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Abbreviations in names

Hello! I regularly patrol new articles and I think this Wikiproject may be able to answer a question for me.

When patrolling new articles, I sometimes come across articles for doctors whom obtained their education in India. Of that group, I regularly find that the title of the article is something like "Dr. <letter> <Name>". Obviously, per WP:MOS, the honorific is removed but I'm never sure what to do with that single letter. Because I only speak English, I've always assume that it's an abbreviate for their first name but I realize that my assumption may be completely incorrect.

At any rate, it often makes it next to impossible to find references to try and establish notability. If there's some piece of the puzzle that I'm missing that will help me find references, I'd love to know. I found Indian_name#Malayali_.28Kerala.29_names and the few sections below it that describe how abbreviates are sometimes used but I'm not sure if that's really answering my question.

If someone could explain the abbreviations to me, with the goal of being able to find more references, I would be grateful. You can reply here or on my talk page. Thanks! OlYeller21^Talktome 17:02, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Your first port of call should probably be WP:NCIN because "Smt", "Shri", "Swami" etc are common issues also. As far as first names go, it does seem to be a more prevalent usage than in, say, Europe, Oz, the US or Canada and, yes, it can cause problems - searching for a Singh, for example, can be bloody hard work. Tbh, if there are no sources provided when you review the article then I'd just stick a PROD or BLPPROD on it ... and if there are sources then I really, really would suggest that you try to do a copyvio check if you have the time and inclination. - Sitush (talk) 18:54, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointers. I'll definitely check that out.

I check almost every article for copyright violations but I really make sure I check on such articles. I've never figured out why and sort of actively try not to figure out why such articles so regularly have a copyright violation. The rate seems much higher than normal. The case that motivated me to learn more about naming conventions ended up being a copyvio as well.

I appreciate your help. I'll check out WP:NCIN to learn more about naming conventions. Thanks again. OlYeller21^Talktome 21:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Single letter usually is an initial of one of - hometown, ancestral village, father's name - in most cases. It is usually not a title. It is usually integral part of the person's common name (name the person is referred as in most references with the initial). Good examples are M. Balamuralikrishna (M stands for Mangalampalli, a town/village) and P. Chidambaram (P stands for patronymic Palaniappan). VasuVR (talk, contribs) 08:57, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Baldev Singh Sarhaknama

I rescued the article Baldev Singh Sarhaknama that another editor had tagged for speedy deletion. It would be helpful if an editor familiar with Punjabi literature could expand the article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Expanded some. Singh has published many novels and hence has good scope of further expansion too. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:40, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Kailash roy Saraswati vidya Mandir,Jhumri Telaiya

Is there such a school? Because as someone else also noted at Talk:Kailash roy Saraswati vidya Mandir,Jhumri Telaiya, it copies material from "DAV Public School, Hehal#Overview, with names etc changed in order to create a new page. Dougweller (talk) 18:20, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I guess the school's name is "Kailash Rai Saraswati Vidya Mandir" and not "Roy". That has many google hits; though nothing in RSes. Only one (https://www.google.com.sg/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=27&cad=rja&ved=0CEsQFjAGOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbse.nic.in%2Fsports2007%2FCluster%252002.doc&ei=6DWxUvubCceOrQe3_IHAAg&usg=AFQjCNFhoh_J6nTbXzsC-SriG0mfw8lwHQ&bvm=bv.58187178,d.bmk) CBSE published list (.doc file) proves its affiliation with CBSE board and its address. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:51, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Narayan Sai and Asaram Bapu

These two (son and father respectively) have been arrested for rape around the same time. There is a dispute at Narayan Sai, one editor is refusing to allow mention that Asaram Bapu was arrested for rape in the Narayan Sai article. Claims it is "coatracking" and part of a "campaign". Can someone(s) look into this and help resolve? The edit under dispute is this one. Discussion at Talk:Narayan_Sai. Thanks for any help. -- GreenC 17:38, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Support inclusion Have been following this dispute @ the article for a bit, and my thoughts are that this doesn't, imo, meet the standard of a coatrack in terms of "the nominal subject gets hidden behind the sheer volume of the bias subject". Father and son are related in their position as preachers and gurus, positions of implicit trust & power, which makes the fact they are concurrently each under the same serious cloud of accusation something notable and worthy of inclusion. Boogerpatrol (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- yes, it is WP:COATRACK, there is no "rapist gene" that is passed down from fathers to sons or vice versa, there is no "rapist by association" . In addition it violates WP:BLPCRIME in spreading content that is merely accusations across multiple articles. For shame. Wikipedia is not here to carry out your campaign to disgrace a living person. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:05, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
  - All we are trying to do is report what the reliable sources say about this individual, which is being reported widely in the press, dozens of editors (mostly IPs) have contributed to this. The only "campaign" here is your continued attempt to attack specific editors for having some sort of agenda. An ugly accusation that needs to stop, see WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. -- GreenC 16:54, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bawana Gujjar

Hello, India experts! Is the above village the same as Bawana, or is this a different place? If it's different, should the article be saved from being deleted as a stale draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:04, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

India Against Corruption

Apparently, I'm both wrong and offensive to a small group of people in India. Regulars will know that this is a failing of mine that is rehashed at least once a week at various talk pages. It may be true, so comments would be appreciated at Talk:India Against Corruption. Or at ANI if there really is some substance to the alleged behavioural problems. - Sitush (talk) 17:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Please discuss Sitush's behaviour here (or anywhere else) except at Talk:India Against Corruption. Thanks. 2A00:2381:72D:0:4A3:1DE0:D01E:5C76 (talk) 18:03, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

If you think that my behaviour is problematic then take it to WP:ANI. If your concern regards article content etc then discuss it at the article talk page. I never asked people to discuss matters here & indeed they should not be. - Sitush (talk) 18:13, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

IAC's concern is only with article content. You are irrelevant to us. 2A00:2381:72D:0:4A3:1DE0:D01E:5C76 (talk) 19:25, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Two Tamil-related articles of dubious merit

Is the subject matter covered by Tamil American and Tamil Australian really notable in its own right? I know that they form a part of the diaspora but this looks like it might be based on flimsy sourcing and be basically another coatrack/POV fork. - Sitush (talk) 20:42, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion, they have to be removed. Neither of these countries (United States & Australia) have used these terminologies for "census, immigration & other govt" purposes nor have their media used them in their articles & reports. These people have always been called/listed/reported as "Indian American/Australian" or "Sri Lankan American/Australian" based on their country of origin. The sources cited in these articles "have not mentioned them as official terms", but they simply contain some statistical data regarding the number of tamil speakers. I'm sure this factor doesn't qualify for the creation of these articles in wikipedia. I haven't seen a "Gujarati/Malayali/Sindhi American" wiki article and i wonder what's the need for editors to create such pages. We can't allow these frenzied creations/edits of some lingo fanatics. Additionally, Kannada American and Bengali American wiki pages qualify for deletion under the same category. Thank you. Hari7478 (talk) 20:51, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Help with an article?

Hey guys, I'm back to ask for some more help. The article in question is Nandhi (film) and it's currently up for deletion. It has some pretty well known actors in the movie and it won an award, so I feel that there should be more sources out there. I can't find much, which might be because there are some different spellings out there for the title. Can anyone search to see if there are any sources out there in any of the different languages? I'm not finding much on my end. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:00, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Newly created category: Category:Bihar cadre civil servants

The newly-created category Category:Bihar cadre civil servants needs some attention. Assuming it is to be kept, it should be better defined and better explained (for example, the term "cadre" should be explained). It needs to be categorized (as a guess, Category:Indian Administrative Service officers might be a parent, but I'm not 100% sure). It may need to be renamed. Contact the creator, Nehapant19 (talk · contribs), to see what his intent was for this category. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:35, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Territorial disputes of India and Nepal for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Territorial disputes of India and Nepal is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

Share your views, I think that this article is based on only one point, and it's the Kalapani, territory nothing else, certainly a whole new article for it, is not needed. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:26, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Added my thoughts on the matter at

the article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. - Ninney (talk) 14:56, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I have limited the page with the available sources now, only those information that have been discovered, still, won't be needing this page, can be merged to the page i suggested before. Hoping for more opinions. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Yoga

Some intervention on Yoga would be welcome. See also Talk:Gautama Buddha#"Royal Hindu Familiy" & unreliable source and Talk:Yoga#Vivekananda & Early Buddhist Texts. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:50, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Scheduled Caste and Dalit

Are people who are defined as members of a Scheduled Caste by definition Dalit people? The former is a legal definition and the latter is a relatively loose term. - Sitush (talk) 10:33, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Reliability of Devdutt Pattanaik

The reliability of Devdutt Pattanaik is discussed at Talk:Ashokasundari. Please share your thoughts. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 02:45, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Ancient India and Afghanistan

Afghanistan has been removed from this article. That may well be correct, but I'm finding it hard to find sources that define Ancient India, can someone help with that? Dougweller (talk) 06:35, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Isn't "Ancient India" a fuzzy phrase? I'll continue at Talk:Ancient India#Definition of "Ancient India". Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:48, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Merge with History of India; this page is overdone. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:19, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok, figured it out. In September a now blocked sock, Radharani11 (talk · contribs) turned the outline[1] into a redirect to this page and added an introduction.[2]. I suggest we undo the sock's work and restore the bare bones outline. Dougweller (talk) 12:01, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

In reply to Joshua Jonathan The better name for this page is probably Ancient India. There are far more incoming links to that page name than to Outline of Ancient India. See https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Outline+of+ancient+India&namespace=0 for details. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:13, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I've redirected Ancient India to Outline of Ancient India. "Ancient India" proper is covered by History of India, but "Outline of Ancient India" also contains links to other, reletad articles, which is quite useful. And I see only one (1) incoming link to "Ancient India".Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:43, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

whats the difference between Rangoli and kolam?

whats the difference between Rangoli and kolam? the Rangoli article says kolam is another name for rangoli, but we have a separate article for each. Does the Rangoli article need to be clarified to identify the distinctions or do the articles need to be merged? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:29, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Traditionally, Kolam would be something drawn with rice power mixed in water (thus forming paste). The same was popular in southern India and the word Kolam also is used in those parts only. Rangoli has been a dry powder, made of rice or stones or such. In modern practice, powder that is easily available has been used in all regions rather than the paste form. However, the power form has also been called & recognized as kolam in south. Basically its some design that is drawn in courtyard or other places on festivities. Modern artworks have also been using flowers, kundans and other materials and have also evolved to create portraits or other such complex drawings rather than just geometric designs. Along with change in mediums, the surfaces has changed from solid ones to water as well.
I would support merging Kolam into Rangoli. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:50, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Paste based design
Powder based geometric design
Powder based complex drawing
Floral rangoli
Floral rangoli on water
Powder rangoli on water

Articles on books

I notice that if a book has at least two "book reviews" in an academic database, it's eligible for a Wikipedia article. Having articles on books really helps Wikipedians use it better since the reviews say a lot about the books themselves. I've started some articles pn China-related like Sunflower Splendor, Born Red, Deng Xiaoping and the Making of Modern China, and De l'un au multiple. It can be helpful with Indian ones too.

Step 1: Search for "book reviews" on a university database (University of Houston Library is still open for searching) - Type in the name of the book and then filter results by "book review".
Step 2: Go to Wikipedia:RX and request the articles
Step 3: Have fun writing the article!

You can add additional notes in the talk pages about issues raised in the book reviews.

