Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamala (elephant)

Kamala (elephant)

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Single news event, in November an elephant was euthanized. Fails WP:EVENTCRITERIA #4 - a routine kind of news event, and WP:SIGCOV - multiple newspapers publishing the same story. Further "in 2014 a zoo acquired some elephants" sources added also seem to cover a routine news event. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 01:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Having coverage from 2014 and 2024 establishes lasting notability. You claim that the coverage is "routine", but the vast majority of elephants don't receive widespread news coverage like this one, even when they die. If all elephants had this level of coverage it could be considered routine/normal, but they don't. EVENTCRITERIA also doesn't apply here because Kamala is an elephant, not an event. Even if this article was about the event of her death (which it is not), it still wouldn't be "routine coverage" because elephants with the same name as a major political figure dying within hours of a major political event and causing massive social media buzz is not a regular or common event. Di (they-them) (talk) 02:00, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Obituaries don't make someone (or something) notable. Day to day news announcements from a zoo do not add notability. The "major political figure" angle is a WP:NOTNEWS/WP:SYNTH of a report from before the election combined with a report of who won after the election. Shows the story hit the internet "water cooler" but there would need to be SIGCOV after the election. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 14:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Animal, Sri Lanka, Canada, and Washington, D.C.. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to National Zoological Park (United States)#Notable animals. It's certainly not unusual for large zoo animals to receive some coverage, particularly about their death; the fact that her name brought additional attention doesn't mean this short-lived buzz establishes notability. Since the main article has a section specifically for cases like this, per WP:NOPAGE a standalone article is not needed. The 2014 coverage is about three elephants that came together, not specifically about Kamala so I don't think that's lasting. There's also National Zoological Park (United States)#Elephant Trails. Reywas92^Talk 04:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Reywas Andre🚐 05:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC) Keep per GreenLipstickLesbian's expansion. Andre🚐 10:24, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per Reywas Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per above- routine coverage for two instances does not SIGCOV or Notability make. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak merge per above. The 2014 news event is routine, and, while the 2024 one isn't, the fact that the coverage wasn't sustained makes me doubtful of the elephant's long-term notability, especially since there isn't an expectation of renewed coverage in the future as the election has already ended. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per added sources, thanks a lot! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:47, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This article looks much different now than it did when the AfD started, and I've found multiple articles about Kamala from the 1990s and early 2000s, during her time in Canada. Courtesy pings to @Chaotic Enby, Fountains of Bryn Mawr, Reywas92, AndreJustAndre, Itzcuauhtli11, and SilverTiger12:. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 10:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take a look at it. It does look a lot longer now with more sources. Thanks. Andre🚐 10:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, and I'm very much opposed to redirecting an article about an elephant who lived in Canada for four decades and achieved notability there to an article about an American zoo or American program. Now that that's out the way, I think Google is bringing everybody to the 2024 election coverage. Looking through newspapers, however, and I'm finding several articles about Kamala and her artistic career. Specifically, "Artists come in all shapes and sizes". Medicine Hat News. The Canadian Press. May 2, 1995. p. 2.,"Designer boots for Kamala". Medicine Hat News. The Canadian Press. January 14, 1991. p. 2., "The Picasso of Calgary Zoo", Alberta Report, vol. 1, no. 39, December 9, 1994 are my three sources that provide signifigant coverage of Kamala and, in my mind, should completely re-assure anybody concerned about WP:NEVENT. I'm still finding sources, however, so wish me luck! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 10:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[1] This UPI source from 1994 is pretty good too, however. And freely accessible. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 11:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]