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Wagerweb

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Poorly sourced, and a search for sources sufficient to save this article was not successful. Just the occasional sports betting churnalism/SEO, and a few passing mentions nearly 20 years ago about hurricane betting. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 06:12, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The Oxford Handbook of Sports Economics Volume 2 list it as one of only eight active Sportsbooks in the world. At a bare minimum, we should at least selective merge this to Sportsbook.4meter4 (talk) 06:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The linked sources says that it's one of the eight sources that make up the data that Sports Insights presents to their subscribers. There are far more than eight active sportsbooks in the world, and there certainly were back then as well. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 11:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A passing mention in a 12 year old reliable source is insufficient to establish notabilty in 2024. Wikipedia should not be a guidebook to non-notable gambling websites that lack significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Only notable entities should be mentioned in an article like Sportsbook, which is highly susceptible to spam and promotional editing. Cullen328 (talk) 10:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom. I was going to nominate this myself once the article was stable, but then I got busy with other things. Tessaract2^Hi! 13:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Victorian bias in the Australian Football League

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Propose to delete or WP:ATD-I this article. The topic is not without merit, but from the moment it was created until now, it has been more of a grab-bag of unrelated WP:OR points, WP:SYNTHs from statistical sources, presentation of various editorial news articles opinions, and reads like an essay (or, in places, a diatribe). I believe it is at a standard where it shouldn't remain in the mainspace, and can't be brought to a mainspace standard without being abandoned and rewritten from scratch. Aspirex (talk) 09:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Solomon Islands at the 2024 World Aquatics Championships

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of notability under GNG or SNG. Basically the whole article is to say that they entered one person in that event and they lost. No GNG sources, just one database type source for that factoid. North8000 (talk) 18:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This type of article/list has very little potential for growrth, and is at best appropriate for an overview along the lines of Solomon Islands at the World Aquatics Championships. It doesn't exist, so a merge isn't possible at the time. Geschichte (talk) 20:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Thoroughbred Racing on CBS commentators

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I'm not finding the needed coverage of these commentators as a grouping to meet the WP:LISTN. Let'srun (talk) 05:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The title is badly written but I do think sports commentators who specialize in covering horse races is an appropriate list topic under WP:NLIST. There appears to be enough of them on this one network for it to be a substantial list.4meter4 (talk) 11:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this needs a large reformatting to bring it in line with standards (and maybe a re-titling), but the information contained within it seems like it adds value to the encyclopedia. Certainly offers more useful information than many of the other Category:Lists of horse racing commentators. RachelTensions (talk) 17:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Thoroughbred Racing on CBS. I could not find any sources either. The only reasonble keep would be due to the length of the parent but I don't see a reason this information couldn't just be included there. Esolo5002 (talk) 21:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge. I think this is an appropriate fork of Thoroughbred Racing on CBS, but I would also support a merge to that article.4meter4 (talk) 22:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Morrinsville Sports

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Fails basic notability guidelines. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 19:04, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:ORGCRIT.4meter4 (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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List of Super Bowl losing quarterbacks

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Topic is not independently notable, essentially trivia, and is already included in List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks. This is an unnecessary content fork as everything is already covered in the target article. Also fails WP:NLIST with no coverage specifically of losing QBs as a group (only thing I could find was the an AI-generated Statmuse page already in the article). Frank Anchor 14:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I get what you mean it's just a lot of the data provided in my article, other than the list itself, is nowhere on wikipedia. None of the winning percentages, data, nothing. While it may be considered trivia in your eyes, so is most of the list of super bowl starting quarterbacks. It is also simply interesting data for some football fanatics. It may not necessarily need deletion either, and could go as an insertion into the list of super Bowl quarterbacks article, not in it's entirety, but somewhat. Take the interesting statistics section, add some other undefeated QB's in there, and voila. RSWC65onYT (talk) 15:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. Duplicative and unnecessary content fork. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keith Brown (American football)

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This is a partial hoax. It looks like there was a Keith Brown who played college football at Rhode Island but he never signed with an NFL team. He just had a tryout in 2006. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anadolu Efes S.K. past rosters

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Article was tagged uncited 4 years ago and does not exist in Turkish. As the main article includes info such as notable players perhaps this uncited article does not have any notable info which is not already in the main article. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I could see a list of players, if sourced, but rosters of each individual year is not a thing I think we do. Some have been up for AFD previously. Maccabi Tel Aviv B.C. past rosters was kept in 2008, whereas C.D. Primeiro de Agosto past squads was deleted in 2015. I think that's telling of how the demands in deletion discussions have evolved. Geschichte (talk) 16:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Acıbadem Üniversitesi S.K.

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Although there are 9 sources on the Turkish article some are trivial and others no longer exist. So I doubt this team is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 14:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Bahçeşehir Koleji S.K.. Per this source: Team names: Acibadem Universitesi Istanbul (-2016), Bahcesehir (2017-). Geschichte (talk) 16:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Koosha Toofan

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Nothing on a before. No indication of significance. Been on the cat:nn since 2010. scope_creep^Talk 14:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. The article has no claim of importance, and the references do not demonstrate notability. The World Physique magazine interview is the best source, and I'm not sure it should be counted at all for GNG; the other sources are worse. A Google search finds nothing other than his personal website (with a biography that differs substantially from this one) and Wikipedia derivatives. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Falls WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Ampil ^{(Ταικ • Cοnτribυτιοns)} 13:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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World Championship of Legends (Cricket)

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Non notable cricket tournament trying to use WP:NOTINHERITED to assert a notability. Just because a number of notable former players competed at this event, it doesn't mean the event itself is notable, and the coverage for the event does not pass WP:GNG. We have deleted many similar non-notable "legends/masters" event articles like this in the past. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete: It's the same page that was deleted by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Championship of Legends, now under a new title. Both titles should be salted as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 03:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I found this title notable as it has enough good references on trusted websites. It is different from the previous page and this is a notable tournament approved by England and Wales Cricket Board. I invite Red_Phoenix to share the views here as i can saw their contribution on the page earlier.Shawshank123 (talk) 06:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's the same tournament that was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Championship of Legends (although that was an AFD with minimal participation). Please provide evidence that it passes WP:GNG rather than just stating that it's notable- most of the sources are just WP:ROUTINE coverage. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The most I can say is I declined the speedy deletion request as being dissimilar to the linked previous deletion request, which was not to the link that Joseph2302 put above but instead to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Legends Cricket Trophy. Knowing about the other discussion now, I probably would have still recommended AFD just because of the minimal participation and the recreation that indicates someone else disagrees (this is a “spirit of the policy” interpretation rather than a letter of the policy one), but I make no opinion on how noteworthy the event itself actually is. Red Phoenix ^talk 14:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I made a mistake on the G4 nomination, sorry. But agree that a second AFD is more sensible than speedy deletion, as the 1st AFD had limited participation. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Kitt

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He was involved in a minor controversy in 2024 with David Coote (referee) but I don't think he is notable on his own and definitely not of sustained notability FMSky (talk) 08:55, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I do think we can add more info about his time playing cricket, but I've never really learned cricket rules or terms, so we could try reaching out to a Wikipedian who likes cricket. That Northern Irish Historian (talk) 15:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@That Northern Irish Historian I've added a cricket career section with what I could find but he never played for the Nottinghamshire first XI so there isn't much. Just an article featuring his debut for Cornwall, then another that details his signing for Nottinghamshire and two about his subsequent release from the club. I'm not going to vote but if this was a cricket based biography there's no way he'd warrant inclusion in Wikipedia in my opinion. Shrug02 (talk) 18:55, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:NCRICK having never played a game and WP:GNG. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 18:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. From a cricket perspective, he isn't notable as he only played at Minor Counties and Second XI level. AA (talk) 23:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the "controversy" fails WP:NOTNEWS, and his cricket career does not meet WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bagmati Province Cricket Association

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 07:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also nominating the following for the same reason,

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Delete: As per nom and in all cases put forward.

Shrug02 (talk) 16:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all as all seem to fail WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdul Majid (cricketer)

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV as Abdul Majid, Abdul Majid Abbasi or Abdul Abbasi, all of which he has been known as by various platforms. However, still all listings/routine fixtures/short bios listing teams/fixtures. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Coetzee

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV, listings/routine fixtures only. What little MSM coverage there is comprises match stats and short bios listing teams/fixtures. Probably not the Martin Coetzee at University of Pretoria. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yasim Murtaza

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV, listings/routine fixtures only. What little MSM coverage there is comprises match stats and short bios listing teams/fixtures. There would appear to be a lot of these very routine players with articles! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ally Kimote

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. None of the sources address the subject directly or in detail other than sports databases which have been deemed not relevant towards proving notability. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 21:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kassim Nassoro

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. None of the sources have in-depth coverage of Nassoro. The article is mostly based on a cricket database which per the 2022 RFC is not considered substantial coverage toward notability.4meter4 (talk) 21:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Tanzania Twenty20 International cricketers as a valid WP:ATD that has been done for numerous other players who've played in minor T20I matches. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the nominator of this AFD I agree redirect is a good option also. Shrug02 (talk) 21:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rakibul Hasan

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Fails to meet significant coverage criteria. I PRODed this article but then discovered it had already been done in the past so am now AFDing it. Shrug02 (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV, listings/routine fixtures only. What little MSM coverage there is comprises match stats and short bios listing teams/fixtures. Confusingly, there's also a Rakibul Hasan (cricketer, born 2002) out there who is no more notable. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Héctor Pérez (footballer, born 1983)

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. First, a WP:BEFORE found no significant and independent coverage, only databases, namesakes and WP:PASSING mentions such as this, this and the ABC piece already in the article (which mentions him in a match lineup). Second, the international appearance for Paraguay seems false. According to NFT, the only Pérez who played that match was Hernán Pérez, a much more merited player, and think about it: why would Héctor Pérez represent Paraguay in 2011 when he has not been verified as having a club that year, playing once in 2010? Geschichte (talk) 08:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Diego Gutiérrez (footballer, born 1993)

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Not possible to verify that this player played anywhere significant or meets WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Never played any games for Carolina Switchbacks. Geschichte (talk) 07:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Islom Kenjaboev

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Tagged for this by others since September. Has no sources other than databases much less GNG sources. North8000 (talk) 22:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. I could find no WP:RS.4meter4 (talk) 22:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails on WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Popularity of Premier League clubs

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Not a suitable topic for an article, it requires too much original research. Largely based on one study conducted by Twitter in 2015. Many of the other statements are unsourced or not supported by the source. Walsh90210 (talk) 21:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:NOTPROMO. Also an inappropriate WP:CFORK.4meter4 (talk) 23:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: if deleted merge into other articles please.

