Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Schultz

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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:37, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Schultz

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Does not meet WP:BIO it is "not notable" - Reference 1 is a review of the band. Reference 2 (Although maybe from the NYT) is still a review of a band. Reference 3 does not exist. Reference 5 Does not refer to schultz at all. Rudolph Steiner (talk) 01:28, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or redirect - Keep, or redirect to Pigface (or Lab Report). --Jax 0677 (talk) 03:18, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, save for the redirect to Pigface part. Yes, he's an early contributor to Pigface but nobody who happens to be looking for info on Schultz is really going to find any by reading the Pigface article. NJZombie (talk) 03:53, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Not sure why the user proposing this is focused on articles they themselves created and previously successfully defended from deletion, all related to Matthew Schultz and Lab Report, but that's what seems to be happening. At best, I could see a merger of the related articles but a total purge of all related information seems severe. NJZombie (talk) 03:23, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A merger would be a good idea. The ATG wikipage covers the intrument used in Lab Report and Pigface. The Pigface page covers his envolvment in Pigface and the Lab Report page covers his involvment in that project. Would you support a merger? Rudolph Steiner (talk) 14:28, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

* I'll chime in here. This is actually Matthew Schultz. So here is a the conflict of interest. This is directly in my interest. Recently, I am working with several others (this includes some in the music business - yet to be announced) in building a charity to assist those in addiction recovery and with sobriety maintenance. We are also working to develop drug prevention programs for kids. You can image that over the past 25 years, I, as well as many of my friends, have fallen victim to drugs and/or alcohol. It seems being in the music business. This is almost a given. I have lost fellow Pigface band mates like Paul Raven and William Tucker to drug related/depression issues. I have even played Cold Waves in Chicago to support the charity for Jamie Duffy who was also a friend and my sound guy for my band Lab Report. These lost friends are a just a few, amongst many. I have seen so many fall to the wayside and I have worked to help many more. I was an addict back in the ’90s and I was a lucky one who made it out alive, given the amount of drugs we did. Over the years I have worked and studied to develop programs that help addicts with recovery and sobriety maintenance. What I found and utilized were indigenous practices, like the sweat lodge, to find a center and move away from addiction. The charity that I am building will generate funding in order to offer these same services to those in need. I utilize the indigenous practices from around the world, that I have studied for the past 20 years, in a means to offer an additional healing modality to addicts and those in recovery, and to offer youth prevention programs. So...I want you to imagine that a parent is deciding whether or not to send their child to a summer prevention camp. These would be weekend warrior retreats that offer drum and rattle making classes, sweat lodges for kids, along with other survival, outdoor activities and finally, they all dance around a huge fire playing their instruments. Sounds great? Or imagine a possible investor to our charity is doing a bit of research and Googled me (Matthew Schultz)? What they will see a series of aggregated information mostly based on the Wikipedia page and through that Pigface. Here is the thing. The horribly titled songs that Pigface created, don’t represent me AND I never wrote them. Many of the songs that are associated with me because of the wiki page were written after I left the band. Why do I have to pay a penalty because of a wiki page? The information exists on several other pages. Although I wish it was gone there too, actually. Can we not allow that Matthew Schultz page to be deleted or merged? I am attaching an image of the search. Thank you. I know it is not wikipedias fault. But times are changing as is technology. I never thought that I would wake up and see that a Google search would associate me with thingsI never did. I have also contacted Googles search department about this. I would like to hear your thoughts. Thank you. Here is a link to screen capture of the search. http://mattschultz.com/Screen-Shot.jpg MattSchultz2014 (talk) 21:18, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As I said above, I see no real issue with your page being merged into Lab Report. However, having done the same search in Google for your name, I think a Wikipedia page deletion is only going to remove a small portion of the results in Google's sidebar results as only a minimal portion of the results shown there lead back to Wikipedia. All of the album images and titles will still show, for example. NJZombie (talk) 02:11, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Suggesting a merge or deletion. - I would have to agree about the information being freely available on other pages. His involvement in Pigface is well documented on the Pigface page, and the same for his involvement in Lab Report. There is little to suggest that a dedicated personal page must exist when it is basically information copied from or contained in other pages. Also, I believe him to be correct in his assumption that data retrieved from Wikipedia is used in search results, and are creating false positives due to the aforementioned association with the band.

Furthermore I may suggest that this page may be subject to deletion based on WP:PROMOTION as the page creation date was well after his involvements in Lab Report and Pigface and only doing solo work, for which I see no citations. I vote for merger or deletion.--bowensanders (talk) 22:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:54, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What are we going to do then? MattSchultz2014 (talk) NJZombie (talk) Jax 0677 (talk) bowensanders (talk)

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