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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 09:38, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ina Zdorovetchi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Hello. I am the article's subject, but I regard myself as a non-notable, private person, and I would like the article to be deleted. I am uncomfortable having this information shared publicly. Please kindly delete. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inazdorovetchi (talkcontribs) 16:02, December 14, 2021 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Consensus is to delete this, then redirect to Berlin Brandenburg Airport#Timeline. MelanieN (talk) 01:42, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of Berlin Brandenburg Airport's construction (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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has been created ignoring the lack of concensus to split the article, had been proposed a few months ago without a decision — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:a61:3a4c:4a01:c50e:f86:4e6:936a (talk)

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The result was delete. plicit 00:19, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article subject simply does not meet WP:ORG - not notable as there is no significant coverage. Article is a one line stub, not able to be edited for proper improvement. Subject is already included in a list and this is sufficient. Such-change47 (talk) 23:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)The Aafī (talk) 17:29, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Workers' Revolutionary Party (Peru) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not a notable organisation. Google searches in English and in Spanish (i.e. Partido Revolucionario de los Trabajadores Peru) return only primary source results or mentions in leftist blogs/magazines. Nearly no mentions by secondary or tertiary sources aside from mere mentions of its existence (i.e. Confirming the organisation's existence but making no claim to its significance). CentreLeftRight 23:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Peru: 1980 Senate Elections". pdba.georgetown.edu.
  2. ^ "Peru: 1980 Constitutional Assembly Elections". pdba.georgetown.edu.
  3. ^ "Peru: 1980 Presidential Elections". pdba.georgetown.edu.
  4. ^ Alexander, Robert J. (1991). International Trotskyism, 1929-1985 : a documented analysis of the movement. Durham: Duke University Press. pp. 643–646. ISBN 9780822309758.
Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 02:07, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep - clearly WP:BEFORE was not respected here. "In 1978 Blanco was back in Peru helping to organize the PRT, which elected him to the Constituent Assembly. In 1980 the PRT obtained 160,713 for their presidential slate, headed by Hugo Blanco, Ricardo Napuri, Schapiro, and Enrique Fernandez Chacon. The party elected two senators - Napuri and Hipolito Enriquez - and three deputies - Blanco, Fernandez and Emeterio Calendonio." [1] --Soman (talk) 12:53, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question - If the party had elected representatives as Soman's quote seems to indicate, clearly we must keep. But the Hugo Blanco (politician) article seems to say he was elected as a representative of the Revolutionary Workers' Party (Peru), an existing article. In the English this is just a matter of word order, suggesting perhaps a duplicate article, but the dates and Spanish names are quite distinct. What is going on here? — Charles Stewart (talk) 14:26, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Hugo Blanco (politician) article clearly indicates that he was in PRT during the 1978 election ("After spending several years of exile in Sweden, Mexico and Chile he returned to Peru in 1978, was a founder of the Workers Revolutionary Party and was elected to parliament on a left-wing slate"). POR and PRT are not the same. --Soman (talk) 17:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. plicit 00:20, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fright Show (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable film, mostly just found database entries, blogs, and throwaway mentions. Doesn’t even seem to have a Rotten Tomatoes entry. Dronebogus (talk) 23:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to School District 42 Maple Ridge-Pitt Meadows. ♠PMC(talk) 08:04, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel Robertson Technical Secondary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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School individually not notable. I can't make afd page, please make for me. Reasons are uncited since 2011, no evidence of notability under wp:noteschool — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3d08:757f:c390:d071:a39e:dfed:726e (talk)

*Delete I couldn't find anything about this except some WP:MILL news articles about students doing stuff that barely have anything to do with the school. Which isn't enough for notability. There's also an extremely trivial article having to do with the school and gender neutral bathrooms, but that's not enough either. Since it's extremely trivial and Wikipedia isn't a news source anyway. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:38, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:05, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Super Straight (sexuality) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Seems to be a very recently developed phrase with little support from reliable sources. If kept, may need a significant re-write. Singularity42 (talk) 23:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know about that other article. Agree with G4. Singularity42 (talk) 23:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That AfD is explicit that it doesn't prevent recreations at a future date - that doesn't feel like it facilitates a G4 to me? Best, Darren-M talk 16:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I took the liberty and already merged it into the transphobia article here. Missvain (talk) 05:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reverted per WP:BRD. The source is very balanced and in no way calls it transphobic in their own voice. Likewise, ContraPoints, who is interviewed in part of the article, has a balanced approach and she does not call it that. Per WP:NPOV, it shouldn't be at that article as though it is undisputably transphobic in all uses. And besides, one could also argue it should be merged elsewhere like Attraction to transgender people. But it was a flash in the pan and already is covered at the "/pol/" article. It's just a non-noteworthy flash-in-the-pan meme (see WP:NOTNEWS). Crossroads -talk- 05:38, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Could we have some links to the sources you mention? If they are any good, may be we can add them to the article.Deathlibrarian (talk) 05:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can be recreated if notable by somebody without a COI and based on independent sources. Sandstein 10:32, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fulvio Bonavia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Pre-packaged content spammed by a spammer. Does not belong on Wikipedia. Doesnot pass WP:SIGCOV. ScriptedDecrypted (talk) 22:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 04:26, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of goals scored by Cristiano Ronaldo in all senior matches (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Per the clear consensus at a similar AfD relating to Lionel Messi, this type of list violates WP:NOTSTATS and should be deleted. Sorry. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn by nom without any other "delete" !votes.. Randykitty (talk) 22:48, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Acta Entomologica Musei Nationalis Pragae (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No independent sources establishing the notoriety of the journal. Perfektsionist (talk) 22:00, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The journal being "included in several highly selective databases" only indicates that it exists. What significant coverage from reliable and independent sources do the databases bring? Perfektsionist (talk) 22:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Read the discussions on the talk page of WP:NJournals. Several of these databases (mainly Scopus and the Journal Citation Reports) provide detailed analyses of citation patterns indicating the impact that a journal has. Inclusion in such databases has been taken as evidence of notability for well over 10 years now. I recommend you withdraw this AfD, as I can confidently predict that it'll go nowhere and is basically a waste of good editing time. --Randykitty (talk) 23:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. The WP:GNG or any other subjective criteria for notability do not require "English-language-only" sources. Applying SNOW.... (non-admin closure)The Aafī (talk) 17:34, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Djabal Club d'Iconi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Cannot find English language coverage that would satisfy WP:GNG. Club does not appear to have played in a WP:FPL nor sources showing team played in a national cup competition that would satisfy WP:FOOTYN. dashiellx (talk) 21:13, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:23, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Fox (brand) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The fact that a bunch of stations go by this brand and play similar music doesn't make the brand notable. Quite a number of the stations are of no relation to each other at all. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 18:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to IHeartMedia#Programming. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 (ICE TICE CUBE) 00:30, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Brew (brand) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable radio brand that now is only used on two stations. Fails WP:GNG. