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The result was Delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:19, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Numeer Nabi

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1. Notability is not established. 2. Unreliable references.Most of them dead links or links leading to self publishing platforms or website of the concerned person. External links are no different. 7Sidz (talk) 19:11, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 19:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]


3. Notability can be established from [1][2][3] as these are not self publishing platforms . these are notable news papers platforms — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlawe (talk • contribs) 08:10, 30 July 2014 (UTC) — Carlawe (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]


4. i think notabilty has been established with refrence of persons name in book among notable people— Preceding unsigned comment added by Slaganwr (talk • contribs) 05:39, July 30, 2014 (UTC)— Slaganwr (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

6. The newspaper references (1,2 or 3) DO NOT contain the name Numeer Nabi in any of the articles. Also, Why is it that accounts of users who have not even been auto confirmed getting into this? Is this a proxy mode of getting support for the article?

If the book is publised, do let the community know about the ISBN Number of the book. You name the author as Raghubir Lal Anand. A Google search revealed no notable author of the name. What are his credentials? 7Sidz (talk) 19:31, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Desperate attempts are being made now. 7Sidz (talk) 18:21, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]


7. The newspaper references DO contain the name Numeer Nabi as celebrity profile and topic | ISBN 9781482818222 is number of book . [4] [5] [6]

The person has acted in international [7]movie also [8] [9] [10] [11]

8. Another new user registration? When will this acts end? So you say that the news paper references do contain the name, for your reference the links are: i) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Numeer-Nabi ii) http://wn.com/numeer_nabi iii)http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/numeer-nabi

Tell me the difference between that page and a fictitious name made up by me: i) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/John-Castle ii) http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/John-Castle Cite specific lines that say about the concerned person. So, it's a self published book again.

9. i had contributed to the page some time before . I think book bearing [12][15] is not self published . [13][16]

[14] [15][17]i added google search link of both author and publisher for notability issue i add few links may be these help in discussion [16] [17] [18] [19] 

Modlgear (talk) 22:21,31 july 2014 (UTC) — Modlgear (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Metroindia (talk • contribs).

10.why is it getting personal here . if person has notability let it be here 

   in my opinion we should contribute links and references to improve article 
   the book discussed is published by Penguin (publisher) sublet partridge publication 
   so ISBN Number of the book is valid and it is a valid reference [20][18] even if we doubt    other references
 
 Kashmir proud (talk) 00:21, 1 August 2014 (UTC)— Kashmirproud (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Metroindia (talk • contribs). [reply]
11.Not a self publishing platform? Well quoting the first few lines from the Patridge India website

link: "Welcome to Partridge India, a new supported self-publishing imprint from Author Solutions LLC" And what's more, the author has to subscribe to one of the plans (i.e.give money) to get the book published.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 7Sidz (talk • contribs) 14:55, August 1, 2014 (UTC)


12 All major publishing platforms include this option that does not mean you can publish any thing .Author is notable so is book it is not about person but Kashmir valley other references . links about movie can be validated as non self publishing platforms link

[21] also [22] [23] [24] [25]

links for reference [26]can be validated similar to [27]. not self published bt published by editor and created due to notability


(Kashmir proud • Kashmir proud|contribs)13:21,2nd august 2014 (UTC)— Kashmirproud (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Metroindia (talk • contribs).

13. Referring to your comment 7Sidz that u created john castle . i dont think john castle is a fictitious character but well know personality and profiles on these newspapers refer to notable people may be there is no news about them in corresponding news paper but still persons are notable that is why news profile is created so as u commented :- (Tell me the difference between that page and a fictitious name made up by me: i) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/John-Castle ii) http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/John-Castle Cite specific lines that say about the concerned person. So, it's a self published book again. ) your saying that you created johncastle as fictious character is baseless so re-access your debate . for you books links documents all are fictious all news papers publishers websites all are self created and published .

Modlgear (talk) 22:21 , 2 August 2014 (UTC)— Modlgear (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Metroindia (talk • contribs).

14. A few posts before the debate was that the book is NOT self published and now the debate has shifted altogether! A lot many duplicate references are being created in the name of proving "notability".

Yeah, Modlgear why not? So is xyz yem also a notable person for you? If for a second, i assume your above stated arguments to be true. Then, xyz yem must be a notable person. See for yourself http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/xyz-yem http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/xyz-yem

Knowing that administrators know best about Wikipedia, I leave this debate up to administrators to decide now.


7Sidz (talk) 17:33, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

15. topic is jumping away from here there . As you say xyz yem 7Sidz it topics dont include persons only but interests also

I simplifying this discussion i highlight links and references neutrally on top of discussion to make it simple and precise Modlgear (talk) 6:18 , 3 August 2014 (UTC)— Modlgear (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Metroindia (talk • contribs).


