Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Environment (systems)

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The result was redirect‎ to Open system (systems theory). (non-admin closure) Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Environment (systems)

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary; this defines a term, but it seems unlikely that it can be expanded beyond "In thermodynamics, *heat* can sometimes be exchanged with the environment". I doubt there is a meaningful history of the concept that "the thing you study interacts with the things around it in some approximated way". There are currently no sources and Google searches (for obvious) reasons do not turn up relevant ones per WP:BEFORE. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:44, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science and Engineering. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Yeah, this is kind of stuck at being a dictionary definition, because it's not a concept that stands on its own well enough. The environment or surroundings are just whatever is not the system. It doesn't make sense to give that idea a page to itself. I'm not sure whether deletion or redirecting would be the better course of action; my guess is that we have a lot of short and/or poorly maintained articles in this corner of the project. XOR'easter (talk) 20:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Open system (systems theory), where environments/surroundings are briefly discussed. I agree with the assessment of XOR'easter. It would be hard to create an article on this topic. In one sense, environments, if they are characterized at all, are described in terms of the interactions they have with the system under study. So a redirect to Open system (systems theory) maybe be a reasonable alternative to deletion for what is a verifiable concept, with the lead and figures being more informative than a Wiktionary definition. On the other hand, the target article has problems of its own. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 23:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as suggested. That’s been an outcome for other dictionary definitions. Bearian (talk) 03:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Open system (systems theory), which is not a great page but which has the right scope. XOR'easter (talk) 20:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.