If someone wants to try some, I found:

Anita Desai. Where shall We go this Summer? Delhi. Vikas. 1975. viii -f- 114 pages. 15 Rs

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 10:05, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Related issue in Human sacrifice

Here at Human sacrifice, a user called "maunus" is trying hard to assert that "Thuggee" is a part of Human sacrifice, yet the given sources are either dead links or doesn't mentions at all. More can be read here at Talk:Human_sacrifice#Why_i_removed_Sati_and_Thugee, also one more i found to be misleading, is that "Deori community", who just animal sacrificed, not human sacrificed. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:12, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Possibly unfree image

Resolved

I'm pretty sure that File:PCReddyPBHariPrasad.jpg is a previously published photo. The claim is that it was taken on 26 December 2013 but the EXIF data is almost non-existent and the one bit of info that is there notes that the image is at 72 dpi resolution, which is a web standard. I've struggling to locate a possible earlier use - has anyone else seen it in a newspaper or online? - Sitush (talk) 14:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Similar but different image here. You may take it to deletion and request for more evidence of the claim of "own work"; which am sure won't be available and the image will be deleted by the process. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 17:16, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I found the image at http://www.newswala.com/Hyderabad-News/ESL-Narasimhan-along-with-a-Delegation-of-Apollo-Kamineni-Hospitals-present-a-book-to-Pranab-Mukherjee-53915.html and tagged it as "missing evidence of permission." Expect the issue to be resolved one way or the other in about a week. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

My thanks to both of you. - Sitush (talk) 20:19, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Google image-search-by URL with the URL of the actual .jpg in Wikipedia helped a lot. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:26, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Need approval for a page.

Like we have page for Ramakrishna as "Ramakrishna's influence", So I made Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Influence_and_legacy_of_Dayanand_Saraswati related to Dayanand Saraswati, let me have your opinion, and suggestion, if we can have such page. Bladesmulti (talk) 10:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Dayananda is a short article so the whole content can be integrated there. Why is a daughter article needed? --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:26, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, the current manner best suites his Wikiquote page under "Quotes about him" section. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 17:52, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Redtigerxyz, 12,000 Bytes, while Ramakrishna has 7,800 Bytes. User:Dharmadhyaksha, still about 5,000 bytes are summary. I agree though, it needs a lot more summary, will be starting by now. Bladesmulti (talk) 02:12, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Anyways, you both should have a look once again. Added like 4,000 Bytes more, and still doing. It's correct though that Dayanand's main article is quiet small(only 29,000 Bytes), i am enlarging it now. Bladesmulti (talk) 04:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Dharmadhyaksha. This article is a WP:QUOTEFARM. So many quotes are not needed and can be summarized to form a shorter section. About Ramakrishna (32KB readable prose), when the article became very long; the editors decided for WP:SUMMARY style. I don't Dayananda (13KB readable) has reached that size. See WP:SIZE. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:06, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Ramakrishna's influence is not 32k. It's 9k. Bladesmulti (talk) 05:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I am talking about the main article Ramakrishna.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:17, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Sure, thus i will be enlarging Dayanand's article for now. Should be above 50k anyway(right now 30k total). Bladesmulti (talk) 05:21, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Dayananda is just 13KB readable prose. We only consider readable prose to determine article size, which you are not doing it seems.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:27, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, i figured it out. Bladesmulti (talk) 05:42, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:List of Hindu festivals#2014 dates

Please see above. -- 签名 _sig at 09:54, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Bengali people

There is a content dispute in Bengali people article and it has been protected for 3 days.Can anyone look into it and resolve the issue before the protection expires.Thanks.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:51, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Sidebars and banned users

One of the socks related to banned user Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mrpontiac1 namely User:NextSaagar Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_55#Sidebars_and_User:NextSaagar had a history of 3 item sidebars for actors/filmographies/awards.

The same behaviors are now being done by @Dr. Shahid Alam:. Does anyone know if the rest of the editing patterns are similar enough to begin an SPI or is it just a coincidental habit? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:24, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

@TheRedPenOfDoom: I saw the page Priyanka Chopra and i found this side bar and i found this interesting and helpfull so i put it on Salman Khan page. I did it with a positive mind so please take it positively. I didn´t do it for creating a mess. I found it attractive and helpful. Dr. Shahid Alam(Talk to Me) 20:28, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I thought these side bars look beautiful and may be helpful for users. Just now i read the topic Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_55#Sidebars_and_User:NextSaagar when @TheRedPenOfDoom: kept it on my talk page and came to know what i did was wrong. So sorry for that and will not be repeated. Thanks Dr. Shahid Alam(Talk to Me) 20:40, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I have seen a lot of people commenting on Salman Khan, Shahrukh Khan and a lot of other actors and actresses pages that the would like to see their filmography. Concludiing from that i got the results that there are some users who do not know how to open pages about their films. Its obvious that exist people who do not have sufficient knowledge about navegation in wikipedia. U can do 2 things. Inserting ths filmograpghy and awards page in the main acrticle of the actor or if u can´t do so then u must pust a Side Bar which are very helpful. I don´t see any logic in banning users who put these bars on actors page making them more easy for others.

Ubhi

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ubhi. Dougweller (talk) 21:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Legitimate category? Category:List of Kapus

My spidey senses tell me this is not good? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:45, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_January_6#Category:List_of_Kapus. - Sitush (talk) 01:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission

Hello there! Could anyone with knowledge of the Indian Judicial System have a look at this submission? Thanks, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:50, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Indian actor WP:FRANKENSTEIN disambig issue raised at Teahouse; any experts?

A novice has posted to Teahouse their concerns that two separate Indian actors (Gaurav Bajaj and Gaurav S Bajaj) have been conflated into one article. If anyone is familiar with Indian cinema/television, could you take a squint at the thread: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#Gaurav_Bajaj_and_Gaurav_S_Bajaj. Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:20, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Various changes relating to tribes

Can anyone comment on these[3] edits? They seem to focus on Kuki/Zomi issues, with a category change I reverted that created a red link. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Sure, check, he's not providing sources, so left comment on the talk too. Bladesmulti (talk) 09:33, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Sati dispute

There is currently a content dispute at Talk:Sati (practice)#Lead that could use some input from knowledgeable editors if anyone here is interested. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:36, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Issue originally led by a Wikipedia:Single-purpose account, and later leading 2 users to conflict with the changes or repeating his version. I don't find any serious reason the three following statements that have been removed from the page. On lead they were:-

"Hindu texts forbid its practice in Kali yuga, the current age."[4], [5], [6]. "But the practice was revived most notably during the Muslim invasions of India."[7], [8], [9](cites multiple sources), [10]

And the next one on "Muslim period":-

During the Islamic conquest of Indian subcontinent, sati practice revived, as rapes and abductions were commonly carried out by the Islamic invaders.(As per sources above) - Other atrocities by Islamic invaders included the enslavement, Harem, etc."sati"

Article is related to similar subject, needs serious attention. OccultZone (talk) 15:49, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Commented, having watch too. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Category:Books about economy of india

Category:Books about economy of india; "india" should be India here.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 15:57, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Nominated for speedy rename. Would be done soon. Thanks! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 18:13, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

What's the new title now. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Its Category:Books about the economy of India. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 18:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Paid editing from India

Today's TOI has an article on paid editing happening from India on Wiki articles.

Soman, Sandhya (12 January 2014). "Wiki-paid-y a?". Times of India.

No specific articles have been mentioned, except Indian Institute of Planning and Management. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:36, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

The controversy about paid editing of IIPM article is not new at all.There were once news that some users were made legal and life threats for writing against IIPM. ƬheStrike Σagle ^sorties 06:45, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

This was posted on the India mailing list two years ago: Link. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Notability of Indian villages

Dear India experts: While reviewing submissions at Afc, I often come across unsourced articles about Indian villages, such as this one: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kesiapalli. Since Wikipedia considers villages to be notable with proof of existence, I try to add a couple of sources, but there are so many unreliable ones, and some of them try to add viruses to my computer. Can anyone suggest web sites that are reliable sources for basic information about villages? —Anne Delong (talk) 22:32, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Synposis of a recent discussion here and (IIRC) at a central forum such as VPP: we are actually trying to reduce the India/Pakistan village rubbish, not add to it. It the article is not sourced at AfC then bounce it back to the creator. It really is not your problem. Merely having an entry in the census or district lists (hint) has been deemed not to be sufficient and if this is all that can be found then it should be redirected to the district article. - Sitush (talk) 22:42, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

There is a long-standing consensus that all populated places are notable (see WP:GEOLAND). If it went to mainspace, it wouldn't be deleted, provided there was proof it existed. Hack (talk) 04:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't remember seeing what Sitush writes here as the conclusion of that discussion. There were many editors opining of this sort, but that RfC/whatever did not conclude on this note. It was just the normal long fruitless discussion. Wasn't it so Sitush? Until anything such is actually drawn in black-n-white in a larger forum which doesn't distinguish South-Asian entities alone, WP:NPLACE's "Cities and villages are generally kept, regardless of size, as long as their existence is verified through a reliable source" remains valid. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:27, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

What I am saying is "don't waste your time trying to prove that it exists" because we already know that a lot of these supposed villages do not exist in official records. As for the long-standing notability point, yes, that is true and it is also bloody stupid. One day, it will collapse under the sheer weight on disgustingly poor Indo-Pak articles about supposed places. - Sitush (talk) 14:07, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

You can't ignore the rules just because you don't like them. If the place actually exists it's not hard to verify. Suggesting that good faith AFC contributors be turned away is pretty poor form. Hack (talk) 14:14, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not ignoring the rules and I'm not suggesting that people be turned away. Sheesh, can you read? - Sitush (talk) 15:25, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Okay, back to my original question, what's a good way to determine if the place does exist? I agree with Sitush that many of these articles aren't very encyclopedic (all of the villages appear to be "beautiful", for example), but providing that they are legitimate geographic places, they can be improved. Asking the original contributor to find a source may make them a better editor in the long run as long as it's done nicely. Sorry, I didn't know that I was reanimating an old controversy. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

its not really a "reanimating " anything - its just another appearance of a long festering issue that a centralized authoritarian decision making process and closed editing could pretty easily resolve, but the decentralized Wikipedia consensus decision making and open process of editing are poorly equipped to deal with. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:26, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

You can find a search form for census data here. If there is no result, the village is not significant enough to be counted in the census or the spelling is different. Hack (talk) 16:02, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

There is ambiguity in spelling/transliteration (even in government records) too, which creates impression that the localities are different. Also, most districts have more than one locality with same name which too creates confusion.

And so far too proove that place exists as a last resort we may turn to articles in local languages.

--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 16:12, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Sitush - if any new article, village or otherwise, is not properly referenced, should be put up for deletion. - Chandan Guha (talk) 16:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

It is possible to get down to block level using official sources, eg this. All this really demonstrates is how pathetic the assumed notability actually is. Over 1,000 Indian village articles were deleted some time ago in an admin nuking, even though some did have these basic sources. That nuking was mentioned at ANI and nobody disagreed with it. A bit of common sense needs to be applied, otherwise I might as well create an article for every single house in every single street in the UK because they're all listed in the census and they're all (at least theoretically, though some may be unoccupied at the time) places of human habitation.