Schestos (talk) 00:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This isn't WP:NOTPROMO, but it is essentially a literature review. SportingFlyer T·C 05:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - per SportingFlyer. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brayan Velásquez

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There is nothing notable about playing 28 football games in the league of Honduras, and youth world cups do not grant notability either. This would need several good WP:SIGCOV pieces to even be considered as passing the notability bar. Geschichte (talk) 16:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SPORTSBASIC. Here are a few examples from the just the first couple pages in google news: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] There are more...4meter4 (talk) 17:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The above sources are transfer stories/match reports/interviews which are routine coverage and do not pass GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 10:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenichi Nozawa

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG as only 19 of the games came in the J League system, namely Japan's third league. Japanese Wikipedia only has two sources, which are primary. Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 16:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I notice there are 17 foreign language wiki pages. Do any of those have better sources than the English wiki page?4meter4 (talk) 17:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024–25 Montenegrin Women's League

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Contested draftification. Entirely unsourced, and a WP:BEFORE search turned up little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Isolated editions of women's competitions rarely have WP:GNG on their own. Svartner (talk) 23:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per Svartner. The level of women's football is low, resulting in significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FFK National Educational Camp

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Contested draftification. Not well sourced, and a WP:BEFORE search turned up little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to FC Hajvalia – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 23:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryuolivier Iwamoto

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Creator is globally locked. Not remotely indicating that WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT is met. Never played on a notable level. 0 J League games, 0 cup games. Played some school matches before retiring; why he retired is described by himself in the Nikkan Sports source in the Japanese Wikipedia. Bunshun described him starting to work in a bank, but he does not meet business bio inclusion criteria. Geschichte (talk) 14:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eleven Star FC

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Fails WP:GNG. Club only existed for one season and does not have WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 15:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 23:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 17:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above.--Gul Butt (talk) 18:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Serie A broadcasters

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Notability of this topic has not changed since the last AFD 6-7 months ago. It still falls foul of WP:NOTTVGUIDE, and doesn't meet WP:LISTN or WP:GNG. I would support WP:SALTing this to prevent another re-creation. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. Not deemed to have standalone notability here (straight lift from itwiki which can set their own inclusion standards) and already deleted recently only to re-appear due to the page title being 'freed'. Crowsus (talk) 12:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think it's important to note that it's not a direct recreation. There was a request for speedy deletion which was denied by Asilvering saying decline WP:G4, text greatly expanded from deleted version, no longer just a list, would need new discussion. Therefore the recreation isn't due to the page title being 'freed', but rather the creator would seem to think the expansion is enough for it to be notable enough to stand currently (also see what Claudio Fernag wrote on the talk page: This page should not be speedily deleted because the article is no substantially identical to the deleted version. The article is no longer just a list of broadcasters like when it was deleted, a context has been added that gives it notability, and verifiable and reliable sources were also included. The same happened with the article List of La Liga broadcasters, which at first was just a table with a list of broadcasters. It was nominated for deletion, more information was added to give it more notability and it was finally kept). --SuperJew (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Fair enough, but to be fair I couldn't see the original version for comparison. Crowsus (talk) 07:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and SALT I also agree with nomination, I feel this is not the right type of material we should be having on wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 17:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: but rename to "Serie A in media", "Serie A broadcasting", "Serie A on television" or similar, not opposed to Draftify until quality concerns are met. Strongly opposed to salting. The article is not in a great state and is clearly based on / inspired by the it:wiki article which is IMO in need of some editing to trim it down. Nonetheless, the notability is clearly there, and this should be the "expansion/detailed article" corresponding to the TV rights section of the Serie A article. There is repeated coverage of TV rights negotiations, impacts on viewers and commentary on current status of TV rights in the main Italian newspapers of record (e.g., 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...). There is more specialized work to analyze the landscape in niche publications / sources (which should naturally be reviewed to ensure they pass RS), such as 6, 7 (also independently published as a book, which may be better for referencing), 8, 9, 10 (appears to be a very good source, published by Taylor & Francis), 11... Research papers on this topic also exist, however I don't know if they meet our quality requirements: 12 and 13 published when Serie A TV rights were being renewed in 2005, 14, 15, 16... As well as theses (again, to check if RS is met): 17, 18. Shazback (talk) 17:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep am I missing something? This isn't the same article, and it seems to clearly pass WP:GNG with those Italian language articles above. We don't gatekeep if something is notable. SportingFlyer T·C 18:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also WP:NOTTVGUIDE clearly does not apply here, which is for upcoming shows on specific networks. SportingFlyer T·C 18:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They don't look like WP:SUSTAINED coverage to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are sources already in the article that span 20 years of coverage. SportingFlyer T·C 20:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What would be sufficient for WP:SUSTAINED? In 1995, half-page on page 4 of La Stampa regarding the TV rights sales of Serie A and B La Stampa 31 Oct. 1995 p.4, 2010 editorial article and analysis in La Repubblica on how TV rights sales affect the league to optimize commercial revenues La Repubblica 3 Mar. 2010 online, unknown if published... See the links above in addition... What type of sources would satisfy this aspect of the notability guideline? Shazback (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping to GiantSnowman, IgnatiusofLondon, TimothyBlue, SpacedFarmer as they participated in the previous AfD. Shazback (talk) 20:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - article appears impressive, but is very poorly written and sourcing is inadequate to show notability of this topic. Giant Snowman 21:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Poor writing should be improved, not deleted. Regarding the sourcing, can you expand as two editors above have explained in detail how there is enough sourcing. --SuperJew (talk) 07:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Serie A#Television rights – No need for a fork, as decided in similar AfD in the past. If there is relevant content, simply add it to this section. Svartner (talk) 23:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Although the article can be improved, it is notable enough as shown by editors above and shouldn't be deleted. Summarising and merging is a possible alternative, though it seems to me that there is enough content for a standalone page. --SuperJew (talk) 07:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dmitri Zakharov (footballer, born 2000)

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Fails WP:GNG (WP:NBASIC).--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 02:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV/WP:SPORTSBASIC. I found coverage on a Russian scientist and a Russian television personality/broadcaster of the same name. Admittedly I am not a Russian speaker so my BEFORE may not have turned up something pertinent to notability on this particular Dmitri Zakharov. If something changes, ping me. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – if someone shows interest in improving. I'm not opposed to deleting it. Svartner (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Bazmandegan

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 22:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I don't follow sports in the country, but agree with nomination. Corresponding article on Arabic Wikipedia is also a stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdulrahman Al-Rashidi (Qatari footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I don't follow sports in the country, but agree with nomination. Corresponding article on Arabic Wikipedia is also a stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naaim Firdaus

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The subject has only played in two matches to date and this is just a stats stub as things stand with a very weak claim to notability. I found Borneo Post, Harian Metro and Makan Bola but all of these are trivial mentions. If nothing better is found, then this fails WP:SPORTBASIC pure and simple. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandru Tofan

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Delete - I have not been able to find (WP:BEFORE) independent sources of any kind to establish or support the notability of this soccer player with regard to WP:SPORTBASIC. There are plenty of database sources, but I understand that this is not sufficient to establish notability. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - insufficient coverage exists to meet guidelines including WP:A and WP:V. C 679 06:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Farid Azmi

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Played a total of 11 minutes in Malaysia's top tier football league. BEFORE search shows nothing. Does not pass WP:GNG. Kline • talk • contribs 01:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 04:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete, does not present a credible claim to significance or notability. Geschichte (talk) 10:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Doesn't pass any notability guidelines. Mekomo (talk) 10:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zazrir Naim

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Played a total of 103 minutes in the top tier of Malaysia football over 3 years. A check for sources found 2 articles total, only mentioning him in passing mention. Does not pass WP:GNG. Kline • talk • contribs 00:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 04:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Doesn't pass WP:SPORTSBASIC or WP:GNG. Mekomo (talk) 10:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Thomas (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article already had two things going for it, both a reasonable claim to notability, and sources that can well be considered sigcov (namely Stuff). The nomination therefore falls flat in failing to argue why "Article fails WP:GNG". In addition, from a summary search I found [9] [10]. In total, I believe it passes the sigcov bar Geschichte (talk) 08:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep, barely passes SIGCOV in my opinion. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 11:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Enough sources provided to pass WP:SIGCOV.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 21:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mads Hamberg Andersen

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Not even coverage in databases that could point to how he would be notable. Geschichte (talk) 06:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnson (soccer)