My comment is recent than most other comments i am placing it on top to simplify the discussion The topic seems dragging away to and fro during discussion multiple accounts with not good credibility trying to support page and accounts against topic drift it away from main theme so for simplification purpose of topic discussion i summarize topic and discussion neutrally leaving rest to admin

1.1 References in book [28] Book:- IS God DEAD?????: The Truth about Jammu & Kashmir by RAGHUBIR LAL ANAND ISBN 9781482818222 is reg. number of book

credibility of book references IS God DEAD?????: The Truth about Jammu & Kashmir link 2author credibilitylink 3 for author credibility

1.2 References for presence of person in movie link 1link 2link 3

Reference for credibility of movie link 1link 2 link 3

1.3 links and references of name included with highly notable people link 1link 2link 3
1.4 Links to discography and filmography link 1
1.5 Non credible and weak links link 1 link 2link 3link 4link 5link 6link 7link 8

I summarized all of discussion on basis of links classifying all links into groups including comments of all users . Hope all users here Jinkinson 7Sidz Kashmir proud Slaganwr Carlawe are satisfied with effort of me summarizing this discussion in neutral fashion

Modlgear (talk) 6:54 , 3 August 2014 (UTC)— Modlgear (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Metroindia (talk • contribs).

A point or two from my side :

i) Refer to the lead section of the article Numeer Nabi : 'music director, producer host, and social worker' words like 'world wide fame, when surely there has been NO article in Indian media about him.

ii)No reference(s) once again, (while containing peacock terms) for "Further, "Valley's 1st ever 1080! HD video. It met a lot of success taking yafak' s YouTube channel to the level of most popular channel and most trending video in Kashmir."

iii) A registered book that is based on a self publishing platform.

iv)Further, IMDb's use is disputed in certain cases or inappropriate.

v) "Highly notable" people reference guides to "Can you guess the names of ex-lovers?" of three different websites. All these problems make the article "unverifiable" (violates WP:V) and containing "original research" (violates WP:NOR) The page was clearly made as a way for self promotion and advertising.

7Sidz (talk) 09:01, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]


16 Few Points from my side . A reply to 7Sidz . Arash is Tehran born singer a very notable personality all over world even he has no article in a newspaper to support his notability according to your view point this does not mean Arash is not notable . Singers , models depend on other platform for fame . i include search result for Arash on google Search result for Arash on google 

As far as Numeer nabi is considered music is published over 20 platforms around world and there are references for    
   supporting person as notable person as person also acted in movies outside own country
Besides previous mentioned refrences I mention few with links here



None of these platforms or websites is self publishing (Kashmir proud • Kashmir proud|contribs)18:25 ,3rd august 2014 (UTC)— Kashmirproud (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Metroindia (talk • contribs).

    • Arash?
BTW it has been wikilinked to the wrong Arash.

Arash's notability comes from the fact that EUROVISION's website itself states his name and has uploaded his video songs.

As for the links are concerned. Reliability again, my friend. It's NOT the number of links but the quality. Those links contain content farms, forums, blogs. 7Sidz (talk) 17:26, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • delete with extreme prejudice Even if the subject is notable (which does not seem to be shown by the references that are in the article itself, those that actually work) the article itself is so incoherent that there is essentially nothing here worth trying to save in mainspace.... the article would require a complete rewrite to become even remotely encyclopedic, and as this AfD shows in extreme detail, none of the interested parties seems sufficiently competent with Wikipedia editing or content policies to make with required changes without extreme mentoring through the AfC process. Reventtalk 17:29, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • 19: I dont think the below given links are blogs or farm static links but reliable platforms

(Kashmir proud • Kashmir proud|contribs)09:17 , 4th August 2014 (UTC)— Kashmirproud (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Metroindia (talk • contribs).

References

  1. ^ [1]
  2. ^ [2]
  3. ^ [3]
  4. ^ refrence to notability of author and book
  5. ^ [4]
  6. ^ [5]
  7. ^ movie
  8. ^ [6]
  9. ^ movie
  10. ^ [7]
  11. ^ [8]
  12. ^ ISBN 9781482818222
  13. ^ reference
  14. ^ [9]
  15. ^ reference to publisher of book
  16. ^ http://www.moviesession.net/watch-shabane-rooz-2011-online
  17. ^ http://www.iran-web.rozblog.com/post/12656
  18. ^ http://www.chizomiz.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8083:Shabaneh-Rooz&catid=73:Movies&Itemid=147
  19. ^ http://www.barnesandnoble.com/enwiki/w/is-god-dead-raghubir-lal-anand/1118614164?ean=9781482818239
  20. ^ reference
  21. ^ movie
  22. ^ [10]
  23. ^ [11]
  24. ^ [12]
  25. ^ [13]
  26. ^ link1
  27. ^ link2
  28. ^ [14]
  • Delete - Delete as per WP:NACTOR. I don't know if all above external links and broken html/wiki tags making any sense. Well, it does not have significant coverage in free media (and please don't give all above links agian). I guess this could be the case of WP:COI as the infobox image is claimed to be owned by the contributor. CutestPenguin {talk • contribs} 17:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete. Fails NACTOR, couldn't find any mention in independent sources, and nothing worth saving. APerson (talk!) 18:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not Delete enough reference and links to support . Enough independent sources and platforms for supporting article

Modlgear (talk) 9:54 , 4th August 2014 (UTC)— Modlgear (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Metroindia (talk • contribs).

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