehement comments suggesting that the several other people who have, over time, built up an article are pig-ignorant.

Yes, the {{expert}} tag is a good idea there. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA for Halibutt

Salut! In case you are unaware, Halibutt is going through the administrator vote process. I believe that any input you could provide would be valued. La revedere! (the extent of my Romanian knowledge as per its article) :-P Olessi 19:33, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh God! You are so good!

Thank you Ronline. I agree with your last proposal to Moldovan language. Actually I've allready made the change. But the way you argument, the way you describe and the way you defend the truth is remarkable. It is so good to have an Administrator like you.

Thankx. I agree with you. If you can protect the page in this form it will be good. Am citit ce mi-ai scris. O sa avem succes bine inteles. Imi pare bine sa te cunosc.

De acord!

Eu spun să facă el editari prin Mikka! nu noi pentru ca suntem mai multi si avem si dreptatea de partea noastra. Plus nu avem de ce sa ne lasam la copilul acela.

Actually

He put the wrong tag on it on top of everything else he did. It was not for vandalism, it was for an edit war. 2 different things. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 10:54, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

You may support the action Vandalism in Progress against Node ue

Oh Yes! Support now!

You may support the Vandalism in Progress against Node

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_in_progress/IP_Severe#November_2005

Maybe so will he will learn to cooperate first.

proposal

I would like to propose you as administrator in English Wikipedia. How can we do this if you agree?

-His idea is good I support you if you want to. Just let me know.  Bonaparte  talk & contribs

Bucharest

Salut, I have some photos of some tramways in Bucharest, which I made a year ago. They are with the tramway 32, an average looking one (not the fancy 42, but not the orther craps). I also have a photo of an dual way tramway, but I think everyone knows very well the state in which those trams are and I don't think its an apropriate looking one. I'll try to upload one of them as soon as possible, mabye I could send you the tree photos to decide which to use. -- Mihai 12:16, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I've sent by mail the three photos i've got. I made them in succesion, so I also have slightly diferent angles of each of them if needed. If you think they are apropriate and can be useful, let me know and I'll upload (after the new installation has finished).-- Mihai 12:27, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I've uploaded one picture of the tram, Image:Tramway_32_Buc.JPG. Feel free to use it. -Orioane 08:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

cool!

Vad ca esti si tu libertarian, asa ca si mine! Cand e vorba de impozit, sunt moderat, dar altfel, sunt libertarian! Unde traiesti? In Germania? --Anittas 05:02, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Oops, am scris moderator in loc de moderat. In fine. Am crezut ca stai in Germania pentru ca am vazut ca vorbesti limba germana. De fapt, multi romani din Transilvania vorbesc germana. --Anittas 08:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Ronline for Admin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Ronline and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Ronline. You have been nominated to be Administrator for English Wikipedia. Bonaparte  talk & contribs

Ronline you have to accept the nomination in order to add again the request for admin. Hai ca avem nevoie de tine!  Bonaparte  talk & contribs

Bucharest, again

Hi Joe! I've drawn up a list of stuff to do to Bucharest at Talk:Bucharest. Feel free to add anything there that you'd like to see in the article or that should be fixed up. Once again, thanks for everything you've done! Ronline 09:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

• Yes, saw that, I think it's an excellent list, I'll keep helping out there, although about now I'm calling it a night (it's 01:15 here). -- Jmabel | Talk 09:14, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Email id

The reason behind me opposing is that an admin should be approachable by any user. Stuff which goes on here is logged, and thus there there are times which necessitates private communication. Also if you ever do block a user, s/he has the right to contact you via email. Hope this brief reply suffices. =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Intrebari

1. De ce nu ai fost in Iasi? Iasul e considerat ca Vatra Romanesca; e Mecka romanilor. Toti ar trebui sa-l viziteze si sa-l admire! Nu te costa mult. Doar tre' sa iei trenul si atata! Ce scuza ai pentru nu a fi vizitat Iasul?

2. Tu esti impotriva unui unire intre Ro si Mo? Cum naiba? Atatia romani au varsat sange pentru Basarabia, iar acuma, voi oameni moderni, va plangeti ca Mo e saraca si ca ar costa prea mult. Nu! Asta e propaganda Bucurestiului. Nu conteaza cat ar costa!

PS: Majoritatea Bucurestenilor sunt niste escroci. Degeaba iti pierzi timpul cu articolul despre Bucuresti. Iar capitala Romaniei ar trebui sa fie Iasi. --Anittas 12:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Am trecut prin Oradea odata; nu a fost cine stie ce. Am fost in Arad de doua ori si am vazut orfani care vai de capul lor. Asa ca si in Bucuresti. Arad nu e oras prea mare, dar avea orfani care se drogau cu pungele alea...

Asa ceva nu gasesti in Moldova. Da, Bucurestiul este mare buric acuma, dupa ce a furat din toata tara ca sa se dezvolteze. Acuma nu le doare nici in --- de Moldova. Plus ca bucurestenii sunt oameni aroganti. Majoritatea din ei. Orasele din Transilvania sunt construite de Austrieni si ungari; si de romani. Iasul e cu totul romanesc. Braila a fost construita de turci, rusi si romani. Iasul numai si numai de romani! Bucurestiul a furat. Asta e. Stefan cel Mare a gresit cand a cucerit Bucurestiul si ia dat foc. Trebuia sa-i dea foc, iar dupa aceaia sa dea cu plugul prin sare, cum au facut romanii cu Carthage. :D --Anittas 12:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Este adevarat ca nordul Moldovei este cea mai saraca regiune din tara, dar totusi se mentine regiunea. Parcurile sunt ingrijite in judete iar copii de strada nu exista. Sunt cersatori si in unele locuri (Dorohoi, Saveni) strazile sunt ca vai de capul lor, iar unele grupuri de tigani o duc greu, dar nu avem copii de strada. In loc, avem caini de strada. Moldovenii sunt cei mai sufletisti. Ar sa se ridice si Moldova, fara ajutor de la Bucuresti. O firma din Austria investeste 600 milioane de Euro in judetul Suceava, iar Iasul se duce tot inaine. --Anittas 07:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

La tradatori nu am fost. In '90, majoritatea care au plecat in strainatate au fost Munteni si romani din Transilvania. Din 2000 incoace, au inceput si moldovenii sa plece. Si de ce nu? Daca mareata noastra de capitala nu ofera conditii de trai, omul pleaca. Da, stiu ca Bucuresti da bani, si de asta ei tot ne scot ochii: ca ne da, ca ne da. Nu conteaza. Mai mult au luat. As spune eu mai multe, dar deocamdata, ajunge.

Cateva linkuri:

• Femeile de Iasi
• Wallachian-Ottoman alliance
• Aere de Bucuresti
• My idea (On rise of Iasi)

) --Anittas 08:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: questions for admin

Ronline, question #6 is indeed serious business. If you are involved in a dispute at that article, and then you protect it, for whatever reason, people will think that you protected the version you like most. I think in that case you better ask a third party to protect it. I know that this is not what you meant, but nevertheless. So I guess you need to fix that as Alai said. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:14, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the speedy reply. Talk about fast service. :) I'm not completely reassured, though. The question posed by Node was, "As an admin, I'm assuming that you wouldn't use admin privileges in disputes you were actively involved in." Not, "should admin powers be used" (no-one says you can't ask (another) admin to look at a dispute you're involved in), but would you use admin powers in a dispute you were actively involved with. At the risk of coaching, model answer is "no, I absolutely would not!". Good luck arriving there or thereabouts. Alai 04:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Judgements about what's "vandalism" and what's "clearly" a 3RR violation may be less clear-cut than you think, or certainly, may not appear the same way to others. If it's really "simple vandalism", then it shouldn't need to be couched as a caveat to what you'd do in an "active dispute". If it's a revert war, and you're one of the people reverting "back", that's a clear conflict of interest. Did you read the policy links I pointed you do? Using admin powers as a party to a dispute is "blatantly and objectively against policy", regardless of your (presumably good) intentions in doing so. Alai 04:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, getting there! I still have the same concern about the 3RR, however. If you're one of the "re-reverters", or otherwise involved in the dispute at hand that gave rise to the reverting, much better, and a pretty well-established practice, to report the incident, and let a clearly uninvolved admin make the call. (Note I'm not suggesting that if you've ever edited an article, you can never touch it as an admin; that'd be silly.) I do appreciate your efforts at addressing these concerns, however. Alai 05:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks again. I hope I haven't seemed too nagging or over-picky about this; I want to again stress I'm not saying this on the basis of any bad impression I've had of you, far from it; I just don't want to set a bad precedent by endorsing (or even, failing to oppose) any inadvertent apparent weaking of the "Caeser's wife" policy on dispute-involved admins. Alai 05:25, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Bucharest