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 18:53, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Villa Isabel Football Club (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Cannot find any english language coverage that would satisfy WP:GNG nor any sources to indicate the team played in a WP:FPL nor sources showing team played in a national cup competition that would satisfy WP:FOOTYN. dashiellx (talk) 17:54, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:03, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Associação Atlética Vila Isabel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Cannot find any english language coverage that would satisfy WP:GNG nor any sources to indicate the team played in a WP:FPL nor sources showing team played in a national cup competition that would satisfy WP:FOOTYN. dashiellx (talk) 17:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:48, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jeevan Marg Sophia Secondary (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unreferenced article stub. Does not pass WP:NORG as there are no WP:RS to support. fails WP:NSCHOOL. DMySon (talk) 18:36, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:03, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Cannot find any english language coverage that would satisfy WP:GNG nor any sources to indicate the team played in a WP:FPL nor sources showing team played in a national cup competition that would satisfy WP:FOOTYN. dashiellx (talk) 17:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 20:13, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Un-referenced article. No indication of notability. Fails to satisfy the requirements of WP:NORG / WP:GNG. DMySon (talk) 18:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:04, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Poor sourcing that does not establish notability for a new religious movement, or voluntary association or whatever they actually are. I was unable to find more significant sourcing during a WP:BEFORE search. Mostly it's self published, fringe or primary sourcing. I had Ymblanter, who is familiar with the language used in sources I could not read, check sources for me. They responded Concerning the reliability of the references: 1 - an academic article in a conference proceedings book, the book was reviewed, but no indication separate contributions were peer-reviewed; 2 - a student presentation at a conference, not peer-reviewed, I would say not a RS; 3 - similar to 1; 4 - low-impact journal published in Ukraine, presumably peer-reviewed, an academic work (the journal is published by a university); 5 - a deadlink, and is supposed to reference the fact that the organization is legally registered, would not establish notability in any case, a primary source; 6 - typical for Ukrainian media, looks like a media publication, but in fact is just a report of a blog of a non-notable person, definitely not a RS; 7 - slightly better than 5, looks like kind of RS, Daily Mail level; 8 - a web portal controlled by the Orthodox church, I would say hardly a RS; 9 - slightly better than 7; 10 - would never pass RSN, not a RS; 11 - see 6, cites a primary source. I have never heard of the movement (which by itself does not say anything, I do not live in Eastern Europe), but for me the notability is on the edge. AfD could go either way.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:28, 22 December 2021 (UTC) I have pinged Ymblanter, as I have quoted them in this AfD nomination. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. North America1000 20:07, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cat Country (brand) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There is no connecting thread among these stations; it just so happens that they have the same name. This is like a list of people named Jane. The brand itself isn't notable, nor is there a strong affinity that binds these stations. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 18:31, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 07:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:BLPPRIMARY. Of the 13 references, are either profiles, interviews or company details, i.e. Alvotech, not specific to a BLP. scope_creepTalk 18:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They all look like interview's so far. I will go through the references, all of them. scope_creepTalk 21:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The first nomination for deletion was made by someone who was working on behalf of Róbert Wessman. I suspect it was due to the coverage of some unflattering allegations made against him by a former colleague and they didn't like it. They wanted to TNT it so that it might not even be in the edit history if and when the article was recreated. Those allegations were properly sourced and over time, due weight seems to have been achieved. As for this nomination and notability, I think Róbert Wessman is highly notable. He is an extremely well known public figure in Iceland to the point where one could call him a celebrity. For instance, just look at the coverage his wedding got: here and here as examples (of notability, not great sources). Jökull Júlíusson performed. Wally and Alvaldi have already given examples establishing notability from a business perspective. He is not a "flash in the pan" as significant coverage goes back to at least 2007. Also, I am not sure why "interview" is being used like it is a bad word. AFAICT, interviews help establish notability. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You could be right. They look like royalty in those two articles. Nomination Withdrawn scope_creepTalk 22:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ginbopewz: You don't usually vore keep when the nomination is withdraw. The work has been done. scope_creepTalk 02:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:05, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:ANYBIO. WP:BEFORE didn't locate anything that shows notability. External link to website looks more like a spam link. CNMall41 (talk) 17:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:49, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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South African Olympic beach volleyballer who competed at the 2008 Summer Olympics. That, aside from an infobox and a birthdate, is all we have on her in this article. I've checked Google, which brings up many other wiki and user-generated articles, and some databases that confirm that she did not win a medal in a later Olympics either. My newspapers search just brought up single-sentence mentions, all related to the 2008 Olympics. I suspect that South African newspapers are under-indexed in my database, but I don't know that finding more of them would make a difference here or if it would just be more single sentences.

I assume this article was added because all Olympians were once considered notable, but the guidelines at WP:NOLYMPICS now hold that only medallists are notable. asilvering (talk) 17:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Already Speedy Deleted WP:G3 by uninvolved admin. (non-admin closure) Singularity42 (talk) 18:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This disambiguation is not needed. Youssef Land Metro 1.0 is not notable, MacOS 13 redirects to macOS High Sierra. Mvqr (talk) 16:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete, otherwise delete. Based on the author's recent edits, including their creation of Draft:Youssef Land Metro 1.0, the other article is probably for something that doesn't exist. While I appreciate this was done up as a (unneeded) disambiguation page, it was really done as a workaround to create a reference to a non-existent product. I'm wondering if WP:A11 applies? Singularity42 (talk) 17:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete Agreed that this should be speedy-able, it's pretty obvious misinformation. I'm not sure what the creator is going for, but A11 should apply. Scratch that, I think WP:G14 is easier to apply to this. ASUKITE 17:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Facepalm. Yeah, G14 seems to the obvious route here! Singularity42 (talk) 17:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, I can see A11 and A7 as below applying too, it's all the same in the end haha. ASUKITE 17:56, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently it was deleted as WP:G3 by an admin not in this AfD. Also, should this AfD now be closed because the page is deleted? Courtesy pings: (MvqrSingularity42Asukite). snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 18:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but it will have to be somebody else I believe. I'm sure somebody will get around to it. ASUKITE 18:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:09, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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No evidence is shown to indicate this player meets GNG. He was briefly on the books at Atlanta Silverbacks and some sources indicate he made a single appearance for them, though this isn't indicated in the article and it's hard to find a report for any match he participated in (so there's no way of knowing if it was even a competitive fixture). Whether he played or not, he never received significant coverage and his career is clearly over. JonnyDKeen (talk) 16:45, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. There is longstanding consensus that scraping by on NFOOTBALL with one or two appearances is insufficient when GNG is failed so comprehensively, as is the case here. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 11:21, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Withdrawn by nominator, no !deletes. