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Tgose are two of my personal pictures. How can I do to keep them with no future problems? This is a biographical page I use for information purposes only. I'm the person depicted in the biography so I'm the legal owner of the material in it, includiong the two (2) pictures you already deleted. Can you help me with that issue? Thanks in advance. 66.176.42.2 (talk) 06:52, 3 December 2011 (UTC) |
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I have lots of issues with this close. It's particularly sloppy work, and it's worse coming from an administrator (User:HJ Mitchell) I generally admire and agree with. For the record, immediately after the close I told Harry in a friendly way I was coming to this process. The T-Day holiday gave me time to consider whether I wanted to proceed, and I do.
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Legitimate, valid article that was meant to be created according to the discussion at Talk:Cecil Newton, Sr. 198.137.20.27 (talk) 16:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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The reason for deletion was WP:PATENT, and I don't believe this was nonsense at all, and would like to have the deletion revoked. Also I'd like to point out that the user (DJ Clayworth) who requested the deletion has been reprimanded for being overly delete happy. --Corn8bit (talk) 05:06, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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The reason for the deletion was WP:NOTNEWS. In the discussion, it was explicitly stated that the article could be restored if the WP:NOTNEWS criteria is met. I believe that I found evidence to support that. Apparently, Law & Order: Special Victims Unit created an episode based on this case (see this article). I think this means that the story has now gone into popular culture, hence the WP:NOTNEWS criteria is met. Victor Victoria (talk) 01:54, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
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I feel the closer interpreted the debate incorrectly. Other than the Nom, only 1 person voted Delete, and their reasoning proved faulty (lack of Reliable in depth secondary sources, of which one was shown). Discussion with the Closer amounts to "It's not my place to agree or disagree. The consensus was that the coverage was insufficient". A rational of "no evidence has been provided that it might have sufficient coverage to satisfy notability requirements" is simply wrong. [4] proves that. It should have been relisted at the very least when, even the closer noted, a distinct lack of !votes on the matter was presented. 2 surely cannot be deemed 'consensus'. Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 08:34, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
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I would like to ask for reverting the deletion of Body Sensor Networks wiki page. I have been conducting research on Body Sensor Networks for nearly ten years and would like to write an article about the field. The editing of the article has just been started. However, it seems that the site is always redirected to Body Area Network while I am editing the page, and it has been deleted subsequently. BSN and BAN are actually different and often mistakenly used. Body Sensor Network (BSN) refers to both the infrastructure and applications of the network, just similar to Wireless Sensor Network (WSN), while Body Area Network (BAN) refers to only the network infrastructure similar to Local Area Network (LAN) or Personal Area Network (PAN). The term BSN also includes the use of implantable sensors and which is a different wireless connectivity to those commonly used in BAN. BSN also covers several network topologies than that described on the existing BAN page. I am new to wikipedia, so please advise what can I do to keep the Body Sensor Networks wiki page. I am willing to edit the content, if it is not agree with wikipedia's policies. As an expert and a strong supporter in the field, I would like to set this straight. The Body Sensor Networks page created in 2007 was not done by me. I have recently modified the page as I saw that it was mistakenly redirected to the BAN page. As I started to work on the page, the initial references are from the inventor of the term, but I was in the process of adding more information from other researchers in the community. Could you please have a look and help in reconsidering the revert the deletion decision of the recently added Body Sensor Networks page? Thank you very much in advance. (Airuko (talk) 06:00, 25 November 2011 (UTC))
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Sourced reference to Cam Newton and should redirect to that article. l a t i s h r e d o n e (previously User:All in) 22:26, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
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No clear initial consensus, dubious expertise of original debaters and new information See also User_talk:Mkativerata— Preceding unsigned comment added by Malixsys (talk • contribs) 20:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Unless the above is factually false, there is no possibility that the article will ever be brought up to Wikipedia quality standards, and it amounts to nothing more than self-promotion. In that case, we should not only keep this article deleted, but censure and demand apologies from Jessie Stricchiola and Danny Sullivan for attempting to turn Wikipedia into Geocities and use it to promote their businesses. Kragen Javier Sitaker (talk) 19:20, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
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The BLP was not under discussion but appears to have been deleted as a one event BLPIE from comments in the associated afd - I asked the deleting admin but looking at his activity there is no guarantee he will edit in the next days. The admin asserted he deleted it a6s a BLPIE from comments in this associated afd - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Being Born Again Couture Fashion Show (2nd nomination) - I am not seeing a consensus worthy of deleting the Bio in that discussion - the bio has previously been at AFD in october 2011 and was closed as no consensus - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Davina Reichman - If the bio is to be deleted it should be at its own AFD. Off2riorob (talk) 22:36, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
