Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Brooks (singer)

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The result was keep. sufficient consensus indicating he has enough coverage to merit an article JForget 01:00, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Joe Brooks (singer)

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Fails to establish notability. The main claim to fame seems to be popularity on Myspace. There are local radio/press promotional interviews but that seems to be all. His own YouTube page describes him as "Just another bedroom musician" which seems to be a fair summary. Previous attempts at establishing articles - Joe Brooks (Singer) and Joe Brooks (Pop singer) have been deleted Oo7565 (talk) 06:15, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:58, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

*KEEP According to the notability guidelines listed under music, an artist is notable if they meet ANY of the criteria listed. Joe Brooks meets two criteria points:

1) It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable.

As linked in the references section, Joe Brooks has been on BBC radio, interviewed for the Birmingham Mail, AND Magazine, and other sources.

4) Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.

Some of the articles referenced point to his sold out UK Tour from February/March 2009.

In addition, please note that there is a non-trivial article about Joe Brooks on the AOL owned PopEater: http://www.popeater.com/2010/06/07/joe-brooks-debuts-superman-in-new-york/

Those points alone meet the guidelines set by wikipedia for notability.

As for the "bedroom musician claim," there is no reference to it in the main article. Therefore any reference to it by the user who marked this article for deletion is irrelevant.

Joe has also released a video for his first single through VEVO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otx0Bnru0dY&feature=avmsc2

He also received a write up from Seventeen Magazine calling him the next John Mayer. http://www.seventeen.com/cosmogirl/joe-brooks-video-clip

Since the original failed attempt at deletion last year, Joe Brooks has released a single as well as a date for a major-label album.

The user that market this for deletion says that his only claim to fame is myspace popularity. However, myspace has over 5 million bands/artists . So the fact that Joe Brooks is listed as often listed as the number one artist means that he is very notable. Myspace might not be traditional media yet, but as digital downloads and streams surpass physical sales, Myspace has become more and more important . Evilkarrot (talk) August 3rd, 2010 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:06, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

• Weak keep as possibly/barely meeting WP:GNG. Not all of these are great, but it does establish more notability than just in Myspace, as well as allow for verifiability in the article: BBC, BirminghamMail, Universal Republic PR, LondonNet, Crazed Hits, and Sound Alarm. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 22:03, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

NOTE: Please also note the Seventeen article and the AOL article.Evilkarrot (talk) August 9th, 2010 (UTC)

• Delete. He may become notable in the future, but as of yet I see no significant coverage or success to assert notability. Myspace and local newspapers do not, for me, justify his inclusion at this moment in time. Esteffect (talk) 01:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
• Keep – Notability has been established in the usual way, with coverage in the Birmingham Mail, BBC, Seventeen; I don't see a reason to make some sort of exception here. Meets WP:MUSICBIO criterion #1. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:52, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. Never heard of him before now but based on the above and Hot Press - "Over 20 million hits", a deal with EMI, a debut album, comparisons with James Morrison and James Blunt. --candle•wicke 00:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.