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 10:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This biography is largely unsupported by sourcing. I previously prodded it, when it only had the passing mention in the New York Times. Now a book reference has been added, but I'm still not convinced if this alone is sufficient for WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. Gustav Richter was clearly an SS officer in Romania at some point. Is that alone notable? The SS was a large organisation. There are many more, bold claims in the article that remain unsubstantiated. If even half of these were true, it is surprising that this 14-year-old article has not garnered a few more reliable sources demonstrating substantial coverage of these events by now. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are several sources that say that he was the advisor on Jewish affairs in Romania, i.e. the officer in charge of implementing the final solution in a country that was firmly in the Nazi camp but still retained some autonomy. This is much more than just being a "normal" SS officer. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was draftify. plicit 14:42, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not meet WP:NFOOTY or WP:NCOLLATH, and WP:GNG mentions seem all trivial/routine so far. I had draftify-ed based on WP:TOOSOON but the page creator reverted it and also de-PROD'ed. I'd suggest draftify again until she makes her NWSL debut. Seany91 (talk) 14:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:11, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NOTNEWS. A tragic event, but no lasting coverage or enduring notability for this unusual but minor incident ("minor" for everyone but the directly involved, just like e.g. thousands of car crashes every day). Got some international attention when it happened due to the combination of "unusual" and "Abba", but such human interest articles come and go swiftly. Fram (talk) 14:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Please tell me, what crime would that be? Show some decency please. Fram (talk) 11:37, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • He killed somebody else by his selfishness. Had he survived he may well have been charged with a crime. And deletion sorting is purely intended to make those who may be interested in a particular subject area aware of relevant AfDs. So your comment is frankly bizarre. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Okay, I get it, no decency at all then. Fram (talk) 11:51, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • This is an encyclopaedia. If you want to emote I suggest you move to social media instead, which would be a better fit. What possible problem is there with putting an AfD in a location where it is likely to be spotted by possible contributors to the discussion? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:37, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • Of course, "crime" people will be so much better at establishing notability for this non-crime recent events story than anyone else. But I'll try to remember that your definition of an encyclopedia is "a place to call some old man who may have committed suicide "selfish" for no good reason, without consideration for who might read this, just because". I hope you feel good about yourself after these priceless contributions which have made this AfD and enwiki so much better, good job. Fram (talk) 16:21, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
              • I'm sure the family of the person he killed and the person he injured don't feel he was selfish in the slightest... If you want to kill yourself then jumping onto a crowd of people is hardly the best way to do it. Presumably you also believe that someone who drinks because they're depressed, gets in their car and kills somebody or who stabs somebody to death while undergoing a psychotic episode is not a criminal either; I think you'll find the courts would disagree! Being suicidal, depressed, mentally ill or whatever does not abrogate you of all responsibility for the effects of your actions on other people. But we digress. Never before have I seen an editor attacked for adding an AfD to a deletion sorting page thus facilitating its wider exposure. Utterly ludicrous overreaction. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                • Actually, in civilized countries, being mentally ill, psychotic, ... often does mean that you are not a criminal according to law, courts, and people with some empathy. But you don't seem to understand that believing that this is not the place nor the time to discuss the guilt, selfishness, ... of the person who fell or jumped, and that doing so is very insensitive, is not the same as saying that the family of the victims may not feel that way or that we mean the opposite. Sometimes, you just need to know when to shut up and show compassion. Fram (talk) 16:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                • Oh well, I see that you are not really the go-to administrator when one wants to have reasoned, adult conversations instead of divisiveness[23], so I shouldn't be too surprised about your behaviour in this AfD (see also your extreme helpfullness in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makhtumkala). Fram (talk) 17:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have no strong opinion on the moral discussion or how this conversation should be sorted but if anyone's interested the crime would, according to the police investigation, be "grovt vållande av annans död", which roughly translates to "first-degree involuntary manslaughter". Source: Sverige Radio P4 Uppland. /Julle (talk) 20:17, 23 December 2021 (UTC))[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 04:31, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not appear to meet WP:NBIO or otherwise demonstrate notability. No significant coverage in independent, reliable sources appears to exist - sourcing appears to be directory entries, books self-published via CreateSpace by the subject, and run-of-the-mill business rankings. firefly ( t · c ) 10:42, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. No prejudice against restoring redirects to the main article if/once it leaves draftspace (which it hasn't, at present). czar 21:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 MotoGP eSports Championship (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This individual season of the MotoGP eSport Championship is not notable. Normally I would redirect to the main article, but it has been (understandably) draftified. I can't find any independent sources that cover the individual seasons of this video game competition; all references are from the MotoGP website or its YouTube channel. I am also nominating the article on the previous season:

2020 MotoGP eSports Championship (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Same story for the 2020 season: all sources are to the MotoGP website, no independent coverage. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 07:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Karikku. Daniel (talk) 04:30, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG nothing more then outside his company. Behind the moors (talk) 15:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tell us exactly which point of WP:CREATIVE is matched and how? Behind the moors (talk) 08:25, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It took days to contact him via LinkedIn. To get permission to use his image in Wikipedia to avoid copyright. I got an image and permission to use it as a free file. That's all. I believe that an article without an image is incomplete. You can check my previous image uploads I contribute images (by taking them directly that I can access) for articles that don't have an image. As I got a copyright message earlier, In his case, I tried to avoid copyright by not using his image from public sources. To conclude, this is not about a conflict of interest, It is all about my effort and time to create this. That is why I asked for help in TH. Please do not misunderstand. I am just waiting for other's votes to conclude. Onmyway22 talk 13:34, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment His only claim to fame is Karikku. Thera Para is a subset of Karikku and I can assure you it will not result in a keep if somebody nominates it for a deletion. He is not the first person to start a digital platform in Kerala, though he indeed is the founder of one of the more popular platforms. Probably a deletion or at best a redirect is in order. Jupitus Smart 18:13, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Burj Khalifa. Daniel (talk) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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A new year's party on top of a building is not a notable event. Fails GNG Whiteguru (talk) 20:22, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify. Don't think we need an AFD discussion here. As of User:Ornithoptera's latest edit, it had {AfC submission|t}, indicating the draft had not been submitted, so it's unclear why User:Leomk0403 submitted it for them. Looking forward to Ornithoptera's continued improvement. (non-admin closure) Reywas92Talk 14:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Insects in Japanese culture (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Original author of the article, draft was published without any consultation or notification through my talk page while I was doing my final exams and the article was clearly unfinished while I took my break, and still is, as major portions within the article are unfinished. Looking to WP:DRAFTIFY the article as per WP:ATD-I, I was directed by the guidelines to do so through AfD. Ornithoptera (talk) 13:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hello Elemimele, you seem to forget the fact that I am Ornithoptera, and I was not meaning to publish it, and the actions were done without any warning whatsoever, the reasons are listed above. I would really appreciate support through this, because these actions were undertaken while I was in the middle of my exams, and I didn't have any choice or knowledge this happened, and I wish to overhaul it before actually putting it through the approval process when I am actually done with the article. --Ornithoptera (talk) 14:31, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 