Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nancy Salisbury

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, consensus is that sources establish sufficient notability. Davewild (talk) 12:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nancy Salisbury

Keep: AfD chosen (by article creator) over speedy delete for community input. Thanks. Yellow-bellied sapsucker (talk) 03:34, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - does not meet WP:BIO only source is her obituary. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 03:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that her biodata is derived from her obits, but I do not think that necessarily precludes her from notability. A lot of people did not become known until after their deaths. Numerous articles appear in Wikipedia whose content came from their obits. Yellow-bellied sapsucker (talk) 05:22, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, well below WP:BIO. A high-school principal with an obituary does not add up to notability. --Dhartung | Talk 07:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, she was the head of a famous and historic NY school for 20 years, A restrictive Google news archive search demonstrates that an article could be written on her sourced in "multiple non-trivial" sources. One obit does not a notable person make, but a lengthy New York Times obit might do, and coupled with the other sources (I found 4 more in about 20 seconds) I think this nun is notable. Lobojo (talk) 13:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The google news search are all recreations of her obituary, a mention of her replacement, and two artciles on the school where she is mentioned or quoted. They do not in any way establish her notability. If her only claim of notability is the position as the head of a school, her information should be merged with the school page. She was not notable prior to death and the instance of death does not create notability. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 14:12, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That's correct. To establish notablility you need to show two non-trivial sources. She got a bunch of mentions in the NYT and elsewehere, and a lengthy obit in the US paper of record. Frankly I think that if the NYT sees fit to print a obit of someone that establishes notablity automatically. If she is notable enough to they there she is certainly notabtle enough to be here alongside every single pokemon charachter.And no on point of fact, only one is a reprint of her obit. There are 3 other major sourced discussing her in a non-trivial way, so this is an open and shut case. Lobojo (talk) 17:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Can you provide some sources please. I can not find anything other then mentions of her death, retirement, or quotes that any principle of a school would have plenty of. I can not find any papers she published or causes she championed. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 16:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Sure her retirement is reported in the NYT, here she in the NYT at the schools centenial [1], here is a artilce on her and her schools annual nativity thingy: [2]. Here is her obit [3], another one on her retirement [4] Lobojo (talk) 17:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those references perhaps establish notability for the school, but their mention of Ms Salisbury is only circumstantial. I must say that I haven't seen much evidence for notability for her yet. --Crusio (talk) 17:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to point out that the notability of the school is directly related to Sister Salisbury. In 1990, the school received a Blue Ribbon Award for Academic Excellence from the United States Department of Education. She is also notable for being vice chairwoman of the board of the New York State Association of Independent Schools (NYSAIS) and headed its accreditation commission. Respectfully submitted. Yellow-bellied sapsucker (talk) 14:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep NYT obituaries are extremely selective, and have always been accepted here as sufficient sources by themselves to prove notability. In general, heads of really major schools are often notable. But without the NYT, this would require more exact documentation. with it, there's all that could possibly be wanted. DGG (talk) 06:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per DGG. --Crusio (talk) 11:18, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. As principal of a notable school, notability is questionable. However, her notability is further established by the references to her role in NYSAIS and as board member on several other schools, as described in the Affiliations section. If those roles can be firmed up with additional verifiable sources, it would become a Strong Keep. Truthanado (talk) 19:38, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
comment One very strong indisputable 3rd party source for notability is generally considered sufficient. Unlike obits in other papers, the NYT obits are generally considered such a source. DGG (talk) 20:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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