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L.S., Recently I noticed that the Wikipedia entry for "Anton Singov" has been deleted. After reading the discussion page it seems like there were both good and disputable reasons for deletion. One of reasons (lack of reliable sources) seems very reasonable to me, the reason that notability is not established is arguable. The article satisfies on point 1 of WP:ANYBIO. The subject of the article has consistently reached top3 and won several first places at the most notable international "electronic sports" competitions in the world such as Electronic Sports World Cup, Dreamhack , Quakecon, Intel Extreme Masters and World Cyber Games Russia. Look for the pseudonym "Cooller". Would it be possible to restore the history so that the sources can be added? I have already tried to talk to the admin who deleted the article but it seems he has resigned his position as admin. Thank you for your time. Nieuwebezoeker (talk) 11:55, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
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This Page Is Waiting To Be Updated With References And Information To Show This Person's Public Status. Please Check DJ_Many Talk Page For The Updated Page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.113.93.81 (talk) 11:21, November 19, 2011
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Considered as multilingual name in Cyrillic. The "Гомес" name may mean Gomez or Gomes depending on translation. It was used on mnwiki, ruwiki, ttwiki and, bgwiki. Clearly transliterated as Selena Gomez in Cyrillic. Namiin Azhar (talk) 22:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC) * Note that above nomination was two refactored to one Spartaz Humbug! 08:20, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
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According to WP:Proposed deletion this article must be undeleted automatically on request. Article was deleted by PROD on 12 May 2008. Although first article may have been written too early in his career, this artist has now released 6 albums. Whether or not he has now achieved sufficient notability should be decided through AfD. The same admin had previously denied a Request for Undeletion [14] on 21 October 2011 Ei1sos (talk) 22:22, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
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This is a historic photo, one of very few that document an important event in Venezuelan history: the 1992 coup attempt, in which current president Hugo Chávez was involved. It was nominated for deletion with a frankly bizarre reason (that this was merely the record of two men meeting); then the deletion discussion was closed as "delete" even though there was nothing like consensus to do so. I raised the issue both with the nominator (who refused to respond while the nomination was open) and also with the person who closed the discussion, to no avail. jbmurray (talk • contribs) 15:25, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
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I really think this should have been deleted, as I think the "no concensus" result doesn't actually reflect what is said in the discussion. My arguement was valid and really showed the article for what it is. That is not the issue here, while the passing view is obviously no consensus to an uninvolved admin - looking a little closer and actually reading the comments in the AFD - you can then see the faults and notice there was atleast some consensus to delete this article.
All those who offered opinions to remove the article, including me talked about policies and guidelines. There were five in favour of deletion, six including me. There was also one "Procedural keep" in which the editor states the article should be deleted because they felt it was non notable. So that makes seven reasons to delete - This is compared to three keep arguements - three because one of the four was the IP who just voted instead of giving a view. So can you see what I mean that there was some consensus present, because at the end of the day, did those with the keep stance offer valid AFD comments. RaintheOne BAM 23:41, 16 November 2011 (UTC) Why would you want an involved admin closing an AfD debate? I'd think that one would want an "uninvolved admin" being the closer, as that significantly lessens the chances of a conflict of interest arising from an admin who was on the record as holding an opinion on keeping or deleting said article. Additionally, RfA is not a vote. One two three... 00:11, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
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This article shouldn't have been deleted. It has all the criterier for WP:NMODEL, and WP:GNG. According to some users, the refs were not correctly placed and I don't think that was delete worthy. ☼Phrasia☼ (talk) 04:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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Ron Ritzman's nomination explained its reasoning clearly by linking to the deletion review that preceded it; the closing administrator understands his job perfectly well; and User:Ihcoyc nailed it. This material was spam. We can see that you didn't want this deletion to happen, WebHorizon, from the way you replied to every single "delete" !vote: the article must have been important to you. But I'm afraid the consensus was against you. I'm sorry that that's made you unhappy but the appropriate behaviour now is to accept the consensus and move on.—S Marshall T/C 16:53, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
I can see there is little value in discussing this with you, but "The closing administrator did not understand his/her obligation to distinguish policy-based consensus from mere headcount of keeps/deletes" is pretty clearly about me and my ability to properly close an AFD. Again, if it isn't about that, then please strike that statement. Or don't, since it's obvious to everyone but you what the outcome of this discussion will be no matter how fast you try to tapdance around the facts. As such I won't be commenting here further. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:22, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
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Moved, due to process being interrupted: please go to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 November 15.