I recorded and added the pronunciation you needed for the article on Bucharest. The article seems to be rapidly progressing toward getting the featured status. Good luck! --AdiJapan 10:19, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Iasi

Cool, mersi. Poti sa o adaugi; sau daca nu, am sa o adaug eu cand am timp, saptamana ce vine. Daca vizitezi Palatul, cred ca o sa-ti trebuiasca cel putin 12 ore ca sa vezi totul. Are cea mai mare colectie de arta din Romania si de multe ori este comparat cu Louvre - dar stil romanesc. In gradina botanica ti-ar lua cam cel putin 4 ore ca sa vezi totul (cea mai mare din tara - inainte a fost in Dobrogea de sud, dar Bulgarii ne-au halito aia); iar culburi si distractii sunt destule pentru ca sunt multi studenti. Ne mai auzim. Toate bune. --Anittas 10:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Isn't it this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluj-Napoca_Botanical_Garden the first in Romania?  Bonaparte  talk & contribs

I don't know if it's the first, but I read that the one in Iasi is the biggest one; I also think it's the first one. You guys were under Hungarian rule when we planted our flowers in Iasi. ;) I know that Queen Marie built a huge botanic garden in Balchik, but now it's in Bulgaria. The Bulgarians, however, are cool about it. They've give us the credit for building it, etc. --Anittas 12:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the photo, Ron. You can also add it to the Romanian article, in the gallery section. See talk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Romania#Photos --Anittas 12:11, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Daco-Romanian

About your edit to the Aromanian language, have you read the talk page first? You may have missed this: Talk:Aromanian language#Daco-Romanian or Romanian?. Romanian dictionaries say that Aromanian is in fact a dialect of Romanian. I cannot say that I agree or disagree with this, but our articles must take into consideration both (all) viewpoints. Frankly, I don't have a solution. --AdiJapan 10:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Sergiu Nicolaescu

Hi. I left a message on the Sergiu Nicolaescu talk page. Since you are a Romanian admin you might be interested. If not, sorry. - AdamSmithee 10:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Poza Bucuresti

Salut, Vezi ca acum cateva zile cineva (User:Mihaichirila) si-a bagat nasul prin articolul legat de Bucuresti si a schimbat 2 poze. Am pus inapoi pozele originale, dar cred ca merita sa te uiti un pic si peste pozele folosite de respectivul adica: Image:Buc2.jpg (Asta mi se pare OK) si Image:Buc1.jpg. E o mica problema, nu au Copyright momentan. --Orioane 10:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Prima poza este facuta din Piata Unirii la un moment dat cand nustiu ce festival era, si aia se voia o nava din Grecia Antica. Oricum, e haios contrastul, cu blocul ala din spate, care e Camera de Comert si Industrie a Romaniei. As fi vrut sa il intreb pe individ de unde are pozele ca sa le putem adauga un Copyright, dar vad ca nu prea are activitate. Despre arhitectura, am adaugat pe pagina de Talk de la Bucuresti un set de idei care mi-au venit si te las pe tine sa alegi care ti se par interesante si merita adaugate. Cam atat --Orioane 23:07, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Bucharest

Ronline, actually I've only been to Bucharest once, but it was to live and work there for half a year. And I certainly plan to get back there. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Historical

Thanks for correcting "historical" into "historic" multiple times! I'm really used to writing "historical" even though, like "economical", it isn't really correct in all contexts. I've just become so used to it that I don't realise it when I'm writing... I should pay more attention, though :) It's strange, though, that even most dictionaries seem to regard the two as synonyms. Ronline: National Day of Romania 1 December 16 years of freedom and loving it! 09:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The difference is really subtle, too, and I've heard native speakers get it (what I would consider) wrong. I hope I won't be seen as condescending to spell it out, and I imagine you may have occasion to need to explain this one some time, yourself. "Historical" can often have the same sense as the Romanian fost/fostul, so "the historical Lipscani neighborhood" would suggest that it is no longer there or has been renamed, and "the historical telephone building" would be a slightly over-erudite way to say that it has now been turned to other uses (a less pretentious wording being "the former telephone building"). "Historical" can also mean "pertaining to history": "Taking an historical view…". Whereas "historic" means "having historical importance", so Lipscani is an historic neighborhood, not an historical one. -- Jmabel | Talk

You're a sysop!

Hi, Ronline/Archive 1, Congratulations on Becoming a Sysop

Hey there. I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator! You've volunteered to do housekeeping duties that normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops can't do a lot of stuff: They can't delete pages just like that (except patent nonsense like "aojt9085yu8;3ou"), and they can't protect pages in an edit war they are involved in. But they can delete random junk, ban anonymous vandals, delete pages listed on Votes for deletion (provided there's a consensus) for more than one week, protect pages when asked to, and keep the few protected pages that exist on Wikipedia up to date.

Almost anything you can do can be undone, but please take a look at The Administrators' how-to guide and the Administrators' reading list before you get started (although you should have read that during your candidacy ;). Take a look before experimenting with your powers. Also, please add Administrators' noticeboard to your watchlist, as there are always discussions/requests for admins there. If you have any questions drop me a message at My talk page. Have fun! =Nichalp «Talk»=

Please also add your name to WP:LA =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:03, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

in sfarsit!

Esti tare Ronline. -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 23:16, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Alexander for Admin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Alexander_007 ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Alexander_007 . I've nominated User:Alexander_007 as admin. Let's vote for him! -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 14:02, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Our forum

Welcome to the Romanian Wikipedia notice board! This page is a portal for all Romanian-related topics and a place for Romanian editors to gather and socialize and debate. Discussions are encouraged, in both English and Romanian. Post any inquiry under their relevant cathegory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Romanian_Wikipedian%27s_notice_board

--Anittas 17:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Orioaneeee

Mersi mult, dar ca sa zic asa, m-ai luat pe nepregatite. :D. Tre s ama gandesc si sa ma ocup un pic de una alta ca sa am o candidatura serioasa, daca simt ca nu pot face fata, sper ca nu te vei supara daca voi refuza (in principiu as dori sa devin sysop, dar tre sa ma conving ca merit :D). In alta ordine de idei, vezi ca am adaugat niste chestii pe pagina de talk de la Bucuresti, si astept parerea ta. --Orioane 10:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Sig

Hi! Firstly, congrats on becoming an admin. Secondly - just out of curiosity, might it be that your current sig is inspired by mine (or the one I had before this one)? ;) Not that I disapprove of it, I'm just curious. Cheers! ナイトスタリオン ✉ 19:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Limba Română-versiunea eng

Ronline, bună. Mergând la pagina cu limba româna(versiunea Engleză) mi-am dat seama că avea o hartă destul de suspectă şi incorectă cu graiurile româneşti. Am refăcut harta. Poţi s-o vezi aici http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Romania_Graiuri-mod2.jpg.

Spune-mi şi mie parerea ta.Constantzeanu 00:01, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Discutie in privat

Salut Ronline,

As vrea sa schimbam cateva mail-uri in privat. Unde iti pot scrie?