04:28, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Religious teacher who fails WP:NACADEMIC and WP:ANYBIO. No major achievement. All ISKCON Board members are not notable. Promotional Venkat TL (talk) 10:28, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:11, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Results pages exist for senior national teams, but as a rule, not for junior teams. Extending the results service from senior to junior level fails WP:NOTSTATS. Junior teams do not receive the same amount of coverage and their players are not presumed notable. Precedents for deletion include the similar discussions for India, Indonesia and Uzbekistan - in addition, there has been an effort to clean up Asian youth football stats-cruft in the form of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1988 AFC Youth Championship qualification and several related qualifications. Geschichte (talk) 12:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:11, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Results pages exist for senior national teams, but as a rule, not for junior teams. Extending the results service from senior to junior level fails WP:NOTSTATS. Junior teams do not receive the same amount of coverage and their players are not presumed notable. Precedents for deletion include the similar discussions for India, Indonesia and Uzbekistan - in addition, there has been an effort to clean up Asian youth football stats-cruft in the form of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1988 AFC Youth Championship qualification and several related qualifications. Geschichte (talk) 12:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:11, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Results pages exist for senior national teams, but as a rule, not for junior teams. Extending the results service from senior to junior level fails WP:NOTSTATS. Junior teams do not receive the same amount of coverage and their players are not presumed notable. Precedents for deletion include the similar discussions for India, Indonesia and Uzbekistan - in addition, there has been an effort to clean up Asian youth football stats-cruft in the form of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1988 AFC Youth Championship qualification and several related qualifications. Geschichte (talk) 12:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Touched base with a wikidata admin who thought there wasn't much suitable to transwiki. If anyone with more expertise than I wishes to explore that path further, let me know and I will facilitate (undelete for transwiki, etc etc.) Daniel (talk) 09:37, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Data page that mainly consists of question marks rather than actual values. The three only values available are also contained in the chembox of Diborane (section Thermochemistry). Leyo 11:04, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 02:18, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable biography, created by an account with the same name as the subject. Contested draftify. – bradv🍁 06:19, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 02:16, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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First, this page has no sources. It's written confusingly by (whom I assume to be) a non-native English speaker, whom in all likely hood has a COI as this is one of the only pages the account that made the page edited, and is likely a SPA. Upon searching for Isopress it is difficult to find information on, and what I do find does not establish enough basically any notability for this to be warranted as a page. --Tautomers(T C) 06:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 02:16, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NPOLITICIAN. Being the youngest loser in the 1923 UK General Election doesn't do it. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:13, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, as being the youngest candidate at the time is not in itself notable in a long-term (he was nearly 22, so not extraordinarily young or with a claim of being the youngest ever election candidate). There are actually a fair few hits on newspapers.com but very much run-of-the-mill reporting of him being the youngest in that election and all as a passing mention. He didn't appear to have any notable political career and if the only claim is that he nearly won a seat as a young-un, I don't think that will suffice. Someone older at the time, even slightly, would not have an article in similar circumstances. Bungle (talkcontribs) 13:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete We accept all members of legislatures as notable, because legislatures do things that are important. It is not the winning the election that makes someone notable, it is the seating in the legislature. Members of legislatures that are appointed by means other than election, but actually have functions of making laws and the like, are still notable. The coverage here is not significant, and we do not directly say "youngest x is notable", we follow significant coverage, and are not a newspaper, so we take a broad view, and not just the "youngest x in this election".John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:00, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The article seems only to exist because he was the youngest candidate at the 1923 general election, but as others have made clear this does not give him the kind of notability that would merit an article. In the absence of any evidence of other claims for notability, this would seem a clear cut case. Dunarc (talk) 23:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. But not a simple no consensus defaulting to keep. There is a clear consensus that this article needs to be stripped back, modified appropriately, improved and better sourced.

While AfD is not cleanup, it is also not a suicide pact, and if significant modifications aren't made in line with the overwhelming sentiment expressed below over the coming weeks and months, we will be back at AfD in Q2 of 2022 and the outcome could potentially be very different. Daniel (talk) 02:13, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of indigenous peoples (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am not seeing how this is a maintainable or workable list. There is no clear, consistent definition of what defines an "indigenous people" across the entire planet. While the definition of "indigenous peoples" may be clear in some contexts (i.e. Indigenous Australians and Americans) in many others it is not clear what would be defined as an "indigenous person" as opposed to merely an ethnic group that is found in a particular area, such as in most of Africa. Hemiauchenia (talk) 06:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I also endorse the comments of Joe Roe and Austronesier below, which probably get closer to the heart of the issue than my original rationale. Hemiauchenia (talk) 10:06, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @Hemiauchenia it is unbecoming to edit out my statement and claim it to be a personal attack when it was not. It would be better to wait and see if other editors feel that way and to inform me as such (editors may review the edit history to make their own judgement). But being both judge and jury is unfair. Nevertheless, I shall re-explain more gently. This proposal reads as wikilawyering and feels frivolous given how self-evidently this article deserves to remain. If you feel it is so questionable and needing of editing, it would be much better to edit the page, and discuss the issue at hand on its talk page with other editors. Outright deletion is far, far to extreme and unwarranted. --Tautomers(T C) 09:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You can't baselessly accuse me of Wikilayering for writing a deletion nomination that you disagree with. You have not responded to the actual nomination rationale, that the definition of worldwide "Indigenous peoples" is too vague and: inconsistent for a standalone list. I am not opposed for specific lists for the indigenous peoples of Australia and the Americas. Hemiauchenia (talk) 09:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Actually, I can. I'm sorry that you dislike my opionion. This page has existed for over 16 years, has had thousands of edits, with dozens of sources, and hundreds of well-sorted links. It is a clearly well maintained and an important article. Your rationale that it should be deleted simply because it is too vague is nonsensical. You did not even attempt to bring up the issue at hand on the articles talk page to attempt to re-define or engage in a discussion about the articles scope. This is the first AfD this article has been put up for, and was only PRODed several years ago and was promptly removed. Also worth noting this article is also under 30/500 protection via the arbitration committee. Because of this, it does in fact strike me as wikilawyering, at best. At any rate, there is not much more to be said. Other editors can commence with their vote and review. Should this be a keep vote, I would encourage you to discuss on the articles talk page about your concerns over potential vagueness. You could even start that now in the meantime while this is reviewed since it is extremely likely Keep will be the outcome. Carry on~ --Tautomers(T C) 09:45, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