Deleted out-of-process by unilateral admin action while discussion was ongoing. At the time of deletion, debate was approximately 50-50 as to whether deletion was appropriate, indicating a lack of consensus and disagreement that the page was unambiguously inappropriate, as asserted by the deleting admin. The deleting admin deleted the page after !voting delete, invoking WP:BOLD but a) demanding consensus for re-creation (where except in BLP cases lack of consensus means page is kept by default) and b) failing to follow the BRD process when the page was re-created, instead deleting it out-of-process again and salting. There was no unambiguous policy-based reason for out-of-process deletion (another editor, not the admin, asserted that G10 applies, which is dubious because of the "serves no other purpose" clause and because of the lack of unambiguous attack). I've no desire to rehash the entire deletion discussion here, but I do believe that it should be allowed to proceed to whatever consensus the community decides. I have asked the deleting admin to reconsider his deletion and he has declined to do so Nikkimaria (talk) 17:15, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
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Dear Wiki folks, Apologies for the lack of editorial decorum, if I'm not observing proper protocol... it's all a tad confusing to me. Just noticed the "up for deletion" request by admin [?] and I'm seeking to prevent this from happening. I read that you/someone was/were having difficulties confirming our claims to historical authenticity and would be happy to respond to any and all queries broaching the subject. In spite of KU being a contemporary interpretation of much older Okinawa/Fujian-based practices, which come directly from my teachers[Richard Kim 1917-2000, Kinjo Hiroshi 1919-, et al], I/we are most assuredly fully accredited, widely published and established worldwide. Alternatively, if there is/are other issues at hand I am willing to do whatever it takes to maintain our site listing. I can be contacted c/o bujin@koryu-uchinadi.com or patrick_mccarthy@mac.com Sincerely, Patrick McCarthy McCarthy Sensei (talk) 23:10, 13 November 2011 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Koryu_Uchinadi&action=edit&redlink=1
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I believe the closer did not properly interpret WP:NOTDUP. I've discussed it with User:Panyd on their talk page and they've agreed that the interpretation of ambiguous and so we need some clarification. My interpretation of WP:NOTDUP is that "arguing that a Category or List is duplicative of the other in a deletion debate is not a valid reason for deletion" refers to nominating a category for deletion if there is a list or navigation template, a list for deletion if there is a navigation template or category, or deleting a navigation template if there is a category or list. User:Panyd's interpretation is that multiple lists can exist for a topic because per WP:NOTDUP "building a rudimentary list of links is a necessary first step in the construction of an enhanced list". She believes that the sentence I've quoted above means that lists can overlap other lists; even if they do not expand upon them. (Apologies if I've misrepresented, but I think this summarizes User:Panyd's rationale. I'm sure they'll expand on their own below.) I disagree with User:Panyd's rationale because I believe that an enhanced list can be built at List_of_Occupy_movement_protest_locations and split to seperate articles when it reaches an appropriate size. This argument was made in the deletion and by !votes alone the article should've been deleted. I think it was User:Panyd's misinterpretation of policy that caused them to WP:SUPERVOTE this as a keep. We would like some clarification on WP:NOTDUP regarding this AFD. v/r - TP 22:29, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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I redirected this page after a somewhat contentious AfD. User:TRLIJC19 has object to my close, but had trouble with the DRV template which can be pretty tricky for users unfamiliar with it. Therefore I am filing this for him. He has stated Consensus was never reached and is still ongoing debate. Only two people pushed for redirect., but I stand by my reasoning in the close, though I'll be happy to expand upon it if anyone would like. Eluchil404 (talk) 21:48, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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This article was deleted despite the discussion with given questions and provided facts. We see that discussion transformed in constructive to political debate. Max Kaur (Jermakov) meets the requirements: This man is involved into Estonian politics for at least 15 years. Former vice-mayor of the town of Maardu. At the moment, this politician is a Chairman of the Law Enforcement Commission of the City Council of the Capital of Estonia (both it is a serious position considering that Tallinn is the Cultural Capital of Europe, 2011). Just to mention - Mr. Kaur was political advisor of the head of the popular party "Centre Party" Mr. Edgar Savisaar (I am not trying to use invalid criteria "That person A has a relationship with well-known person B", but I would like to mention that he was Estonian Prime minister from 1990 to 1992, got most of the votes at Parliament elections in 2011, at the moment - mayor of Capital of Estonia, ). He is most mentioned person of "Centre Party" in press. While the article and the politian we talk about met the requirements of "notability", our opponents started to use such expressions like "youth section of centre party", "small-time politician", "yellow journalism garbage", "his supporters should show up here... but this doesn't mean we need take what they say seriously" etc. It is absolutely non-professional and non-encyclopedic. We aren't discussing people. The article is about the well-respected man who is very famous in Tallinn and the main state of Estonia - Harjumaa, leading Institute of Society Development and giving lectures in ECOMEN institute in Tallinn. Moreover, this person