Numai bine, User:Dpotop

Vot impotriva lui Node

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Moldovan_language#Vote_for_limiting_user.27s_Node_ue_ability_to_edit_the_article_about_Moldovan_language -- Bonaparte talk 19:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Orioane's RfA

Salut Ronline! Mulţumesc mult pentru nominalizare, a trecut fără nici un vot negativ sau abţineri (spre bucuria mea) şi în total am adunat 28 de voturi. Sunt acum şi eu administrator, cu ajutorul tău nepreţuit. Până una alta, deoarece voi pleca acasă şi nu prea voi fi disponibil în următoarele săptămâni, îţi urez "Crăciun Fericit" şi "La Mulţi Ani!" şi ne vedem la anul, sper cu un articol despre Bucureşti cu o steluţă lângă ;). Mihai -^talk 21:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of 'liberal wikipedians' category

Hi. I saw you're (like me) listed in this category which is up for deletion. Hoped you'd like to vote in favor of keeping it... Thanks! Larix 02:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Larix 02:49, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Mungiu-Pippidi

Hi. Just to let you know that there is now an article on Alina Mungiu-Pippidi, her Romanian Academic Society and The Evangelists. Ronline ✉ 07:07, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. In fact, I'd already watchlisted them avant la lettre. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:10, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Flag of Romania

Hello. I notice your using the Flag of Romania in your signature, which I drew. While I am glad of that, I just wish to ask you if the colors of the flag are accurate. If not, please tell me which colors are prescribed, by law. Thank you. Zach]] 07:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi - I noticed the same, and was wondering how you do it! I've been trying to get File:Anglo-indian.jpg next to my name by default and I can't seem to manage it... any help? Deano 21:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks very much, and have a good Christmas! File:Anglo-indian.jpg Deano 10:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

About stable versions of articles

You argued very passionatly and convincingly against stable article versions in Wikipedia_talk:Stable_versions, but it seems you weren't really heard. I'd just like to say that I think you're fighting for an important cause, and strongly second what you said there. I hope this case gets major attention and a big public vote before we decide, and isn't passed and implemented without most users having heard about it before it is too late. Amaurea 22:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

It is nice to see the attention this is getting on the mailing list. Do you know if there is a way to reply to a message in the mailing list without breaking the tread structure if that message was sent before one joined the list? Do you think it would be possible to organize a visible vote about this somewhere (as visible as the fund drive would be nice)? Edit: I just simulated a vote by looking at the positions of the people on the mailing list, and its ~3 against ~7 there, so we're set to lose as it is now. The opposition seems to not understand that our readers are our editors, since they keep trying to make one version for readers, and one for editors. Amaurea 11:48, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I've written a short piece arguing for the wiki nature of Wikipedia on my user page. I'm not a good writer, but perhaps something like that could be used in the debate. I'm afraid it might be to long and unstructured, though. Amaurea 18:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Culture of Romania

Salut,

Mersi de apreciere pentru articol. Problema este ca inca mai trebuie sa lucrez la el, la ultimele sectiuni in principal, si sa sistematizez notele si referintele. Acum sunt in vacanta, si ma voi reapuca de treaba la inceputul lui Ianuarie.

--Mihai -^talk 09:39, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Summary

When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labelled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this:

The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature.

When you leave the edit summary blank, some of your edits could be mistaken for vandalism and may be reverted, so please always briefly summarize your edits, especially when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you.

JoaoRicardo^talk 00:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Anittas

Anittas is now saying in so many words that "Romanian hegemonism is justified" in dealing with the article on the Republic of Moldova. Ronline, if none of the Romanians will face him down on this, he can basically claim to be speaking for the lot of you, and nothing I can say will make any difference. I think that what he is saying is appalling, but it is clear that he could not care less what I think. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:56, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

That's right. Romania should influence R. of Moldova and even encourage them to reunite with us. What's your problem? It's our right. --Anittas 02:28, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Agree with Anittas. We have our interests. Romanian one. Bonaparte talk 11:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar :) I too think there should be more of these categories, not less. With that idea in mind, I created the category:humanist wikipedians a few days ago. I read the stable articles proposal and agree that it's not a good idea. I commented on the proposal's talk page, and will follow the rest of the discussion. Thanks for telling me about it!Larix 14:59, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

La mai mare Ronline :) !

La Multi Ani! ;) Bonaparte talk 11:39, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Khotyn

FYI, you should not edit Khotyn while it is protected. If it is no longer protected, then please remove the message, otherwise it would be appropirate to revert yourself. -- Chris 73 | Talk 08:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Agree with unprotection, but next time first unprotect and then edit (I assume you missed the statement) Happy editing -- Chris 73 | Talk 08:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Political/religious categories and userboxes.... again

Hi Ronline! Sorry to disturb you again about this. But the debate wether those categories are factionalizing or not seems to go on and on, on several places. I'm hoping to find everyone who has a positive view about those categories and userboxes. But I'm reluctant to start talking to many users all at once, because of the charges I was faced with the last time. Would you be interested in helping me? Because I think it's easier when there are several people "canvassing". I've made a template users can put on their user page if they support our view; hope you like it... {{User freedom}} Hope to hear from you; afterwards, I'll contact the others who showed some enthousiasm when helping me. Regards, Larix 16:32, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

• Great, thanks! That will surely help a lot :) I think a good way to start is monitoring templates for deletion and categories for deletion, since that's the place where the userboxes and user categories are nominated. When people seem to support our point, we can offer them the user freedom template (unless the offer is allready on their user page). Then it will be easy to find them. BTW, I still have to ask the others from the category:wikipedians by politics debate. We could ask the people listed in category:wikipedians by religion as well. But first tell me what you think of this strategy, and perhaps wether you have other ideas. Thanks again for helping! Larix 13:10, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

There is a debate about making a policy about this: Wikipedia:Proposed_policy_on_userboxes Larix 09:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Bucharest

Sorry you didn't get FA :( I didn't realise it was up otherwise I would have voted support. Let me know next time you put it up. - FrancisTyers 22:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Ombudsman

Ombudsmen have proven their worth in real life, and I think they sound like a good idea here too. I am a bit unsure about having only 1 of them, though. It might suffice now, but Wikipedia will become too big for that eventually if the current growth continues. But then, the rules could be changed if that happenes. The structure of the article looks nice and clean, and I can't think of anything to be added. Amaurea 09:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

24.251.68.75 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) -- Bonaparte talk 13:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Mikkalai

I looked at the reverts Mikka did on Anti-Romanian discrimination, they seem to me to be honest reverts of persistent POV vandalism by an anonymous editor. Was it your call? If so could I urge you to look again, please? - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 21:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Wise words

Very wise words at Wikipedia:Romanian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Apel. I think I'm staying out of that discussion, given that it seems to be an "inside" conversation among Romanians. But I certainly agree that positive contributions rather than crude propaganda are how Romania and Romanians are liable to gain respect. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:57, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Joe! Thanks for your comments! Hopefully the current state of crisis that the Romanian Wikipedia community finds itself in can be overcome. Maybe something like a group mediation session would be good. Ronline ✉ 07:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Have you ever considered doing a meetup there? I realize that you folks are pretty geographically scattered, but I also gather that more than a few of you are in Bucharest (and I imagine that would be "striking distance" for many of the others if someone is in a position to offer crash space: I gather that a lot of the contributors are young enough that even a floor to camp on would probably be fine). Certain things are a lot better talked out face to face. Even without comparable issues, we are on the verge of doing our third face-to-face in Seattle, and the first two were very productive. Best of luck, in any case. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Most of us are not in Romania Joe! So, is much easier direct on-line here by internet :) -- Bonaparte talk 21:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Noticeboard

Salut Ronline,

How is your new year so far?

What I would like to discuss is the Romanian noticeboard. As mentioned by both Izehar and Mikkalai on User talk:Mikkalai, it has become a den of hatred, where trolls can let their hate flow freely from their fingertips.

The content there is very much nationalistic, encouraging people to participate in revert wars, and the like. If you will check other nations' noticeboards (UK, Canada, Hong Kong, France are some good examples), you will notice that they have nothing like that there. Their noticeboards are almost exclusively "Hey guys, I started this project..." or "Hey guys, I found this stub...", and never "Hey guys, come help me revert the vandalism of the Russian vandals..."

The reason I brought it up here is because I think that you should be able to control it, somehow. Given that much of the posts to the noticeboard are actually against policy, they should be either condemned or removed. Hopefully, in the future, it will become a constructive area for Romanians to discuss issues rather than unleash hatred.

