Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tanya Bastianich Manuali

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The result was redirect to Lidia Bastianich. — Joseph Fox 13:44, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tanya Bastianich Manuali

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Spotted this on WP:RFF - I personally see nothing notable, and nearly all the citations appear promotional - books, commercial, etc. Appears to me as shadowing Lidia Bastianich (mother), but without the same notability to warrant as an article, especially written and cited the way it is. Just my 2c. Ma®©usBritish ^[^talk] 18:50, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:53, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I didn't see any sources on Google and Yahoo that could make it a better biography. SwisterTwister talk 23:12, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep With the most modest of efforts, I immediately found articles about this person in New York Daily news New York Post FoxNews Saveur and Cityfile While i-Italy reports that she and her family have been honored by National Organization of Italian American Women for their contibutions to their field. Enough reliable sources find she and her work worthy of note that I am surprised anyone would write "I didn't see any sources on Google and Yahoo that could make it a better biography". She writes cookbooks. So? That is part of her notability, just as it is for Peg Bracken and Julia Childs. Her books are widely and well reviewed by such as Goodreads Her notability is found through meeting WP:AUTHOR. And coverage of she and her works also meets WP:GNG. So we DO have enough that could make this a better bio. The nomintor points toward shaky citations in the article. Seems an addressable issue to me. It'd just take a little effort and some regular editing. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 09:38, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The first two and last two of your "sources" are about LIDIA - her mother - the fourth link is written by Tanya herself, so it presents a WP:SELFCITE COI issue. So only 1 of those 6 links is about Tanya and it's a FoxNews video - there's no prose. Not a very good "modest effort" if you don't check that you even have the right person. Lidia already has an article, I mentioned it in the nomination, there was nothing "shaky" about my concerns.. Tanya's notability is still not confirmed, because she cannot claim her mother's merits. Ma®©usBritish ^[^talk] 13:53, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

She has co-written multiple and well-reviewed cookbooks,[1] WP:AUTHOR applies to those shared authorship works just as it does to something written by only one person. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:13, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They still have to be cited, and without introducing COI - cookbooks are not particularly high-up in terms of significant notability unless the cook is widely recognised. I don't see you referencing any o these reviews either, to verify her reception, independent of her mother. Given that all these titles are "Lidia's" in the titles, for all we know Tanya may simply have written the Forward - again, I fail to see her personal notability, only a mother/daughter relationship, from which mother Lidia is named in the title, and Tanya is not. This article is nothing more than a shadow, without substance.

"The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." - so far this appears not to be satisfied. Ma®©usBritish ^[^talk] 01:36, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. —Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 09:40, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Lidia Bastianich#Personal life where Tanya is alread mentioned in relationship to her work with her mother. If someone wants to read up on Tanya, that's where she should be found. I agree that there are not enough sources to support a decent BLP, and have stricken my comments toward that possibility. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:50, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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