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Similar case to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lecomte (archer). Placements at the early Olympics depended on circumstance, it was not the serious global competition we see today. Specifically, soccer at the 1904 Olympics took place between three random clubs. When not even his name is known, the fact that he won a medal matters little. At best, redirect to either football or the US at the 1904 Summer Olympics. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to e.g. Football at the 1904 Summer Olympics#Medalists or List of 1904 Summer Olympics medal winners#Football. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of 1904 Summer Olympics medal winners#Football: Fails WP:GNG. Demt1298 (talk) 14:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per the previous two users. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 19:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above. If by some staggering chance it is kept, the title needs changing as it could refer to any one of probably dozens of professionals past and present -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – There isn't even enough information to support the article itself, listing for the 1904 Summer Olympics squads is more than enough. Svartner (talk) 02:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Illya Tsaryuk

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Played half a game of football with no significant coverage cited here nor on Ukrainian Wikipedia (although the latter has more content, the sources are all non-independent or database sources). My own searches yielded Champion and UA Football, neither of which are anywhere near enough for even WP:SPORTBASIC #5, a lower bar than WP:GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete. If this isn't a failure to "make any credible claim of significance or importance", nothing is. Geschichte (talk) 22:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not A7 eligible. Giant Snowman 18:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Polideportivo Municipal de Manises

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Fails WP:GNG, Wikipedia is not a list of every structure to have ever existed. Stadiums are split off from clubs/cities when they are subjects of discussion as primary theme. "Stadium" with 1,000 capacity in town of 30,000; many American high schools probably have bigger facilities. Team has played one season ever in a national (regionally divided) league, in 1956-57. Not sure whether there is anything at all to salvage and whether that goes to the town or the team. Not even the biggest enthusiast of stadiums in Spain has written about this [11] Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Manises as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 02:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mana Nakao

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Playing 1 cup game for a J League team is a weak claim to notability. Sources in ja:wiki are either primary or match reports, none are in-depth. As such he fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Geschichte (talk) 12:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ramón Costa (footballer, born 1992)

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No significant coverage found during a WP:BEFORE. He played between 2–8 games for a number of clubs, in Brazilian's fourth, Mexico's second and Malaysia's league among others. The indication of notability is therefore very thin to start with. Geschichte (talk) 21:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. The claim he played for Italian club Juventus is not verified, Soccerway suggests a Brazilian club of the same name. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not to be confused, there is a team in São Paulo called CA Juventus. He played for that club, not for Juventus FC. Svartner (talk) 03:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – He played most of his career in teams from Rio de Janeiro state levels, but appears on a lot of local news portals due to spells in Americano and Belford Roxo: [12], [13], [14], [15], [16]. Svartner (talk) 03:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From what I understand, those sources are just transfer announcements. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources also provide satisfactory coverage of the player's career. What is most questionable in this case is the athlete's career tier level, but WP:SIGCOV exists. Svartner (talk) 02:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article about a semi-pro footballer whose claim to fame is scoring a goal in the first leg of the 2015 Taça Corcovado (as his club, Americano, would go on to win the second half of the third-tier Rio de Janeiro state competition). The articles above include a recap of that match that includes an interview with Ramón, and several articles about him re-signing with Americano years later (which reference that same goal). He's had a journeymen career at semi-pro level, and I can't find any SIRS coverage that would indicate our notability guideline is met. Jogurney (talk) 17:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I made some improvements to the article, including new sources. I understand he had a modest career and the discussion is valid, but I'm based on this precedent. Svartner (talk) 03:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haruki Umemura

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Deleted before. No trace of notability, played 1 cup game and not in any of the J Leagues, creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Umemura was deemed non-notable back in the first AfD ten years ago. He must meet GNG only in order for this article to be kept, as NFOOTBALL no longer exists. Even while searching for his name in Japanese, I didn't find any significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - So, Umemura didn’t play a lot of soccer due to some serious injuries, but there is an absolute ton of extensive independent coverage both of the injuries cutting his career short, but also of his after football career as the assistant abbot of a Buddhist temple belonging to his wife’s family. I’ve gone ahead and edited the article with all the extra information, sources and line citations. It’s all in Japanese (naturally), but you should be able to use google translate to check it if you are so inclined. I only ended up using like 6-7 of the articles, but there are at least another dozen or so readily apparent via a basic google search of his name (in kanji), and I can only guess many more if I used more precise search terms. With all these in-depth and independent sources, there is no way that this article does not meet general notability, and since, as @Clariniie points out, there is no seperate NFOOTBALL, this is as clear a keep as I’ve come across in a while. Ping to @GiantSnowman as requested. Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment To add, I can’t find evidence of a prior AfD (I’m guessing just because I don’t know where to look, having only been here 3 months still), but if it was 10 years ago that would have been just after that first injury, so it makes sense it failed because at that stage he’d still played no professional games yet, and had not transformed himself into a monk, so coverage would have been minimum simple due to “too soon”. Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haruki Umemura, it's literally linked in the top corner. Please summarise the sources for us. Giant Snowman 18:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, nice, can’t believe I didn’t look there.

They’re all in the article now, I added them all as sources / line citations… just click and translate via google translate. Some shorter articles, but some long articles too, a couple in the 3-5 page range. Here’s the kanji for his name though 梅村晴貴 - cut and past that into google and you’ll get the full basic search for his name.

It’s late here and I need to sleep, but if you still really need me to go through them for you rather than looking, I’ll have time later tomorrow.

Have a great day over there. Absurdum4242 (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so just the basics since I’m a bit busy this afternoon, but here’s that summary. Source order is as listed on the article.

Sources 2 and 4 - different pages from a 3 page article in a sports magazine on Umemura’s youth career, move to the professionals, and the injury that derailed his career.

Source 3 - single page article in the Shizuoka Shinbun Newspaper talking about Umemura’s participation in the SBS Cup International Youth Soccer tournament during his youth career.

Source 5 - short announcement, in an online soccer site, published by Kodansha, Japan’s largest publisher, announcing his professional signing.

Source 6 - short announcement, in same online site as source 5, announcing his injury and upcoming surgery.

Source 8 - 4 page article in a sports magazine talking about Umemura’s move from professional player, to team staff, to priest, due to the request from his wife’s family to take over their temple, and about his new role in that temple.

Source 9 - 1 page article in same online site as 5 and 6, talking about transition from player, to team staff, and then his two and a half years of training to gain his priest’s license. Also an announcement that he will be involved in a 15th anniversary match for the Toyama team, that I haven’t tracked down yet, as this article talks about it in the future tense.

Hope that helps. Absurdum4242 (talk) 04:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tarnobrzeg Municipal Stadium

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Creator claims such small stadiums are inherently notable; I don't think that's true at all. Article was moved back into draft space by User:Mccapra, and creator moved it back to main space twice. Their argument? "The subject is encyclopedic, the article is well-sourced, and there is nothing in it beyond what is present in the Polish-language article." But the first thing is untrue and certainly questionable, the second is ridiculous (the link is to a user-generated database of stadiums), and the first is irrelevant on the English wiki. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am in favor of keeping the article. Tarnobrzeg Municipal Stadium may not stand out significantly from other stadiums, but it represents a typical example of local sports infrastructure, much like other stadiums already included in the encyclopedia. To provide context, I reviewed two randomly selected stadiums—Stjörnuvöllur and Akranesvöllur—and found them similarly modest in scale. Deleting Tarnobrzeg Municipal Stadium based on the argument presented here could set a precedent for removing numerous comparable entries, which doesn’t align with our established approach to such topics. While I understand the concerns raised, I believe the article is well-sourced and falls within the scope of what we consider encyclopedic. Paradygmaty (talk) 15:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep stadiums are generally notable. The article only has one source, though, that doesn't help with GNG, so we have to do a source search, not a blanket AfD. And what we see is that the stadium has been covered in secondary sources: [17] [18] (looks like the same story) [19] [20] (about hooligans who vandalized it.) Now those may not be a clear GNG pass, but they are all from the past month. It should be relatively easy to write a decent little article about this. SportingFlyer T·C 16:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again we're missing the point here - since the article was sent to AfD, there's been some expansion with some sources which I think are fine (some don't count like transfermarkt), but more importantly there's at least one site - stadiony.pl - which includes news about the stadium back to 2009, and while some of it is self published others appear to be copies of articles published about the stadium. Polish football is generally well documented and a search of "Stadion Siarki Tarnobrzeg" brings up even more material which clearly clears GNG. There's news going back to 2013 for instance [21]. SportingFlyer T·C 07:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~*Delete~~ all sports stadiums are not notable, and small local stadiums generally aren’t. There is nothing architecturally, historically or culturally distinctive about this one as far as I can see. Most towns have a stadium like this, just like they have a police station and a post office. Mccapra (talk) 16:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The test isn't about whether they are "architecturally, historically or culturally distinctive." The test is whether they've been covered in secondary sources, and this one clearly has. SportingFlyer T·C 17:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with SportingFlyer – notability is based on coverage in reliable secondary sources, not just architectural or cultural significance. I’ve also expanded the article to provide more context, which supports its notability. Paradygmaty (talk) 17:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, or maybe better merge into Siarka Tarnobrzeg. Per WP:NSTADIUM, stadiums are not generally notable and has to meet WP:GNG criteria. WP:GNG says that "significant coverage is not a guarantee that a subject merits its own article". Currently used sources do not demonstrate notability, and the vandalism articles are not even "significant coverage". The vandalism is not a historical event and Wikipedia is not a newspaper to collect such events of local importance. So I suggest deleting this paragraph and moving the rest to the club as a section, which should satisfy everyone involved. FromCzech (talk) 10:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Siarka Tarnobrzeg as possible search term. Giant Snowman 10:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I maintain my stance for KEEP, especially since I have updated the article to include the fact that this stadium hosted Siarka Tarnobrzeg during their three seasons in the top Polish league. This clearly indicates that it is not just an insignificant stadium. Surely, we wouldn't delete the stadium of an Ekstraklasa club – following that logic, we should also consider removing Františka Kloze Stadium (in Czechia), which is also "just a building." I kindly ask you to reconsider your position. Paradygmaty (talk) 16:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as suggested above. Mccapra (talk) 06:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You cannot vote twice. Paradygmaty (talk) 07:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Alberto Ramírez