We really do need to set a bar somewhere - I've just tidied up Alanallur-I, Alanallur-II and Alanallur-III as well as doing some moving around to resolve what is now Alanallur (gram panchayat) and Alanallur. I guess that perhaps a bar of 5000 population (being an Indian census analysis level) would make a huge difference, with any other villages being redirected to a list unless they have a sourced notable feature etc, but doubtless the inclusionists would shout at me. - Sitush (talk) 17:33, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I've always fancied tinkering with something along the lines of User:Sitush/sandbox2 (very rough draft). Note: the first village in that list at present has no sources and thus would be redirected to the list. It did have Wikimapia as a source but that is useless. - Sitush (talk) 16:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm still working on the snadbox I link above, fixing all sorts of other issues (including, sometimes, 2 or 3 duplicate articles) along the way. I'm coming to the conclusion that if a village is so small that it is not officially recognised as a census village then it should redirect to a state list of some sort unless there is compelling independent evidence of its notability. - Sitush (talk) 01:45, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I was of the opinion of the all minor settlements should be directed to a list article. That list would have all necessary info that the articles now have. With that thought i had also created List of towns and villages in Thane district and User:Dharmadhyaksha/List of towns and villages in Raigad district. But the problem is that this should happen formally on a large scale and it should be something that's not just for South-Asian settlements. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:49, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

My village Kadavoor is listed at http://ernakulam.nic.in/village.htm as Ernakulam is our district. I think a similar mechanism is available for all villages in India. J e e 10:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Most Indian villages can probably find a mention in either the website of the parent district, the Census website, OR thru Falling Rain. I guess one of these might help. Further, I can help, if needed to track down some stray link [reliable one] to back it up. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:08, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Cobrapost

How reliable is Cobrapost as a source for citations and references? It is currently in use. I have seen it in use on this article: Pradeep Gandhi. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:16, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I now see it is being used on Ramsevak Singh (Babuji) and Chandrapratap Singh as well; particularly one page called Operation Duryodhana. I have a feeling it will be seen in multiple places. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:19, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Dalmia Group needs a rewrite

Looking through Dalmia Group it looks like it needs a rewrite WhisperToMe (talk) 01:02, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Sankar (film director)

An editor has requested input at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sankar (film director) regading Sankar (film director) from this WikiProject. Please help if you can. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Help request

See User_talk:Prathamprakash29#GA_nominations. The user there has requested the help of a Wikipedian based in Allahabad. Thanks. --Jakob (talk) 16:48, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

On-going discussion on article Ahimsa

Hello everyone, I would like to invite you to join discussions on the talk page of this article. Please review this and express your views here. Thanks, Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 04:34, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Alleged heads of the Timurid Dynasty - BLP issues

We have Mirza Ghulam Moinuddin Muhammad Javaid Jah Bahadur also mentioned at Mughal emperors#Mughal Pretenders - no reliable sources, only an EL to the "Royal Ark".[11] Dougweller (talk) 10:38, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Crime in India

Crime in India--just noticed it, article is massive in size, forever swelling with constant drive-by additions...it's almost becoming an indiscriminate collection of incidents. Massive cleanup required and an article of such general importance needs to be in more watchlists. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:41, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Ugog Nizdast, I have just edited the article, it cited massive amount of unsourced, misleading, and most worrying of all, that it provided whole list of just every single criminal incident related to the noted section. Bladesmulti (talk) 10:04, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly, though I won't be able to edit it any time soon...I'll do what I can to prevent it from swelling further. There is a lot of be done in terms of cleaning up, trimming down and finally deciding what is important amongst all that. Nice work so far, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 11:17, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Maharaja Express

I noticed that the article Maharaja Express has been hijacked and is pointing heavily to one maharajas-express-india.com which belongs to a private tourism company. Can anybody help me clean it up? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:01, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I believe this is the official webpage that is operated by IRCTC. I could try to help you. I am new to this but I can fetch information and clean up the references by providing alternate sources from the official web page. Vignesh.Mukund (talk) 15:11, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Caste system of India

A user Jayarathina made excessive lead on this page. While no one seems to be agreeing with the edits he has made, he makes a very twisted conversation/debate on talk page, contrary to the rule WP:Notaforum.

Seems like WP:Ownership of articles to me, since he rejects the number of reliable sources, and keeps representing the one sided sources by disturbing the lead section. While he won't ever attribute any of the related content, for example, only because "caste" is basically based on heredity, he makes the claim that "Caste are not changeable", yet he won't cite the events where caste have been changed, evidently. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:45, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

From reading the Talk page, I would say the British and Western Scholars on India,strongly influenced the caste system as we know it today but they did not "create the caste system". Prior to the Western interest in India, the social ranking of Jatis was fluid.As far as being able to change ones Jati, apart from Vishwamitra, I do not know of any other instances when a person was able to do that. So to cut a long story short, while whole Jati changed their social ranking , individuals always remained part of the jati they were born into.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:50, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Jonathansammy, there have been saints who were previously shudra, as well as Kings. Evidently, there are sources, that British "Constructed"(different than invention) the caste system. And many of the castes such as "Criminal Caste", "Scheduled caste", etc were their own creation, as per sources. So even 1-2 weeks ago, the page seemed better than it is now. If you are further interested, you can also make your point on the talk page of the article, or edit the main page, the way you deem it to be legible. Bladesmulti (talk) 17:28, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Dharmachakra

A debate is going on whether the dharmachakra, a Buddhist symbol, has "Hindu origins":

"According to Xiaojing Yan, the dharmachakra is of Hindu origin.^[1]"

This is based on a note in an article on The confluence of East and West in Nestorian Arts in China:

"The Wheel of Dharma, or the Wheel of the Teaching, is the translation of the Sanskrit word "Dharma cakra" (dharma-chakra). It is a Buddhist emblem of Hindu origin."(Yan, p.386, note 14)

Given the fact that Buddhism originated around 500 BCE, and what we today call Hinduism emerged around the beginning of the CE (Hiltebeitel 2007) or the Gupta-era (Nath 2001), I think this is an anachronistic use of the term "Hinduism", and sort of POV-pushing. Third opinions would be welcome.

References

Hiltebeitel, Alf (2007), Hinduism. In: Joseph Kitagawa, "The Religious Traditions of Asia: Religion, History, and Culture", Routledge
Nath, Vijay (2001), "From 'Brahmanism' to 'Hinduism': Negotiating the Myth of the Great Tradition", Social Scientist 2001, pp. 19-50
Yan, Xiaojing (2009), The confluence of East and West in Nestorian Arts in China. In: Dietmar W. Winkler, Li Tang (eds.), Hidden Treasures and Intercultural Encounters: Studies on East Syriac Christianity in China and Central Asia, LIT Verlag Münster

Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:58, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Since this request for comment was made without prior notification, I feel the need to provide more context and supplement what was said by the previous user.

1. The previous editor is incorrect in asserting that the hindu synthesis" is the traditional or controlling view today. In fact, it is frequently referred to as the oldest religion--pre-dating buddhism by a thousand years (The Buddha himself was born from the hindu kshatriya (princely) class). See here:

*Fowler, Jeaneane D. (1997), Hinduism: Beliefs and Practices, Sussex Academic Press

*Klostermaier, Klaus K. (2007), A Survey of Hinduism: Third Edition, SUNY Press

I should note Chatterji's credentials being the Director of the Archaeological and Research Department of Kashmir state and has previously authored a book on Kashmir Shaivism. See also page 3, where the Vedas are referred to as the manifestation of sanatana dharma (the hindu name for hinduism).

This makes the charge of anachronism invalid on its face. In fact, the traditional view has been that buddhism emerged after hinduism given that hinduism is presently dated to the vedic period circa 1800bce, and the earliest upanishads (other hindu texts) to around 1100bce and the epic age to 800bce).

2. He had previously accepted the hindu origin point with a new suggested text, but now insists on pov-pushing the wp: fringe view of an "indo-european" (aka european) origin of the dharmachakra associating it with Nordic goddesses. To compromise and end this tedious debate, I have merely asked that he deprioritize this (he insists on making it the first point in the origin section) and place it directly below as an alternate view. Here is his source:

Storl, Wolf-Dieter (2011), Shiva: The Wild God of Power and Ecstasy, Inner Traditions / Bear & Co. p. 56

3. All parties agree that the dharmachakra is a buddhist symbol (with quibbling about hindu and jain use)--editor JJ uses the wp:fringe argument that hinduism started in the 1st centuries CE--when the traditional view has been that it begins with the vedic period. He has even insisted on declassifying traditional hindu gods as such and reclassifying them as purely vedic (i.e. Vishnu).

We are at present time actually very close to polite consensus, so I am a bit confused as to why he decided to seek out comment at this stage. Alas, we are here--I hope we can continue to keep things civil. In any event, please take these additional facts into account if you decide to comment. Thank you. Regards, Devanampriya (talk) 12:46, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Altough you're right that we are being close to a polite concencus, I do take the freedom to comment on your response and your sources:

"Hindu synthesis" is the accepted scholarly point of view. What you describe is indeed the "traditional" view of Hinduism as understood by (some? all?) Hindus. We seem to agree that we disagree, precisely because of this difference in approach.

Fowler

Fowler states that het book is "a true introduction - the meeting of a subject for the first time." (p.xi)
p2/3: "...the religion is characterized by such a rich variety of ideas and practices resulting in what appears as a multiplicity of religions under that one term Hinduism. So Hinduism, as probably the oldest religion in the world, has added many strands to its overall character in thousands of years. Additionally, outside influences have been accommodated also: the Aryan migrations in the second century BCE left an indelible socio-religious character on what developed into the Hindu religion as we know it today. But indigenous beliefs and practices survived and, though they were not evident in the Aryan scriptures, surfaced on one way or another as time went by."

So, far from supporting your point of view, Fowler is closer to suporting the synthesis-point of view. Also, she calls Hinduism probably the oldest religion, without a clear explanation. But apparently, according to Fowler, it is not the oldest religion because of the Aryan elements, but because of older, indigenous elements.

Klostermaier has earned his academic credits, but his treatment of the "Beginnings of Hinduism" raise my doubts about these credits. The "Indigenous Aryan theory" is hardly taken serious by academics.

Chatterji, Wisdom of the Vedas, published by Quest Books, copyright by the Theosophical Publishing House, introduction by David Frawley (p.1-7) - this says it all. Sorry.

Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:18, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

The early church and the lutheranism are both still part of christianity. That hinduism has evolved over time, and has different schools/sects does not mean it is a separate religion either. Your view of buddhism pre-dating hinduism is not the scholarly consensus whatsoever and is the core of the neo-hinduism debate on the neo-vedanta article; you conceded that you didn't properly read the supporting citation (which I clearly mentioned in my edit summary).

Furthermore, considering your own advancement of Storl's nordic goddess theory of the dharmachakra (wp: fringe to the maximus), perhaps we should be wary of disparaging these scholars on the basis of the Indigenous Aryan theory--clearly a scholarly perspective that Exogenous Aryan scholars have felt the need to respond to and for which there is a significant stream of scholarship--I don't believe the same can be said for the "Nordic dharmachakra" which you had enthusiastically pushed, and now seem conveniently more circumspect about. Klostermaier is certainly no kook and has the credentials (which you yourself concede), and frawley's introduction where the debate of the last century is summarized--ending with his light mention out of India, is not cause to disparage that source is either. It is important to emphasize that this discussion isn't about the Aryan theory, but rather the age of hinduism and whether you can use it as grounds to contradict a scholar asserting that the dharmachakra is of hindu origin (she made no mention of the Aryan theory).

Also your Fowler characterization is neither here nor there--given that the central question is the age of hinduism. She does say "probably"--given the divergent streams of scholarship on the topic. But she still posits it as the oldest religion--not younger than buddhism as you would characterize it (which is the heart of the matter).

Further support for the world's oldest religion assertion. The editor was an American professor Religion affiliated with the Harvard Divinity School (where he was previously a student).

