Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 11
September 11
[edit]Category:American jurist stubs
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:29, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:American jurist stubs to Category:American law biography stubs
- Nominator's rationale: While stub sorting, I expected {{US-law-bio-stub}} to be fairly generic and cover lawyers, clerks, judges, etc.; however, the jurist category that it populates seems overly specific when compared to the verbiage actually added by the tag. Category:American law biography stubs seems more in line with the other similar categories (though several seem to stop at the continental category level). Perhaps the sub-categories were missed at one point post-2012 CfD on Jurist stubs? There was an even older 2005 SfD (never heard of that before now), but that looks OBE after the 2012 CfD occurred. -2pou (talk) 23:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per WP:C2C within the tree of stub categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. seems reasonable. Mason (talk) 02:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Sieges by country
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 23#Category:Sieges by country
Category:Anti-Turkic sentiment
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:29, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Anti-Turkic sentiment to Category:Anti-Asian sentiment
- Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to precedents named in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Turkic dynasties and countries, and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 27#Category:Persecution of Turkic peoples. NLeeuw (talk) 19:48, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge, as far as I can see there is no sentiment against all Turkic-languages-speaking people together. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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Biography articles needing translation from Slovenian Wikipedia
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- The result of the discussion was: procedural keep. I will start a new nomination with all the categories using "Slovenian Wikipedia". (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:36, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Its parent article, "Articles needing translation from Slovene Wikipedia", uses Slovene instead of Slovenian, so it should use that terminology. Gamerknowitall (talk) 05:53, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I assumed that this was a simple WP:C2C issue but the parent category is a redirect to the nominated subcategory: Category:Articles needing translation from Slovene Wikipedia -> Category:Biography articles needing translation from Slovenian Wikipedia. - RevelationDirect (talk) 09:05, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per RelevationDirect, the name of the parent category is in fact Category:Articles needing translation from Slovenian Wikipedia, and these are template-generated in a such a way that changing that would be a pain. Also note that the category wasn't tagged. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:08, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Category was not tagged
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment This niomination was also malformed; it has now been standardized. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rename to match main article Slovene Wikipedia. All catgories and templates pertaining to it should be renamed as well. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:13, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Ideally rename all categories and templates per main article, but that would probably require a broader nomination to begin with. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, LP/WP:C2D and Marco; recommend WP:C2C-based follow-up renamings per Marco/LP/Pppery/RD (basically everyone). NLeeuw (talk) 06:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 19:16, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Religious structures destroyed by Muslim invaders
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 25#Category:Religious structures destroyed by Muslim invaders
Category:Ancient Egyptian funerary texts
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Funerary texts in ancient Egyptian. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Ancient Egyptian funerary texts to Category:Funerary texts in Ancient Egyptian
- Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC: to show these texts are written in the Ancient Egyptian language and not just "from Ancient Egypt". Follow-up to Texts in Fooian. See also the Egyptian papyri CfR. NLeeuw (talk) 18:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Question, for language, do we need "Ancient" at all? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- Good question. We might not, per main article Egyptian language. I just prefer to add "Ancient" in order to distinguish it from languages such as Coptic, Demotic, or Egyptian Arabic. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- Then alt rename to Category:Funerary texts in Egyptian per Egyptian language; or otherwise alt2 Category:Funerary texts in ancient Egyptian without capital A as "ancient" is not part of the name. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Lowercase a "ancient" is fine with me. NLeeuw (talk) 17:21, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- Then alt rename to Category:Funerary texts in Egyptian per Egyptian language; or otherwise alt2 Category:Funerary texts in ancient Egyptian without capital A as "ancient" is not part of the name. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Texts in Slavic languages
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Texts in Slavic languages to Category:Old Church Slavonic literature
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAP. NLeeuw (talk) 18:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Just delete, we shouldn't categorize texts by languages to which they have been translated. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:58, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 1#Hymns by language, the language versions of songs which are notable, are categorisable. Songs are texts. NLeeuw (talk) 06:31, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- With songs it may be different, as they are actively "used" (i.e. sung) in specific language versions. In any case, if not deleted, then merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 1#Hymns by language, the language versions of songs which are notable, are categorisable. Songs are texts. NLeeuw (talk) 06:31, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Egyptian papyri