None of the things you have mentioned are at all relevant for whether or not an article should be deleted. Mass killings under communist regimes has a similar antiquity and edit count, and is also under discretionary sanctions, and yet its most recent AfD closed as "no consensus" a few weeks ago. You have still not addressed the nomination rationale. Hemiauchenia (talk) 09:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid that this list is not well-maintained at all, Tautomers. Yes there are dozens of citations—45 at the moment—but that is not a good thing in a contentious list with hundreds of entities. Consider also that nearly half (19) of those citations are concentrated in the section on Jews, Palestinians and Samaritans. – Joe (talk) 10:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep but stubify. I can see where the nominator is coming from, but we've been too hung up on "definitions" in this set of articles. Even UN bureaucrats now recognise that Indigeneity is a question of self-identification, not checklist-criteria. If a group self-identifies as Indigenous, and that claim is recognise in a significant number of reliable sources, then we should include them in articles like this. Of course there will always be disputes and edge-cases, but I don't think that criterion is any less precise than that used in the majority of our lists. That said, this version of the list is a giant mess. I've had it on my watchlist for about a decade and I really can't recall more than a handful of significant, constructive edits in that time. Instead there is just a tiresome repetition of the same disputes (notably the inclusion of Israeli Jews and/or Palestinians) and a familiar cycle where somebody adds their ethnic group, complains when it is reverted because "we've always lived here!", and we have to patiently explain, again, that if we included every ethnic group that has ever been indigenous to anywhere, we'd have to call it list of ethnic groups. Meanwhile, coverage of groups who are without question Indigenous people, and for whom Indigeneity has been a central part of struggles for recognition and legal rights, has been ignored: the sections on North and South America, Australasia, and the Arctic—where the majority of the world's Indigenous peoples live—are woefully incomplete and entirely unsourced. We should take this AfD as an opportunity to start again with verifiable information a inclusion criteria based on Indigenous self-identification and coverage in reliable sources, not armchair lawyering based on what this or that NGO says. – Joe (talk) 09:53, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is a fair take and I have revised my vote to keep instead of speedy keep given this. A page like this is bound to be messy basically however you slice it and it will never be perfect. I noticed the intense bickering when looking through the edit history which (sadly) didn't surprise me. I agree this AfD could be a good opertunity for people to come together and improve the article. The topic is inherently very political and will need to be treaded gently and with understanding. I hesitate to suggest draftify though as I worry it might never exit draft space due to how contentious the topic will certainly become during the editing processs. --Tautomers(T C) 10:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The term "indigenous peoples" has become a catch-all term for politically and culturally marginalized ethnic groups all over the world, and undoubtedly has helped to create awareness about the strife of these peoples. But alas, this does not always match the stricter definitions of the term (which may vary based on the temporal cut-off point and whether the criterion of political participation is included). The current largely unsourced list is all apples and oranges; e.g. why are Amhara, Yorubas, Hausa included (technically they are non-majority autochtonous peoples, but in no way politically marginalized), but not Visayans who are also a non-majority and non-marginalized autochtonous group? Tongans are listed, even though they have all the political power over their country. But still, a huge part of the list contains groups that are Indigenous peoples by all standards, as pointed out by Joe Roe. I am aware of WP:NOTCLEANUP, but I share with the OP the concern of how to realistically turn this into a manageable list that lives up to its definition. At the current state, I'd opt for draftify or TNT-deletestubify. –Austronesier (talk) 09:58, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I am tempted to support deletion, but that would not solve the underlying problem. I do think the List needs to be drastically reformed, and maybe re-named. As other have noted, it is too much of a hodge-podge. In my humble opinion, "indigenous" is a valid term for peoples that entered the awareness of the wider world fairly recently, say, in the last five centuries, and who are now minorities and/or oppressed by other peoples in their own ancestral territory. It overlaps with, but is not the same, as "minority", or "oppressed people", or "ethnic group". I think we need a serious dicussion on what the scope of this list should be and, depending on what that discussion decides, what to call the list. - Donald Albury 16:21, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Insidiously misleading weasel term as others have intuitively grasped and I don't see much room for reform because it's a political term that doesn't match the etymological origin in practice. --Killuminator (talk) 17:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Joe's reasoning. Not only is there a clear definition at the start of the article, there are multiple others linked that say more or less the same thing. I agree that this version of the article is a mess, though. It may be better to make this an outline linking to the articles for respective continents. ThadeusOfNazerethTalk to Me! 12:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, draftify or stubify - While a list on this subject would be useful, this article at present falls short at every turn. I disagree about whether the definition is clear. I'm not sure why it does not simply start with the same definition as on the Indigenous peoples page. Instead, it cites a far more random journal entry. In the definition section, it then seems to paraphrase some elements on the UN definition. Not a great or particularly consistent start. No wonder the article has become an inconsistent WP:COATRACK. I would tend towards delete only because WP:TNT may be the only way to rationalise this content. Overhauling it, when there are no citations for 90% of the content, will be a mammoth effort. Drafting is another reasonably option, but this obviously has the problem of who would take it on. The stubify option is therefore possibly more viable as it, like WP:TNT, would encourage the article to be rebuilt, bottom up, with inline citations throughout justifying the inclusion of individual entries - the ideal level of sourcing intensity for all such lists. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:08, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The definition given in the lead of "Indigenous peoples" constantly changes over time, in December 2020, the defintiion was " ethnic groups who are native to a particular place on Earth and live or lived in an interconnected relationship with the natural environment there for many generations prior to the arrival of non-Indigenous peoples." In October 2019 the definition was "ethnic groups who are the original owners and caretakers of a given region, in contrast to groups that have settled, occupied or colonized the area more recently." Arguably a RfC is needed to fix the definition. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that there are some serious definitional issues at play. The quote They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system. is sourced to some random person (apparently?) and basically ascribes universal political ideals to all indigenous groups across the world - which is absurd. This article can't seem to make its mind up on what it wants to include. I can see this being a viable list, but it's in a moribund state. Also, re the nominator "it is not clear what would be defined as an 'indigenous person' as opposed to merely an ethnic group that is found in a particular area, such as in most of Africa" the most of Africa thing is not exactly true. In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, for example, you have various ethnic groups who are essentially "native" to the country (by political Western standards) and make up the vast majority of the population, such as the Luba people, Lulua people, and Songye people, but because they are descendants of the Bantu migrations thousands of years ago they are not considered "indigenous" in the way Twa/African Pygmies are. In some places, "indigenous" is also a legal category. -Indy beetle (talk) 17:11, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - useful page, and as has been said, it has a definition at the start. However, it needs to be re-written and simplified, having every single tribe listed for each indigenous group could result in this page having tens of thousands of individual entries - and that's not what Wikipedia is. Deathlibrarian (talk) 06:01, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I don't even see why this article was nominated for deletion, the term is defined in the article. I see no huge problems with it.  oncamera  (talk page) 08:29, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but purge This is a horrid article, at least in part, with some people being named as indigenous, where that is at best doubtful; if anything, they are the settler community despite being nomadic. We seem to have Roma and other travelling communities all over western Europe, but the best view is that they migrated from India during the medieval period, long after the area was settled. In Britain the Celtic peoples of the west have a case for being indigenous, but colonisation by Angles, Saxons, Norse Vikings, and then Normans took place so long ago, that the distinction between indigenous and non-indigenous is meaningless. It is utterly different with those parts of the world that have been subject to large-scale colonisation by Europeans, African ex-slaves, Arabs, or Han Chinese. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:33, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This list is maintainable, it is just entirely uncited. The first step in making this article functional is going through every single ethnic group and determining what the current consensus among scholars or the people themselves is. Additionally, this topic is subjective, caveats should be included wherever required.