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Even when searching in conjunction with his former clubs, I was unable to obtain any significant coverage towards WP:SPORTBASIC. His career took place largely in the second tier of Mexico and was painfully brief. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Playing in lower clubs is still a weak claim to notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:32, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Fails WP:GNG -Samoht27 (talk) 17:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luis Cámara

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Cámara has/had a very brief career but my own searches failed to yield any significant coverage, so potentially fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per WP:CSD#A7, no credible claim to significance or notability. Geschichte (talk) 14:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - insufficient attempt to establish notability. Lack of significant coverage as noted by OP. C 679 15:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

José de Jesús López

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Despite a brief career in the second tier of Mexico, I can't find any evidence of significant coverage, even when searching in conjunction with the club that he played for. No evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:38, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Playing in lower clubs is still a weak claim to notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:38, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michal Kamenčík

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His playing career is/was mostly convinced to lower leagues and lasts/lasted a total of 920 minutes so far. I have searched his name in conjunction with *any club he has played for* and "site:.sk", but couldn't find any WP:SIRS. All I found are passing mentions in match reports (e.g. Sport Aktuality, SME, Teraz) and squad list U15 call-up as well as paywalled rumor. Not to be confused with the more notable Michael Krmenčík, who was also born in 1993 but has a different nationality. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:FOOTYN. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandar Mihaylov

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Mihailov played a mere few seconds in the league and 6 minutes in the cup prior to disappearing. The best sources found are Novsport, Varna 24 and Varna Utre, none of which are even close to showing WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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One appearance nearly a decade ago does not notability make. Delete. CoconutOctopus talk 13:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete per WP:CSD#A7, makes no credible claim to notability or significance. Geschichte (talk) 13:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not eligible for A7. Giant Snowman 08:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It should be post 2022. The link between being a substitute in 1-2 games and notability has been completely severed. Geschichte (talk) 10:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:51, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Just playing a few minutes is still a weak claim to notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:FOOTYN. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karen Madoyan

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Played 1 game in the league and 1 game in the cup prior to disappearing. The article also alleges that he played for Armenia U17 at some point. My own searches yielded Cherno More and Varna Utre, neither of which show enough depth for WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not notable. CoconutOctopus talk 13:28, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete per WP:CSD#A7, makes no credible claim to notability or significance. Geschichte (talk) 13:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:FOOTYN. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) broadcasters

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I'm not finding coverage of the broadcasters of this league as a grouping from secondary sources to meet the WP:NLIST. Let'srun (talk) 02:12, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per my comments at last AFD (which I started!). Giant Snowman 08:47, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Approximately 52 more sources (so it went from having 135 to now having 187 different references) have been added through the aid of the Google News Archive. BornonJune8 (talk 6:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Instead of deletion, why can't merging it with the Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) on television be considered as an alternative option to having an stand-alone article for the list of MISL broadcasters? The MISL on TV article though, only covers national broadcasters and not local like in the former. BornonJune8 (talk 10:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping to participants in Wikipedia: Articles for deletion/List of Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) broadcasters (not including those that have already participated above): Seany91, SportingFlyer, Davidstewartharvey, ChrisTheDude. Shazback (talk) 20:58, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Looking at the article's sources, they seem to be WP:ROUTINE mentions that something happened (e.g., YouTube videos which are just copies of the broadcast of a game, news articles reporting the match's results and participants), making this seem like citation overkill. What are the best sources which establish notability of this list as per WP:NLIST? In particular for the announcers. Shazback (talk) 21:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My quick assessment of the first 10 sources for information:

**Source assessment table: prepared by User:Shazback**
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
1984 MISL Championship Game 5 Baltimore Blast vs St. Louis Steamers June 8, 1984 on YouTube	~ Uploaded by the club	~ User-generated content / YouTube	Rebroadcast of a game / primary source	✘ No
Woolf, Lee (February 28, 1984). "Regional Stations Sack Usfl Opener. - Page 4". The Free Lance-Star. Retrieved November 17, 2024.			Routine. Full text of the mention: "Baltimore's WJZ will continue to show USFL games each Sunday through the playoffs with one exception, this Sunday afternoon when the football game will be pre-empted for a Baltimore Blast indoor soccer match."	✘ No
MISL Baltimore Blast @ New York Arrows March 27, 1981 on YouTube	~ Uploaded by the club	~ User-generated content / YouTube	Rebroadcast of a game / primary source	✘ No
"Observer-Reporter - Page 17". Observer-Reporter. May 24, 1984. Retrieved November 17, 2024.			Routine. Full text of the mention: "Along with Ruan on nationally televised game will be Al Trautwig, the Blast's play-by-play announcer on WJZ and also the former USA Cable Network play-by-play announcer on MISL broadcasts, and Kyle Rote Jr., an ex-Dallas Tornado player in the North American Soccer League."	✘ No
MISL Buffalo Stallions at St Louis Steamers 2-27-81 on YouTube	? Pseudonymous YouTube uploader	~ User-generated content / YouTube	Rebroadcast of a game / primary source	✘ No
MISL Philly Fever at Buffalo Stallions 12-26-81 on YouTube	? Wrong YouTube link?	? Wrong YouTube link?	Wrong YouTube link? Not relevant to the article	✘ No
"LANCERS MOURN THE PASSING OF LEGENDARY ANNOUNCER WAYNE FULLER". Rochester Lancers. 12 February 2018.	~ Club's website	~ Club's website, appears to be republishing a template biography (same text as next source)	No commentary on broadcasters / announcers as a set. Minor routine mention that Fuller announced games for the Lancers	✘ No
"A SOCCER VOICE IS SILENCED: Wayne Fuller, voice of original Lancers, passes away". Front Row Soccer. February 9, 2018.	Blog / personal website	~ Blog / personal website, appears to be republishing a template biography (same text as previous source)	No commentary on broadcasters / announcers as a set. Minor routine mention that Fuller announced games for the Lancers	✘ No
"March 1987 Sting "Bee Lines"" (PDF). Fun While It Lasted.	~ Club's magazine	~ Club's magazine	Non-searchable PDF, no page referenced - best I can find is the following on page 13, which appears fully routine. Full text: "Next Televised Game. Follow the Sting onSportsVision and WPWR-TV CH. 50 with Howard Balson and David Huson. Watch the Skint live from Minnesota, April 7, 7:30 p.m. on WPWR-TV CH. 50."	✘ No
"Movies Supplant Cable Sports. - Page 22". The Vindicator. July 11, 1986. Retrieved November 11, 2024.			Article that could be relevant in the main article (or MISL on TV) showing commentary that MISL was interesting for cable sports channels that were looking to fill air-time. However, only extremely routine mention of one broadcaster for one channel, not significant coverage of this article's topic.	✘ No
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Merge I think we've deleted broadcaster articles since the last AfD, there's a good merge target, and we could retain relevant information there. SportingFlyer T·C 22:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see if the proposed Merge target is Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) on television. It would be nice to see what Let'srun and Giant Snowman think about this suggestion.
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Merge to Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) on television per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 03:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elephant football

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Fails WP:GNG. No secondary sources that shows WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There appears to be some coverage of the topic of elephants playing football, e.g. Newsweek, Reuters, The Independent, AS, News9, as well as some books, e.g. [22] & [23]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Elephants are sadly abused in many ways, but the fact that this happens doesn't make it a specific notable topic. If anything there can be a sentence at Elephant polo saying they are forced to play other sports, but these sources don't justify an article here. Reywas92^Talk 21:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep or perhaps find a suitable WP:ATD such as a merge to Captive elephants. There is coverage on this (both as an event and people protesting it) in secondary sources: [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30] Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Captive elephants as above. Giant Snowman 08:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It makes no sense to redirect to captive elephants. If such logic is applied all sports involing animals will be affected. There is no harm in keeping and incubating the article. Such sports is basically for tourism activities rather than for hard core sport activity. Also as 4meter4 pointed out, there is WP:SIGCOV as well. nirmal (talk) 04:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KeepAs per 4meter4 and BeanieFan11 there is WP:SIGCOV for this.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per all of the sources, identified by 4meter4. The subject has enough wp:sigcov for a standalone. Kaizenify (talk) 09:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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PS Klabat Jaya Sakti