...because currently, it paints a very unimpressive picture of Romanians, which I know is not accurate. --Node 01:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Neither Mikka, nor you, understand Romanian. You are bluffing. I don't see where we violate the policy. We speak our mind, that's all. Don't like it? Tough deal. --Anittas 03:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Romania/New_article_announcements

Salut Ronline :) Do you know about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Romania/New_article_announcements

Bonaparte talk 07:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

pagini problema http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Demographics_of_Ukraine&diff=33476808&oldid=33476572 -- Bonaparte talk 08:05, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

User categories about beliefs to be prohibited

Hi, there is a vote going on about wether it should be allowed to list yourself in a POV category. It's basically the same question as when they wanted to delete 'wikipedians by politics' but now they want to make it policy. this is the link: Wikipedia:Proposed_policy_on_userboxes#Comments_and_Voting Please vote! Larix 20:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it became a very confusing page as the deletionists started one proposal after the other and then merged them without consulting the people that had voted. When asked about it they would give ignorant & arrogant responses. The page has therefore been recreated by another user. There is no proposal to vote for or against anymore, there is just discussion. I'm going to monitor the page to defend both user categories and userboxes. I could use every support. :) Larix 09:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Smart adminship

I already had a chance to remark that I consider your shameless promotion of Romanian nationalism disgusting. The coverage of Romanian topics in this project is scarce, especially compared to the Russian and Polish segments. Instead of improving the standard of that coverage and keeping your pet nationalist trolls at bay, you chose to scare from editing User:Mikkalai, who made more than 50,000 edits to this project but has a misfortune of not sharing your nationalist mythology. That block has been your greatest "contribution" to this project so far. If you envy the reputation of Herostratus, please change your name appropriately. Your low edit count allows you to do it at any time. --Ghirla | talk 23:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Mikkalai has made more edits than all the Romanian editors taken together, and you know it. Your cronies have long tried to "neutralize" him, and you know this too. Your block of one of the greatest wikipedians while defending your own nation's anon trolls was clearly a backstab intended to scandalise the community. Since you were promoted less than a month ago and still don't know a difference between blocking and banning, you should have asked advise from some more experienced admins than yourself. Also, your rabid nationalist message on my talk page makes it clear that you were a party to the dispute and not neutral at all. Therefore, your actions in support of POV-pushing trolls who spread Romanian nationalist mythology across this project were a clear instance of admin privileges abuse. I will think how the community may best censure your disruptive actions, probably defrocking procedures against yourself would be the best option, and quite instructive for other nationalists too. --Ghirla | talk 21:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Ronline, I would like to add to what I wrote at Mikka's talk, he later deleted it, and to what Ghirla wrote to you. I am prompted to speak at your talk by your response at Ghirla's.

Alex's ref about removing the POV tags was related not to your blocking of Mikka but to different reverts for which Ghirla was blocked himself. You can speak up, if you still think that removal of POV tag is vandalism as you have said, because restoring the tag was what Ghirla was blocked for.

As for your blocking Mikka, note that he was reverting the obvious anon trolls, which may or may not be Bonaparte's and Anittas' socks, which I don't care much. These trolls were reverting without explanations my edits to the disgusting Antiromanianism article, which I was trying to NPOV somewhat. Trolls (or troll) was simply reverting my every attempt to edit it with the sole purpose to provoke one of their "enemies" into a 3RR which the anon account immediately reported, which speaks, IMO, that this anon was some experienced wikipedia user. That the alternating Australian, Chinese and Taiwanese IPs where used, probably means that the user were using the open proxies. The subtle summaries used to undo my extensive and sensible edits such as "rv test" also speak about the anon's familiarity with wikipedia. When the troll reported Mikka, you were there to block him. Mikka did not overstep but underused his admin privileges. He should have just blocked the anon IPs and this would have been over.

The anons (or anon) where active at the 3RR board at the same time speaking about myself, Ghirla and Mikka. You can check the board history for that day. You may never apologize for your actions but this story can be easily checked and if you now feel like saying something to Mikka, better late than never. --Irpen 08:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Irpen. Thanks for contacting me. Firstly, I think you're making a bit of conspiracy of the whole case here. I don't know what you're trying to get at - either that I was the person who did the reverting and then logged in to block Mikka, or I was tipped off by one of the trolls as part of a conspiracy to block Mikka, I really don't know. But I assure you that nothing of the kind took place. The way I got to WP:ANI was by looking at Bonaparte and Anittas' contributions - which I often do, to check for any problems - and I got to WP:ANI/3RR's entry on Ghirlandajo and Anittas. And there, at the bottom of the page, was the entry on Mikka. And indeed, there was a 3RR breach.

As to the legality of blocking him under 3RR - Mikka had no right to block the "trolls". It was an edit war, and both Mikka and the "trolls" were equal players. That you personally think the article version that the "trolls" were reverting to is "disgusting" (the disgusting Antiromanianism article) is your personal opinion. I appreciate that you tried to NPOV it. However, Mikka should not have reverted that many times, since he knew about the 3RR. As to Ghirlandajo's block, if Ghirla was simply reverting the deletion of a disputed tag, he should not have been blocked. Finally, I'd like to tell all of you that this case has been blown out of proportion. Everyone is suspecting things, getting offended, etc. It shouldn't be that way, really. 3RR bans are for 24 hours, they're not a big deal and as I've always said, they're not a judgement call. I don't see why I should apologise to him. I'm someone who believes very much in checks and balances and despises abuses of power, as you can see at my talk page and my Wikipedia:Ombudsman proposal. So, I thought about the case before I blocked him. I don't see why I should apologise for fairly enforcing a Wikipedia policy. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 08:56, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I am not saying there was a conspiracy in which you were deliberately involved. I am saying that keeping pet trolls by established contributors is a bad practice. The anons were obviously sock accounts and 3RR, while an important policy isn't a holy cow. The policy used the word "discretion" for reason. And the reason is to remember some common sense too. The problem is not that this was Saint Mikkalai, but these were socks using anon proxies. That you were dealing with Mikka should have prompted you to look at the matter. That you didn't was probably because you were not that unbiased yourself.

I was amazed that neither you nor Bogdan acted when the new cycle of trolling by Anitas and Bonaparte started. And it took me to email Jmabel to have something done to stop the Romanian board from being a place of disgusting talk, while you were just looking at that. I firmly beleive that trolls put shame on the entire community and their compatriots should curb them before they stain the reputation of the entire side of the topical disputes. I told so to the Polish editors about their certain compatriots. A Ukrainian community was the one who finally stopped AndriyK, btw.

When those guys continue that, it should have been you and Bogdan, not Mikka, Ghirla and myself who would deal with them first. Re your "Mikka should not have reverted that many times", yes, he should have just blocked the IP's. Look at the edits of December 31 (and this is repeating this very minute with at this very article btw). I am amazed that you feel self-righteous here. Mikka is not the holy cow, but throwing a block at him, should have been taken seriously. I hope he will change his mind about leaving despite your lack of apology. --Irpen 09:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and you are welcome to tell Ghirla and to the admin who blocked him that restoration of the tag isn't a 3RR. --Irpen 09:25, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

The fact that I was dealing with Mikka - who so far has acted neutrally - did make me review the case before blocking. However, just because the users were IPs didn't mean that they didn't have the right to edit pages and participate in revert wars, and according to the hard facts, none of the IPs broke the 3RR. I wasn't in a position to determine that [whether the IPs broke 3RR], at least. Mikka, however, had been launching quite harsh attacks on these "trolls" in the past few days, and I believe that a lot of his blocking activity has been quite unjustified. That is why, when I blocked Mikka, I told him very nicely that this was not a judgement call and that if he felt he was being hard done by, he could contact me through e-mail. He didn't do that; instead, he went and starting posting things like "fuck you all" on his talk page. While I regret the fact that he's leaving, I don't feel guilty in any way, since I applied what the 3RR is designed for - preventing edit wars.

As to the Romanian Wikipedia notice board, it isn't as digusting as you potray it. Anittas and Bonaparte only wrote messages that explained the situation, their only mistake being that they did use very undiplomatic language. However, it would've been like saying at the Russian noticeboard "look, Romanian contributors are adding POV info to the Red Army article" or something like that. I agree that the language used there was inflammatory, however, it wasn't something that they deserved to be blocked for or anything like that, particularly because Anittas wrote that in response to the dispute at Khotyn, in which Ghirlandajo acted quite rudely and undiplomatically. In response to their new year message on that board (1, I did tell them that it was necessary not to involve themselves in these types of disputes. And my message at the noticeboard's talk page supported any translation, in fact, I said I would do the translating.

