Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TVD Universe

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. After looking at this more closely, one only person wants to keep this, and they have 145 edits, most of which about this topic. Sandstein 16:45, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

TVD Universe

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Fails WP:GNG is totally unsourced and is not mentioned in any of the bluekinks on the page. Draftified but recreated without improvement Dom from Paris (talk) 12:09, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 12:10, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment just realised that TVD is the vampire diaries so at best this should be redirected to the series page. Dom from Paris (talk) 12:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh (talk) 13:51, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:25, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to The Vampire Diaries. However, article is currently misnamed, so it should possibly be moved to The Vampire Diaries Universe first, and then converted to a redirect. But subject is not independently notable, and I'm not sure there's a WP:RS that's ever used this term. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:25, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This page was created to fulfil the requirement of an individual page for the fictional Universe of The Vampire Diaries. Such pages already exist on Wikipedia such as that of Arrowverse which is separate from the page of the original series Arrow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SameeNagi (talk • contribs) 18:52, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Vampire Diaries Universe is popularly known as "TVD Universe" therefore, the name of the page is so. Even the creator/producer of the show Julie Plec started referring to the universe as the "TVD Universe" several times after the fans created this name.
Comment The show has expanded to a universe of 4 series (3 TV Series and 1 Webseries) as well as a list of bestselling novels and comic series by DC Comics. Clearly, the universe deserves a separate wikipedia page just like Arrowverse of Arrow. Kindly consider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SameeNagi (talk • contribs) 19:02, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Multiple (rebuttal) points here. First, this is a WP:OSE argument. Second, use of "Arrowverse" has actually made that article controversial. However, there are actually Reliable sources that use the term "Arrowverse" (check that article's references...), so it is both 1) not-WP:OR (at least, not entirely), and 2) notable in its own right as outside sources have used the term. In this case, AFAIK, there are no secondary sources that are devoted to (or, indeed, have ever really talked about) "The Vampire Diaries Universe" (on television) as a "thing"... IOW, the subject is non-notable, and does not merit an article of its own. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:07, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: My search in Google News shows that some sources do use the phrase "TVD Universe". I am not sure if it is enough to prove notability, but just wanted to add this. Aoba47 (talk) 20:01, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Of those, the only one that's worth anything is the Variety one, and they put "TVD" in quotes (literally), and it's a incidental mention. (A lot of the rest of those are coming from comments sections, which don't count.) Like I said, even that "Arrowverse" article is not uncontroversial. But, here, we don't have even one article dedicated to the topic. Without that, I think this is not notable. This is basically a WP:Neologism AFAIAC. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:15, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Understandable; just wanted to raise it to your attention. ~~I have no vote either way on this.~~ Aoba47 (talk) 23:38, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Since I have contributed to the discussion, I should cast a vote out of respect. I vote delete as I do not believe there is enough substantial coverage on this particular concept. Multiple shows exist within the same timeline does not make the universe inherently notable (I can think of several other universes). More sources are needed to argue for notability (just in my opinion). I am honestly leaning toward delete as I do not know if this is really a viable search term. Aoba47 (talk) 03:35, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please read the newly added information on the page. I've worked really hard on it. It includes references too in order to prove authenticity to you. However, it must be noted that the page requires more work. So, patience is appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SameeNagi (talk • contribs) 20:15, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please read the Creator/Producer Julie Plec's interview in this link: https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/the-vampire-diaries-series-finale_us_58bdd9cbe4b033be1467bb14 and search for "TVDU" using 'find' in browser to save time. I hope this makes it notable. Moreover, in one of the above comments, a user provided another link of google news to prove notability. Please consider both these sources which in turn provide thousands of sources that prove TVD Universe's notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SameeNagi (talk • contribs) 20:43, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: @Domdeparis: Wikipedia is a non-profit organisation which strives to provide easy access to information. As Wikipedia contributors, it is our mission that the aforementioned vision of the organisation remains intact. Moreover, we must work towards making the already available information clearer and more understandable so that every user/visitor can make the most of every piece of information provided by us. Knowledge is a gift and lack of notability must never limit the expansion of that knowledge. A separate wikipedia page for TVDU (and even for Arrowverse which is now being called controversial) acts as a "compiled" source to understand this vast fictional universe. With the availability of this page/source, a reader can get hands-on information about this particular subject without having to read 4-5 pages individually. Sometimes it is not merely about "notability," it is more about well-compiled and easy-to-access knowledge and that's what makes Wikipedia special. With this I close my argument to keep this page (as well as that of Arrowverse) up and running. Thank you for your consideration. Please approve both these pages and prevent deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SameeNagi (talk • contribs) 12:35, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — beyond the problematic nature of rushing to label any program that begets another program or film, etc. a "universe" (which is primarily a marketing tactic or the language of an over-enthused fandom), that term has rarely if ever been applied to The Vampire Diaries. It's a TV program, with one spin-off, and that spin-off is getting a spin-off. The fact RS don't talk about the Happy Days "universe" even though that series had multiple spin-offs should indicate something: "universe" is a more often than not a term used by some small segment of a fandom. As IJBall pointed out, even the concept of the "Arrowverse" is a controversial notion, and that is certainly more frequently used and widely known than any mention of TVD belonging to a "shared universe". Accessing information on the series that relate to TVD can be done through categories, lists, inboboxes, navboxes, and good old-fashioned links. The notion that somehow the project is lesser because there isn't an overarching article that presents on all connected series in a "well-compiled" fashion is ridiculous. Wikipedia is not Wikia, and is definitely not indiscriminate. We don't put together articles just because we can and we don't put together certain types of articles just because other places have articles of that type or format. And the existence of the "Arrowverse" article and the "MCU" article doesn't mean it's appropriate to create similar articles for every collection of linked series... again as previously mentioned, that's a WP:OTHER argument. —Joeyconnick (talk) 07:28, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:59, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:47, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.