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Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of secondary coverage that shows WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I do see Indonesian articles such as [31] [32] [33] which demonstrate the club is covered in the media on a consistent basis, but I'm struggling with the language barrier. SportingFlyer T·C 18:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which (appear to) show notability. Giant Snowman 08:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sources in the article and this AfD only cover the game results, not the subject itself. As a team playing in the lowest division of football in Indonesia, its notability is limited to its region and it's relatively unknown on a national level. IMO, it doesn't meet the GNG. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that according to WP:SPORTCRIT; Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage. None of sources in the article and this AfD provide reports beyond routine coverage, such as information about the team itself. Ckfasdf (talk) 10:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The sources presented are sufficient for WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources appear to meet the required standard of notability and provide credible and sufficient evidence Bernie Clay Bear (talk) 01:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:SPORTCRIT, "Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage." None of the sources above or in general provide significant coverage of the club itself beyond routine game coverage. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Those sources are, indeed, routine game coverage - and they're the best of what's out there, TBH. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only one of the sources cited in the article actually works, and it's WP:ROUTINE. Unfortunately, so are the other sources presented by SportingFlyer. There's not enough WP:SIGCOV to support an article at this time.--DesiMoore (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those aren't the only sources though - a WP:BEFORE search is tricky because there's a few names this club is called, but there's definitely consistent online coverage from at least 2022. SportingFlyer T·C 22:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Latham

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His soccer career was not notable at all, having only played 172 minutes in Revolution, as well as a friendly goal that can't be the basis of a Wikipedia article. I don't think the local news source cuts it GNG-wise, as it is an everyday piece of coverage with the majority being a Q&A interview. It would take much more making this meet WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Geschichte (talk) 07:50, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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'Redirect to All-time New England Revolution roster as possible search term. Giant Snowman 10:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 12:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kai Trump

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Previously deleted/redirected at AfD. Recreated by a new user and honestly the coverage doesn't look any better than it did at the first AfD, so I can't see it warranting a standalone article. Serious issues with WP:NOTINHERITED. Should be redirected back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (EDIT: I am also fine redirecting back to Family of Donald Trump) as per the consensus of the last AfD. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as done previously and lock it to prevent repeated disruption. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 19:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Restore redirect per last AfD. This shouldn't even go to AfD, it should be up to those few who think it should be a standalone article to demonstrate what has changed and why that would change the previous AfD consensus. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Meets WP:GNG with multiple references focusing on her:

These references have all been published after the last AfD, and/or were not in the article during the last AfD. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of this coverage suggests that she is notable separate from her relationship to the broader Trump family, and is pretty insubstantial. Per Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Invalid_criteria That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She is covered in-depth in multiple WP:RS that are independent of her, which satisfies the requirements in WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a silly post that could be made about any subject whatsoever.

None of the sources at the article Julius Caesar suggest that he is notable separate from his relationship to his broader military and political achievements -- do you here suggest a redirect to Roman Empire per WP:NOPAGE? jp×g 🗯️ 00:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but the valid reason would be that she has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. This is a point that is often misunderstood on Wikipedia, presumably because of WP:UPPERCASE shortcuts like WP:NOTINHERITED. If you actually read WP:NOTINHERITED, you'll see that it says Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG. What it actually means is that people are not automatically notable just because they're related to someone – they can still meet GNG, even if that is all they are "known" for. C F A 💬 00:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What has she done that is actually noteworthy? These articles are basically puff pieces. We know she plays golf and that she was invited to give a speech at an RNC convention where she says Donald Trump a normal grandfather and that she has no interest in pursuing politics. The social media stuff in the article is irrelevant puffery. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The social media stuff is obviously not independent of her. But the 5 references above (and there are more in the article, I just listed the top 5) are all in-depth (not a casual mention), independent of her, and independent of each other. That's all that is needed for WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what? This isn't a policy-based argument. jp×g 🗯️ 14:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom., Iggy pop goes the weasel, Traumnovelle, and WP:NOPAGE. Sal2100 (talk) 20:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets GNG. See my comment above. C F A 💬 00:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I do feel that those opting for redirect are really failing to see the huge differences between this AFD and the previous one in July.

1.Firstly, Trump has made a YouTube channel as of October that has already received 220,000 subscribers (and more than 50k of those in the last 24 hours), has a video with over 2 million views in two days which has significant political interest and coverage in major news outlets (and a second video with over a million views).

2. Kai Trump has more than a million followers on TikTok and 500,000 followers on Instagram, which has all changed since the last AfD where she had 100,000 followers on Instagram for example.

3. The election of 9 days ago also casts her in a different light- she is a content creator who will have significant proximity to an in-power president between the ages of 17-21, and already has a huge audience and is receiving notable coverage. Do you really think that Kai Trump is going to fade into obscurity and never again achieve notability? Deleting this article is only going to delay publication for six months or less, and she is already receiving 9,000 plus article visits per day (not that this means anything for notability purposes, but the article clearly has demand and she clearly has significant attention).

In my opinion, the previous AFD fell the right way because of the fact she was only notable for her RNC speech- by all accounts she is now achieving notability for other reasons at this point, and she will continue to do so. There are now [sources] claiming that she is Trump's most important social media ally, etc. I would expect coverage on this subject to increase dramatically in the coming months with the inauguration and as she produces more content. Let us compare with her uncle Barron Trump (as she has been compared with before), who has been deleted via AFD before: this would suggest that Barron has attained nowhere close to the notable achievements or coverage that Kai has now received, with no sections of independent notability as far as I can tell. Kai's article Passes WP:GNG. I edited her article extensively yesterday though, so I would expect some degree of bias from me in trying to keep the article retained.Spiralwidget (talk) 01:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a poorly-written article about a person whose accomplishments I find unimpressive. Sources obviously pass GNG. Is there a BLP issue, or some other urgent concern that makes GNG unsuitable here? Or is it just a politics thing? jp×g 🗯️ 02:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Not seeing any sources that are notable outside of Donald Trump, until she becomes notable by herself I can't vote keep. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump (1st choice) or back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (2nd choice). (I think the family article is better than the father's article for the same anti-patriarchal reasons I detailed in the first AFD and won't repeat here.)

In the first AFD, I thought the article subject was just shy of meeting WP:GNG, with borderline sigcov from WP:TIER3 sources like [34] [35] [36] [37], with the best source at the time IMO being ABC News, though even that one had little in-depth information about the subject, and was mostly about the RNC speech.

The 5 new sources posted above don't really move the needle for me. #1 WP:DAILYBEAST is yellow at RSP, and anyway it's an opinion piece. #2 I'm not sure that EssentiallySports is an RS. #3 is not technically not independent of the other ABC News article, and anyway is more about the subject's election night vlog than about the subject herself. #4 is a routine signing report which usually don't count as sigcov of an athlete, and #5 NYT is about the RNC speech, like the earlier ABC News article, not in depth of the subject herself. What's missing is like two solid biographies of the subject; then I'd be convinced that there is so much material about the subject that it should be on its own page.

But for now, I think everything that meets WP:DUE/WP:ASPECT in all of those sources that is actually about the subject is only enough to fill up a section in an article, e.g. Family of Donald Trump. Even if the subject meets GNG, for WP:PAGEDECIDE reasons (readers will understand the subject better in the context of her family rather than as a stand-alone article, particularly since most of her notability is derived from her family, with her golf career constituting a minority of the overall RS coverage), I think it's better to cover this topic as part of another article rather than as its own article.

Also, I note that the prior AFD resulted in consensus to redirect, and it was edit-warred back into an article, which led to this second AFD (1, 2, 3). A trout to those editors for editing against consensus. The new information should have been added to the target article, and if a stand-alone was sought, a split should have been proposed on the target article's talk page per WP:PROSPLIT. Levivich (talk) 07:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain the distinction between "significant coverage of something a person did" and "significant coverage of the person"? I am confused by this claim. jp×g 🗯️ 14:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, probably easiest to show you examples, all from the same RS:

The #1 stories have some biographical information about the subjects, but they're really focused on specific events/statements/actions/etc. #2 are actual full-length biographies of the subject. You see a lot of differences in these types of stories: #1 is focused on a particular time and place, #2 spans the subject's entire lifetime. #1 includes a lot of quotes from the subject (what the subject said about the event/action/whatever), whereas #2 has much more in the BBC's own voice. (You can scroll through and just see that #2 has fewer quotation marks than #1.) #1 is usually shorter than #2, sometimes by half.

For our purposes -- writing a stand-alone biography article about a subject -- we can kinda/sorta do it with RSes like #1's, but you really need #2's to cover the subject's whole life, as opposed to just some action/event that happened during their life.

For this article subject (Kai Trump), we only have #1's, no #2's. Levivich (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per above discussion. I’m against any minor child of a political person or celebrity having an article, even if they have spoken in public about their parent or grandparent. Only Matt Gaetz is interested. Bearian (talk) 04:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have two comments to make here on this AfD after already giving my "keep" opinion a little further up.

1. Firstly, I would be concerned that a merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump would destroy a lot of potentially important encyclopedic information in the article, such as Trump's RNC speech and her recent coverage of election night, as well as information about her name being related to her grandfather and such. The current Family of Donald Trump article has only a short section on grandchildren, and it would be difficult for me to see how a redirect/merge would fit in with the format of that article. I think that merging to "Donald Trump Jr." would be preferable, but the problem there is that Kai Trump does not actually have any significant activity directly related to her father; appearing at the RNC and her social media and golf activities all seem very unrelated to her father, especially considering the fact her parents are divorced and she actually lives with her mother. It also seems to perpetuate stereotypes relating to patriarchy to redirect to father. I therefore find a redirect or merge to be less than ideal in this circumstance.