In any event, perhaps rather than a diversionary discussion here (and a game of battling sources), our petitioning editor can do us all a favor and respond to the proposal on the article talk, so that we can all move on. As he too conceded, despite our differences, we are close to a resolution, and I would hope that we can continue to keep things civil and put this issue to rest without wasting time of others. Best, Devanampriya (talk) 17:40, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Outdated (1953), and from an emeritus of Vivekananda College (Sarma; Morgan is the ditor). And no contextualization either. Providing snippets of outdated publications does not support your decontextualized quote. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:36, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Hardly. The source is well within the past century--moreover, it further emphasizes how your "neo-hinduism" theory that dates hinduism after buddhism is a new theory that is being vehemently contested contrary to your attempts to pass it off as controlling. And the long-standing view dates hinduism back to the Vedas--as you yourself demonstrated when you pointed out the date of this source.

Furthermore, you have been conducting original research on the dharmachakra article by using your views rather than a secondary source to directly contest the dharmachakra's hindu origin. Plenty of sourcing and information has been provided supporting hinduism's greater antiquity than buddhism--certainly of higher quality than your "nordic theory of the dharmachakra" that even you eventually and unilaterally deleted in embarrassment of the "theory's" credibility. In sum, it's clear you're down to WP:Original Research and WP: IDONTLIKEIT. It's unfortunate that you first agreed to accept the hindu origin text in the dharmachakra article, then changed your position on a whim, at the last minute, throwing a wrench into the almost-achieved consensus, and dragging it here. Too bad... Devanampriya (talk) 19:32, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Need some more help!

Hey guys- I keep running to you for help for anything India related because well, I know that you're all excellent when it comes to helping look for sources and interacting with other users. What I'm writing about today is the company XOLO and the user User:PrajayXG. He's a new user that's created an article for the company and he's running into some issues with tone, sourcing, and the like. There were initially some concerns over him being a representative for the company, but he seems to be just a young boy that's a big fan of the company, so any promotional intents are unintentional. He seems to really want to help, but he just needs a bit of a helping hand with explaining sources and whatnot. I'm helping and I've asked WP:TECHNOLOGY for help as well, but I thought it'd be good to ask here for help since there might be sources in one of the languages spoken in India. Plus this would make for a good opportunity to introduce him to this WP in the process. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:09, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

If he is a kid, he'll soon learn that we don't discriminate by age around here: We hold younger editors to the same standards and expectations as we hold adult editors to and we give them the same respect we would give an adult with a similar editing history. If an adult writes an article that isn't properly referenced and which isn't obviously notable, it will likely be tagged for deletion. The same goes if the editor is still in high school or even younger. In fact, unless an editor discloses his age, most readers won't be able to tell how old he actually is, but they may be able to guess how mature he is (there are adults who don't act like it, both on-Wiki and "in real life"). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Foreign language sources?

Hey, the article Mighty Raju is up for deletion. I'm not trying to canvass for votes or anything, just asking if anyone can see if there are any sources out there that aren't in English, or any sources I missed. This seems to be a rather large spinoff, so I feel that there should be more out there. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:35, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

AfD - Koroli hill station

Hello WikiProject India! I have nominated article Koroli for deletion because I don't see the notability of this hill station as having been properly established. I'd love to be wrong, so if anybody has any thoughts about this, please respond at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koroli and if you have any information on Koroli along the lines of significant coverage from reliable independent sources, your help would be appreciated. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:35, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Zou, Zo, Zomi, Kuki

We have Zomi people, which I've and other editors have made a redirect to Zou people (and is a terrible mess when not a redirect, we have a source that says "all of which are called [[Kuki people]].<ref name="bareh">{{cite book|last=Bareh|first=Hamlet|title=Encyclopaedia of North-East India: Manipu|year=2001|publisher=Mittal|isbn=978-81-7099-790-0|pages=260ff.|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=XScmdGvMf7IC&pg=PA260|accessdate=22 November 2010|chapter=Zou}}</ref> which gets removed. Various editors have tried to straighten this out and keep the articles table with no success. Dougweller (talk) 15:48, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Trying to centralise any response at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Burma (Myanmar)#Zou, Zo, Zomi Kuki where I've had a comment and have added posts from my talk page. Dougweller (talk) 11:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission

Could you please have a look at this submission? Thanks, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 23:27, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy Republic Day

--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:38, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Need opinion and verification

On Persecution of Hindus, somewhat a fabricated source has been promoted, and disturbing the scholarly accepted estimate with "disputed by historians, such as Simon Digby", obvious fabrication, and WP:OR. Have a look at both 2nd last(edit by me) and talk page. Similar misleading content is promoted on Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Here is Digby's piece (quite obviously not fabricated as drama-prone user above insists): Digby, Simon (1975). Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies. University of London. Vol. 38, No. 1. (1975), pp. 176–177. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StuffandTruth (talk • contribs) 14:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

No improvement to the page. Since you are using this source for the edit, which requires secondary sources, for Persecution of Hindus. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:13, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Bladesmulti, I have no idea what you mean. Why did you call this a fabricated source? How is it misleading in the Growth of Muslim Population article, where I've changed the edit about Elst as it needed to be sourced directly to him - what Gautier wrote wasn't a direct quote. Blockquotes should not be used for short excerpts, you need at least 40 words for one.MOS:Blockquote. StuffandTruth, discuss the edits, not the editor please. I see no OR or reason not to use Digby. Dougweller (talk) 15:51, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Issue at RSN right now. It is unclear whether the estimate is about Hindus or Digby is disputing or not. Bladesmulti (talk) 19:05, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study

Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 23:16, 26 January 2014 (UTC).

Baba Jai Lal Ji Ubhi

Could do with some informed opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baba Jai Lal Ji Ubhi. Ideally, I'd like to see the article improved as part of the process rather than after it. - Sitush (talk) 11:40, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Anantnag

The article needs good scrutiny for fact checking. Can someone do it please? I am finding that the claimed images of Anantnag are of actually different countries like Poland and Mongolia. This had once happened before too but i don't recall exactly when. But if the editors are so zealous to promote this page through such fraud, the text is not to be assumed in much good faith. The current deceitful images have been added by Kashmirproud. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 20:14, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Relevance of Samar in context of India

Talk:Samar#Requested move 2 - Androoox (talk) 00:08, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

University class editing India-related articles

Education_Program:Duquesne_University/UCOR_143_(Spring_2014) is a group of students that seem to be primarily concerned with India and Hinduism related articles. So far it looks like the sourcing is reasonable, but as with most new editors, the content and wording could probably use some additional tweaks. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 16:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Dr Naval Viyogi: Nagas the Ancient Rulers of India

This book is used in some article, is the author a reliable source? We also use at least one other book by him. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 13:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't know. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Good find. I'd say definitely not. No qualifications whatsover for this subject. And see [12] "According to the historical research presented in Dr. Naval Viyogi's book 'Nagas: the Ancient Rulers of India', these rulers belonged to a lineage of ruler-priests stemming from Sumeria, and who bequeathed an entire spiritual, scientific, agricultural, architectural and craft heritage, one that spread to Egypt, Greece and beyond from the Indus Valley civilisation, and found its reflection too in the Olmec, Toltec and Mayan cultures of Central and South America." Dougweller (talk) 12:56, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Isn't it marvellous?? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:22, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I've deleted this source before almost as a matter of routine. Useless. - Sitush (talk) 13:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I had no idea about the extent of its use:[13]. Needs a cleanup. Dougweller (talk) 14:07, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Scroll through the history of Karkotaka, and find out where Sitush and Sikh-history come in ;) Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:15, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: Can't find them editing that article. Dougweller (talk) 16:49, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, little riddle; the editor who added this received several questions and comments. By the way, have a look at the different tabs at this page; quite some variation. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:52, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Do these books exist?

Looking at Naga Rajputs (not the best article around, deleted one source that didn't mention the Naga) I found "According to a story in Matsya Puran, quoted in chapter X of a book India of the Dark Ages the Nagas ruled for 100 years as renegades". Also mention in Nagavanshi - again a bad article ~~(and I must check the footnotes written parentheses a sign of possible copyvio~~). I've removed it from that article but the article also mentions Lal Pradaman Singh: The history of Nagavansh - does this exist? Dougweller (talk) 13:31, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Someone created their own citation style, it was to Tribal roots of Hinduism, By Shiv Kumar Tiwari. Dougweller (talk) 13:40, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Google Books for India of the Dark Ages nagas renegades gives only Wikipedia. I know close to nothing about Nagas, but from what I understand about them they must have been an Indian tribe which became assimilated into the Buddhist-Brahmanical fold. "kshatriya (warrior) tribes" sounds like a contradiction in terminus: the varna-structure is Vedic-Brahmanical, not tribal; if the Nagas were Kshatriyas, then they were already incorporated. But that's my personal thought. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Tiwari, yes, that book definitely exists: S.K. Tiwari (2002), Tribal Roots of Hinduism, Sarup & Sons
Lal Pradaman Singh: The history of Nagavansh - apparently "Lal Pradumn Singh, Nagvash

Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:23, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. The Nagvash book is mentioned in what seems to be a self-published book, published by this company:[14]. That's the only mention of it that I can find, so not an RS. I don't guess you'd be interested in taking a look at the IP and account editing Yusufzai_(Pashtun_tribe) - if you do take a look, see my comments on the talk page and Talk:Sarbans. Hard to do anything about an editor who just ignores anyone else. Dougweller (talk) 13:55, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I did take a look, but I'm already consumed by mentoring Blades and keeping up with my fans, so I'm afraid I don't have the time and/or the nerve to dig deeper in these topics. Sorry... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:10, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I took a further look; great up-to-date sources! Is this worthy your time, or should you choose just to ignore it? How about adding a few "According to X (18xx-18xx)"? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:01, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Pedireddla

I tend to PROD these and usually it works. - Sitush (talk) 17:06, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Col Ved Prakash and the Encyclopaedia of North-East India

And Terrorism In India'S North-East A Gathering Storm? Are these sources we can use? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 14:53, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Re: ~~Prakash~~ the encyclopaedia - here on GBooks - it may depend on the purpose for which it is used. He might be ok for military stuff during his period of service but certainly not for anything else. The publisher is Atlantic, who tend to attract (or encourage?) these sort of pseudo-academics. Their general blurb rather confirms this approach, and their bio of Prakash is not encouraging. - Sitush (talk) 15:21, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

It appears as a reference here. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

There is a problem with his other work, cited as per Joshua J's link. It is a Gyan book and we simply do not use stuff published by them. I'm surprised to find it cited by any reputable institution but in any event it is little more than a namecheck to verify that someone is a member of a militant body. I've never seen Gyan stuff of the last decade or so cited by academics before! - Sitush (talk) 15:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I won't use it then - I wanted to use it for the Kuki–Paite Ethnic Clash 1997–98 (damn, I should have moved it to 'ethnic conflict I guess) but was suspicious. Dougweller (talk) 16:29, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Sammakka Saralamma Jatara

Hi,
I just had an issue with some of the phrasing on the page Sammakka Saralamma Jatara, but as somebody who knows almost nothing about Indian religious practices, I thought that I was hardly the best person to fix the article. Can somebody who is a bit more qualified please take a look at the article? Thanks!
Cogito-Ergo-Sum (14) (talk) 01:04, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Common name query

Which of Pothuluri Veerabrahmam and Potuluri Virabrahmendra Swami is the more common name? Or is there another that is more common still? Either way, I think we can drop the "Swami" bit. - Sitush (talk) 11:49, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Bhumihar

Resolved

A large swath of content was entered [15]. There appear to be footnotes to much of it, however, I am not familiar enough with the topic to know if the sources are valid and the content is being presented appropriately or with WP:UNDUE weight, so I am requesting some experienced eyes to take a look. Thanks! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Acharya Shri Chandanaji

Dear India experts: This old Afc submission is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable person, and should the article be saved? —Anne Delong (talk) 19:06, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

The person is notable and I think the article should be saved. --Rahul (talk) 12:47, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - its deletion has been postponed for six months to give someone time to work on it. —Anne Delong (talk) 13:37, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Are these articles about the same places?

