Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johann Biacsics

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Keep arguments are a variation of WP:Clearly notable, but there hasn't been any demonstration of notality prior to his death (per the first relisting comment), which makes the BLP1E arguments far stronger. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:38, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Johann Biacsics

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A recent death from COVID is the only notable thing here, BLP1E and RECENT HouseOfChange (talk) 04:53, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. HouseOfChange (talk) 04:53, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. HouseOfChange (talk) 04:53, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative proposal. Since there have been a number of anti-vaccine figures who have died from COVID-19 (see, e.g., COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy in the United States#Anti-vaccine public figures who died from COVID-19), create a separate list article on this topic and merge this to it. BD2412 T 05:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I have started Draft:List of anti-vaccine advocates who died from COVID-19. BD2412 T 06:08, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't think that's a good idea. WP:Articles for deletion/List of COVID-19 deniers who died of COVID-19 and WP:Articles for deletion/Critics of COVID-19 safety measures that have died from COVID-19 both resulted in deletion, and this seems like another variation on the same theme. TompaDompa (talk) 18:41, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - I was not aware of those, but this concept has more coverage in reliable sources as a discrete concept than those articles had. I would say that it meets the GNG. BD2412 T 18:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      I think only Notable people would be possible for that category - otherwise the list would go into the thousands pretty quickly. Sgerbic (talk) 00:52, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - It would have to be limited to those who were reported in reliable sources for both their anti-vaccination views and their death from COVID-19. Perhaps not that many. Dozens, certainly. BD2412 T 01:37, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep BLP1E does not apply: he was clearly notable for being a leader of the anti-vaccination protests and his political efforts prior to his death. -- The Anome (talk) 08:24, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No German page which would exist if he were notable - I think everything that could be found that might help to prove notability has been used already. If he is a notable leader of the protests, then there should be something to show that. Sadly this man seems to be one of probably thousands of anti-vaxxers that are dying of Covid. We can't write pages for them all, so unless someone is holding some terrific sources up their sleeves then this page needs to go. Sgerbic (talk) 00:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I noticed this when it came up as a new article, and tried to flesh it out - but I don't speak German so I am really limited. It would be great if a German-speaking editor would check the German sources to see what, if anything, might contribute to his notability.--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:02, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gronk Oz: I do speak (some) German, so I tried looking for German coverage. Notice that if you search for his name in "News" you get results in many different languages. So I tried coupling his name with German terms like "bleichen" (bleach), "Impstoff" (vaccine), and "Die Basis" (his political party." I found coverage only of his death, except for one YouTube video. I searched Austria's Die Presse, no mention, including no mention of his death. I found no sign in German sources of independent notability. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:45, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for doing this HouseOfChange Sgerbic (talk) 04:39, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, @HouseOfChange: there were several hits that came up from Google Books as well, that I could not identify. Gronk Oz (talk) 05:29, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gronk Oz: The source in Italian is very recent, a 2021 "yearbook" talking about JB's death and briefly his Covid militancy in that context. This Italian "book" introduces itself as follows; "Si nasce senza volerlo. Si muore senza volerlo. Si vive una vita di prese per il culo." Hmmmm. The Club Carriere "Encyclopedia of Success" (Club Carriere - Enzyklopädie des Erfolges) published several editions 2002-2005 where they interviewed him about his success as a gardener--as they did hundreds of others who probably paid to be listed. For example, there was a small display ad for a hairdresser named "Franz Reichel", and sure enough there is a short interview with FR in the text, in exactly the same format as JB. Such mini-interviews don't meet WP:BASIC anyway. There is a book by JB himself, published in 2018. Other "results" seem unlikely to relate to his influence as an anti-vax advocate, maybe just errors in Google. For example, searching this book for "Johann Biacsics" gives no results. HouseOfChange (talk) 18:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC

Thanks for that, @HouseOfChange: is exactly the sort of information we need. Gronk Oz (talk) 23:39, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Country-specific info: Austrians are particularly sceptical about internet, Wikipedia, modern technology etc. They are way behind the Anglo-Saxon countries in this. Just because there's no German page, does not mean there should not be one. It just means no Austrian has written one.-- shanparfitt (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:01, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as he was clearly notable before his death.Jackattack1597 (talk) 01:58, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia definition of "notability" requires " significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." What we have instead is multiple one-shot human interest articles about the death of a very minor political figure. I tried to find coverage of his activism or leadership but found none. Please cite some sources to support the idea that his life was notable in some way, not just the irony of his death. HouseOfChange (talk) 21:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The claim that he was a notable antivaxer before his death needs to be backed up by sources that predate that event.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SpinningSpark 18:02, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 03:55, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Biology-related deletion discussions. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 19:07, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per significant coverage indicating notability: [1] [2] [3] [4]
Delete per WP:BLP1E. The only articles about this man in RSes are about his death, basically zero other significant coverage as far as i can ascertain. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 19:11, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Shibbolethink: Per re-listing admin Spinningspark, The claim that he was a notable antivaxer before his death needs to be backed up by sources that predate that event. HouseOfChange (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is fair. I am having significant difficulty finding such articles, even in german language sources. So I will change my vote accordingly. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 19:44, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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