Finally, I will, as I have always done, watch over the edits of other Romanian contributors. There are many times where I signalled POV tendencies - see Talk:Székelys of Bukovina. I will talk to David Levy about Ghirlandajo's block. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 10:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

As for your not feeling guilty I said it all. You can't possibly compensate Mikka's departure by keeping bonapartes at bay, but by your doing it, at least, you will do something useful unlike blocking the most respectable editor in E. European topics whose only fault here was not being decisive enough dealing with vandals who edited through anonymous open proxies. --Irpen 16:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Who knows I may become the best Wikipedian ever...I have good models that until now have taken me :) like Jmabel, Bogdangiusca and others, still let's be modest :), so don't you worry in every romanian there is a Bonparte. If one's gone will appear another...This is called simply life Bonaparte talk 19:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte, if this ever happens, that you become not even the best, but an editor who can simply pass through an Adminship nomination scrutiny, I pledge to send a bottle of Cognac or Ţuică (your choice) to the postal address that I will request from you to send me by email at that time (do not send it to me now, please). In view of your past history here as well as considering the fact that adult people rarely change dramatically, I think I am totally safe from incurring any expenses due to this pledge. But if I am wrong, I would be happy to pay this modest amount for the sake of the common good. --Irpen 20:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

On a side note, RfC changes nothing here. Halibutt 02:00, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

On a side note, in User_talk:Halibutt#New_Black_Book I wrote more in the subject of starting to clean up the world from our own backyard. This goes around the same topic I wrote to you earlier. --Irpen 03:16, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Romanian capital market

Hello Ronline, if you have time please look at this article. Bonaparte talk 21:34, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Xenaphon

Hi. User:Xenaphon has been blocked for a comment he gave on Tony Sidaway's page. As an outsider in this, I feel this is not reasonable at all, and would like an admin to give it a look. Please would you? Larix 11:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

My Request for Adminship

Hey man, thanks a lot for voting in my RfA, I got it! :) If you need anything, just give me a shout. Multumesc! -

Xenaphon

Hi Ronline. What got you interested in this block? I'm surprised you didn't ask about the block of Xenophon of Ephesus as well. Jayjg ^(talk) 14:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

It was a userid created specifically for revert warring on a specific page (as was the other); as such, they were clearly sockpuppets created to violate policy. Jayjg ^(talk) 03:55, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Mana in mana

Sunteti toti mana in mana ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Oleg_Alexandrov/Node_ue

--Anittas 14:25, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Arbcom candidate userbox

Greetings. I've made a new userbox for arbcom candidates to show on their userpages so that visiters will know they're running.

{{User arbcom nom}}

If you'd like to place it on your userpage, feel free. Regards, – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 02:29, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks. WikiThanks.

I would like to express my thanks to all the good people who spent their valuable time time and effort working on my (failed) RfA voting. Especially for those who actually voted to support me :). I am specially gratefull for your vote as had valid reasons to be upset with my talk and might have some peer pressure. Lets move on and make together our Wikipedia an even greater place. If I can help in anything - references in the field of my expertise, mediation, you name it - I would be happy to help abakharev 09:49, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

RfAr

Yes Ronline,

I would support an RfAr.

I think you should also include the fact that on the very talkpage of his own RfC, he made personal attacks. That seems very indicative of his type of personality and of the fact that he doesn't intend to clean up his act anytime soon. --Node 07:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I think you should give Anittas one last chance, as this latest outburst of his came as a response to a proviking comment made by Node on the Moldovan Wikipedia election page, and because he since then has got a 24 hour block that should allow him to cool down. And also, from what I read on his talk page, you seemed to achieve some sort of dialogue with him about changing the content on his user page, indicating that he can actually be willing to listen to sound advice. Anclation 10:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't quite see from the several recent posts at User talk:Anittas that the block taught him anything. Ronline, I replied on my talk page about the RfArb. I would support one if you are willing to go for it. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:43, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Third World vote

Got your message. Looking back at the vote, I've had second thoughts and think that you're probably right in that the category was too broad, so I changed my vote accordingly. --Bletch 13:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Committee

Hi Ronline,

in the apparent absence of our chairman, allow me to welcome you to the Mediation Committee. Please make sure you have read and understood Wikipedia:Mediation, and you'll figure out the rest as you go along. If you could add your email address or link to {{Medcom}}, I'd be grateful, and you can also join the not-very-active mailing list.

Congratulations on your vote! — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 15:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte comment

Hai ma Ronline, chiar asa? Bonaparte a vorbit frumos cand ti-a scris cateva email-uri, si asta e un motiv suficient sa fie deblocat? Postul tau evident nu va fi luat in serios. Si sper ca inca nu ai uitat ca el vota cu mai multe conturi pentru administraor, care din punctul meu de vedere inseamna ca Bonaparte nu are nici o onoare. Si sa stii ca cineva care a cazut asa departe nu este usor de reeducat. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

So you are antiblock you say? Ronline, a big problem of Wikipedia is that there are a few (like Bonaparte) who are wasting the time of the many. A few trolls who are a drain of resourses. Even if they may make some good contributions, removing them from Wikipedia will be much more gain than loss.

And don't you follow WP:AN/I? Bonaparte is world-famous. Basically all administrators on Wikipedia know him. And cheating by voting with multiple accounts, that's much worse than anything Anittas ever did. That's a shame to us, Romanians. This kind of people must go. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 18:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Dogville

Te incurajez sa vezi Dogville. Filmul e 3 ore lung si ia multa energie sa-l vezi, dar ti-ar face bine. Sa fii extra atent la caracterul Tom ;))) Iar nu citi "the plot summary"! --Candide, or Optimism 00:35, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

If Ronline is Tom, then you are the little boy from the movie who begs to be spanked. As we all know, spanking he got. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm impressed, Oleg. I didn't think you watched such movies. I'm guessing you're living in the West. I best identify myself with the character of Nicole, even if it's a female. --Candide, or Optimism 06:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I think you cheated by reading the plot. I hope I'm wrong. --Candide, or Optimism 06:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean Grace? Anittas, if you really feel that you're not being fairly treated here, please go ahead and tell me why. And do so in a calm and constructive tone, and everyone will listen. Ronline ✉ 06:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

You haven't seen Dogville, have you? The movie, just like life, is not as simple as you may think: black and white, justice and wrong. I asked you not to read the plot and yet so you did. --Candide, or Optimism 06:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sorry about that. You made me interested! And I don't have access to the movie right now :) I hope I'm not seeing things in black and white, justice and wrong here. It's not about that. But when you do something that insults other people - multiple times - and is wrong, what do you want me to do? Or is it the fact that I brought you up in the Bonaparte case that you didn't like? Ronline ✉ 06:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I was talking in a general sense. Anyway, you both cheated and I'm out. --Candide, or Optimism 06:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I think Oleg has actually watched the movie. Ronline ✉ 06:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I cheated of course, I did not watch the movie. But it makes me laugh that Anittas thinks himself as a victim here. Anittas, it is me who is that victim! All that persecution I endured from you because of my name! Gosh! I could not sleep for nights in a row! :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, I saw the movie when it came out. Rather Brechtian. Worth seeing, but definitely misanthropic. - Jmabel | Talk 21:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I no longer like Lars since I learned that he put a donkey to sleep for Manderlay. --Candide, or Optimism 21:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

UDUIW

I, Shell, Welcome you to join UDUIW. If you are interested, include yourself in our category and/or add our userbox. Thank you, Shell. (Shell 03:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC))

I would personally like to thank you for joining UDUIW. --Shell 14:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Manele

I've usually been keeping an eye on the Manele article, but I don't know whether this edit is just a random insult or has some basis in fact. I figured that, being resident in Romania, you would know. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, your reply on my page was more than I expected! I'll try to do something with it in the article. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The music is disgusting and makes me puke. How can you be worried about insults on the music when the music itself insults itself? --Candide, or Optimism 01:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The state name for EU is FYROM

EU regognised as candidate the STATE "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia".Not as "Republic of Macedonia".