Merge Kuvagam with Koovagam

This was suggested back in April 2013, but I just started talk page discussion. They seem to be the same place, but I am unsure which name is more appropriate. —PC -XT + 05:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. I failed to notice that these are obviously not the same place. —PC -XT + 08:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Merge Rania Town into Rania, Haryana

These also appear to be the same place. Discussion is started at Talk:Rania Town. —PC -XT + 07:34, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Merge Chittampara with Sri Siddhi Vinayakar Temple, Chittampara

Talk:Chittampara seems to be the village where the temple is located, and both articles need sources. —PC -XT + 04:53, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Sarojini Naidu

Due to the google doodle, this page is getting a lot of vandalism and very few constructive edits. Asking the opinion of this community as to whether some admin here can semi-protect it, if the community feels the same. --Debastein (talk) 09:12, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I've filed a report at WP:RPP...it has been protected. Good day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:04, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

OMIC Publishing Group

There is a discussion related to OMICS Publishing Group and related articles at Talk:OMICS Publishing Group#Content Controversy. Please read this discussion and the other discussions over the past few days on that talk page and consider participating. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:16, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Swaraj (J) Party

I don't know what to do with this:

Swaraj (J) Party

Kumari Kandam sourcing & pov issues

Kumari Kandam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been heavily rewritten. It appears to me that the editor doesn't understand our sourcing policy, the section on evidence supporting the existence of Kumari Kandam is at least to some extent original research, with sources not discussing the subject.It's got some dubious sources, eg Kumari Kandam Allathu Kadal Konda ThenNaadu(Kumari Continent or the Submerged Southern Country), 1941, K.AppaDurai and The International Society for the Investigation of Ancient Civilizations was founded in 1979 by Dr. R.P. Anjard and Dr. N. Mahalingam (used in two other articles - is it an RS? It seems to be the source of an odd map of India.[16]. Then there are claims such as "The language spoken by Australian tribes, African tribes, Andaman and Nicobar tribes and Lakshadweep tribes are identical to Tamil language. So, there are high possibilities that there might be a connecting land which exists in between India, Australia and Madagascar" sourced to the K.Appadurai mentioned above, Viyakkavaikkum Tamilar Ariviyal(Amazing science of Tamil people), Maathalai Somu, and Linguistics research books of Ma.So.Victor. There are other dubious sources and external links, and the article is now pretty biassed in favor of the reality of Kumari Kandam. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 12:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Your comment gives an wrong perception to others as if all the references are wrong. Please list down what are all references which needs to be corrected. I revisited the references once again and I found only the below two references needs to be changed.

# International Society For The Investigation Of Ancient Civilizations, Editor N. Mahalingam

# Linguistics research books of Ma.So.Victor

As an Admin, guide me in this...

The article is not trying to prove that Kumari Kandam is real...The article speaks about the data which supports the claims of existence of Kumari Kandam along with their references from researchers...And nowhere else, it is mentioned that Kumari Kandam is real/exists...--Maverick (talk) 13:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I replied at the article talk page but I'll note that I found a very interesting paper by Professor Sumathi Ramaswamy[17] [18], "History at Land's End: Lemuria in Tamil Spatial Fables" in the Journal of Asian Studies which is available as a pdf.[19] Dougweller (talk) 16:47, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Articles for creation/Three Rivers of Tears

Dear India experts: Another old Afc submission that needs another look. Is this a notable topic, and are the sources reliable? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Namaste Anne Delong, and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. I am not sure about its notability. I have checked Google.com and Google India. Now let's check against WP:BKCRIT

WP:BKCRIT
Criteria number	Criteria in brief	Status
1	The book has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works...	✗ Fail
2	The book has won a major literary award.	✗ Fail
3	The book has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a significant motion picture, or other art form, or event or political or religious movement.	✗ Fail
4	The book is the subject of instruction at multiple grade schools, high schools, universities or post-graduate programs in any particular country.	✗ Fail
5	Book's author historically significant etc	✗ Fail

So in my opinion, the article does not pass Wikipedia notability requirements.
Your second question is— "are the sources reliable". Let's discuss one by one.

Inline source number	Source URL	Comment
Sources as in this version
1	Link	The Hindu is of course a notable and reliable source. Note, this is the only reliable source I have found on the book. But, the article is not on the book, it discusses the book in only few sentences. So, does not add much to notability.
2	Link	An alumni journal, it seems the author is an alumnus of that institution. They have published an interview of the authors. Yes, that discusses the novel in details. But, that's not a good secondary reliable source.
3	Link	Useless source. Author's profile in a book publisher's website.
4	Link	The site is a reliable one, but it is an event notification/advertisement.
5	Link	The book itself. Reliable or unreliable— not applicable
6	Link	Slow net, I could not watch the video. But it does not seem to be on the book. The video might be a copyvio.
7	Link	Of course, The Hindu is reliable. But the source has nothing on the book or the author.

These are my opinion. See if these help. Let us know if you have any question or comment. Thanks for visiting WikiProject India noticeboard. Tito☸Dutta 08:34, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to check this out. It's gone now. —Anne Delong (talk) 21:29, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Adimo

Looks to me like this new article is based on a forgery, the Ezourvedam. Anyone specialized in this area? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:22, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Wendy O'Flaherty Book

Can some Hinduism and Indian news experts please take a look at both The Hindus: An Alternative History and Talk: The Hindus: An Alternative History, in particular the use of the word "heretical." Thank you. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:52, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

PS Please also see Wendy Doniger. They are also describing me as functioning like a "Hindu nationalist." That's a new one. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:03, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

TFAI Needs Worldwide View

Today's article for improvement is Reconnaissance satellite, which is currently tagged with {{globalize}}. According to {{Rest of the World Reconnaissance Satellites}}, India has 7 recon satellites, but as yet the page has no material regarding India's program. Perhaps the editors on this page would be interested in taking a crack at adding some material related to this? 0x0077BE [^talk/_contrib] 14:34, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Sagar/Sagara, Karnataka RM

It has been proposed to move Sagara, Karnataka to Sagar, Karnataka. Your participation in the discussion would be appreciated. --BDD (talk) 19:54, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Weblokam reliability

Is Weblokam likely to be a reliable source? It isn't even rendering properly on my PC, despite having the correct fonts installed. - Sitush (talk) 13:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Why does clicking on http://www.weblokam.com lead to http://malayalam.webdunia.com/ ? And is the webdunia club blacklisted/spam? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 14:48, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

@Dharmadhyaksha:, No idea but it doesn't look great, does it? I could take the issue to WP:RSN but I'm dubious about getting much input there because of it being a non-English source. - Sitush (talk) 17:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

This draft needs Review

Is there any AfC reviewer who can review this draft which is related to Indian History The Early Nationalists of India (Moderates).

Note to the Reviewer: Please review if you have good knowledge of Indian History. And please notify me before you start reviewing. Jim Cartar (talk) 17:11, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

There are big problems with it. This is not a reliable source, nor is this or this. I've got doubts about the source published by Morning Star Publishers also. I'm even struggling to find that many decent sources that refer to them as "Early Nationalist" rather than "early nationalist", which have very different meanings; similarly for "Moderates" vs "moderates".

There are numerous other issues but my bet is most of those could be resolved if only the sourcing was up to scratch. It is pointless listing them when removing the above sources will results in an incoherent shell anyway.

I can review on the AfC itself if you want but you won't like the outcome, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 17:49, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

@Sitush: please add your comments to the submission for the benefit of future reviewers. Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

@Davidwr:, I've no idea why but the {{afc comment}} is barfing. I've tried umpteen times, tweaking various things through Preview. Might it be unhappy about links in the rationale? I've just saved it complete with the error for now, hoping someone can fix it. - Sitush (talk) 23:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

That needed a 1=. Your have written the best points. Tito☸Dutta 00:06, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

@Sitush I need some time to fix the problems. Jim Cartar (talk) 06:17, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Seemandhra seriously could do would some more watchers and a quick-cleanup amid this current fiasco. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 20:52, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

On second thought, it's just like any of our other typical badly-written pages on Indian local places and regions. But in any case, more eyes are needed, judging by the flurry of activity of IPs and new accounts since this place isn't even officially formed yet. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:18, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Kush/Mountain articles

Members of this WikiProject may be interested in a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography#Kush/Mountain articles. Cnilep (talk) 07:40, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

History of Hinduism

Could someone interfere here? I'm at two reverts for today; one strike in my whole career is enough. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Namaste and welcome back to WikiProject India noticeboard. I have reverted the edit (yes you have noticed it already ), if they add back again, edit warring noticeboard should be the destination. I'll watch the article. Tito☸Dutta 11:34, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I've been watching it also and am concerned about that editor. Dougweller (talk) 12:37, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. I've posted a message on his (I guess "it" is a male) talkpage; looks like this editor is a Tamil, who wants a broader perspective on the history of Hinduism included at this page. Interesting. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/K Ravindra

Dear India experts: Here's another if those abandoned Afc submissions. The article has a list of sources, but they are not on line. Is this a notable artist, and should the article be kept? —Anne Delong (talk) 13:15, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Namaste and welcome back to WikiProject India noticeboard. Personally I feel the submission does not pass WP:GNG criteria and it is like an advertisement. --Tito☸Dutta 03:50, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I was willing to rewrite the NPOV problem, but since you say it is also non-notable I will leave it along and let it be deleted. Thank you for the analysis. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:07, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Popular pages tool update

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AfC submission

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Early Nationalists of India (Moderates). FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 13:22, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lucknow Municipal Corporation. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:47, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Request on Reward Board

I'm soliciting ribbon alternatives for both the India Star and the India Barnstar of National Merit. I'd be glad to see input from WikiProject India on the design. Chris Troutman (talk) 06:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Namaste and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. The original India star file is too small. I have gone ahead and created one for now File:India_Barnstar_ribbon.png. If you mention the changes or design idea, those may be done. Tito☸Dutta 07:49, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

It could just use the flag without a star. The National Merit one could be differentiated by a gold fringe or something, instead. The modest barnstar ribbons are simple examples of the texture involved. —PC -XT + 03:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Category:Luso-Indian

Category:Luso-Indian, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:41, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Edits for Dowry system in India

I’m a student revising the Dowry system in India page. I have a few suggestions for improving the article. First, I will revise and organize the "Introduction" and "Prevalence" sections. I'm hoping that this will bring these sections up to Wikipedia standards and clarify the direction the article will take. Second, I will add sections on "History", "Social factors", and "Economic factors". This will ensure that the issue is covered in a holistic view. These sections are relevant to how the dowry system has evolved and become a traditional part of marriage in some parts of India. Last, I will rewrite the "Domestic violence" section into specific subsections including "Murder", "Violence and abuse", "Suicide", and "Mental health". I believe this covers important information regarding women's rights and capabilities. These sections are also important for realizing the implications for women, and ultimately India's future.

I am not sure if these are the best way to divide the information on the page, and am looking for advice on how to organize the material needed to make this article better. I am especially conflicted regarding organization on the "Domestic violence" section. Please let me know if you have comments or suggestions that would aid in this article being better represented on Wikipedia. Thanks!