2. Secondly, I have a real issue with Wikipedia attitudes as regards social media influencers and younger influential people as it stands. I distinctly remember having a similar argument about Niko Omilana when I first made that article. As a younger editor myself, I feel it is important to point out that these people are household names to a degree. People in my social group and my age range have almost all heard of people like Niko Omilana or Kai Trump, and she is seen from my perspective as more of an influencer with her own brand than a relative of Donald Trump- without a doubt her grandfather is a part of her brand, but it is honestly rather derisive of younger people to just expect that all of their life has a focus on their family She clearly receives significant independent coverage on her "social media brand", which I would characterise as "rich republican golf girl", such as [[38]] and [[39]]. Another example is Deji Olatunji, which currently redirects to KSI despite clearly passing GNG, partially because people underestimate the fame, influence and importance of these figures for a younger audience- again, these are the celebrities and personalities that are the most important and discussed among people below the age of 25, and they without a doubt pass GNG. I find it both patronising, astonishing and frustrating that such articles are routinely struck down by people that in my opinion have not got the finger on the pulse of the way fame and influence is being peddled, and Wikipedia itself is in danger of being left behind if it is not more forgiving to younger subjects. The information is clear, it is well-cited, and it receives coverage in multiple reliable independent sources, so what's the big fuss? The bottom line will be that when young people search online for their idols and role models and such, they will be looking at their instagram account rather than Wikipedia, and I think that is a crying shame.Spiralwidget (talk) 12:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you call "a crying shame," I call the entire point of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Fame and popularity are not sufficient for inclusion in the encyclopedia. It's not about her age, or profession (many influencers with huge followings are nevertheless not notable), it's about this: Wikipedia summarizes sources. For a Wikipedia biography article, the sources are other biographies. Wikipedia should never be the first place to publish someone's biography. So to vote keep on a biography, I'm looking for at least 2, preferably 3, totally independent (of each other and of the subject) full-length biographies. That's what gives us enough source material to write a Wikipedia biography article that meets NPOV. Kai Trump doesn't appear to have been the subject of any full biographies, much less two or three. (The RSes I've seen so far have some biographical information, but very little, and I wouldn't call any of them in-depth biographies.) As it so happens, there are many famous people who aren't the subject of biographies (athletes, influencers, famous people's kids); they don't qualify for Wikipedia articles IMO. And everything we have to say about Kai Trump--all the info in RSes that's WP:DUE or a significant WP:ASPECT--can be said in a paragraph or two that can be part of the family article (which could have multiple mini-biographies about various not-quite-notable members of the family). The RNC speech, for example, is one sentence, that says she gave a speech at the RNC. That's all there is to say about it. Levivich (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the family of Donald Trump. It doesn't need an independent article. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 05:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Notability is not inherited. This is, at best WP:TOOSOON. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per some of the keep discussion above. It clearly passes WP:GNG and this is way different from the previous deletion discussion in July with more references. Kaizenify (talk) 07:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. The new coverage is still entirely connected to her grandfather. Notability is not inherited. I don't doubt at some point this may change, but so far it hasn't. It's WP:TOOSOON for an independent article. FYI, telling us how many followers someone has on social media is a clear sign that someone is scraping desperately at the bottom of the non-notability barrel.4meter4 (talk) 02:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Likely TOOSOON. Playing golf isn't notable, there is coverage of a speech given, but being social media star in 2024 isn't notable alone. We've had a flood of coverage since the event, but nothing before. I'm not sure this person is notable for what they've done; outside of the Trump name, what have they done to be notable. She's a "potentially notable" influencer, so nothing notable at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 04:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: You see the name, you want to know who it is. It's as simple as that. Cyber rigger (talk) 08:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kim Mingyo

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No indication of notability for this athlete, other than amateur collegiate titles in a non-NCAA sport. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2025 in Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki

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Contested draftification. Not very well sourced, and a WP:BEFORE search returns little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I would probably draftify, since it's only two months away from the first event. Should be enough time to wait for more stuff about it until then. After or just before the first event it can probably be moved back to mainspace. Procyon117 (talk) 15:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Procyon117 For the record, I'm totally for this. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify is my vote also, there will be more content and references soonish. Ticelon (talk) 19:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Cane as a Weapon

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Neither the book nor the author appear notable. This is a book summary. ZimZalaBim ^talk 02:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I don't see anything immediately referencing this on Scholar or Newspapers, so this appears to be a factually correct nomination... but I wonder if we're missing something. This is clearly a real book, short though it may be, from 112 years ago. It's in the public domain. Why should we delete this solely on notability grounds? Jclemens (talk) 06:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess because merely existing, no matter for how long, doesn't satisfy WP:BK. I searched too, and didn't find any coverage of this. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 13:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Guidelines are there to help us write the best encyclopedia possible. They don't exist in a vacuum, and in large part they are designed to keep people with COI from misusing Wikipedia for (passive or active) self promotion. This is so old that isn't a consideration. Jclemens (talk) 06:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know. But just being old doesn't make this automatically notable. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 15:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And non-notable content may be kept in the encyclopedia on a case-by-case basis when exceptions are compelling. That's why it's a guideline, not a policy. Jclemens (talk) 19:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The main point of requiring topics to be notable, per WP:WHYN, is to ensure that editors create articles that comply with major content policies. More broadly, it's a form of quality control/way of maintaining encyclopedic standards. Can we create quality content that abides by our policies here? TompaDompa (talk) 20:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the improvements made to the article since nomination, it appears the answer is clearly yes. Jclemens (talk) 04:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I found a source in the NYT - I also found this book that mentions the author. If there are more like this, we could probably make this an article about Cunningham and have a section about the book. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This description of the book is kind of hilarious. It's a favorable advert, of course, but kind of tongue in cheek. With the other source I didn't realize that was put out by the American Society of Civil Engineers. Is that a society along the lines of the Royal Societies? Would membership in that count towards notability? ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The ASCE website says it has over 150,000 members so it doesn't appear very exclusive. I have no idea how impressive it was to be a member over 100 years ago. Papaursa (talk) 21:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was afraid that would be the case, but wanted to ask. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh. There was a very strong, promising start but I can't really find anything else. I get the feeling that there's probably more out there, just tucked away in various archives and not indexed in any substantial way on the internet. At the same time, I don't really have a ton of proof to back that up, other than the NYT source and a handful of other things, much of which are put out by organizations associated with Cunningham.

So unless someone can provide sourcing, I'm leaning towards a delete. I don't want to make an official judgement call on my end because I'm admittedly hoping someone will find something. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found a review of the book in the Saskatoon Daily Star, Feb 1913. Does that help? Toughpigs (talk) 17:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Every bit helps! I'd like a little more ideally before I'd be super comfortable arguing for a keep, but this is a good step in the right direction! ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Saskatoon + NYT are ok. I also found this from the Newark Advocate. The Army and Navy Register bit seems ok. Found an article on NewspaperArchive (NewspaperArchive is kind of annoying so they're hard to read but you can if you use the resource and zoom in), clipped here [40]. Could maybe be better focused as an article on the author, but no strong feelings. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Alisha Palmowski

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT as a driver who has only competed in entry level series (Ginetta Junior Championship and FIA Formula 4). Article is at best WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 02:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft. Palmowski, is a F1 Academy wildcard driver, and since all F1 Academy drivers have pages, why not her? She is also the runner-up of the 2024 GB4 Championship and can be considered as a future prospect for female racing drivers. At least draft the page BurningBlaze05 (talk) 05:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F1 Academy is an entry-level series, therefore its' competitors don't meet notability guidelines – WP:WHATABOUTISM is not an excuse. I have no issue with drafting, however "can be considered as a future prospect" is the definition of WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I know nothing about this content area, but here are the sources I could locate: [41], [42], [43], [44], [45], [46], [47], [48], [49], [50]. I don't know how to evaluate content in this area which seems hyper specific to motor sports so I will leave it to others to determine whether this meets WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:SIGCOV. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She seems to have enough coverage for WP:GNG - have added 3 new refs which are not simply database results listings. PamD 11:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have to agree with Pam. With the sources she added, and the ones I found I think WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:GNG are met.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: According to WP:N, she received significance coverage and pass WP:SIGCOV. Wyzoqaku (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- Notable sportswoman. Moondragon21 (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohawk Warrior

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This doesn't appear to meet WP:N, or have a suitable WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Other than warriors from the Mohawk nation, there is no coverage of a monster truck. Not sure how we're supposed to evaluate sources in the article when there are none... ah the wild west early days of wikipedia. Sources, we don't need no stinkin sources (google it kids, it's a good movie). Oaktree b (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: I see a bunch of potential sources...
Articles mentioning driver Bryce Kenny:1 2 3
Articles mentioning driver George Balhan: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
other small mentions: 1 2 3

