Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allerseelen (band)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Following good work by Yngvadottir! Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Allerseelen (band)

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This page has been tagged as problematic for over ten years, and it's had a PROD declined once, and an A7 declined twice (most recently by me just now). I missed the first declined PROD, which means the second one can't happen, so we'll need to discuss this. Anyway, I'm not convinced there are sufficient sources to write an article about this. There is a far more substantial article on the German Wikipedia, but it is largely unsourced so that's not much help. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: as the fellow who just tried to A7 it. Fails the GNG, fails WP:BAND; there's just no significant coverage in reliable sources out there, save for namedrops and "Playing at X on Friday night" casual mentions. Top hits are (revealingly) the Facebook page, the Bandcamp page, the Discogs page, the last.fm page, the rateyourmusic.com page, Amazon, bandsintown.com ... Ravenswing 09:50, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I'm all for the refocus. Outstanding work on Yngvadottir's part. Ravenswing 13:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 11:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions. Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 11:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom --Devokewater @ 11:54, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete per current policy. And nom, Ravenswing. ——Serial 12:54, 28 July 2020 (UTC)~~[reply]
Keep per Yngvadottir's WP:HEY. Great work! (And you're always welcome to bother me with it!). ——Serial 09:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ritchie333: howabout pulling your nomination? Not that it was a bad nom, but now the article has been refocussed, you effectively nominated a note non-existent page. ——Serial 10:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Serial Number 54129: I don't believe he can, except as a gesture; there are still 2 delete !votes. He thanked me for the initial expansion edit. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yngvadottir: Of course Ritchie333 can withdraw his nomination, that's not the same as closing the discussion. The latter may continue until it reaches 7 days, but the former is a useful indicator to ~~the closer~~ everyone that there is one less delete !vote than otherwise might appear (and, to put it baldly, that even the nom isn't defending his own position. Meh, what do I care?—it looks fucking ungracious to me. ——Serial 18:16, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Ravenswing. Unfortunately these unreliable crap sites are always at the top of a Google search. <GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 17:24, 28 July 2020 (UTC) Fine now, I vote keep. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 19:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with all due respect to Bbb23 I fail to see why the first A7 was declined. I don't see any claims of notability in that version and certainly in the current. Understand due process but fails GNG. Glen 18:40, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per great work by Yngvadottir. Appreciate your effort in sourcing especially factoring non English sources. Glen 13:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails GNG, BAND, etc. No external links signifying notability. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2020 (UTC) Fine now. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 00:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rewrite to focus on Gerhard Petak/Kadmon (so far as I can determine there was never a German Wikipedia article on him; there was here, but it was deleted in 2014 as a redirect to a deleted page—not this one, which dates to 2006. The deleted page(s) may provide useful references, but I am finding what I consider enough material critiquing his neopagan rightwing views as expressed in his music to meet GNG. For example the German Wikipedia article has references to a news article touching on his admiration for and use of works by Julius Evola and Karl Maria Wiligut, ([1]) and a ~~dissertation~~ warning article published by an anti-right-wing group on that aspect of Allerseelen ([2]), there's an academic essay in which the album Gotos=Kalanda, using lyrics by Wiligut, is used as an example (JSTOR, p. 40, may be more), and there has been press coverage such as this opinion in a Die Zeit blog ahead of an Allerseelen concert; probably a few more such articles have been published. See also this article at The Wild Hunt pagan newsletter using Allerseelen as an example, although from there we go into the wilds of anti-Nazi pressure groups and blogs. I see continuing coverage over several years of his music from that point of view, so I believe this could be rescued. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:26, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I went ahead and expanded it from sources, some drawn from the German Wikipedia article, including a lengthy section in a book on neo-folk music. I'm sure there's newspaper coverage I was unable to find, but the German Wikipedia article includes an extensive investigation looking for Nazism in his writings as well as his music, and there are a lot of mentions in other books as well as the JSTOR article. I've also restored the discography and added more recent albums, although I didn't hunt down descriptions of those albums. With apologies, I'm going to bother the nominator and all the above !voters at this point, to see whether the version I've put together establishes notability in anyone's view. @Ritchie333, Ravenswing, Devokewater, Serial Number 54129, GhostDestroyer100, Glen, and Royal Autumn Crest: Yngvadottir (talk) 08:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per GNG after Yngvadottir's excellent expansion. Ffranc (talk) 09:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the article has been significantly improved particularly in the sourcing as per WP:HEY so that deletion is no longer necessary, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Switch to Keep - nice work from Yngvadottir again! Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.