AllyBremer (talk) 02:39, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

@AllyBremer: Namaste and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. Your plan on format looks good. Carry on with it. For further discussions on the topic or the presentation or the content or anything, lets everyone take it to Talk:Dowry system in India where the same post is present. Its just easy for further references to keep discussions there. You can always return back here if you need more audience. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:57, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

The above reply is +1-ed by Tito☸Dutta 05:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Kumbha of Mewar

What should the title of Kumbha of Mewar actually be? The first paragraph reads: "Maharana Kumbha ("Hindu Surrtran" & "Abhinav Bharta Charya" or Kumbhakarna Singh, died 1468 AD) was the ruler of Mewar, a state in western India, between 1433 and 1468 AD, and belonging to the Sisodia clan. Kumbha was a son of Rana Mokal of Mewar by his wife Sobhagya Devi, a daughter of Jaitmal Sankhla, the Parmara fief-holder of Runkot in the state of Marwar." It isn't until the 2nd paragraph we find the name "Rana Kumbha", which seems to be his most common name in English. Was he really 7 feet tall by the way? Article really needs sources. Dougweller (talk) 15:34, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Maharashtriya Jnanakosha

Maharashtriya Jnanakosha was apparently compiled from 1920 with the aim of being a Marathi equivalent to Encyclopaedia Britannica. I hate tertiary sources such as this at the best of times, and I'm always very wary of Raj era sources, but the MJ also appears to have very few mentions in other scholarly works. Is it reliable for caste-related subject matter, including the history of such communities? - Sitush (talk) 19:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Whats wrong with "Raj era" sources? I will dig out some stuff on MJ if available in Marathi. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 17:13, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Pseudo-history, overly influenced by Brahmins, mixing of folklore with fact, amateur (though probably not this guy) and so on. Dammit, there are huge chunks of people even in India who think the Raj era produced bad reference works (although I'll admit that they tend to change their mind selectively, depending on whether it makes them/their community etc look good or not). The general rule is that we do not use this sort of stuff because it is mostly crap. I'm asking whether this might be an exception to that rule. A couple of key things regarding MJ are (a) whether peer-reviewed sources cite it and (b) whether it cites sources itself. - Sitush (talk) 17:18, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay! The books have been referenced in some other books. But i couldn't find any criticism yet on the actual volume as such, pro or against. So i have no answer for your point a above. For the point b; the volume does cite sources at the end of every article, although they are not inline as we do here. (Did the then versions of Encyclopædia Britannica use inline citations? I read around that EB was the only encyclopedia for Ketkar to actually base his version on. Other volumes in other Indian languages were being worked on independently and remotely but there was no way he could have used those, if they at all they existed in usable form. Thats just for the "format" he presented.) Coming back to citing sources, for example, this entry of "Egypt" has at the end listed some references, which are translated and stated below.

Citations...
G. Ebers "Egypt: Descriptive, Historical and Picturesque" Translator - Clara Bell, 2 Parts, London 1887 Birch "Egypt from the Earliest Times to B. C. 300" Kelly "Egypt Painted and Described" A B Edwards "A Thousand Miles Up the Nile", London 1889 Edwards "Pharaohs, Fellahs and Explorers, London 1892 "Modern Geography of Egypt", London 1902 Ward "Pyramids and Progress", 1900

And there are 50 something more references listed there. But not all entries have references listed at the bottom. For example this small entry of Eton has none. (Our article is at Eton, Berkshire.) In your search, do try looking for alternate spellings like "Maharashtriya Dnyanakosha". §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:48, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the digging. I'm not too concerned about inline sourcing but if tertiary sources do refer to secondary sources then we really should be citing the secondaries. That said, in this instance the secondary sources are likely to be unreliable themselves! The alternate spellings is a good point - are you aware of any others? - Sitush (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Gujarat dams

Are you looking for creating new articles? There is good Data bank here on Gujarat Government website which has detailed info/statistics about each dam in Gujarat. I have added infobox in Dharoi dam and Ukai Dam. Have a look. If you are interested, create new start class articles on each remained and fill infobox from available databank. Regards -Nizil (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Namaste and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. The weblink you have provided is really nice and easy to use. Also, try out this link. It is a wiki created from joint venture of Ministry of Water Resources (India) and Indian Space Research Organisation. Added advantage of this is that it has info of all states & UTs of India. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:16, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Possible fringe at Dwarkadhish Temple

I just moved and cleaned up a bit Dwarkadhish Temple (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and some of the fringe stuff about it being 2500 years old was immediately replaced. I can't comment on all the sources (and one link doesn't work), but Archaeology of India: retrospect and prospect - page 159, Amar Nath Khanna was written before the research I used to date the temple to the 15th century. And even that source seems to say something different.[20] I think that there is a structure there about 2000 years old but haven't yet firmly sourced it. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Professor Gautam Chatterjee

Hello, India experts. The references in this old Afc submission are not on line. Is this a notable person, and should the article be kept? It will soon be deleted as a stale draft. —Anne Delong (talk) 06:23, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Anne, I think the person is notable. Works of this person has been published in multiple regional newspapers in India. Including The Hindu, Pioneer, and more. Antara is a famous play in urban areas of WestBengal. No doubt the article need some work. But if you ask me then my answer will be Keep. Jim Cartar (talk) 12:31, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I see that you have been fixing up the article. By editing it you have postponed its deletion for six months, which should be plenty of time to add some more inline citations and remove some promotional language. Thanks for your help. —Anne Delong (talk) 12:43, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome. Jim Cartar (talk) 13:07, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Notable, no idea why it is taking long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.87.80.86 (talk) 04:14, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Because this is a biography, it has to have inline citations for facts about the person himself and about any awards that he may have won. Feel free to add these yourself - that will speed things up! —Anne Delong (talk) 14:28, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

K. N. Srinivasan AfD

Hi, I'm Supernerd11, and I was just letting you know that I nominated K. N. Srinivasan for deletion. Feel free to share your thoughts here. Cheers! Supernerd11 :D Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 05:03, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Chalo Delhi

I have just noticed we do not have an article on Chalo Delhi (redirect Delhi Chalo), it was war cry during Sepoy Mutiny and Subhas Bose's army march to Delhi. Please see "Chalo+Delhi" this. Due to heavy work pressure I may not be able to start the article. I am requesting senior editors like Sitush, FowlerandFowler, Dharmadhakshya to start this article if they have some time in hand. But I'll definitely be there to expand the article. It might be an excellent DYK candidate. Tito☸Dutta 12:18, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, but I'm flat out of time myself. Care will need to be exercised to prevent overlap with Indian rebellion of 1857, Subhas Chandra Bose, and Indian National Army pages. As I see it, such a page should be chiefly about the expression and its history of use, not about the more general context of its use (which is already well covered in those articles). Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:42, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. I totally agree. I do not know if this film had any relation with the call Chalo Dilli (the plot is different, but did they mock the call?), but unfortunately when I was searching in Google for "Chalo Delhi", I got this film article as number one result, which I don't want to see. --Tito☸Dutta 15:04, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Dwivedi

I'm querying G. C. Dwivedi's history of the Jats in the WP:RSN thread here. - Sitush (talk) 02:16, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Bump. It could do with some input at the RSN thread. - Sitush (talk) 04:02, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

RFC: Inviting Quiddity (WMF) or Okeyes (WMF) to implement Flow at WikiProject India Noticeboard

I am requesting comments from the regular editors of this noticeboard. As you know WP:FLOW was implemented in two WikiProject noticeboards. Yesterday Fram posted at Flow talk page that one of those WikiProject noticeboards get one to two messages per month. Our this noticeboard gets new message almost everyday.

I am personally very much interested to invite Quiddity (WMF) or Okeyes (WMF) to implement Flow in our noticeboard. Frankly speaking, I think—

It'll bring some more highlight to our works and our noticeboard. I am very much interested to get this attention. Hopefully we;'ll get few more volunteers too (okay, our noticeboard is already very popular, but still it'll get some more attention).
We'll be one of the first WikiProjects to work with flow and most probably the first WikiProject to invite them to test flow in our noticeboard.

Note

I have not talked to Quiddity (WMF) or Okeyes (WMF) yet. I am talking to you first. I'll have nothing to do if they reject our invitation or if they feel Flow can not be implemented here.
Flow reportedly has some disadvantages. Check reports against Flow at WT:FLOW. But, believe me, I have been following Flow from the very first day. Flow may be in a bad condition, but, it is not unworkable.

Please let me know if you want to get Flow. If we do, someone of us can go ahead and invite them. Tito☸Dutta 12:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

Is FLOW WP's Facebook? Will it have more variety of smileys and will those be available at click rather than some key-combo? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 13:57, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

You may use general smiley and templates. You may test Flow discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Flow/Developer_test_page. I don't know ifit is Wikipedia's Facebook. They informed about "Global profile", But that's a different thing. --Tito☸Dutta 14:05, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I understand that FLOW will be able to notify editors if someone replies to their posts. Do you know if it only notifies the original poster, or all of the people who post in a certain section? Either way, this could be handy. —Anne Delong (talk) 09:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Votes

Support: as proposer. Tito☸Dutta 12:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Oppose: there have been various discussions about problems arising from Flow (some at Jimbo's page, IIRC) and from reading some of those over the last few weeks I got the impression that this is yet another too-rapid rollout by WMF, as Visual Editor was. I realise that they have to test somewhere but I'd rather it wasn't anywhere near where I am. - Sitush (talk) 13:01, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes there are some problems. But I have been working with Flow from the first day, it is workable, but needs improvement. Tito☸Dutta 13:06, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Weak Support I have always tried to steer clear of the stunts that those at WMF pull off here in en wp but whats wrong in giving them a chance? —Soh am 13:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Support Some of the disadvantages were there in WT:FLOW . Maybe still improvements require. But after seeing this, I would like to support. Jim Cartar (talk) 15:44, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Support This would be a really good noticeboard to test FLOW. Well, it's a test run, if this fails, we can revert back to original format. I have no knowledge as such about this, but I am all for anything new and experimental :)--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Oppose. Not Yet! Let FLOW mature some more. WikiProject India's resources are few. Imho we should not risk squandering valuable manhours to restore the sit should flow not work out. In the meantime, some editors may like to completely understand FLOW and its nitty gritty so that when the time comes, we can avoid as many mistakes/bad decisions as possible while implementing it. My take - dont adopt technology blindly, let it be done deliberately after due scrutiny and after consensus is reached that FLOW is now reasonably mature. AshLin (talk) 01:58, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Oppose per Sitush and AshLin. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:18, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Comment. Although I post here often, I am not a member of this project, so I will just comment rather than !vote. I can see that this would be a good talk page to test FLOW because it is neither so busy that there would be many posts to fix if something went wrong, nor so inactive that problems would not be noticed. Certainly AshLin has a valid concern; in any test things are bound to go wrong, and it would be important to know if the developers are prepared to restore posted items to pre-FLOW format if the test didn't prove satisfactory, or if it would be left to the project members to do it. —Anne Delong (talk) 09:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
- /me whispers quietly to Anne Delong et al, "There's a script that the devs can run, to convert Flow->wikitext. It generates a wikitext page with equivalent indents, and adds correct signatures/timestamps, e.g.. So going back is fairly easy, given 24hrs notice or so." Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 00:28, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Oppose per Sitush and AshLin and per my reluctance, at my age, to learn anything new, unless my life depends on it. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:34, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Support lets test it...--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 05:12, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

List of Chief Ministers of Karnataka at FLC

Hello, List of Chief Ministers of Karnataka is a featured-list candidate. If you have a moment please chime in with your comments. Thank you.—indopug (talk) 19:12, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Shady/Coat-rack articles (of dubious merit) that i intend to nominate for deletion

I thought of raising this issue here before nominating a "few dodgy articles of questionable importance" for deletion. The articles that i intend to report are Tamil American, Tamil Australian, Kannada American and Bengali American. These terminologies are unheard of. Neither of these countries (United States & Australia) have used these terminologies for "census, immigration & other govt" purposes nor have their media used them in their articles & reports. These people have always been called/listed/reported as "Indian American/Australian" or "Sri Lankan American/Australian" based on their country of origin. The sources cited in these articles "have not mentioned them as official terms", but they simply contain some statistical data regarding the number of tamil speakers. The articles look like they maybe based on flimsy sourcing and be another coat-rack/POV fork. I was told that the usage of these terms in some community websites don't really count. I haven't come across a "Gujarati/Malayali/Sindhi American" wiki article and i wonder what's the need for editors to create such pages. You're all probably aware that there is a lot of coatracking of tamil subjects. Are we going to allow such frenzied creations? Though i personally feel the articles qualify for "no indication of importance deletion criteria" in Afd, i would like to hear some of your opinions and probably call for a vote. Thank you. Hari7478 (talk) 08:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm struggling a bit here. That a group is not officially described as Tamil American or whatever in census data etc doesn't really mean all that much. The issue is whether or not sources more generally refer to such groups. As far as the linguistic data goes, I would have thought that would be more appropriate in the Tamil language article, although not in quite as much detail. - Sitush (talk) 02:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bhakti Ballabh Tirtha

Hello again India experts! Here's another of those abandoned Afc submissions that will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable person, and should the article be kept and improved instead? —Anne Delong (talk) 13:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

G4: Recreation of material deleted via a deletion discussion.