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Egyptian papyri to Category:Papyri from ancient Egypt
- Nominator's rationale: To clarify that we mean the time and place of ancient Egypt as the papyri's origins, not that they were necessarily written in the ancient Egyptian language, as the main article List of papyri from ancient Egypt says clearly. I just boldly renamed that already, so it can't be speedied, but this is a follow-up to Texts in Fooian, where this language / country ambiguitywas already recognised as an issue to be addressed. This is a first step to resolving it. As an Alt, we could also leave out 'ancient', but all papyri listed stem from antiquity; they are all dated BCE. NLeeuw (talk) 18:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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Medieval texts in Fooian
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Latin texts to Category:Medieval texts in Latin
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Arabic texts to Category:Medieval texts in Arabic
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Irish-language texts to Category:Medieval texts in Irish
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Serbian texts to Category:Medieval texts in Serbian
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Turkish texts to Category:Medieval texts in Turkish
- Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C. Follow-up to Texts in Fooian. NLeeuw (talk) 18:14, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:17, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Seems reasonable. I'll go update the deferred speedy requests to reflect the precedent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smasongarrison (talk • contribs) 02:44, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:LGBT rights in the Arab world
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 23#Category:LGBT rights in the Arab world
Category:Sexism in the Arab world
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 23#Category:Sexism in the Arab world
Category:Malayalam film songs
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 25#Category:Malayalam film songs
Category:European diaspora in the Arab world
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:European diaspora in the Arab world to Category:European diaspora in the Middle East
- Propose merging Category:Armenian diaspora in the Arab world to Category:Armenian diaspora in the Middle East
- Propose merging Category:Greek diaspora in the Arab world to Category:Greek diaspora in the Middle East
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT WP:REDUNDANTFORK WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 31#Category:Religion in the Arab world. NLeeuw (talk) 17:09, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Purge Sudanese Greeks and merge, per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Fooian culture to Culture of Fooland part 4
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:34, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Kazakhstani culture to Category:Culture of Kazakhstan
- Propose renaming Category:Latvian culture to Category:Culture of Latvia
- Propose renaming Category:Liechtenstein culture to Category:Culture of Liechtenstein
- Propose renaming Category:Lithuanian culture to Category:Culture of Lithuania
- Propose renaming Category:Luxembourgian culture to Category:Culture of Luxembourg
- Propose renaming Category:Macedonian culture to Category:Culture of North Macedonia
- Propose renaming Category:Maltese culture to Category:Culture of Malta
- Propose renaming Category:Moldovan culture to Category:Culture of Moldova
- Propose renaming Category:Monegasque culture to Category:Culture of Monaco
- Propose renaming Category:Montenegrin culture to Category:Culture of Montenegro
- Propose renaming Category:Norwegian culture to Category:Culture of Norway
- Propose renaming Category:Polish culture to Category:Culture of Poland
- Propose renaming Category:Portuguese culture to Category:Culture of Portugal
- Propose renaming Category:Romanian culture to Category:Culture of Romania
- Propose renaming Category:Russian culture to Category:Culture of Russia
- Propose renaming Category:Sammarinese culture to Category:Culture of San Marino
- Propose renaming Category:Slovak culture to Category:Culture of Slovakia
- Propose renaming Category:Slovenian culture to Category:Culture of Slovenia
- Propose renaming Category:Spanish culture to Category:Culture of Spain
- Propose renaming Category:Swedish culture to Category:Culture of Sweden
- Propose renaming Category:Swiss culture to Category:Culture of Switzerland
- Propose renaming Category:Turkish culture to Category:Culture of Turkey
- Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian culture to Category:Culture of Ukraine
- Propose renaming Category:Vatican City culture to Category:Culture of Vatican City
- Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D & WP:C2C. Follow-up to Fooian culture to Culture of Fooland (part 1) and Fooian culture to Culture of Fooland part 2. See also Fooian culture to Culture of Fooland part 3 (for Kosovo and Serbia; submitted earlier today by Santasa99). NLeeuw (talk) 16:42, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per Marcelus: culture of Foo is not also Foo culture as some Foos are multinational. Proposed names have broader scopes. A09 (talk) 19:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose: different scope of the current and propsed names Marcelus (talk) 13:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support per precedent. Leave redirects at the old names. – Fayenatic London 10:23, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Zerobaseone members