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The result was delete. plicit 00:07, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I found no significant coverage per WP:BAND. SL93 (talk) 00:51, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - There is the guideline at WP:NBAND about how a band may be notable if it contains members from other notable bands, but that's too much of a stretch for this act. They are only visible in the usual streaming and social media sources, and I can find no reliable reviews of their album. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 00:08, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I PROD'd this article and the tag was removed so I'm nominating this page for deletion. This is a financial adviser who has done some writing, which they all do, and published some books but hundreds of business books are published every year. I don't think that he is particularly notable except for those who subscribe to his newsletter. Liz Read! Talk! 00:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Sourcing isn't nearly enough to establish notability and the article doesn't even establish his notability as a claim. JonnyDKeen (talk) 16:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) -- ওহিদ (💬 | 📝) 11:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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no indication of his notable; if it's, there is no independent reliable secondary sources for verification. Fails, significant coverage, WP:INDEPENDENT, WP:NACADEMIC, WP:BIO. As far as the sources are concerned, the writing of all of them is exactly the same (Obviously, this is not the main cause but still...); see 1, 2. Sources do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article standards for living person & academic prof. Three sources were provided from "asiasociety.org", that's primary and seft published; see 'Abbas Senior Advisor and Bernard Schwartz Fellow at Asia Society'. Creator (BEZH) of this article directly or indirectly attached to Abbas, see; they came here only to make this one, it's looks like spamming. -- ওহিদ (💬 | 📝) 03:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Xxanthippe:Ok, But, It doesn't matter what I'm experienced or not. Matter is that Abbas has no significant coverage at all. People are using his books as reliable sources, Which point do you think that this article 'pass of WP:Prof'? There is no point caught in my eyes any condition to meet the criteria of his significance (especially in WP:NPROF). Thanks -- ওহিদ (💬 | 📝) 04:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Take a look at the scholar link four inches above. It is best to become acquainted with policy in the area before making nominations and carry out WP:Before. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]
  • Keep. The NYT book review should have been a clue that this is a significant enough book author to pass WP:AUTHOR, but the nominated version had only two major-newspaper book reviews. I added more published reviews from academic journals, enough to make the case much more clear. Hint to nominator: the two reviews already listed were in fact in-depth independent reliable secondary sources about the subject's work, so the claim that those sources weren't present is false. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@David Eppstein: Hello, Sir my name is Ohid. I'm from India. Can you look at Amira Sonbol's article what I'm creating now. Is it also notable? Thanks -- ওহিদ (💬 | 📝) 08:37, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Three publications with triple-digit citations on Google Scholar, and roughly 26 reviews of her books listed on JSTOR: yes, doubly so. The reviews of her books could be listed in the article to forestall a discussion such as this one. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: per copyright violence, see here. -- ওহিদ (💬 | 📝) 07:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, it appears very clear that they copied from us rather than vice versa. Look at the history of our article and how that text came to be there. Look at the copyright date on the web page you list it as supposedly copied from. Additionally, I have struck out your comment because nominators are not allowed to !vote a second time (nor is anyone else). You can leave additional comments, but not with a boldfaced "keep" or "delete" unless you want to explicitly change your mind from some earlier opinion, in which case you should strike out the earlier one. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • @David Eppstein: Sir, I'm really sorry, but this author creates controversy at Muhammad's children article. 'Ishan87' told me on my talk page about the editor named by 'Albertatiran' that's why I request to delete this article to help Ishan. Albertatiran quoted from the book by the name of The Prophet's Heir: The Life of Ali ibn Abi Talib, that Muhammad SAW adopted some of his children. Can you help them (Ishan87 & Albertatiran) on Muhammad's children? Thanks. -- ওহিদ (💬 | 📝) 09:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This appears to be totally inappropriate behavior for Wikipedia. Xxanthippe (talk) 10:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]
    • See the times before commenting, I didn't doing any inappropriate behavior with David sir, instead of told him with respectfully. I've withdrawn this article after seeing he has secondary sources. Thank you! -- ওহিদ (💬 | 📝) 10:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete, there is consensus that the subject currently fails our notability criteria--Ymblanter (talk) 21:57, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable singer; reviewer that originally approved the article declined to draftify. I can't find any usable sources on Google (string: ajdaguru), and even before I gutted the article in an attempt to bring it into compliance with policy the sources were all bad, mostly being churnalism. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 01:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • Comment: The singer and musician is notable and his works has appeared in multiple magazines and meets the criteria here under number 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles the user Jéské Couriano has picked apart the article and basically ruined it by false claims of the paid press. Only god can say these pieces were paid for this is a keeper and the subject meets the criteria for notability. we have to understand that in the music industry this is how articles are written from a journalist's point of view. 100 percent of the time the journalist are fans of the artist so this is how the articles are written. The subject indeed is notable there is no reason to delete this. Wikipedia terms state a subject is notable if their works appear in multiple magazines or newspapers or online articles I see several from the subject. Again only God can say the articles were paid other than that. None of the sites offer such services to pay to be on their websites. This article should be kept the sources are not churnalism these journalists are fans of the artist and subject there is no way we can say that the subject is not notable.Godsentme1 (talk) 03:00, 22 December 2021 (UTC) Note to closing admin: [[User:User:Godsentme1|User:Godsentme1]] ([[User talk:User:Godsentme1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/User:Godsentme1|contribs]]) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
  • Comment: All refs and much of the content was removed before the AfD was filed. I restored the content and refs. The value of the refs can be challendged as part of the AfD process, but those (and the content) should not have been removed first. However, after restoring the refs, I deleted two Song BPM refs that contributed nothing of value toward notability. David notMD (talk) 03:41, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
David notMD It's too much going on here as I feel multiple accounts are being run and it's only one user doing all of this. At this point, there are over 5 accounts all attacking me which is run by one user on the site? How fair is that? Also simply because the article was erased like that and removed before being filed for an AFD proves that there is something extremely fishy going on. At this time I cannot believe that someone has the time to create and run multiple accounts and move like this on a site that is marked as the biggest encyclopedia in the world. The reviewer was never supposed to remove the content before the afd was filed? This game ends here I guess because now how am I supposed to go up against the power of the person who is behind all these accounts. I don't see that happening. The subject is notable I shouldn't have to go back and forth for hours about this when this was already accepted the first time. The user who accepted the first time said in the chat that it was borderline but definitely acceptable I say we take the deletion off and put it back. It may be borderline but the reviewer who accepted it even stated it was a pass and stated the previous reviewers who marked as declined made mistakes? So, please keep.Godsentme1 (talk) 04:36, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply: No one is running multiple accounts. The editor who deleted material from the article and is participating in the AfD is an extremely experienced editor who has a expert understanding of what are and what are not valid, reliable source references. Know the bar for notability. As I wrote on your Talk page, improve the article, but do not attack/suspect other editors. David notMD (talk) 