Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Esperanto national football team

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. The eligibility of an article does not depend on its title. If the topic would meet our inclusion criteria under some title but not its current one, then it should be moved, not deleted. After discounting !votes based solely on the impropriety of the title, we're left with a clear consensus to keep. Any editor is welcome to move the page to a better title. Owen× ☎ 13:10, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Esperanto national football team

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This isn't a "national football team". In an attempt to propose a move target, I determined that it should be deleted rather than renamed.

For the first match: some attendees at the 99º Universal Esperanto Congress had a friendly game of football during the event. [1]

The rest appears to be cosplay. Walsh90210 (talk) 18:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Walsh90210 (talk) 18:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Argentina. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it does seem to pass GNG... SportingFlyer T·C 19:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 20:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. Not a nation. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I created it as Esperanto football team since it is not a country but someone decided to move it to Esperanto national football team, I found [2], [3], [4],[5], [6], [7], [8], among many more sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The sources don't support that it is a "national football team" or a "football team" in any organized sense. It is a few one-off matches held by amateurs at various Universal Esperanto Congress events, and a few big-talkers making claims about pursuing non-FIFA recognition that are, in a word, bullshit. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is simply not true... it literally played in two non-FIFA organization tournaments (COSANFF Cup and Zamenhof Cup) among other games against teams in non-FIFA organizations (Mapuche etc), and on top of that it does meet WP:GNG by any means. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Playing in a non-FIFA tournament is not the claim to fame you think it is... Giant Snowman 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Passing GNG is the claim to notability we think it is, and I don't know how you could argue against the articles here which were published in clearly reliable sources. SportingFlyer T·C 09:02, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:, Thanls, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to World Esperanto Congress or Universal Esperanto Association. The subject is notable given the multiple reliable sources talking about it, but there's not much long-term coverage and not an enormous amount that needs to be said about it, so it fits better in context with other things the same people have been doing. Mrfoogles (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Third option could be Esperanto, maybe in the Culture section Mrfoogles (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also like to say that if it does not get merged or deleted, it should be moved to "Esperanto (football team)". I would move it, but this is during an AFD. Mrfoogles (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - this article has been shown to meet GNG which no editor has refuted so should be kept. Thanks , Das osmnezz (talk) 00:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The sources in the article show that this clearly meets the GNG. I think it should be moved to "Esperanto football team" – some sources call it a national team, but one of those also then goes on to say "Es un equipo que no juega por una Nación o por un club". Common sense says it's not a national team. Toadspike [Talk] 19:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not opposed to a selective merge to World Esperanto Congress as suggested by Mrfoogles. Walsh90210 (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak keep only if the name is changed to "...football team" rather than "...national football team—It feels absurd to vote in favor of something this fluid, semi-official, and undefinable. We can't even figure out what to call it, much less exactly what it is. This is clearly not a national team, because Esperanto is a language, not a nation. It's also not a sub-nationality, ethnic identity, tribal affiliation, or diasporic community. I want to vote "Delete" so badly, but the sources are there to establish WP:SIGCOV, unfortunately. That said, this is a ridiculous article on a ridiculous subject that shouldn't really exist. But standards are standards, and this article meets those standards. Anwegmann (talk) 01:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - this article has been shown to meet GNG which no editor has refuted so should be kept. As it stands, there are one delete vote, one merge vote, and four keep votes. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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