Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Matrimony

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The result was keep. per WP:SNOW and WP:HEY The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Matrimony

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No citations. Besides, The Matrimony is not one of the films in the filmography section of the Fan Bing Bing article. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 06:05, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Well... just because it isn't listed in the filmography section doesn't mean that she didn't star in it. It's mentioned further up in her article, but generally (assuming that she did act in it) all that the lack of a mention in the filmography means is that someone forgot to add it. That aside, if Bingbing received a best supporting award for her role in the film then that could show notability for the film. I'm not familiar with the Golden Horse Film Awards, but it appears to be a rather big deal for Taiwan. Even if this isn't supposed to be a big enough award to give notability for a keep, it does mean that there could be more sources. I managed to find a source to back up the award, so I'll add it to the article.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:20, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- One source isn't enough and the reviews do not count. So notability still isn't met, in my opinion. Besides, even if Bing Bing did get the award, that would still be rather minor. I don't know, but I would say the Golden Horse Film Awards are somewhat like the Academy Awards in Taiwan, but it doesn't get that much coverage? Bonkers The Clown (talk) 07:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews don't count? I've always been under the impression that as long as you have reviews from multiple independent and reliable sources, they count towards notability if the film received a wide release.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 07:40, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, reviews DO count... and represent the expected commentary and analysis in secondary sources. We actually care less for the helpfulness of wide release, and more for coverage in decent secondary sources, as lacking coverage, release means little... and sometimes even a film with only a limited release can have the coverage to be determined as notable. (and the film is NOW included in the Fan Bing Bing filmography through regular editing. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if this article survives afd, the grammar and stuff needs to be corrected. The info too. Also, I found an imdb page on this. But apart from that, and a few other run of the mill reviews and untrustable wikias and blogspot pages, I could find nothing to increase the sourcability of the article. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 07:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Isues best addressed through regular editing.... not deletion. And had you looked at the sources for reviews linked through IMDB (in discounting It as a source, it still leads to much that aids us), you will see this thing had wide enough release[1] and was covered by enough secondary sources.[2] And no... I am not limiting my thoughts to just what few are listed, but to the wider picture of even more coverage than shared on the list. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
well, you said that your native language is chinese,so,can you read this:百度百科？read this link:[3],then you will konw that this film is starred by Fan Bingbing.上帝啊，你竟敢说你的母语是中文？你知道范冰冰吗？你知道她主演的所有的电影？这部心中有鬼是她主演的电影！竟然还要被删除？你脑子进水了？OH,FOR GOD'S SAKE,FORGIVE YOU! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmmvidyahoo (talk • contribs) 07:38, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Substantial coverage in Variety and DreadCentral, both of which are usually considered reliable sources for film articles, as well as other references which provide further information. There's a bit here[4][5] (both professionally-edited sites that should meet WP:RS) and another ref for the award[6]. Meets WP:GNG. And there are likely to be Chinese-language sources as well. Golden Horse Film Festival and Awards are Taiwan's major film awards; Taiwan doesn't have a film industry as big as the USA or India, but it's not negligible[7][8]. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:11, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There's a ton of stuff in Chinese about the film and there seems to have been a bit of a kerfuffle concerning the film. Supposedly at one point there was something about the promotion and it not featuring Fan Bingbing or certain marketing material being pulled. The translation is pretty wonky, but the general gist is that it was a pretty big thing for the film, the equivalent of I Heart Huckabees#Tension during filming. If anyone who reads any of the Chinese languages can translate this, I'd be much obliged. [9], [10], [11], [12], [13]Tokyogirl79 (talk) 11:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Good job on the article! Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and close per WP:SNOW. Nom should have done his research and then perhaps tagged for sources if they were lacking (no longer the case), rather than bring an improvable article to AFD and force cleanup. Awards aside, the nominator might now better understand that sources need not be IN an article for a topic's notability to exist, and that the topic being notable and sourcable in Chinese-language as well as in English-language through reviews, analysis, and commentary in multiple reliable secondary sources is exactly what notability is all about. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:32, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Snow Keep and Speedy Close per proven notability.Cavarrone (talk) 16:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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