Vergina 11:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

Please accept my embarrassingly belated thank you for supporting my RfA, which much to my surprise passed 102/1/1, earning me minor notoriety. I am grateful for all the supportive comments, and have already started doing the things people wanted me to be able to do. And hopefully nothing else... Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 12:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Mediation request

Since you are in the mediation committee, please explain user:Just a tag that his language at talk:Moldovan language is inadmissible. mikka (t) 22:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Please Take This Case

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation&action=purge#phpBB_entry_dispute

Intrebare

Ronline, eu tot vroiam să te întreb, tu încă locuieşti in România, sau în America. Am văzut că la limbi ai marcat limba engleză ca limbă materna ca şi cea română. Numai bine. Constantzeanu 15:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Republika Srpska

I did write name "Republika Srpska" on the maps where only Republika Srpska is shown. But, on the maps where Republika Srpska and Serbia are shown together I wrote "Serb Republic" (Since Serbia is on the map too, I do not think that there could be a confusion). Both names "Republika Srpska" and "Serb Republic" are used in English for this entity, while Serbia is always "Republic of Serbia", never "Serb Republic". There is also distinction in Serbian: Republika Srbija (Republic of Serbia) and Republika Srpska (Serb Republic). PANONIAN (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

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Toga Party article

It is suitable because it is a form of the practice in question, and if suitability not fact is whats in question I think this has been blown way out of proportion.--Jacrosse 16:20, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

We don't want a new Anittas

Dear Ronline, I have to reiterate my admonition to moderate the activity of Romanian pet trolls. I don't want my talk page littered with unwarranted accusations of racism from editors whom I never even met before, especially as I don't care to comment on Romania-related topics frequently if at all. I'm not going to let a new Anittas or Bonaparte pest Wikipedia with his trollish tricks and, if the offense is repeated, I'll have to request for comment as to stalking, personal attacks, and threats aimed at intimidating myself. Please moderate this potentially problematic user yourself. --Ghirla | talk 10:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Buna ziua

Buna ziua to you. I wrote a small passage on the Kashovans talk page. Just wanted to say that I love Romania and its people (the good ones of course!), even though I am Serb (from Serbia Montenegro). My sister-in-law is a Krashovan lady and like Romanian girls, they are all beautiful! :) Jordovan 30jan06

Republika Srpska

All right, I will change names in maps from "Serb Republic" to "Republika Srpska". As for my future Balkans map, it is only one prognosis, it could happen, and it could not. Most of the people who live in Republika Srpska want independence, but at the present moment, Republika Srpska is administered by the international community. It is not likely that it will become independent in the near future, but it is likely to happen after 30, 50 or 100 years (I did not wrote exact time period to which my future map refering). PANONIAN (talk) 01:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

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User:Bonaparte

Check the latest exploits by an editor who you voicefully defend. --Ghirla | talk 18:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I say just check whether the IP is an open proxy when Bonaparte style edits come from anon IP's. Bonny is known for using open proxies to register false accounts and login to them to rig voting and 3RR or for other reasons. If it is a proxy, just block it anyway. If not Bony's, it may be Duca (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who may be himself Bonny or not. We don't need any proof that it is Bonny to block an open proxy. Open proxies should be banned as per their own policy provision. --Irpen 05:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and the second user you blocked is an open proxy. From where I am, I cannot run a fullproof check for technical reasons. But 200.79.192.26 IP was listed in the open proxy list recently, as per google cash of one of the proxy lists. In all likelyhood this IP has been open again if it was open in the past. While, I am strongly inclined to think that it is Bonny, the open proxy should be premablocked anyway. --Irpen 06:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that open proxies should be blocked. In fact, my whole point was that it shouldn't matter about contextual links and history - if an IP has vandalised, that IP should be blocked. I don't see the relevance of trying to link these to any of Bonaparte's edits. Even if there may be circumstancial evidence, I still don't see the point. Ronline ✉ 11:04, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Southeastern Europe and the Third World

I am unsure of how developed Southeastern Europe is, so I have voted maybe, netiher yes nor no.--Jusjih 07:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Gaelic language speakers enjoy the kind of rights the Vlachs of Greece can only dream of

Since you speak [Gaelic] Ronline, you may find interesting this recently publiched article http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2022469,00.html. If you can not log in 'The Times' website see the article in my discussion page. Apostolos Margaritis 09:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Pleasure

Pannonian said what? I am celtmist? I havn't seen this yet. Tell me where he is said to have written this! Not that it bothers me, I have gone behind one or two of Celtmist's edits and reitterated them and this may have caused him to think it, but you're right, I am from serbia-Montenegro and it seems Celtmist is English. Even so Ronline, I may be wrong some of the time! Anyhow, keep up your good work! Jordovan 7.2.06

Request for Mediation

You indicated an interest in mediating the Toga party dispute; I've put it in your capable hands. Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 02:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:SIG

Hi Ronline,

I remember asking you about how to get an image into your signature... well it turns out that you really shouldn't be doing that! Check out WP:SIG.

Just giving you a heads-up. See you around, DJR (Talk) 22:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Mediation request3.

Hi Ronline,

I would like to ask for you hosting a mediation, to resolve a on going dispute on the article about the Dutch language.

The involved users:

1. User:Woodstone
2. User:Sandertje
3. User:ClairSamoht
4. User:Arnoutf
5. User:Andries

Sincerely,

Sander

User:Sandertje 22:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Would like a responds as soon as possible.

User:Sandertje 22:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Could you get to the mediation any time soon?I believe we're stuck and could use some proper guidance.

Sander 14:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ronline - as someone not involved in the dispute, I believe editors at Talk:Dutch_language#Mediation have reached a stalemate. In my opinion attempts at conflict resolution are hampered by a basic misunderstanding of WP:NOR on the part of at least one of the editors in question. Could you please take a look? Thanks. AvB ÷ talk 11:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Buna ziua

Hey, I just found your page. I like what you have to say. I'd say I agree alot of the time, and even where I don't, it's still pretty stimulating to read your stuff. Va multsumesc, domnul.

Request for edit summary

Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 43% for major edits and 54% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 65 minor edits in the article namespace.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear impolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 10:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration request

I would like to inform about the Arbitration request concerning the long discussion on Talk:Dutch language.

[The link to the Arbitration request will follow soon, as I have to inform you before posting]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Statement_by_Sander_on_Talk:Dutch_language

Sander 11:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Romanian Wiktionary

Hi Ronline! Gangleri would like to help with the Romanian Wiktionary: http://ro.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wik%C5%A3ionar:Candida%C5%A3i/Gangleri Thank you! P.S. It seems that you haven't realized yet that you'll have to confirm the email address, both on en.wiki and on ro.wiki in order to re-allow email sending & receiving via Wikipedia. --Vlad 11:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Nicknames of Oradea

Dear Ronline

These nicknames belongs to the "other"-preRomanian history of the city.

Compostela: in the middle age Oradea pilgrimage (King Ladiuslus the Saint gravetomb) was as same famous as Compostela pilgrimages

Felix Civitas and the others are a bit newer and it was widly used in the early 20th century in literature in press.

--fz22 07:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

These nicknames are not historical at all, they are used daily in personal communications in (Hungarian)press ... Unfortunately the official Romanian policy in the last century was to deny everything which is Hungarian ... You said you are from Oradea, so ask THEM why you don't know nothing about these nicknames.--fz22 11:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

My point was that Oradea was simply pushed into the "arms" of Romania with its 92% Hungarian speaking community and attached to the former Hungary with thousand spears (is this the correct term?) And the newcomers wanted to cover the Hungarian past tracks by choise. They started to build a paralel city whilst the old one started its agony (according to the last census this "Hungarian" city has only a few decades to live) Only 30 years ago the Romanian and Magyar percentage in Oradea was around 50%. The same thing happened with the former Constantinople ... a new city Istanbul was borned on its gravetomb. And one more thing an enlightened, europian, highbrow citizen had to know who was Ady, Juhasz, Vulcan, Gojdu, where is the hill of Kalvaria, fount Bone, river Paris, where is the last Ottoman mosque, etc, etc ... --fz22 11:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Margaritis calling

Good news. I'm sure that you will enjoy this article

..and this too

'Aderarea la Uniunea Europeană va avea şi ea aspectele ei deprimante, restrictive sau chiar plictisitoare. Dar România şi Bulgaria au ajuns totuşi pe ultima linie dreaptă, mai pe picioare, mai în cârje. La următorul summit european din iunie, ele vor primi probabil confirmarea aderării la 1 ianuarie 2007. Şansele sunt de 90 la sută, îmi spunea un diplomat european, dar mai e timp de surprize.' Apostolos Margaritis 11:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Romanians