05:00, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(talk) Ok you said you removed 2 references that don't contribute to notability, so why didn't you remove the other links if they are not notable? I want us to all participating in this to pay close attention to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles the subject is notable under criteria 1 Hip hop music websites and magazines report news from staff and editors on the site. The person who started the deletion stated staff articles can't be accepted but this is the music industry where staff and editors write about the music artist. I think if we were talking about a sports subject or science subject then that would be different. Anyone participating in this takes a moment and see for yourself that hip-hop magazines and online websites report news from staff and editors who are admins of the website. I think the problem we are having is that you guys are thinking some form of pay is happening for these articles when these are legit and written by journalists who are independent of the subject. A staff of a credible magazine works for the magazine so how can't we count these? Again no attacks, I strongly again believe this is a keeper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godsentme1 (talkcontribs) 06:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: You don't need charts to be notable per Wikipedia guidelines there are many musicians that are on Wikipedia and they have never charted. Per Wikipedia guidelines here under criteria 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles the subject is notable. The subject was already approved because the reviewer stated it was a pass and nothing has changed still a pass. Per Wikipedia guidelines subject works appeared in multiple magazine articles and online articles we can't overlook this. Artists that subject produced for have never charted and they have live Wikipedia's. The subject is being targeted for deletion when he is clearly a notable musician. Charts are not the only thing that makes you notable. One of the users who's saying the sources are questionable was the same user on my talk page congratulating me when the article was approved now is here saying to delete there is some conflict of interest going on and we need real reviewers to take a look at this. Please go to my talk page and see the same user who says delete he was on my talk page saying congratulations. His exact words were "Congratulations!!" "steep learning curve but you made it!" A clear example that this deletion does not need to exist. Please see my talk page for proof. A lot of bias and wrong things occurring towards the subject. No attacks I am giving cold facts at this point. Something needs to be done subject is notable. Under option one "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself".[note 1]Godsentme1 (talk) 19:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Let us first deal with the AFC acceptance. As a reviewer myself I accept drafts that I believe have a better than 50% chance of surviving a deletion process. Although some drafts never see the light of "day" in main space, as soon as the draft is accepted the community gets an opportunity to make a determination. The community is made up of many people. The reviewer who accepts a draft is one editor. All reviewers understand that their acceptance my be challenged at AfD. This is normal, and healthy. This acceptance has been challenged, whcih is why we are here
    The creating editor has made much of the fact that a reviewer accepted the draft. They need to get past that. This is now with the community to determine, and the actions of the highly experienced accepting reviewer are in the past, and are wholly irrelevant.
    There are multiple criteria in WP:NMUSICIAN that allow acceptance. I've studied each of those and studied the referencing used to cite the facts presented the article. I have compared the article and the referencing to NMUSICIAN, and am not persuaded that it meets any of the numbered criteria within it (modified for context as stated in the overall guide to it). Thus I am certain in my view that the article should not remain here. I believe it to be WP:TOOSOON.
    I recognise the creating editor's passionate attachment to their work. I am willing to reconsider if they either:
    * enhance the article to show compliance and show that it then complies (WP:HEY apples)
    * show clearly and briefly which numbered criterion they rely on and thereby change my mind
    I apologise for the length of my opinion (irony).
    tl;dr summary: The draft acceptance was in the past, and should be ignored. The article fails WP:NMUSICIAN. If it is improved to pass I can be persuaded to change my mind. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 22:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I see they cite Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself above. I do not see it as passing that criterion. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 22:16, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I did my due diligence on the subject and all the sourcing I found were promotional pieces submitted by his marketing team. I believe it is WP:TOOSOON for the subject to have his own Wikipedia article. Perhaps in the future! Wish him the best of success as a musician. Missvain (talk) 01:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Promotional pieces submitted by his marketing team wow how do you come up with these theories? Anyhow keep the subject meets the musician criteria to belong on Wikipedia besides it's only been one day since it's been nominated for deletion everyone here is attacking and making claims when no marketing team put these out at least two articles from the subject meets the criteria it may borderline at the time but it's still passing. Definitely a keep again I'm looking to fix the article up a little so everyone just relax and stop attacking it how can you make these false claims that his marketing team put these out when he doesn't even have a marketing team just me here which is his manager so sad but keeper thanks.Godsentme1 (talk) 01:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete A clear case of WP:TOOSOON. May be notable in a few years, but as of present there's not enough significant coverage out there in reliable secondary sources to establish notability. It should also be mentioned that the user desperately trying to have the article kept is a disclosed paid editor on behalf of the article's subject. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:14, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: All claims made that he has worked with GLC, Chevy Woods, and King Chip; as well as featured on different magazines is also fake. I really have strong iiffy vibes that reviewer Primefac is involved in undisclosed paid editing here. 2402:3A80:10C1:96C1:E10D:BF8E:6476:8F06 (talk) 03:47, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    You really think Primefac risked his reputation here for this article? Gonnym (talk) 12:04, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The subject is notable they coming up here attacking the subject saying he didn’t work with Chevy Woods, King Chip, or GLC this is public information. I’m disappointing in these discussions. The musician is notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.1.101.199 (talk) 03:58, 23 December 2021 (UTC) 76.1.101.199 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Disruptive comments by anonymous editor
Keep: they up here attacking the subject stating he did not produce or work with king chip, Chevy woods, or GLC? This is next level attacking here and it’s insane. The subject is clearly notable these crackers just don’t want to see a black man prevail. This is a case of racism and more. I hope the subject and the editor sue the entire wikimedia for damages on his name. I’m a witness that he’s being targeted and will testify in the court of law. The subject has been covered in multiple news sources independent of the subject?? What is this here? Also the creator of the article by right has 7 to 14 days to improve the article? But yet and still you people are saying delete the article now. The attacks here are really breaking the law. What about the fair chance to improve the article? (WP:HEY you people here need to go celebrate the holidays and stop committing crimes on an encyclopedia. It’s people here calling the subject all types of names which is against the law “Defamation” at the highest level. You people have lost it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.1.101.199 (talk) 04:08, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article is a case of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Heymann_Standard and will be enhanced and improved the subject has been doing music since a very young age and has had national radio play across the world. I just need to plug the info in. Again the subject is notable I'm currently enhancing the article it's been two days since it was nominated for deletion it will be fixed with the proper information thank you. The article will comply it's just was another case of (WP:HEY apples) at the time but it's currently being fixed to meet and comply with Wikipedia standards.Godsentme1 (talk) 03:27, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:HEY is an essay, neither policy nor a guideline, but it doesn't apply anyway. The article is not in better shape now than it was when it was nominated. If it is kept, it will have to be heavily pruned. But despite the ridiculous amount of detail, there is still no claim to notability. --bonadea contributions talk 18:28, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:NMUSICIAN, the early life section is appallingly sourced garbage..."Noble Peace Prize'!! Whole section should be removed it gives zero support to any notability and frankly looks like absolute desperation by COI editor to pad the article out. Theroadislong (talk) 18:43, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat off-topic discussion of paid status and more paragraphs of defence of the article