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: TOOSOON with only one article. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support per longstanding consensus: categories of musicians by band should not be created when only one member has an article. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:30, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Science centers
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 23#Category:Science centers
Category:Governors of local government units in the Philippines
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Governors of sub-national entities in the Philippines. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Regions are not local government units (LGUs). The name is also misleading because not all LGUs have a governor. HueMan1 (talk) 11:28, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it just be renamed to Category:Governors of sub-national entities in the Philippines per parent Category:Governors and heads of sub-national entities by country? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: That sounds good. I couldn't find alternatives aside from deletion when I nominated this category. HueMan1 (talk) 00:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Ancient rulers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:39, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Ancient rulers to Category:Ancient people by occupation
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 9#Category:Ancient women rulers by century and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 11#Category:1st-century BC rulers. NLeeuw (talk) 06:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. per nom Mason (talk) 03:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Even though it currently only contains 2 sub-cats for monarchs and regents, removing this would take away a valid and useful navigation route from parent Category:Rulers or succeeding Category:Medieval rulers. As long as those remain, this should remain also. – Fayenatic London 13:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- The subcats will remain accessible via Rulers -> Monarchs -> Ancient monarchs. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Social classes in the Ottoman Empire
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 25#Category:Social classes in the Ottoman Empire
Category:Recipients of the Ananda Purashkar
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Ananda Purashkar
- Nominator's rationale: For the subcategory per WP:OCAWARD, WP:NONDEFINING and maybe WP:NOTPROMO
- The Ananda Puraskar is an Indian literary award for Bengali literature given by the ABP (Ananda Bazar Patrika) Media Group. A significant number of the recipients are long-term employees of ABP but it's not clear if this is an in-house promotional award or is issued more broadly. The articles don't treat this award as defining, generally mentioning it in a list with other honours. The contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:14, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Prix Sainte-Beuve winners
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Prix Sainte-Beuve
- Propose Deleting Category:Prix Sainte-Beuve winners
- Nominator's rationale: For the subcategory per WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEFINING; for the parent category per WP:C2F: one eponymous page
- The Sainte-Beuvee Prize is a French literary award that has two categories: "novels" (or "poetry") and "essays" (or "critics"). I went through about half the biography articles and most don't mention the award at all and the rest mention it in passing so it doesn't seem remotely defining. The contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. (No conceptual objection to the parent category, but the only direct content is the main article.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:14, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Boxing gyms
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Boxing gyms and clubs. and Category:Boxing gyms and clubs in the United States. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: I can't quite tell how these trees are supposed to be distinguished from each other, apart from their names, which would violate WP:SHAREDNAME. Both trees seem to include facilities where boxers train and compete. The clubs tree is a bit more established, with more country categories, though both were created around the same time by User:PanchoS. Paul_012 (talk) 01:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge or Reverse Merge No preference on the name since I don't see a main article, but these should be combined. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - There seems to be a difference between a Sports club and the local gym. For example, 5th Street Gym is a local business and not any sort of a "club" as far as I can tell. However, I suppose I could see how WP:OVERLAPCAT could come into play here. But if combined, they would need both types in the name: Category:Boxing gyms and clubs. (The adjective should be next to "gyms" to prevent overcat of other types of gyms.) All that said, I think these probably should be kept separate. - jc37 18:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge and rename per Jc37. I will tag the clubs categories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
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Fooian culture to Culture of Fooland part 3
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:34, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Kosovan culture to Category:Culture of Kosovo – main article: Culture of Kosovo;
- Propose renaming Category:Serbian culture to Category:Culture of Serbia – main article: Culture of Serbia and Cultural heritage of Serbia.
- Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C (all are in Category:European culture by country) & WP:C2D (all main articles are called Culture of Fooland). Follow-up to consensus established at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 9#Fooian culture to Culture of Fooland and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_August_21#Fooian_culture_to_Culture_of_Fooland_part_2 Possibly a redirect could be an option. Cheers. --౪ Santa ౪99° 23:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rename, per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per precedent. NLeeuw (talk) 15:33, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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