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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep and tag historical the WP: space pages, delete the mainspace redirects, and keep the barnstar (move at editors' discretion). Pegasus «C¦T» 12:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Warcraft pages

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I'm nominating the following pages for deletion:

While they don't all fall under the direct purview of MfD, I thought it best to keep discussion centralized. For the most part, all of the above are in no way needed in any way since WikiProject Warcraft elected to become a task force of WP:VG. Further, the majority either a) do not have a direct translation to an equivalent of WP:VG's, b) do not have an equivalent of WP:VG, but I do not see why we should have one in all cases, c) are redirects which would probably end up speedy deleted per redirect cleanup (or otherwise serve as unneeded redirects, and from mainspace into project space), or d) which have functions duplicated largely by the main page of WP:VG/WC and which I do not really see a reason for them to redirect.

The only one I can possibly see keeping is the barnstar template, but even that I think could be scratched and any given user awarded the Video game barnstar instead. --Izno (talk) 00:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments - The participants page has an extensive edit history going back to 2006. Should probably keep that, as it is part of the history of Wikipedia. There is no reason why it can't just be marked as historical with a link to the participants page at the main project, in case anyone ends up at the old page by accident. The other pages I'm less worried about. In general, though, I think many MfD nominations could be dealt with by blanking or inactivation of pages (blanking with a notice placed on the page). No real need to delete, which should only be for stuff that is inappropriate to keep. Archiving should be encouraged, instead of deletion. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Silmarillion for something similar. Carcharoth (talk) 01:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    More or less I'm acting as a member of WP:VG/IPC in an attempt to clean up the project space, since they aren't historical, but rather, abandoned (WP:VG/WC doesn't need them). As for the edit history on /Participation, I would suspect (though you are welcome to prove me wrong) that the large majority of the edits are simply "hi, this is my name", rather than substantive history, as might be found on a talk page that had been archived (see WP:VG/IPC#Completed and the MfDs surrounding them, particularly that on WP:MMO). In effect, we're just cleaning up our WP:VG's area of the space, and these are just the forgotten leftovers from when WP:WP Warcraft became a task force of WP:VG. --Izno (talk) 03:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    If you don't need them, why are you asking for them to be deleted? I realise some pages have been archived in the past and some deleted, but this is a wiki. It is possible to keep more than you think you need to keep and turn really useless pages into redirects, rather than deleting, so that the contribution history is still visible. When pages get deleted, the contributions to that page move into someone's deleted contributions, rather than remaining visible in their public contributions. This is the main reason why I favour archiving over deletion (and the argument some people put forward that deleted page revisions are still visible to some doesn't wash - deletion is not archiving). I'd even say that undeletion and proper archiving of some of those previously deleted pages could be done. In the main it is the main thrust of MfD that I am trying (rather unsuccessfully) to turn back. The tendency to delete rather than archive, though I did note that the clean-up process you pointed me at did archive some of the pages. Deletion should really, in my opinion, be used for harmful, inappropriate or wasteful mainspace material, not for cleaning up abandoned odds-and-ends in project space. Those should be archived at various levels, and in all likelihood never touched again, but will still be there as a record of what happened. Carcharoth (talk) 09:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and move different pages: I'd say some of these could be delete and others kept.
  • I don't see the two redirects being used any more and believe they can safely be deleted.
  • The Index and Community pages look like they never got off the ground. Their current state and small edit histories (only ten and five respectively) make me think they can also be deleted without worry.
  • The two awards should probably be kept. I think they can be moved from their current location to subpages under the Warcraft task force.
  • The Particpants page is a bit of a toss up. It serves no real purpose, but has a sizable edit history. I think the most prudent action would be to move it to a subpage of the Warcraft task force and tag as historical.
My two cents. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC))[reply]
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