NASCAR on Amazon Prime

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Total WP:ADMASQ. Since when is the station which covers NASCAR a notable intersection.? Fails WP:NOTTVGUIDE. Fails WP:GNG. All I can see is four paragraphs: Announced, Reported, Announced and Announced. The references are highly similar, PR churnalism. For me this was close to CSD G11, but, since it is a disputed draftification I feel it deserves discussion. YMMV 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per WP:ATD - meets WP:NFTV and WP:CRYSTAL as a confirmed future broadcast series. This broadcast series has reliable sourcing confirming its expecting occurrence (source 2, plus: The Athletic and Autoweek). Whether these sources are enough to meet GNG is another question. I'd have preferred the creator not have returned to mainspace from draftspace at this time to allow for better sourcing to be added to it, but citing WP:ADMASQ and contemplating WP:G11 is WP:TROUT-worthy. Returning to draft is the correct option. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 19:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GhostOfDanGurney you are welcome to trout me, but that will not alter my opinion. Your comment dances very close to ad hominem. I'm old and ugly enough not to let that trouble me, but it is worthy of mention. I'm looking forward to the fish. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My !vote was focused on refuting the central point, with a mention of Wikipedia's old silly fish at the end. Apologies for coming off as overly hostile. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 19:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I appreciate the levity and the apology, both. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not worthy of an article, fails on all of the points raised by the nominator. In looking for a potential redirect ATD, I see List of NASCAR broadcasters has been determined to be merged to NASCAR on television and radio, ~~which, admittedly, is titled exactly wrongly as the destination for a redirect, so alas, I don't have much to offer here other than delete unfortunately.~~ Expanded below. Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is Prime technically television? Would it be an appropriate merge location should a new section be created? I think there may be a possible merge solution if so. Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want to speak for the article creator, and I also am aware that I'm getting into WP:OTHERSTUFF here, but I don't doubtr that the idea of the article is to be akin to NASCAR on FOX, NASCAR on NBC, NASCAR on TNT, etc. Amazon won a portion of the NASCAR television broadcasting rights during the latest negotiations this year to air on Amazon Prime Video (along with the traditional TV networks I just mentioned).[51] ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 21:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wholeheartedly agree and would expect that in future discussions a merge decision here would not preclude a truly notable article from occupying the mainspace. I agree with the nominator, however, that this appears to be a lot of churnalism or reporting on routine coverage, as given by the links by @Esolo5002 below. But what I'm not seeing now is independent coverage removed from the subject. Bobby Cohn (talk) 01:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean keep. A television program of the highest league of a major American sport is almost always notable. Amazon announces a change in its broadcast booth, several reliable sources report on it [52], [53], [54]. I personally would not have moved this out of draftspace, and I'm not opposed to simply moving it back to draft. But this clearly will be notable and a straight deletion, merge or redirect is not something I would support. Esolo5002 (talk) 00:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As nominator I am not averse to draftification. WP:DRAFTOBJECT means it could not be returned to draft unilaterally, but requires consensus. Those suggesting this course may wish to consider whether the topic as presented is capable of improvement or whether WP:TNT should be applied, potentially by consensus of this discussion 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lukáš Šembera

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Non-notable sportsperson. The sources describe his accident, which left him paralyzed at the age of 16, and how he lives with the consequences, but do not document any achievements or any other reason for having an encyclopedia entry. FromCzech (talk) 13:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unreferenced BLP other than tables of statistics (WP:NOTDATABASE). Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. MSportWiki (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, there appears to be sources but many are in foreign language and failed to translate properly for assessment. Those familiar with the language may search for sources. Mekomo (talk) 14:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michal Šembera

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I did not find any good sources to verify that he meets the WP:GNG criteria. The only external link does not work. FromCzech (talk) 12:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unreferenced BLP other than tables of statistics (WP:NOTDATABASE). Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. MSportWiki (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brendon Cook

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Driver fails WP:NMOTORSPORT, having mainly contested low-level domestic championships (state Formula Ford, hillclimbing, national Production Cars) and not achieved notable success in international/higher-level series (British FFord, AUSCAR). Whilst the article appears to be well sourced on the surface, most of the sources direct to a websites' home page rather than an article – a quick internet search for "Brendon Cook racing driver" also brings up routine database sites and Wikipedia, therefore a lack of SIGCOV. Furthermore, I have reason to believe that User:Bjcook, the article creator, is the subject of the article and therefore in violation of WP:COI. MSportWiki (talk) 21:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It looks like you haven't read the whole article. You will see a search on "Brendon Cook racing driver" is pretty useless. In the references from other editors, you will see he has gone by the name of BJ Cook, Brendon & Brendan (I assume spelt incorrectly or reverts in spell check).

Looking at other interests, he played Rugby League internationals 1992 Pacific Cup and games in the New Zealand provincial rugby championship with Manawatu which included a game against the British & Irish Lions according the Its Rugby profile. He is also the son of a former NRL player.

In cricket he played one international game in the 2001 Pacifica Cup (date of birth the same in cricketarchive.com profile).

Perhaps the article needs a bit of re-wording to imply that his major achievements were not in motorsport. NigelPorter (talk) 00:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simply playing international rugby league and cricket matches for minnow teams doesn't meet notability requirements as there is no indication of success. Having kinship with a National Rugby League player is irrelevant as notability is not inherited. Combined with the lack of proper sourcing, it is a self-promotional piece at best. MSportWiki (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In your personal opinion. No body else has raised this since the article came about in 2006. If you have a personal agenda to delete this I'm not going to change your mind. Just by your name MSportWiki you consider yourself the oracle for Motorsport here. So who is anyone to question you. NigelPorter (talk) 03:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're being very presumptive with statements such as "Just by your name MSportWiki you consider yourself the oracle for Motorsport here", which isn't useful to the discussion. Do you have a COI with this article? MSportWiki (talk) 06:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no COI with the article. NigelPorter (talk) 05:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's focus on the article and its sourcing, not each other. The topic is whether or not we have sources that can establish this subject's notability. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think he used to go by BJ Cook when he raced. He also entered cars in the Production Car Championship with other drivers in them. He ran the Revolution Racegear store in Sydney for ages. So entrenched in the motorsport scene. But does that mean you need a wiki page? Probably need to re-configure article if going to keep.Greg Nail (talk) 22:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails notability guidelines, not to mention the WP:COI concerns of the author. Allan Nonymous (talk) 06:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Low level wins or competitions in minor races, I don't see notability. The first chunk of sources is simply race results,the rest are rugby match results. We'd need stories about this person, which I don't see... I don't find any articles about this person either, I'm not showing notability for our purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 01:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Falls WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Ampil ^{(Ταικ • Cοnτribυτιοns)} 09:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. I could find nothing in WP:RS.4meter4 (talk) 19:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sebastian Stahl

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Article is unsourced with the only external links leading to database-type webpages (WP:NOTDATABASE), only notability appears to be as a relation to the Schumacher family and not his own sporting achievements (therefore failing WP:NMOTORSPORT). MSportWiki (talk) 09:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The only coverage out there is of him not taking a doomed flight and every headline (I say 'every', there are like 2), is "Michael Schumacher's stepbrother flew on doomed Germanwings flight one day before crash". Altogether now, 'notability is not inherited' and there's absolutely no SIGCOV of him in his own right, thereby failing WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Why has the article average daily page views of over 300 (that's over 100 000 page views in the last 365 days) and why is the article available in 10 languages? That has to come from somewhere so maybe there's coverage we don't see? Currently I tend to vote delete but not with these questions in mind. Killarnee (talk) 10:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Killarnee: It's likely because he's a relative of Michael Schumacher, a high-profile racing driver. Looking through those other languages, the majority are completely unsourced - the Spanish article has the most sources, but it links the same routine database three times. MSportWiki (talk) 08:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. While that sounds plausible, I still find it strange that it’s possible to achieve such a resonance solely based on kinship. At least there’s no indication that anything new will emerge, as Stahl appears to have already been inactive for a long time. Killarnee (talk) 13:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rugby league

James Grehan (rugby league)

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Non-notable RL player. Fails WP:SPORTCRIT as there doesn't seem to be any coverage other than routine announcements and match reports. J Mo 101 (talk) 10:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. No significant coverage and a minor career. LibStar (talk) 22:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby union

Giacomo Milano

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WP:TOOSOON for an article on this young rugby player. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 07:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Morrinsville Sports

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Fails basic notability guidelines. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 19:04, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:ORGCRIT.4meter4 (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2025 Aryna Sabalenka tennis season

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Her season is still at least a few weeks away, and as of now, the article is very barebones with no real information or sources. Liam Korda 13:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify for now per WP:CRYSTALBALL, this tennis season is likely to be a notable one, but we can't possibly know for sure until the season actually begins. Iffy★Chat -- 14:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. Can be moved back to mainspace when first match ~~close to starting~~ underway. Procyon117 (talk) 16:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No proven evidence shown the notability of the topic. Pure WP:CRYSTALBALL stuff. Unnamelessness (talk) 11:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - as others have said, we need for the season to at least start before we can determine whether it's going to be notable. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ekaterina Ovcharenko

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Fails notability and significant coverage criteria. Tennis player who has never won a main draw title, never played in a Grand Slam tournament main draw, never been ranked in the top 250 in the world and no significant coverage of her is included in the sparse references. Shrug02 (talk) 12:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Withdrawn by nominator" See below for full reason but basically I'm tired of this and the Tennis Project people.Shrug02 (talk) 13:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - In tennis, the criterion is that a player must have competed in the main draw of one of the top professional tournaments (WTA Tour tournaments (WTA Finals, WTA 1000, WTA 250 or WTA 250 events)) and have won at least one championship. Winning a WTA Challenger level tournament or any of the ITF W50, W75, or W100 tournaments starting in 2023 ($50,000+ between 2008 and 2022, $25,000+ between 1978 and 2007) or any WTA 125K tournament. This rule applies to both singles and doubles players. Player!!! The player She won Open Andrézieux-Bouthéon 42 ITF W75 Tournaments. As a result, this player meets the criteria.User:Vecihi91 12:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you know all this then why don't you add the content and citations to prove it? Even if what you say is the case (and I have no reason to say it isn't), then at the moment the article still lacks significant coverage references. Shrug02 (talk) 10:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails to meet WP:SIGCOV. SlowpokesB (talk) 16:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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~~Delete~~. Subject clearly fails WP:GNG. Is she saved by WP:NTENNIS? Let's see:

1. She is not a member of the International Tennis Hall of Fame. 2. She has not won even one title in any of the ATP Challenger tournaments. 3. She has not won at least one title in any of the ITF Women's $40,000–$100,000+ tournaments, or any of the WTA 125 tournaments. And 4. She does not hold a tennis record recognized by the International Tennis Federation, ATP, or WTA.