Page where the deletion discussion took place: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bhakti Ballabh Tirtha Goswami Maharaj - Ninney (talk) 13:48, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I have nominated it for deletion. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:33, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

List of constituencies of West Bengal Legislative Assembly

List of constituencies of West Bengal Legislative Assembly has been moved from the List of constituencies of the West Bengal Vidhan Sabha by Logical 11004 and then put up for deletion as sole author. There is no reason for its deletion. There is another page - List of constituencies of the West Bengal Legislative Assembly, which was also put up for deletion. An Admin my please restore the pages to its original form. - Chandan Guha (talk) 07:06, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Done, thanks. - Chandan Guha (talk) 14:33, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Chandan Guha : I was not intended to delete that page. I moved that page as per other articles related to legislative assemblies. You can have a look here Vidhan Sabha. I was making a space for a move a redirect back to List of constituencies of West Bengal Legislative Assembly from List of constituencies of the West Bengal Vidhan Sabha. As have been done here List of constituencies of Arunachal Pradesh Legislative Assembly from List of constituencies of Arunachal Pradesh Vidhan Sabha. Although both articles are equivalent, but as most of the articles are with the title "List of constituencies of (State Name) Legislative Assembly", so to make uniformity over here, it was done. If that should not be done, its ok for me. Logical1004 (talk) 05:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Clarification on this issue of Aam Aadmi Party electioneering

This is properly sourced info because of interest in these individuals by public and since wikipedia is a source of information, articles have been created on them by me and other persons whom I don't know at all. Proper information was sourced and given reference at bottom. So, I don't think it's electioneering until and unless you have included the reference on persons which were having genuine interest by public. Pulkit18 indore (talk) 02:02, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Namaste and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard, since wikipedia is a source of information — that is correct, but here in Wikipedia you need to follow WP:FIVE ad well. You also have to show that the subject passes WP:GNG/ Some of the recent edits do not follow WP:MOS guidelines too. Tito☸Dutta 03:27, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Mass renaming of places in Karnataka without discussion

This follows a previous discussion about renaming Sagara, Karnataka, and concerns general the renaming of places with the final ‘a’ in the name by user Puttuhegde. This has been going on for some time without discussion except when the move needed an administrator, as it did above. Generally the moves drop the final ‘a’. The reasons given are usually the claims that 1. in Kannada the final ‘a’ is not pronounced except by a few southerners, 2. the replacement is ‘the official’ GoI spelling or name, or 3. it is a spelling correction. The first two are of course not valid reasons in terms of WP:Name, and the last reason only makes sense when there is an accepted spelling.

The discussions can be seen at Talk:Sagara,_Karnataka, User_talk:Imc, and User_talk:PuttuHegde. It has now begun to move toward a revert war. The other user has not seen the need to have specific discussions, despite requests and though there could be a case in terms of WP policy for many of the changes. I’m therefore asking for some additional input into this please.

Imc (talk) 09:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Comment In response to what is alleged by user Imc above, I would like to state that certain pages for (Towns/Cities) in Karnataka were moved in accordance with the spelling used by the Government. User Imc in particular and another user Mayasandra have been mentioning spellings other than the officially used spelling for some Towns and Cities in Karnataka saying that the Kannada pronunciation of those towns is different. Wikipedia shall provide the right information to its readers and with this reason, I have been saying to Imc and Mayasandra that there is a defined process in India to rename or change the spelling of a Town or a City. And that can be done only by the approvals of District Commissioner, State Government and Central Government. Those who want to change the spelling shall approach the Government and only after its approval the new spelling can be used in India officially. What users Imc and Mayasandra are doing by changing the spellings of Towns on their own can be attributed to vandalism. PuttuHegde pdh 15:49, 9 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PuttuHegde (talk • contribs)
Comment: PuttuHegde has been unilaterally changing hundreds of articles, I also told the user to discuss changes before moving but it seems like the user has not learned or read about how to solve disputes in accordance with Wikipedia policy. Gsingh (talk) 02:49, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Comment: its wierd that kannada is totally different from Hindi where you cutt off the last letter by half , even for Sagar it can be a place or a dude's name ! , sagara for sure is a city and cannot be termed as a few southerners calling ! ? Shrikanthv (talk) 07:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Comment: PutuHegde needs to understand how wiki works. He needs learn to discuss and find consensus. His approach is misleading. I feel many of his edits (moves) have to reverted as they all stem from the same assumption.Mayasandra (talk) 15:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Namaste and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. I agree that they should follow requested move procedure. Undiscussed moves, if challenged, should be reverted. Tito☸Dutta 20:26, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Comment: Before performing revert, let us discuss if contributions of PuttuHegde are correct or opponents are right. Both sides will have to show credible proof rather than explaining the theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.123.194 (talk)
- While further renames may be appropriate for a discussion, it is not practical to discuss all of the many changes he has made here in one go. At a quick count there are at least 25 - these should be discussed on the individual subject page to ensure that users see it and to stop this discussion getting detailed and unwieldy. As I have said in my leading post, some changes may be justified, but not in terms of the reasons Puttuhdegde (who has now had himself renamed) has given, in terms of WP:Name. That is all we should discuss here, and I’ll restate this. Of his three reasons that I quoted above (there may be others as well), my arguments are,
  - there is no unique government list of official names that anyone is bound to follow, as far as I can see even government officials, let alone Wikipedia. The user has quoted www.indiapost.gov.in/pin/ - is there any reason to take this more seriously than anything else?
  - pronunciation – he has produced no evidence that the name (example) Sagara is pronounced ‘sagar’ by locals. Sagara reflects the Kannada.
  - the spelling correction claim can be ignored.

I suggest the thing to do may be to reverse the changes, unless the change can be seen to be justified in terms of the reasons he has given. Also put a note on the talk page giving a summary of this discussion if others want to start the individual rename by discussion again. Some arguments have already been left on some talk pages. Imc (talk) 07:51, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/goasi, purnea

Hello once more, India experts. I think this is a topic about India. Would anyone like to improve this little abandoned Afc submission, or should it be deleted as a stale draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 21:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

@Anne I will try to work on this draft. It is about a village of Purnea district. But I will check if this subject is already covered or not. Its title is also not correct it must be changed into "Goasi" instead of "goasi, purnea". I have already edited the draft to avoid deletion. Thanks for bring it here. Jim Carter (talk) 16:12, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this on. The title can be fixed up when the article is moved to mainspace. Let me know when you think it's ready, or you may want to move it yourself. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:31, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Merge 2 articles in a single article ??

I think the article List of recognised political parties in India can be brought under a section titled as recognized parties in the already existing article List of political parties in India and other section can have parties that are accepted but non-recognized parties according to Election Commission of India. Currently two articles are misleading and confusing. And people are randomly adding new parties without adding any citations. So have to monitor that too. Opinions needed. Logical1004 (talk) 06:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you. It should be merged. About new parties without citation, I think they should be removed and the article should be protected. RRD13 (talk) 15:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I will do that. Logical1004 (talk) 16:23, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Post-secondary institutions in India

Are schools like Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Globsyn Business School "presumed notable" in the same way that schools in the United States that offer accredited, recognized Bachelors, Masters, and Doctorate degrees in the United States typically are? If not, is this particular school notable? Compare that with schools in the United States which offer only career-oriented diplomas, certificates, post-doc study programs, etc. and/or whose Bachelors, Masters, and Doctorate degrees are not accredited or whose accreditation is not widely recognized (e.g. a theological degree which is only recognized by the affiliated church and theologically-similar churches) - such schools may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:21, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

@Davidwr: There are a lot of dodgy articles about privately-run colleges in India .. and there is a massive market in fake degree certificates etc even from the established universities. I think we need to create some sort of notability standard here that determines which accreditations are acceptable. I'm not very familiar with the system but there must be some state- or national-level body that we can use as a minimum requirement. - Sitush (talk) 07:57, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

An old list of fakes[21] and a search that might help.[22]. It claims and seems to have AICTE accreditation. Search[23]. Dougweller (talk) 11:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

In India the only regulatory bodies are UGC for Universities, Bar Council of India for law schools, Medical council of India for medical schools and Dental council of India for dental schools. Earlier, engineering colleges were regulated by AICTE. However, after a Supreme Court judgement last year, AICTE has lost its regulatory powers and has only advisory powers. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 05:22, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Discussion about {{Indian English}}

Discussion about use of the {{Indian English}} template is ongoing at the Manual of Style talk page. - Sitush (talk) 20:11, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Sun TV shows

Many if not all of the serials from {{Sun TV shows}} were recently subject to WP:PROD. I challenged the PROD, noting the number of episodes produced. I leave it to project members to take a look at this. 67.100.127.179 (talk) 00:08, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Use of honorific 'Baba', eg Baba Hardeo Singh

Should we be using Baba this way in article titles and bodies? The article says he is known as "Baba Hardev Singh" (uncited but one source does use it) despite the title. Hard to check as there is another Baba Hardev Singh. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 12:45, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

@Dougweller actually "Baba" is just a type of polite address to a man who is known for religious or social works. Indian people use this type of terms to show respect. In a similar way we use Sir William Wedderburn instead of using William Wedderburn. I think it is better to use "Hardeo Singh" as the title but a redirect of "Baba Hardeo Singh" would be a better idea. Jim Carter (talk) 15:20, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I've done that now, User:Jim Cartar. Dougweller (talk) 11:29, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Ladu Singh Solanki

Anyone got any thoughts about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ladu Singh Solanki? - Sitush (talk) 18:27, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Namaste, I have posted a reply there. Thank you. --Tito☸Dutta 19:45, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Replied there. But I cannot post the comment serially due to some technical problems. So I was wondering If anyone can go there and correct it. Thanks. Jim Carter (talk) 20:16, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Done - Sitush (talk) 20:36, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 16/03

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Maveerar Ondiveeran. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

It seems to have been lifted from this Google group. It also appears in this blogspot. It is poorly written, without regard to Indian English spelling conventions, let alone grammar and style standards. Worse of all, its myriad sentences, without Wikification or even paragraphing, are unsourced. Articles such as this should be rejected outright, their submitting editors told to go read up basic Wikipedia guidelines. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:31, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Regions?

