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The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.

User:Pvcblue

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Evidence

An edit war has been going on on The Smurfs since July 19th, when 72.48.12.232 added an external link to Pvcblue's site[1], and Pvcblue corrected that tlink three minutes later[2] (I suppose the first is his original IP address, and he wasn't logged in then: no problem there). After a week, a number of IP address users started to read the link, without further comment: this was usually their only edit to Wikipedia. I suspect that they are either sockpuppets or meatpuppets of pvcblue. The reason why the link is unnecessary and the discussion is at the talk page, but that is irrelevant here.

Things then got quiet for a few weeks, but after I deleted the link again (as no reason for including it was given on the talk page), it started all over again the last few days:

Eigth different users all with the same single purpose and method, it gets a bit tiring... Fram 09:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

A - Fram only removes my link because he has issues with me, when a wiki edit monitor said it could stay, Fram still removed it, when another wiki mod re-added my link and shortened it for comprimise , again Fram removed it - weeks after stating I was told to make a case for it, NO ADMIN or EDIT MONITOR sent me any kind of message or said in any discussion for me to make a case for it, but THEY did put it back on the page, Fram who thinks he own's the page keeps removing it.

B - Fram now accuses me of what, I am not really sure exactly as the whole process and pages and definitions are so conveluted and unreadable and unfollowable it is not funny, but as far as I see this thing, he is saying I put people up to doing this, returning my link after he (not anyone else) decides it should be removed. No I don't tell or make anyone do anything, but if others who dont like what he is doing are doing this - it is his problem - not mine.

There are also 3 other links there on that page that should be removed for the same reasons as Fram keeps stating for my link removal but he leaves them there, seems I am the only one that Fram removes tho - this link thing is his little pet project. He needs to leave it alone, when a edit monitor himself makes the link acceptable and adds it back to the page a normal user like Fram should not remove it! Plain and simple.

Pvcblue 15:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to A: I have explained at the talk page why I removed the link. Wikipedia has no "edit monitors", Wikipedia has no "mods", I don't think I own the page. You were well aware of the discussion at the talk page, as you participated in it. As for an editor saying it could stay and another readding your link: please provide diffs, as I don't know what you are talking about.
Reply to B: I was not the only one deciding that it should be removed, and I have given reasons why, while none of the eight people who are supposedly sockpuppets or meatpuppets have ever bothered to give an explanation why it should be added. And it is quite a coincidence that so many people come along to add the same link to your website in the same manner always the same day I or someone else removes it, without there being some organized effort to do so.
Reply to the rest: other links are not the focus of this discussion, this is about suspected sock (or meat) puppets. Again you are talking about "edit monitors" versus "normal users", but that kind of thing does not exist here. Furthermore, please show me where some other long-time editor has readded the link (and not just shortened, cleaned, ... it after you put it up and refused to put it at the bottom and/or make it shorter). As far as I know, no one except you and the above eight editors have ever added this link. Fram 20:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are so full of it - where in any of this does this prove anything about "sockpuppets"?? It doesn't!!! You can speculate all you want but it is your suspicions against me, saying I did, but I didn't have anything to do with "puppetry" - this is your personal vendetta - I didn't put anyone up to it, but you have this need to come after me.

you wrote - "Reply to the rest: other links are not the focus of this discussion, this is about suspected sock (or meat) puppets. Again you are talking about "edit monitors" versus "normal users", but that kind of thing does not exist here. Furthermore, please show me where some other long-time editor has readded the link (and not just shortened, cleaned, ... it after you put it up and refused to put it at the bottom and/or make it shorter). As far as I know, no one except you and the above eight editors have ever added this link. Fram 20:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)"

Cobaltbluetony is a edit monitor, he fixed and replaced the link to my website - you are a regular user - where do you get off undoing what he does?

Also you only have 6 unknown editors - one is me - I forgot to log in - the horror!! and 2 are registered users, now if you are unfairly accusing them of something I wonder if they can go to wiki about you?