has recommended himself on international area as a solid man, presenting Estonia in serious Worldwide organizations like International Human Rights Movement "World Without Nazism" (has offices Bruxelles, Moscow etc..), making lectures and reports - people of Estonia proud of such persons. I saw a lack of neutralism and justice while discussion. It was very abusively for me to hear such words like "supporter from youth section of party" from participants of so named discussion (it looked like a political debate). With a hope, I ask moderators to return the article. Johannes xz (talk) 19:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)Johannes xz (talk) 21:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Dear moderators! I would like to ask Your help in making this discussion more neutral and prevent other participants' attempts to give discussion a political colors and accuse respected in society people in using in political technologies. It is obvious that every politician uses political technologies and almost every official has a party affilation - it is obvious,but we also speak about an official, a politician, a public figure, who bring benefit to society - that is the point in article. -- Aleksss19 ( talk ) 20:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
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not notable Now that the most outrageous claims of this article have been removed or refuted, what remains is, in the words of the article itself, eminently non-notable. Here is a summary of the main points of the article:
Given the total lack of substance to this article, as attested by the article itself, the question is: why is it still around? The answer, of course, is that some editors are still trying vigorously to include sentences suggesting that Mein Kampf is a bestseller in the Palestinian territories and in other Arab countries - something that is unsupported by the article. There is only one place for an article like this - the little trash icon in the corner of your screen. --Ravpapa (talk) 09:13, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
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Article was deleted despite the discussion being inconclusive (6 votes pro deletion, 1 split and 6 keeps). I am one of the main curators of the page, but I was not informed and the discussion for its deletion just slipped past me. I believe the article is informative and should have a place in wikipedia and in my opinion the action taken should not have been delete, but the recruitment of experts in the English language to overhaul the article. The article, which had been in place for several years and had over 1,000 views per day, was subject to a lot of IP user edits which increased its contents often in the wrong direction and subjective but in good faith (which were not deleted in order to encourage new users, i.e. WP:BITE) — several case brought forth for its deletion were in fact these edits. As a consequence the page was too long and poorly connected, hence one proposal for split. It was considered informative, albeit disorganised and subjective in some passages. This could have been solved by removing several passages which were subjective and expanding on the discussion of the unique nature of the letters "w" and "y", which several users found problematic. Furthermore, this page actually acted as a hub, interlinking several smaller articles, which, now that the redlinks have been removed, have now been tagged as orphans. --Squidonius (talk) 23:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC) Squidonius (talk) 23:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
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Article should be reinstated. Article was already under deletion review once and all notability guidelines were met and it was reinstated. Now, it has been redeleted for incorrect reasons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Granville_Automatic To counter the false information there, both members have been in notable bands. Olivarez founded Sugarland. Elkins was in The Swear. Granville Automatic is on PBS' Sun Studio Sessions. Elkins won Grand Prize (not third place) in the John Lennon contest. Album is not sold at shows, has not been released. Live at Sun Studio will be released on iTunes this month. Both band members have their own notable Wiki pages. This being deleted doesn't make sense since they are already both notable. Please consider reinstating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.140.221.45 (talk) 20:59, November 7, 2011
Endorse deletion. I voted against them in the AfD, and the reinstater's blurb pretty much sums up why: the mild notability achieved by band members in their former careers plus their mild potential to achieve some in the future does not make up for the lack of evidence right now that this new band has achieved notability sufficient to merit an encyclopedia article. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 03:11, 11 November 2011 (UTC) |
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Should have been closed as no consensus. The discussion does not evidence an agreement that the sources provide enough detail to write an article. There are also strong merge arguments made. Beyond that, the closer has never in a substantial history closed an AFD as "no consensus" ([21]) and was forced to revise what was basically a super-vote when it turns out their premise was flawed ([22]). There is no reason that this AFD, which was massively polluted by off-wiki canvasing, and actual paid advocates (note SPAs) demonstrates a consensus to keep - at best, it's no consensus to do anything, which, while it defaults to keep, is still an important point of process, and needed education for future contentious AFD closers. Hipocrite (talk) 14:39, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Occurences of '* Keep' in afd page: 23 I.e. 18% for deletion and 82% for keep.--hughey (talk) 10:11, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
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The image gives the readers a better understanding of the crime and the victim Caden cool 00:24, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