Salut ! Te-am contactat pentru o ca am o problema cu articolul Romanians. Deci, inainte cred ca mai stii ca la Canada am hotarat sa lasam numarul oficial de persoane, adica 131,000, si sa punem estimarea de 400,000. Ei, a venit un user cu nickul de Jayig care a modificat pagina si a pus cifre cu mixed si single origin, dar nici un articol pe Wikipedia asta nu are cifrele scrise de felul acesta. Cand am incercat sa pun inapoi cifrele cum au fost, am fost blocat de un administrator pt "vandalism", desi nu am facut decat sa pun cifrele corecte la loc. Trebuie sa le punem cum au fost. Tu ce zici de asta? Salutari, NorbertArthur 1 Aprilie 2006

Da sunt de acord cu tine sa punem cifrele de la recensamant, dar trebuie sa punem si estimarile. De exemplu la State tu chiar crezi ca sunt numai 367 mii? Bineinteles ca trebuie ca cifrele sa fie cele oficiale, dar ne trebuie si estimarile. Cat despre Canada, cand un strain vede ca sunt 50 si ceva de mii de romani "puri" si 70 mii de romani "mixati", probabil va crede ca in total cu mix si single origin sunt in total daor 73 mii, asa ca eu sugerez sa lasam cifrele de la recensamant, dar sa punem si estimarile. Numai bine, NorbertArthur 2 Aprilie 2006

Pantelimon City

Regarding this: I wouldn't call Pantelimon a "city": it's quite small (population: 1,922) and most of it is made from small rural houses; unlike other regions outside Bucharest, it has rather few large suburban house built by the Bucharesters because it's in an unfashionable area. It gained the "oraş" status because it has some industry. bogdan 09:13, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Bogdan, to use city for municipiu and town for oraş. Even if the english terms city and town exis, they d not refer at the same thing, city being generaly a very large urban locality (see New York City - Pantelimon City or Avrig City really doesn't work). Last month I modified almoast all the existing pages for the localities to have this unitary naming. Mihai -^talk 09:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

In the English-speaking world, "city" can be either a legal designation or, in colloquial speech, can suggest a near-metropolis(exactly as with oraş in Romania, I believe) . For example, here in Washington, Aberdeen, Bainbridge Island, Camas, and even Carnation are legally cities. The first three have populations of 15,000 to 25,000. Carnation doesn't even have 2,000 people (though it probably has at least that many dairy cows). Of these, the only one that might be called a "city" in casual conversation is Aberdeen, just because it is in an area where there is nothing bigger within 50 kilometers. But more often we'd call it a town.

"Municipality" in English indicates that the entity has a local government, but (unlike "city") does not imply a near-metropolis. - Jmabel | Talk 08:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Email

I sent you an email. If you reply, reply via email. thx --Candide, or Optimism 19:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Censorship

A watered-down version of the proposed policy against censorship is now open for voting. Will you knidly review the policy and make your opinions known? Thank you very much. Loom91 11:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

POLL: Introduction for Republic of Macedonia article

Given ongoing discussions and recent edit warring, you might be interested in a poll currently underway to decide the rendition of the lead for the Republic of Macedonia article. Please weigh in! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 01:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Multumesc pentru ce ai facut la Talk:Republic of Macedonia, dar nu merita sa te certi cu nationalisti greci... :( - FrancisTyers 13:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Ronline, I see you've decided to join the ranks of nationalist trolls ;-) I have made a proposal on how to solve the naming dispute over at Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group) - the problem is that the Macedonian Slav users aren't really participating. The gist of what I am proposing is to use the self-identifying terms (for everyone) except in articles primarily dealing with an entity recognising a different name. For example, at Macedonians (ethnic group), they can refer to the Macedonian Slav minority in Greece using their own terminology (Macedonian minority in Aegean Macedonia and the ethnic Greek majority), whereas at Macedonia (Greece) it will be referred to using the Greek terminology (Macedonian Slav minority in Greek Macedonia and the Greek Macedonian majority). As Greeks prefer to use exonyms: FYROM for Republic of Macedonia and Macedonian Slavs, and the Macedonian Slavs do the same: Aegean Macedonia for Greek Macedonia and they also like to suppress the legitimate term Greek Macedonians in order to imply that Greeks in Macedonia lack indigenous status (POV pushing), I thought of something along the lines of the Gdansk/Danzig dispute: namely, in German articles use the German name and in Polish articles use the Polish name; I think something like that could be done here. --LionKing 16:08, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that using "Macedonian Slavs" is something they'll agree with (check the archives to see why). They view it as a Greek POV, and therefore only can be called by their alleged only self-identifying name: Macedonians. However, the Greeks in Macedonia are not allowed to be referred to as "Greek Macedonians" (their self-identifying regional term: Ελληνομακεδόνες - Μακεδόνες) because that is also Greek POV. So, what is done is refer to the Macedonian Slavs as Macedonians (only) and then, there are three major ethnic groups in Macedonia: Macedonians, Greeks and Bulgarians (the latter two are supposedly foreign elements) while only the "Macedonians" are the true natives with exclusive rights to the whole region and, using this terminology, you can also draw an unconfirmed/unsourced parallel between the Macedonian Slavs and the Ancient Macedonians (duh?). It is perfect (see the approach some of them have [2] I'm not paranoid - check the history of that page to see how often it is attempted - how do you explain him linking [Republic of] Macedonia to Macedonia (region)???)! Again, I have no problem with referring to the Republic of Macedonia by that name, what the edit warring (check the history - the obvious sockpuppetry involved is baffling) is whether the UN designation should be mentioned in the first paragraph in the article (that is all). The pro-ROM users say it should not and should only be mentioned at the bottom of the article in a special section. Pro-FYROM users say that it should be mentioned in the first paragraph so that users following the redirect Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia don't get confused. It is almost unwritten convention on WP that alternative names are mentioned in the first paragraph (that's why Aegean Macedonia, is mentioned at Macedonia (Greece)). I am not sure about Macedonian Greeks or Greek Macedonian. They'll have to be googled to see what is more common.

Oh, and that bit about the nationalists was us (as a whole: Greeks + Macedonian Slavs), all users engaging in pathetic nationalist bickering on Talk:Republic of Macedonia. I never said you were biased and never thought you were. Sorry for the confusion. LionKing 00:27, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it was never the aim of Greek users to rename the article of use it as the way of referring to it as FYROM. We've lost hope now, although we will present arguments for it a lot. The dispute on Talk:Republic of Macedonia now is whether FYROM should be mentioned in the first paragraph and that is what we are voting on. These discussion always go offtopic, that's why I don't participate. LionKing 00:40, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Situation of administrator abuse

Hi, I'm in a potentially awkward position with an Administrator. I have read the Wiki pages on dispute resolution but I'm still not sure how to proceed.

The Admin ContiE has a personal grudge against me for reasons I do not fully understand. He has been this way since I began frequenting wikipedia.

I have done work improving the furvert article. He has basically gone on a crusade against any edit I make. He controls every furry category article and several others ruthlessly. He is an iron fist and bans anyone he edit wars with. I had uploaded pictures and he deleted them with no talking. He seems to believe I am every person he has had an edit war against. He is always using personal attacks, calling me troll without reason. I uploaded them again and he voted them for deleted, but to his surprise the person who runs the images, thank you Nv8200p, found they were acceptable once I tagged them properly. Just recently he removed both the images without himself discussing it in the talk page (unless he was the same person who discussed only one) with the edit here [3] Then ContiE assumed bad faith, added his constant insult of troll in the talk page. It appears on a completed different wiki, a comedy one in all things, somebody else stole my username and I believe this was Conti himself and uploaded them. ContiE showed it as his reason. While vandalism like his, I would revert and mention it, he would ban me permanently if I undid his edit. That is why I am asking admins for help. He holds a couple of accounts on wikipedia and I think they are administrators so I have to be careful who I tell about this. Arights 06:50, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi

I’m the user that was formerly known as Bitola. I decided to make some changes (changes are always welcomed from time to time) and I created a new user account. I was pretty much involved in the Macedonian articles heated area for several months and these days I will take some rest from all that bickering. In the same time, I would like to thank you for your engagement in the discussion (I think people from outside can see things more neutrally then we that live here). MatriX 17:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hy