58.170.1.153 inetnum: 58.160.0.0 - 58.175.255.255 netname: TELSTRAINTERNET42-AU descr: Telstra Internet descr: Locked Bag 5744 descr: Canberra descr: ACT 2601 country: AU


60.229.173.157 inetnum: 60.224.0.0 - 60.231.255.255 netname: TELSTRAINTERNET43-AU descr: Telstra Internet descr: Locked Bag 5744 descr: Canberra descr: ACT 2601 country: AU

71.125.241.83 OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc. OrgID: VRIS Address: 1880 Campus Commons Dr City: Reston StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20191 Country: US


72.48.32.190 Grande Communications Networks, Inc. GRANDECOM-05 (NET-72-48-0-0-1) 

                                 72.48.0.0 - 72.48.255.255

Grande Communications FRISCO GRANDECOM-FRISCO-DSL-DYNAMIC (NET-72-48-0-0-2) 

                                 72.48.0.0 - 72.48.63.255


72.68.162.63 OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc. OrgID: VRIS Address: 1880 Campus Commons Dr City: Reston StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20191 Country: US


72.80.106.54 OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc. OrgID: VRIS Address: 1880 Campus Commons Dr City: Reston StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20191 Country: US


Fram just go get a real life - leave me the hell alone! I left you alone for weeks, not even caring about links or anything, but all of a sudden YOU decided you needed to remove the link to my site again, and someone else - thank you whoever you are - decides it needed to go back - so what do you do? - "oh let's got get pvcblue" - you need a reality break!

Pvcblue

Cobaltbluetony is an editor, I am an editor, you are an editor. There are no "edit monitors", and he is not an administrator. Furthermore, he fixed the link to your website, he didn't replace it after I or anyone else deleted it: he put it in a correct position and made it a bit more acceptable. Oh, and another reply to your previous point A: look at tthis diff [13] and then tell me again that "NO ADMIN or EDIT MONITOR sent me any kind of message or said in any discussion for me to make a case for it, but THEY did put it back on the page". Stbalbach (a regular editor, just like all of us) asked you to make a case, and you replied: so they did tell you to make a case, and they didn't put it back on the page. Instead of making a case for the value of your site, you wrote a rant against me, to which I replied. After that, you nor anyone else of the eight mentioned above that felt the need to put the link to your site in, have replied in any way, not even by an edit summary. So the question still remains: why is your site worthy of inclusion compared to many other ones, when it is incomplete, has a very small forum, and offers nothing the other linked sites do better. Furthermore, you violate WP:EL by adding a link to your own site. Basically, there is no reason given to have your site in the external links, you have not continued the discussion at the talk page (and refused discussion at your own talk page), you have made incivil remarks repeatedly, and there is a quite suspicious amount of new users with the same editing pattern, which is actually all that this page is about. Fram 07:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You wote - " Basically, there is no reason given to have your site in the external links, you have not continued the discussion at the talk page (and refused discussion at your own talk page), you have made incivil remarks repeatedly, and there is a quite suspicious amount of new users with the same editing pattern, which is actually all that this page is about. "

No I haven't continued to contribute - YOU MADE ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE HERE - your constant harrassment made me feel unwelcome and I left - just like now - I have not been around for weeks, yet you bring this back to me and I have had nothing to do with it. YOU HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM, you are the one who needs to be looked into. I am saying this for the last time - LEAVE ME ALONE! I don't care what YOU feel or think is right or wrong. YOU are not GOD - YOU are not the owners of this site, YOU are just a person with a agenda and personal grudge. - The word by the way is UNCIVIL not incivil, and so what I have made them, big deal - YOU WON'T LEAVE ME ALONE! You are a arrogant, self righteous, pompass, small minded little man and need to get a life! You can have all the freaking suspicions you want and have fun doing it - BUT LEAVE ME THE HECK ALONE! IF everyone is equal and there are no MODS or ADMINS, then YOU need to stop YOUR actions and just leave me alone - YOU brought this to me (and keep doing so) and wonder why I am uncivil? You do need serious help! Pvcblue 13:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Incivility is NOT an appropriate response to perceived harrassment. Nevertheless, you persist in ignoring the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia (WP:NOT and WP:EL, for starters) and do not work well with others. This is an serious encyclopedia, not a promotional platform for your own work. If you have well-researched information, you may add it (avoiding original research) with the appropriate formal tone and listing or referencing your sources. There ARE administrators to enforce the polices and guidelines of the site, so if you persist, you could get yourself banned for sockpuppetry or incivility. - CobaltBlueTony 14:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Closing. This is just a big thing, over something very minor. The IPs could be blocked for spamming, as could that account: Report it! Iolakana•T 17:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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