Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Cotton Jones Basket Ride

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus (default keep). Pigman☿ 00:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Cotton Jones Basket Ride

A band. One editor seems to think that changing "since come to fruition as" to "since become" removes the spamminess from the article. I think that an article created by Quite Scientific about a band managed by Quite Scientific Records is bound to be spam. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 12:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete With 30,300 hits for this exact phrase this passes the Google test. With none of any significance this fails WP:N. Whoever is responsible for the link spamming is clearly a genius. Bonus points for a clear COI article actually not falling victim to POV issues. Nonetheless, not enough to scrape over the line. Debate (talk) 13:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:MUSIC, which is more to the point; we've got a startup folk band with a single self-released album. Obviously they're being booked to hellandgone, but they're not as yet generating reliable sources. RGTraynor 13:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Criteria 6 of WP:MUSIC notes that groups may be considered notable if one or more of their members were/are also members of another notable group. As noted in the first speedy declination, the lead singer of this group was also the lead singer of Page France. While this is generally not enough to warrant an article, there is also coverage of this band on Pitchfork media, Antimusic (not sure how reliable a source that is, though), and CMJ. This coverage combined with the link to a notable band and the fact that the band is going on a national tour as noted in the Pitchfork and CMJ entries is enough to convince me that this topic is notable enough for an article. Oh, and as far as disclosure goes, I'm the editor in the nom, and I echo User:Debate's call for bonus points. --jonny-m t 13:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:MUSIC#C6. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 14:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A couple decent sources have been found, and they meet #6 of WP:MUSIC by having members of another notable band. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 17:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As far as I can tell, the claim that this meets WP:Band seems to be based almost entirely on the fact that the artist concerned was a member of another band for which a Wikipedia article exists. I have had a look around for material on the band Page France, however, and in my view a pretty strong case can be made that Page France should also be nominated for afd since the quality of the information I'm getting on Page France is on par with that I'm finding for The Cotton Jones Basket Ride (in fact, The Cotton Jones Basket Ride if anything is turning up a little more material). Certainly Page France have never charted and the Page France article makes no assertion of notability in any criteria relevant to WP:Band. So the question then becomes, is the simple existence of another wikipedia article on a related band sufficient to establish the notability of this one? I'd strongly suggest not. There is also a claim that a couple of reports on the band exist, which is true, however the general hurdle criteria for notability is multiple works (presumably meaning more the 2-3) in reliable independent sources and the only pieces anyone has been able to produce are a couple of pretty short news-style pieces. Note also that a significant part of the articles that have been found discuss the release of two CDs, the total production runs of which are 500 and 1000 copies respectively. Furthermore, the "national tour" seems closer to a trip around a few Eastern States, with brief nips into the Midwest and Canada, and if that complies with the "national tour" criteria of WP:Band there are a few other band articles that have been deleted recently that really should be reinstated. Debate (talk) 09:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: I was thinking that myself, to be honest, and was looking at the putative notability of Page France. I've always felt that the "member of a notable band" meant member of a significant band, not just any group with a blue-link. I likewise think that "national tour" should mean more than "We've got a gig in Springfield MA on Tuesday, Hartford CT on Thursday and Kingston RI on Saturday." RGTraynor 13:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 17:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.