This user Ghirlandajo called me a russophob (deosn`t that contaveine Wikipedia policy -> insults ???) and removed my adds without reason on this article: Russo-Turkish War, 1877–1878. Thanks! Greier 13:14, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Please stop trolling and use talk pages for major or controversial edits. This is your second warning. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 13:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I guess Wikipedia just like (russian) communism... power in the hands of idiots. Greier 13:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Hy again

in the talk page of Early Modern Romania, the user user:Dahn, while accusing me of "single-sided" and "nationalistic" view, he expressed his opinion about the article in a very single-sided and subjective way, like the one he accused me of. If he considers the article to be gullible, that`s his concern. Just don`t give names and indirectly point a specific user as the one responsable. A remark like "lyrical" approach, I consider it an insult. I already explain to him that most of the content was in that condition prior to my creation of the article (e.g. the "Matei Basarab", "magyarisation", "Austro-Hungary" mentions, etc). But as that is not enough, and instead of correcting what he finds wrong, he contineues drawling about the Bessarabia part, where I present opinions which have long been considered valid by historians. His arguments? None. While even General Kisellef admits the existance of abused and imposed serfdom on the Romanians of Bessarabia, Dhan starts a monolog about Gheorghe Gheoghiu Dej and other things with zero relevance to the topic. Even Leon Casso, the minister of Education in tsarist Russia, and a witness who described the abuses, doesn`t compare with the genius called Dhan. If he doesn`t like the article, he is free to modify it. Instead, he start convulsing on the talk page, attacking me, and other readers could think that I`m responsable for everything wrong in the article. I don`t understant what his problem is! I think you should warn him. Thanks. Greier 12:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Salut Ronline, sunt eu Greier... E incredibil ce se intampla... Te rog sa faci ce poti sa ma deblochezi... Chiar e incredibil abuzul asta. Fiecare avand interesul lui, s-au unit intro gashca si m-au acuzat de 3RR... Te rog sa citesti articolul Aromanians si Vlachs of Serbia, sa vezi nesimtire greco-sarbeasca la cel mai inalt nivel...

above the rules? A general conclusion of the russian language editors: 3RRR breaking rule of User:Irpen

Are the russian editors above the rules? Why shouldn't that apply to all users? They reverted my edits and Bogdan's.

I posted his breaking rules on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Irpen

--Andrei George 18:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Basescu

Since you published this info on your page, I presume you accept questions about it. So, do you still support Basescu? :) Dpotop 09:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

You're admin and also a member of Mediation Committee, that's what I've read on your page. Still, I asked you something above. When you have time please look at this user:Irpen. Not all his edits can be trusted. I've seen he'e engaged in reverts wars on romanian pages. --Andrei George 09:50, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Curierul Naţional

Thank you for your edits on Curierul Naţional. All those articles should be expanded, now, they contain only a phrase or two. --Andrei George 14:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

There are some problems at Moldovans. Actually moldovans are an sub-ethnic group of romanians, or actually are quite romanians aren't they?

--Andrei George 15:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Move articles

I want to ask you Ronline to move the articles:

Ziua --> Ziua (Romanian newspaper)

Curierul Naţional --> Curierul Naţional (Romanian newspaper)

also this: Ziarul financiar --> Ziarul financiar(Romanian newspaper)

1000 thanks, --Andrei George 15:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Erm... Why exactly? —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 12:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Because it refers to newspapers and I suppose it's right to move them there.

--Andrei George 12:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Vlachs of Serbia

I think people (Romanians from Serbia who recognize that they speak romanian) have the right to their language. At Vlachs of Serbia your edits and mine were reverted although romanians from Serbia have the right to say what kind of language they speak. --Andrei George 16:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

Hello Ronline,

I started the request for Mediation procedure for the following users: Irpen (talk · contribs), Khoikhoi (talk · contribs), PANONIAN (talk · contribs). They are very annoying when they revert all the romanian related pages either when it's about Moldovans(Romanians)/Vlachs, Romanians or others as well. They are acting like imposing a POV and they don't respect the human rights of romanian population, e.g. romanians from Serbia are not allowed to have their own Church! They are not allowed to say that they are romanians... --Andrei George 15:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Request for blocking

Hi. I contact you for the last time, don't worry. I'm getting out of Wikipedia and I want as you block my account, my userbox as well as my talk page as soon as possible. Thanks! Arthur 28 April 2006

EU

See: Talk:European_Union#GDP_ordering. Do not revert this again without discussion. --Bjarki 18:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Buna Ronline

See commons:User talk:Ronline#Buna Ronline. Bulă 13:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Transhumanism - Featured Article

Hi! I see you've given the Transhumanism article (one of my babies) its featured article star. I'm not terriby familiar with the nuts and bolts of the process, so I was just wondering if there's anything more that has to be done, such as archiving the nomination page for the article. Best wishes, Metamagician3000 14:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Aromanians

Please take actions against the vandals Telex and Theatenae, who are working in a pack to remove all what they don`t agree with (see history. If they continue, please take action or protect the page. Thanks.greier 18:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Committee Business

Dear Fellow Mediators: I'm writing to all mediators listed as active to point out several emergent issues that require the immediate attention of all active mediators. The Committee has come to a place where we can neither provide the function we were created to provide (timely formal mediaton for the English Wikipedia community) nor correct matters to be able to provide that function. In specific, we cannot perform any mediations, because most mediators are no longer taking cases, and we cannot add new mediators, because mediators are no longer responding to requests to join the Committee. I am in a place where I continually accept new cases for the committee, only to see them go stale after several months because there is no mediator willing to take it, and where I deny candidates a place on the committee because no mediator will speak up in support of them. I ask that all mediators take ten minutes to look over the following matters: There are five requests to join the Mediation Committee, three with no comments whatsoever, and two that have been up for more than a month without sufficient commentary to determine a consensus on promotion. Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Master_of_Puppets Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Wisden17 Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Journalist Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Cadr Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#.5Edemon There are four unassigned mediation cases, and will likely be at least two additional ones within the week. Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Merging of self-consciousness and self-awareness Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Netflix Links Section Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/A Bridge Too Far Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Ken Mehlman I beg, beseech, and pray each Mediator to please take a few moments to at the very least comment on the five candidates, and to consider taking one of the open cases. We are at a place where we are literally relying on the kindness of strangers: Almost all cases are being taken by non-Commitee volunteers at this point. Putting the open tasks page (which only changes when we add a new case), and the main committee page on your watchlist so you will know when new nominations and cases are added, would go a long way to helping the Committee succeed. (If having the main page pop up on your watchlist every time someone else comments in a nomination is too annoying, I can move them to subpages like RFA, so that the page will only change when a new nomination is added.) Additionally, I ask that all mediators check that they have a current email address subscribed to the Mediation Committee mailing list, mediation-l, to avoid the need for future talk page messages of this sort. My apologies for having to air the committee's dirty laundry in this manner, but I fear it is the only way to get everyone together to bring the Committee back to life. For the convenience of those who simply cannot be involved due to time constraints, I will be listing those that do not participate in any Committee activities as mediators emeriti, so that we have a clearer picture of who exactly we have available to take cases. I am, by separate posting, asking all mediators emeriti to return to actively participating in the requests to join the commmittee. Yours respectfully, Essjay (Talk • Connect) 02:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Primar sector 2

Onţanu şi-a dat demisia din PSD din martie 2006. Acum este independent. Am făcut corecţia la ro.wp dar rămîne formatul, care la primar pune implicit şi anul 2004. L-aş putea corecta eu. -Laurapr 13:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

E primar din 2004, e adevărat, dar între primar şi 2004 mai apare şi independent; se citeşte primar independent din 2004. Destul de ambiguu, trebuie să recunoşti. La alegerile din 2008, schimbăm anul dar dacă, din varii motive, se schimbă un primar în 2007?

Despre componenţa consiliului local al sectorului 2, nici eu n-am găsit nimic însă locuiesc în sectorul 2 şi vreau să cred că o să obţin informaţia asta. O să-ţi dau un semn. Foarte frumos articolul Bucureşti, mult mai frumos decît pe ro.wp. Felicitări. - Laurapr 17:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic identity in Greece

Hi, I've noticed that you've been wondering about the ethnic composition of Greece (mainly on Vlach related articles), and you've not been the only one. So, I've made a little aid (background reading) for uninformed people on the situation in Greece, as they often go away with stereotypes. See User:Telex/Ethnic identity in Greece. --Telex 14:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)