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Please see User talk:Master of Puppets#close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Air Hawke's Bay. Closing administrator argues there for the existence of a delete and merge outcome at AfD. The nomination itself was a textbook example from Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, combining WP:JNN and WP:JUSTAPOLICY. Further discussion revealed that the nomination was based on a private theory of notability in which Wikipedia articles will have "extensive" coverage; and also that the contributions of newbies, or the lack thereof, are one of the measures by which Wikipedians define wp:notability. The 2nd contribution, which for the benefit of the encyclopedia could/should have been a speedy close of the AfD, instead provided a WP:JNN !vote. A third contribution followed with a WP:JUSTAVOTE. The final delete !vote IMO misrepresents the concept of "in-depth" coverage as well as fails to consider the applicability of WP:ATD policy. So three of the delete !votes are straight out of Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, the fourth delete !vote has not documented any research efforts, and no case has been made that the topic is objectionable. And the case argued that some of the material is objectionable is an editorial concern which is not matched by edits to the article. One of the keep !votes doesn't seem to stand up to review, leaving 2 keep !votes and 1 merge !vote to consider by the closer. Not exactly an overwhelming consensus, but to close this as delete, or delete and merge depending on how you view it, is not policy/guideline based, and in addition does a dis-service to the encyclopedia. I also suspect that a delete and merge violates our licensing requirements, so I hope other editors will clarify this issue. Overturn to keep. Unscintillating (talk) 22:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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I did not understand why TParis (talk · contribs) closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death Valley Driver Video Review (5th nomination) as no consensus instead of delete and discussed his closure with him here. He noted that he gave significant weight to the assertion that notability is inherited. He wrote, "The keep !voters base their rationale on the presumption of notable. The delete !voters argue against the google sources but don't even address that the website has interviewed notable people which leaves the presumption of sources." and "It's not inherited. It's presumed to have it's own notability based on the interviews of notable people." The assertion that the delete side did not address whether notability is inherited from the website's having interviewed people is incorrect:
After a relist, two editors (Neutrality and LibStar) were unswayed by the notability-is-inherited argument and implicitly rejected it by supporting deletion. I base this DRV nomination on the reasoning that TParis gave too much weight to the assertion of a single editor, Dream Focus (talk · contribs), that notability was inherited from the interviewing of notable subjects. Three editors explicitly rejected the notability-is-inherited argument, and two others did so implicitly. Had other editors supported Dream Focus' position that notability is inherited, TParis' argument that "there is a persumption of notability [based on inheritance]" might have merit. No one else—not even the other "keep" editors—supported this strand of reasoning. Overturn to delete. Goodvac (talk) 03:34, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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Someone deleted Star Parker's page? This seriously passed review?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.12.64 (talk)
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Restore. Meets the criteria for notability as set in WP:PORNBIO with multible nominations in different years. The person who deleted the article after this discussion. He mentioned that: There is also concern that the PORNBIO guideline may be too loose. So he made a clear mistake in not accepting the relevance criteria. So if I follow him she is unknown...OK. Then you should explain why she has Google hits. Otherwise the best arguments had Schmidt and he was ignored too. --Hixteilchen (talk) 08:33, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
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Restore. The page is about a young English Actor who first lead role was as Henry in Just William (2010 TV serial) Just William has just been nominated for 3 Baftas. This page has had many visitors to the page and people are intreated in him, if people did not want to know about him, they would not of visited the page but they did and you could see this from the visitor history before the page history was delete the other day, he had 560 visitors in 30days. He has done TV work, a Short Film and Modelling. It had good referencing and links to BBC News, IMDB and links to other wikipedia pages too. It met Notability guideline and Wikipedia:ARTIST, I do not feel it is TOO SOON as stated by some, he has had internet and press coverage . In a nutshell this page should not have been deleted and is of interest to people who wanted know about this actor. Just william Cast BBC Website Image of William (Daniel Roche) with the outlaws Ginger (Jordan Grehs), Douglas (Edward Piercy) and Henry (Robert Foster) in Just William,Cast up date on Just William Someone has also used info from his wikipedia page to make a Facebook public figure page. Please look at links Cast and Info about Just William IMDB Boy with the Chocolate Fingers as you can see this is just a few links. Please remember lots of adults and children look at wikipedia to find out information and facts and just because it might not be what you like, some people did find the page interesting due to the amount of visitor.Gem09 (talk) 15:25, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
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