Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Recurring enemies in The Legend of Zelda

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The result was delete. Overwhelming consensus that the subject fails WP:GNG. Just Chilling (talk) 23:42, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Recurring enemies in The Legend of Zelda

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Basically Wikia-cruft level material that as a whole does not satisfy WP:GNG. The majority of the sources are WP:PRIMARY and the secondary ones are from Top-10 lists and the like. Most of the enemies, if they even have a source, only have 1. A lot of the information is also duplicated at Universe of The Legend of Zelda._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Compare to List of recurring Mario franchise enemies. (I have no opinion on either one of these, but my thoughts in the matter is that one or the other existing provides a WP:OTHERSTUFF issue.) Steel1943 (talk) 23:53, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of recurring Mario franchise enemies seems equally as crufty in my opinion, if not moreso. There are virtually no secondary sources commenting on any of the characters, just descriptions like a WP:GAMEGUIDE._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:57, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @Zxcvbnm: Feel free to nomination that one too if you desire. However, my concerns with either one of these being deleted is that there will be readers who attempt to look up the characters/enemies listed on these lists, get a WP:REDLINK (since all redirects towards these lists would then be eligible for WP:G8 in theory), and the articles that have been redirected to these lists due to lack of notability as standalone subjects will be recreated, WP:NOTWIKIA or not. These lists existing act as a magnet for their incoming redirects, helping ensure that these independently unnotable subjects do not get recreated again as articles. Steel1943 (talk) 23:59, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Then WP:SALT the character names so they can't be recreated without a draft? In this case that doesn't apply though, since there is still Universe of The Legend of Zelda that everything redirects to._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 00:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That Mario equivalent list is equally bad when it comes to independent notability. It shouldn’t exist either. Sergecross73 msg me 02:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not remotely independently notable. Notable game series? Of course. That enemies of it separately notable? Not even close. The Mario variant suffers the same issues. Wikia level stuff. Sergecross73 msg me 01:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge This information is already at Universe_of_The_Legend_of_Zelda#Creatures. Some reliable sources referenced now do mention some of the enemies, but most aren't referenced at all, so probably best to just redirect this to the other article and if anything isn't already there and worth keeping merge it over. Dream Focus 01:29, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The main problem is that the list in Universe of The Legend of Zelda is also cruft and should be excised from the article. So ultimately there would be nowhere to merge that would make any sense since it is unfit for merging. In fact the majority of that article needs a massive cleanup and addition of secondary sources as it predominantly depends on ingame quotes, interviews and Hyrule Historia (all WP:PRIMARY)._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, that article was originally located at Hyrule and it may make sense to move it back to that name so it can have a more focused subject, similar to Spira (Final Fantasy). Renaming it just brought on the addition of large amounts of cruft._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This is pure cruft, with nearly all of these entries not being sourced by reliable sources, but rather fan sites, game guides, or the games themselves. The very few entries here that could be argued to have any sort of notability are already covered at other articles. Nothing here is worth merging, and its an unlikely search term making a redirect pointless. Rorshacma (talk) 15:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per others. Wikia's exist for this exact thing. List of recurring Mario franchise enemies should also be officially nominated for the same reasons. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It now has been, FYI. Sergecross73 msg me 17:14, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The section at Universe_of_The_Legend_of_Zelda#Creatures is sufficient to cover these, and even there, that needs some trim-down - we don't need to know how an enemy changed on each iteration of the game. --Masem (t) 17:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a section on Zelda enemies already exists in the Universe of The Legend of Zelda article. I am uncertain of the title's value as a redirect as I would not imagine that someone will type out the entire thing in the search bar. The Universe of The Legend of Zelda article requires a lot of attention, but that is a separate issue from this AfD. Aoba47 (talk) 18:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 20:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, The article itself does not meet WP:GNG. Alex-h (talk) 11:23, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I love Zelda, but this article has to go. It does not meet the WP:GNG. AmericanAir88^(talk) 21:08, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete - Per nom. This in no way meets the general notability guideline, and worst of all it doesn't even have reliable sources. It's more of a guide to how to play the game rather than anything substantive. If this stays, you might as well make, List of Mario franchise cheat codes or List of people who like playing Mario franchise games as well. Michepman (talk) 18:09, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails GNG. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the Article because it fail WP:GNG.Forest90 (talk) 14:10, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I think we now have a consensus that this article has to go! - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:31, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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