Hence, not Wikinotable. For a compendium of tennis players I look elsewhere because Wikipedia is not a directory of tennis players. -The Gnome (talk) 13:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As has been pointed out earlier, her title at the Open Andrézieux-Bouthéon 42 is of a high enough level to meet NTENNIS. Has anyone here looked for Russian language sources which could meet GNG? Iffy★Chat -- 11:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The previous link to the Open Andrézieux-Bouthéon is dead. (It's actually the 75, but it's not important.) I found a source that shows she has indeed won there, and placed it in the article, so the article qualifies. Changing my suggestion to Keep. -The Gnome (talk) 12:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reference you added is just a scorecard. That's not significant coverage. It's like saying every soccer player you can find listed as playing in a professional match is worth having their own page. Shrug02 (talk) 14:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The link takes us to a scorecard that testifies that she has won at least one title in any of the ITF Women's $40,000–$100,000+ tournaments, as denoted in WP:NTENNIS. -The Gnome (talk) 13:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete While Ovcharenko won 1 W75 doubles tournament, WP:NTENNIS is a part of the global sports notability guideline and its FAQ at Wikipedia:Notability (sports)/FAQ says: "The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline" (so what The Gnome said about GNG still initially still stands). WP:GNG requires multiple independent, significant coverage in reliable sources. I don't see that, either in my searches or the article here. Everything that comes up can be categorized either as passing mentions in the scope of something else or just routine match recaps (often getting hits on other people with the same name). Generally, it's very tough to get significant coverage based on just winning low-tier doubles tournaments in a sport that's predominantly popular in singles. As of right now, it's WP:TOOSOON. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the key point. Like so many of these tennis articles there is no SIGNIFICANT coverage so they fail to meet the overarching Wikipedia criteria. Just having a scorecard saying someone called J Bloggs won a tournament that the Tennis Project deem noteworthy but the real world and even the WTA see as minor, does not meet the required standards. Shrug02 (talk) 15:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - failing GNG is far, far more important than passing NTENNIS by the skin of your teeth. Score summaries and database sources might well verify an NTENNIS pass but they have no value in a GNG conversation. Also note that WP:SPORTBASIC #5 clearly states Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Note the word 'must' is used here not 'should' or 'could do with'. Significant coverage is not a mere suggestion or an afterthought but an actual requirement of every sports biography article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:NTENNIS per above. WP:SNGs do not replace WP:GNG but GNG also also does not replace an SNG. They are two separate and both valid pathways to proving notability. The delete votes ignoring NTENNIS are simply wrong and boil down to WP:IDONTLIKEIT votes. We don't ignore WP:NTENNIS just because you don't like it.4meter4 (talk) 17:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at this article it fails WP:SPORTBASIC as it has only 3 references all of which fall into the category of trivial coverage. This is nothing to do with "I don't like it", it's to do with following the guidelines. Shrug02 (talk) 18:40, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and WP:SPORTSBASIC is only one portion of WP:NSPORT. Someone passing a specific criteria at WP:NTENNIS doesn't have to meet WP:SPORTSBASIC as well. That's not how our SNG guidelines work. At the 2022 RFC on sports we weeded out a lot of the poorly written criteria in the individual sports SNGs; what little is left is still applicable and each guidline is not dependent on the others. If one pathway is met, its met.4meter4 (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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4meter4, WP:NSPORT's FAQ (which WP:NTENNIS is under) that I linked to in my vote is pretty clear. NTENNIS is there "only to stop an article from being quickly deleted when there is very strong reason to believe that significant, independent, non-routine, non-promotional secondary coverage from multiple reliable sources is available, given sufficient time to locate it. Wikipedia's standard for including an article about a given person is not based on whether or not they have attained certain achievements, but on whether or not the person has received appropriate coverage in reliable sources, in accordance with the general notability guideline." Thus, the subject must pass WP:GNG under NSPORT guidelines, which is not the case here - despite searching in-depth about Ekaterina Ovcharenko, where nothing changed weeks after this AfD started. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 21:14, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense. You are totally misinterpreting that bolded paragraph which states “they are intended to stop quick deletions” in a good faith belief that sources can be found in time. That’s exactly what I am arguing. I believe the sources exist but they are in Russian and likely behind pay walls. Why have NTENNIS at all if everything just goes back to SPORTSBASIC which is essentially a regurgitation of GNG? We should just delete NSPORT all together if that is the attitude. And truncate WP:N to a single paragraph. We have SNGs for a reason.4meter4 (talk) 22:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But it's not a "nonsense", I'm exactly offering you what it says - and you are ignoring the "Wikipedia's standard for including an article about a given person is not based on whether or not they have attained certain achievements, but on whether or not the person has received appropriate coverage in reliable sources, in accordance with the general notability guideline" part. NSPORT itself is a guideline that shows what is likely to have significant coverage and pass GNG. It's not supposed to be a workaround when GNG isn't met - never was. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I tried looking for stuff to add to this article but can't find anything I'd say was significant in the dictionary definition of significant. Lookslikely (talk) 11:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems keeping this article is so important to the Tennis Project that they (in the form of @Adamtt9) are now seeking to have me banned from Wikipedia. I joined Wikipedia to occupy my mind and hopefully make a positive contribution, which I thought I was doing. Anyone can check my edit history and hopefully see I have improved many articles in the area of tennis and many other subjects. Frankly I'm tired of this whole business which is damaging my already poor mental health. ~~For this reason I withdraw my nomination of this article for deletion~~ in the hope that I will be left alone to continue my hobby in peace. Shrug02 (talk) 10:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shrug02 There is no need (nor you can, as per the rules it only happens if it's an obvious keep situation) to withdraw the nomination that's valid and, in my opinion, has the consensus. Don't let that sock investigation deter you from things in Wiki - not to mention it was quickly dismissed. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 20:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jovanmilic97 I wasn't aware I couldn't withdraw but now you have informed me I've now crossed that out. Thanks for your encouragement to not be deterred. I appreciate it. As for having the consensus to delete, I would agree with your assessment but obviously that is not my call. I honestly just hope a decision is made and no more relisting and, most importantly, that I am not made the subject of any further negativity. Best wishes. Shrug02 (talk) 21:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hiding content irrelevant to this AfD

Shrug02, this is serious accusation. Irrespective of this AfD's denouement, could you please present evidence supporting it? And know that, if the accusation, is true, (a) you will not be alone in fighting it, and (b) the miscreants could be struck by a heavy flying object. -The Gnome (talk) 12:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The Gnome The only evidence I have is that @Adamtt9 instigated a Sock Puppet Investigation into me yesterday. Shrug02 (talk) 12:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a perfectly legitimate action. If you are not a sock, there is nothing detrimental to your presence here from such an investigation. -The Gnome (talk) 12:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@The Gnome I didn't even know what a sock puppet was (other than the ones you put on your hand) until I Googled it yesterday. I'm just not into all this nonsense. And no I'm not a Sock. Shrug02 (talk) 13:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@The Gnome Oh and by the way the investigation has been closed but no doubt they'll try something else next. Shrug02 (talk) 13:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adamtt9, what is going on? -The Gnome (talk) 12:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The SPI (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Shrug02) was closed with no action taken a few hours after it was opened. Iffy★Chat -- 13:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iffy I saw that. I just feel harassed by all this and as I said I have poor mental health anyway and don't want any extra stress and hassle. Shrug02 (talk) 13:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can only humbly recommend that you walk away from this AfD and ignore the whole episode. An investigation about potential sockpuppetry is not "harassment". If you feel uncomfortable you might want to take a break from editing; though, there is certainly no need to abandon the project. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 16:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wrestling

Sara Calaway

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before search doesn't bring up much. Most searches mention her in articles only as the ex-wife of The Undertaker. Should probably be either deleted or merged to The Undertaker's page. Was also merged in 2007 after a discussion. SPF121188 ^{(talk this way)} ^{(my edits)} 17:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Wrestling. CptViraj (talk) 17:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete The article uses unreliable sources, except for TheHistoryOfWWF which just hosts recaps of TV shows. Besides being Mark Calaway's ex-wife, she did make a handful of onscreen appearances with him during The Invasion storyline. It was a relatively minor role in the scheme of things, if they could not find sufficient sources in 2007 then I do not think we will have any better luck this time. Her connection to The Undertaker (onscreen and offscreen) doesn't make her notable, WP:NOTINHERITED.LM2000 (talk) 20:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this borders on BLP1E; she was involved in one WWE storyline because of her husband, but is otherwise low-profile and not the subject of substantial coverage. I have no opinion on a redirect to The Undertaker. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of world champions in NJPW born outside Japan

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No evidence that this grouping of characteristics meets WP:LISTN and has received significant attention as a group. Fram (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Looking at the article, I find it relevant to the reader. Additional references will need to be added. ChuyCastañeda (talk) 03:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NJPW female wrestlers born outside Japan

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No evidence that this meets WP:LISTN, a trivial grouping of characteristics Fram (talk) 08:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Since this is a list of 48 female wrestlers, I think it would be best to change the alphabetical format of the list to a table, and also add additional sources. Maybe when there are 90 or 100, the alphabetical format would make sense. Nikotaku (talk) 09:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, seems to be a very arbitrary set of criteria. Not sure why this exists. — Czello ^(music) 09:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Does not pass WP:NLIST. It is just another WP:FAN article/list. --Mann Mann (talk) 16:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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