  • Theroadislong Hello good day. the early life section are events that happened in his life. There is no desperation because I am not getting paid money for this. Again the subject I manage because I believe in his music. I promise you there is no financial gain. If it was I would have no problem stated that seeing that I am already marked as a coi editor. The noble peace prize was a real event the subject won. His early life again is not designed for notability This information is all facts. I'm here because I believe in the subjects music not because of some piece of paper so serious, but many will continue to bash me. I personally know the subject so I can vouch for these events. There is no claim to notability in the early life. If it's a biography I felt we needed to include the real facts and the info. The subject has been played on major radio which also meets number eleven criteria here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles for that he is notable. The noble peace prize was an event that occurred in his early life. Also, it's not sourced garbage. It's from a credible source with editorial oversight. The source has been active online for over 12 years. I am not here to lie just here to fix and add the facts that were left out. Godsentme1 (talk) 18:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    From your own userpage: "Godsentme1, in accordance with the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use, discloses that they have been paid by AJDaGuru for their contributions to Wikipedia." Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:57, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes Trainsandotherthings that is because when I was creating the article I was not making edits to any other subject. So one of the editors came to me and told me I had to mark myself as a coi editor. Again I know the subject and Is not gaining one cent for this. But because I'm only focused on his article, I agreed to the editor to mark me as a coi editor. I know the subject life and can vouch for the information. It's all true and facts. Again If I was earning from this I would be honest and would not go back and forth with anyone. But I can swear on my life that a car can run me over the next minute that I am not getting paid any amount of money. This is strong belief in the subjects music and career. I know the subject personally and want to push for him out of love. Not from a piece of paper This is pure passion for the subject I cannot take money from him I've known the subject personally for more than 20 years. Again no dollar amount can fill or replace how much I believe in the subject not one single dollar. And that is my word, as a man that is all I have is my word and this is the true facts. If I was getting paid again I would just say it here I'm not child, I would never go against my word I was raised to stand on my word not be out here making up things and telling lies. Karma is real and I'm in no position to face that. That is why I do my best to be honest in everything I do. If money was being made there would not be a back and forth with me. I would have said that loudly if there was money involved. again I'm already marked as a coi editor so me trying to hide that would be pointless. I was there in the club when the subject music was playing nationally on radio he really was performing locally even after his song was charting at number one nationally I seen these events with my two eyes nothing I can guarantee and I mean nothing in the article is a fib or some random lie. I could not live me life knowing that lies was in there. If I noted he won the noble peace prize it's because he did. Not to claim notability, but it's a biography. Godsentme1 (talk) 19:05, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Godsentme1, you said you were the article subject's manager. That means you're being paid to promote him. —valereee (talk) 19:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know where this Peace Prize nonsense came from, but according to the official list he has not received it.Primefac (talk) 19:27, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I suspect it's something some elementary school teacher dreamed up for the best essay about MLK: the "Noble" Peace Prize. —valereee (talk) 19:29, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh yeah, definitely my mistake, Nobel ≠ Noble and I definitely misread it as the former. Nothing wrong with listing the latter prize, but it doesn't actually mean anything. Primefac (talk) 19:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    —valereee I'm his manager by choice not by pay. Again I know the subject personally and money cannot define that. I'm a manager by choice. I can get up and leave today and not have a problem because again I'm not being paid for this. If I was my ancestors would haunt me for telling these bold face lies. This again is by choice to manage the subject. Some people do run off of passion in the world, and money does not move me. It's a piece of paper and my integrity is way higher than that. Also (talk) yes it was a prize given to him by a kindergarten teacher There was no claim to notability for that, It does mean something if it happened in his life it's a biography that type of info is needed. The subject is notable by way of his music being played on major radio on a national level and holding the number one spot for four weeks straight.Godsentme1 (talk) 19:39, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – I could have sworn I voted here earlier but apparently not. Subject is a non-notable musician. The bludgeoning and disruption here doesn't make a great case for keeping either, plus I was on IRC while they were (and Jéské too) and the threats (both legal and not) and personal attacks issued there meant that they eventually got kicked. Thanks for blocking, GN – this is a waste of time. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 19:55, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Big keep: Go look at the articles talk page I see editor pointed out over 5 pages that’s on Wikipedia right now that don’t belong on the platform and is not notable. Something fishy is going on.🐠 If Ajdaguru is not notable then 75 percent of these articles on the website is not notable. I seen from my own two eyes 👀 articles with dead links and one reference including interviews of subjects. But I see the editor being told that he can’t use interviews. There is a ton of bias things happening here and the subject has been played on national radio. I’m back again to say something is wrong here stop attacking the editor and subject and keep the article. Look at the articles editor pointed out on the talk page go see for yourself half those articles can’t contend with Ajdaguru. Wikipedia should not be bias if they are going to be bias then get rid of this website because that’s not what a encyclopedia is built on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.1.101.199 (talk) 08:53, 28 December 2021 (UTC) 76.1.101.199 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Delete He has some coverage, for example [26] and [27] and [28] but they look kind of PR'ish. I think he is on the cusp of making it, so I think it is a case WP:TOOSOON, at the moment, as his social media presence is low, while two of his songs are streaming well, but for small crowd. The refs that are there are of a similar type. Too early I think. scope_creepTalk 10:59, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep See someone say pr the artist have coverage that I noticed that don't look like pr? Look like a crew came together to get this article out of here so many delete and he have air play wuh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.247.163.226 (talk) 16:52, 28 December 2021 (UTC) Duplicate vote by IP struck. Primefac (talk) 17:34, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Browns Canyon National Monument. Daniel (talk) 01:58, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Deprodded with "Notable enough to have a page in the Geographic Names Information System; why does Wikipedia have to have a higher standard for notability?" Yes, Wikipedia does in fact have a higher standard for notability because the WP:GNIS does not determine notability at all, it's merely a database of any name that has ever appeared on a map. They have no discretion in determining "notability" and quite frequently make mistakes in their classification! The topo map that the GNIS took its data from clearly shows just a site on the railroad. Several newspapers.com results mentioning the location near Browns Canyon, often as "Browns canon" with lowercase c, without establishing notability. Reywas92Talk 01:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Post offices and census-tracts are not evidence of legal recognition. One is a business that could be operated off someone's porch, or as part of a store, the other is simply an accounting-unit for population within a larger community. FOARP (talk) 10:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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