Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Towhidi Muslim Janata

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The argument that this subject is notable as a term, movement, or concept, is persuasive, and is backed by sources. If there is poorly sourced content claiming it to be a well-defined organization, that requires removal, but not usually deletion of the article. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Towhidi Muslim Janata

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There is no party, organization, or association exist called Tawhidi Muslim Janata in Bangladesh. There is no evidence of being any organization or party by this name. Tawhidi Muslim Janata means Tawhidi/Muwahhid (passionate towards Islam) Muslim people. For example, if we say, the people of Britain have united to do this or that. And we added the word "angry" to the word "people of Britain" that, the angry people of Britain have united to do this. Now the Angry People of Britain will not become a party. It may be a common term. But it would be wrong to use the word as a party, unless it really is a party. ~ KHATTAB TALK 13:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. ~ KHATTAB TALK 13:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom.–MinisterOfReligion ^(Talk) 19:38, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- The Daily Star and the The Business Standard describe them as a separate organization. The Business Standard wrote "Tawhidi Janata, an Islamic outfit,". The New Age writes But another group, said to be Muslim Tawhidi Janata, reached the ground, demanding death penalty for the ‘offender’. The Daily Star and this book, identify them as a separate organization that works with other Islamist extremist organizations in Bangladesh. The angry people of Britain's party are called UKIP.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 03:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

is there any logic to move UKIP to Angry people of Britain? If yes, then Jamat-i-Islami Bangladesh and Hefazat-e-Islam can be moved here. Because, recently/news sources the word used maximum time for them. Even if you analyse this article, there is also references that connect them. But actally this would be illogical.

Now about the reference of book and Daily Star. You are right there was some group, whose name almost match with this article. The main problem is that this book describes the events of the 90's and not even one of the group names are completely matched. And the groups mentioned in the book were strictly Jihadists in that they denied the laws of Bangladesh and talked of war, and was aginst of strike/movement. On the other hand the people mentioned in the article are not strictly Jihadists and they support (and they did) to do strike/movement. And the article and other news sources are describing current events, not the 90s. So reference of book/daily star is not acceptable for this article.

last word, who made this party? Where did they form the party? Who is the head of the party? Or at least the name of one member of the party... Without these information how can you accept that the party exists? ~ KHATTAB TALK 06:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Actually This is no any organization. All of news indicate it as a mob. Basically, when the common people in Bangladesh protest about Islam, they named this banner or something similar. So Obviously it should be delete. -- Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 04:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There is no such organisation but we can keep the article as a "term". For that we need to edit the article in such a way. Mehedi Abedin 23:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mehediabedin But, In general way Towhidi Muslim Janata means general people of World. So How can we keep or edit this article in such as way? Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 04:37, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep . I completely agree with Mehediabedin. There are so many strong sources about the page. We should keep it as a "term". --Noman☆ (Talk) 20:12, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@MdaNoman Towhidi Muslim Janata is not any kind of page. It is just some keywords or phrase. Any phrase you type and search on Google will get many references for it, then do you want to create articles under that name as well? such as কুরআন প্রেমিক মুসলিম and many things. Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 13:24, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Deloar Akram then what will you say about Murad Takla. It's also a phrase (a group of words).--Noman☆ (Talk) 14:26, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@MdaNoman Towhidi Muslim Janata is positive term, that means who loves islam. But this article indicate to extreme group. So this article should be speedy delete for WP:VAND and WP:hoax. Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 15:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Deloar Akram I am also a muslim. And also know about Towhidi Muslim Janata . But why are you saying about the newspapers?--Noman☆ (Talk) 15:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Deloar AkramComment:Loving Islam is neither positive nor negative. See, for example, Criticism of Muhammad. Wikipedia is neutral and this feels like a case of Wikipedia:IDONTLIKEIT.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 09:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vinegarymass911 Just ask you, Towhidi Muslim Janata is any organization? Or any kind of phrase that denotes specific meaning? Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 10:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ––FormalDude talk 08:36, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~, already deleted from Bengali Wiki.–MinisterOfReligion ^(Talk) 15:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Owais Al Qarni — per WP:AFD: "Do not repeat a bolded recommendation on a new bulleted line". Do not vote more than once. Furthermore, an article being deleted on another Wikipedia is not a valid reason for deletion here. Please base your !votes and discussions on policy based reasons for deletion. Thank you —VersaceSpace 🌃 01:36, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a term or movement. Vegetarianism for instance is neither a party nor an organisation, but certainly there is a vegetarianism movement in esse. The claim that TMJ is an organisation needs a better source than an ambiguous statement in a tabloid newspaper. Real organisations have at least some of the following: a president, a secretary, an e-mail address, a real address where legal documents can be served, press releases, an official webpage, subscriptions and membership cards for its followers. As far as I can see, none of that is evident from the sources. Not even a named spokesperson. SpinningSpark 14:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Spinningspark but that demands the article to be cleaned up, but AfD is not cleanup. If the term Towhidi Muslim Janata has attained some coverage significantly, I feel it merits a standalone article. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 07:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Spinningspark and @TheAafi. Yes I can agree with you, it can be kept as a movement. But then the scenario of this article will be completely opposite. This article has been written only in the context of Bangladesh. But "Towhidi Muslim Janata" is a global movement. The movement has for the most part good work, yes also some criticism. But there is also a need to add global criticism instead of Bangladesh.
:It would not be right to keep the article until changes are made. for this time it should be ~~Delete~~. Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 07:00, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@DeloarAkram: "Move to draft" is an option in such scenarios. BD2412 T 05:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DeloarAkram:, you may only make one bolded recommendation in a deletion discussion. If you want to change your recommendation, then strike through your previous comment. SpinningSpark 12:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the Spinning Spark's rationale. Lightburst (talk) 01:19, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.