Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tammie Wilson
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy keep. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Uncited and little return from a search, unworthy of a wikipedia BLP Off2riorob (talk) 23:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC) Off2riorob (talk) 23:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:55, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. My searches for "Tammy Wilson" and "North Pole" get less-than-reliable sources that confirm she is a state representative (enough to pass WP:POLITICIAN). A GNews search shows that she has been quoted multiple times by reliable media. I will look for better sources when I get more time. • Gene93k (talk) 21:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi, thanks gene, adding north pole found me this http://house.legis.state.ak.us/rep.php?id=wlt which might be a automatic pass on politician as you say, I would more see the less noteworty ones as she seems to be, be added to a list? Off2riorob (talk) 21:26, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Has been shown to pass WP:POLITICIAN. If that guideline is to be changed then there should be a more wide-ranging discussion than a single AfD. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:50, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The bar at WP:POLITICIAN is stated as "Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature." That would certainly include that Alaska House.Plus, being the rep from North Pole, she obviously has ties with Santa, we don't want to end up getting a lump of coal next year. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:24, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I've just added two more refs from an independent source. For some reason the Alaska Public Radio Network rarely if ever shows up on Google, it's my go-to resource for anything Alaskan. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, but do we really do investigative additions cited to radio reports? Those are external links not for support of content in the article. Off2riorob (talk) 00:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Uh, what? APRN is a reliable source, they are a professional journalistic organization, and the references I found directly verify statements in the article. Frankly I don't understand your objection. Is it just because they are on the radio? Beeblebrox (talk) 00:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Yea, we don't listen to radio reports and add claims that we think we heard in them, the verifiability aspect for a BLP is extremely weak indeed. I accept that she has passed WP:POLITICIAN and have no desire to alter that, but she is not very notable is she really, as yet we don't have independent reports of a level to pass WP:BIO. If she didn't have this get out clause she wouldn't make it. Off2riorob (talk) 00:27, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- What the hell are you talking about? Here's a suggestion: actually go to the online cites I provided, where you can hear streaming audio of those reports. There was no imagination involved. I never heard of Tammie Wilson before about an hour ago, I found these refs, listened to them, and found that they verified specific statements in the article. Your assumtion that I am making things up based on my imagination is very much not appreciated. Please restore this properly sourced content. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I am not suggesting you have made it up, or that you imagined anything, I am not suggesting anything of the sort. I am not going to some radio report to investigate if it says whatever or not. Please find a reliable source if you want to add any content. Please take it to the RS noticeboard for open community discussion if you feel citing content to radio interviews is correct. Off2riorob (talk) 00:39, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Just so we are clear, you are saying that you refuse to check to see if the source says what I claim it says because it is an audio file as opposed to text? Nonsense. APRN is a reliable source, I have cited them probably over a hundred times on various Alaska-related articles and it has never been a problem before. They are every bit as reliable as a newspaper and I am frankly baffled by your assertion that they are not. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:02, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I am not suggesting you have made it up, or that you imagined anything, I am not suggesting anything of the sort. I am not going to some radio report to investigate if it says whatever or not. Please find a reliable source if you want to add any content. Please take it to the RS noticeboard for open community discussion if you feel citing content to radio interviews is correct. Off2riorob (talk) 00:39, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- What the hell are you talking about? Here's a suggestion: actually go to the online cites I provided, where you can hear streaming audio of those reports. There was no imagination involved. I never heard of Tammie Wilson before about an hour ago, I found these refs, listened to them, and found that they verified specific statements in the article. Your assumtion that I am making things up based on my imagination is very much not appreciated. Please restore this properly sourced content. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Yea, we don't listen to radio reports and add claims that we think we heard in them, the verifiability aspect for a BLP is extremely weak indeed. I accept that she has passed WP:POLITICIAN and have no desire to alter that, but she is not very notable is she really, as yet we don't have independent reports of a level to pass WP:BIO. If she didn't have this get out clause she wouldn't make it. Off2riorob (talk) 00:27, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Uh, what? APRN is a reliable source, they are a professional journalistic organization, and the references I found directly verify statements in the article. Frankly I don't understand your objection. Is it just because they are on the radio? Beeblebrox (talk) 00:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, but do we really do investigative additions cited to radio reports? Those are external links not for support of content in the article. Off2riorob (talk) 00:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I've just added two more refs from an independent source. For some reason the Alaska Public Radio Network rarely if ever shows up on Google, it's my go-to resource for anything Alaskan. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as noted meets relevant criteria by election to state legislature.--Misarxist 10:39, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you to Rob for restoring the sourced content. Since comments ( I accept that she has passed WP:POLITICIAN) above indicate that you accept that policy supports keeping this article, perhaps the nomination could be withdrawn as well as it appears we have met the conditions for a speedy keep. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- - Yes, happy with the improvements and happy to withdraw the nomination and accept the speedy keep. Just as a note - I found this article by pressing the Wikipedia:URBLP - blp button and it had been uncited since its creation over a year ago, I found nothing to support notability in a simple google name search and as such nominated it for AFD discussion. I am happy its notability has been established and the article as such, has been greatly improved.Off2riorob (talk) 16:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.