Does India have "regions" which ought to appear in Infoboxes? List of regions of India seems to contradict Divisions of India. An editor has been adding {{Infobox settlement}} to several Indian places including a "region" (eg this edit), but I wonder whether this is correct? Is there a guideline for the use of that template for Indian places? PamD 07:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

No, that article needs to be AfD'd ASAP. Also, as a general rule, I would discourage list-making in India-related topics. Many Indian editors, not willing to put in the effort to cogently write narrative, create lists instead, whether they are needed or not. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:45, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Regions and Division as per the definition of Wikipedia are different. While regions add value to a user in terms of direction in which a village,mandal,district or city lies. Divisions on the other hand is an administrative division used for allocating resources and administrative support from central and state government. From an academic point region helps in finding geographically which part of India a particular village,mandal, district or city lies. Sonusunny «Talk» 19:42, 15 March 2014 (IST)

Divisions are very much geographic as well, have been from British times. See for example: Divisions of Uttar Pradesh or Divisions of Uttarakhand. I don't see that regions adds any significant information. In most cases, that information is not clearly defined. Is Jaisalmer in the region Northern India or Western India? (Consider the region Gondwana, India. There is nothing reliably sourced in that article. How did it manage to be created?) The list is littered with other so-called "regions." A Wikipedia article is not obliged to give directions for reaching a village, town, or city, especially by employing imprecise categories. It is enough to say W is a town in X district of Y division of Z state. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:43, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Good point, the way I look at it in terms of how it can add value is that Regions can be subsumed under Divisions of India and add geographical information to the article. It will provide directional information to a user along with proximity of states and the division thereafter. Since Division of every State in India is till incomplete above process will be useful once the information about division of every state is available. Alternatively we can follow a process to evaluate what process has been followed and applied to other countries for articles in Wiki to take a call on region.Sonusunny «Talk» 09:37, 16 March 2014 (IST)

The article List of regions of India shows just 5 regions, areas much larger than states. The article Administrative divisions of India describes regions as units within states. The infobox on Sikhohpur shows a "region" of "North India", listed beteeen state and district. There seems to be confusion. PamD 06:24, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it is because it is directional information relative to India. If you look at this image http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tFNLGQCxWuE/T-wDZ0RozXI/AAAAAAAAAqs/I-qqP2MFzAo/s1600/North+India.png, North India has 6 states within it, it is called North India relative to the center of India. Region can be made a part in Division in India with States under it instead it being separate category in Infobox. Sonusunny «Talk» 17:33, 16 March 2014 (IST)

That is some blogger's private definition of North India. There is no official (indeed no historical) definition of North India. At least in the English language, the term "North India" was a fluid term, changing with changing European knowledge of India, and later, with the changing size of British India. North-Western Provinces, for example, was the name of UP for much of the 19th century. The Wikipedia page North India is a testament to the lack of consensus about a definition. It is best that terms such as "North India" not appear in the pithy, precise, environs of an infobox, unless they are absolutely needed to disambiguate. They can be used in more general geographical descriptions, such as that in India#Biodiversity, which in fact uses the terms "southern India" and "central India" without linking them. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:04, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

As for the article, Sikhohpur, I've pared it down to one sentence which will need to be cited and shown notable before anything else can be added. A "pincode" finder or a Geolysis.com map reference is not a WP reliable source. Articles such as this should not pass the AfC stage. WP is not a gazetteer. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Prominent People from Tirur

Dear India experts: The above old Afc submission has a list that is already in the Tirur article. Is it reasonable to make a stand-alone list of this, or should it remain part of the main article? —Anne Delong (talk) 12:02, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Not only is there no reason to have a stand-alone list, there is little reason to have the list in the Tirur article. The article says nothing about the history of the town. We don't know from the history presented that the town even existed in ancient or early medieval times. The articles of the individuals listed have barely any mention of Tirur. In some cases, they were born or lived in what today is Tirur Taluk (subdistrict), which is likely much bigger than the municipal town of Tirur. In any case, none of the claims of belonging are reliably sourced. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree. The AfC item should simply be deleted. - Sitush (talk) 18:29, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks; it's gone! —Anne Delong (talk) 04:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

And thank you for your work! Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:06, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 03/03

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Manalikkara. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:36, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Karimeen Pollichathu. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:43, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Namaste and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. While including an AFC entry here, please add a short note on why you are including it here. Thank you. Tito☸Dutta 00:44, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thank you for getting back to me. I'm part of AfC, and we get loads of India-related submissions. We usually notify WikiProjects about relevant submissions so that they can apply their specific criteria and review the articles if we are not savvy enough or simply can't fathom the encyclopaedic content of submitted drafts. We also appreciate any comments you might have, not to mention your collaboration at AfC! Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:12, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

There is no standard procedure of notifying WikiProjects about AFC submission. There is a WP:DSI, I don't know anything related to AFC. When someone includes an AFC here, see Anne Delong's posts, they generally add a short note on their queries/requests. WikiProject is a large project, surely there will be hundreds (if not thousands) of entries. If you add a short note, it'll be helpful for us to reply and attend and for you to get quicker reply. But, your contribution to WikiProject India is appreciated (not formality) --Tito☸Dutta 22:21, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

More AfDs

Opinions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Col. Raj Singh, Raja of Kasli welcome. - Sitush (talk) 18:50, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bhupathiraju. - Sitush (talk) 19:45, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

And another one that will die for lack of attention at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raja Rai Rattan Pal. - Sitush (talk) 19:14, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

The same user has created some other one-sentence, unencyclopedic, pages. They are: Raja Nipal Chand, Rana Sihra, and Naroo. The user quickly creates the pages, leaving dozens of conscientious Wikipedians to pick up after him. This really shouldn't be allowed. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I've been nibbling away at this sort of thing for years now, through PROD and AfD. Despite deletion sorting, a lot of the AfDs get little attention and in such circumstances are usually judged to be "no consensus". I sometimes wish that WP:BURDEN applied: "no consensus" defaults to "keep" even though the problem really is one of lack of attention at the AfD to obviously unsourced/poorly sourced/non-notable etc. And thus articles about local heroes and obscure clans etc remain. I'm pretty sure that I'm not stemming the tide of unencyclopaedic nonsense and fancruft, and I sometimes wonder why I bother. And don't get me started again on the "inherent notability" of most villages - we've had that discussion only recently here. - Sitush (talk) 01:05, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Tourism in Andhra Pradesh

Requesting improvements to Tourism in Andhra Pradesh per the tags atop the article. It's also being considered for deletion at this time. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:31, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bhumihar (3rd nomination)

Experienced voices at this discussion regarding two variations of an article would be helpful.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bhumihar (3rd nomination) is in regards to

Bhumihar and
Bhumihar Brahmin

One is apparently a POV Fork of the other. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Muthunur (or) Muthunoor

(sigh) Here's another abandoned village Afc submission..... —Anne Delong (talk) 04:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

No more abandoned Anne, I started improving it. Have a look, you will find some changes. Although I haven't added any sources yet but will try to add some within the next few days. Thank you for bringing it here. Jim Carter (talk) 11:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I do understand that people are trying to save these village pages, but we can't use Google maps to source the existence of a village. Google maps is a primary source as are pincode finders. We need a government gazetteer, we need land revenue records published in secondary sources. In other words, we need textual secondary sources, not maps or pincode finders. We can't by looking at Google maps even add the sentence that says the village exists. I really think these pages should be deleted. I do understand that people are trying to save them, but just imagine, I could go on Google Earth and generate thousands of Wikipedia Village pages. What is the point? Wikipedia in any case doesn't have the functionalities of Google Earth. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

So you are saying that this draft must be deleted? Okay fine I will not improve it anymore. I have seen your comments on the above section. Well there are hundreds of village articles which are in similar condition so according to your comment they must be nominated for AfD. I understand that land revenue records etc etc are required but see as far I know some of the villages really exist (after I verfied them by there coordinates) and have some legal documents but they are all paperworks, if someone use this documents as sources then I'm sure other users will delete them because they are not verifiable although they are reliable. Therefore, I personally think that concession on this type of village articles should be given such that if an article has atleast one independent secondary source then it should be kept. Now, I may have totally mistaken. Let other decide what they think. Jim Carter (talk) 11:02, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

user:Jim Cartar, I have to apologize. I did make a mistake. I assumed you had already published the article, which you had not. I confused your article with the other village in Haryana. You have kept it in AfC. That is fine. Please keep improving it. As a separate issue, I do think that we as members of WT:INDIA, we are better off sourcing the articles on the bigger geographical units (such as districts) first (for which a great deal more information is available as well). See for example List of districts of Andhra Pradesh: most statements in the individual district articles are uncited. Anyway, I certainly did not mean to discourage you from improving that article. I was merely arguing about the collective effort and where it should be directed. My apologies again, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:06, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Its okay. I try never to publicize materials which are not cited well. Jim Carter (talk) 17:17, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler and [[Jim Cartar: Thank you both, Jim for his improvement efforts and Fowler for reminding us about referencing and the bigger picture. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:29, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/NC College

Dear editors: Another old abandoned Afc article (sigh...). Is this a notable school? Or is the topic already covered under another title? —Anne Delong (talk) 23:18, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Rejected: Submission is duplicated by another article already in mainspace. Refer N.C. Autonomous College, Jajpur. Thanks! - Ninney (talk) 01:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for finding that. An odd name for a college; I wouldn't have thought of trying that title. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:04, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/nawanagar buxar

Oh, dear, here's another old Afc draft about a village. I added a couple of references, but it needs work. —Anne Delong (talk) 01:46, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Will try to work on this as soon as possible. Jim Carter (talk) 03:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Bhaktha Prahladha's release year

Telugu cinema's first sound film Bhakta Prahlada was for a very long time believed to have been released on 15 September 1931. But these recent and authentic news articles containing research by an award winning film historian prove that it was released on 6 February 1932. They are as follows:

"Wake up, industry". The Hindu. September 9, 2012.
"'Bhaktha Prahladha': First Telugu talkie completes 81 years". CNN-IBN. February 7, 2013.
"Telugu Cinema turns a grand 82!". The Hans India. 7 February 2013. p. 10.

I request someone to read them thoroughly and decide whether Bhakta Prahlada is worth moving. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Aam Aadmi Party electioneering

It seems obvious to me that Aam Aadmi Party supporters are engaging in an on-Wiki PR campaign in the run-up to the 2014 elections, creating numerous articles about so-called "activists" who have been announced as candidates. We had much the same happen for the 2013 Delhi elections, mainly I think because of a perceived almost messianic status for the party.

We need to be careful of WP:COI and also the fact that election candidacies do not in themselves make someone notable. Eyes on {{Aam Aadmi Party}} would be welcomed, since these newbies seem to be familiar with the existence of that thing. I'm tempted to call in WP:SPI but suspect it is more a case of meatpuppeting. A close eye on the article images is also necessary: some have no permissions and some have OTRS templates slapped on them but no evidence that the email to OTRS has actually been sent. - Sitush (talk) 07:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Update: we now have specific problems at Mukul Tripathi, Habung Payeng and Jiyalal Ram Jaiswar, as well as the template. The warring anons appear all to be based in East Coast USA. - Sitush (talk) 00:28, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Namaste and welcome back to WikiProject India noticeboard, (ignore it, it is my common salutation here). I feel, it is more an admins' issue than an INB one. Currently I suggest following—

Keep on warning (and if necessary blocking) of problematic accounts.
Semi-protection of affected articles and content.
Attempt to find if there is any paid editing or CoI editing involved here.
If nothing works, imposing arbitration committee's or similar special restrictions in this article. Tito☸Dutta 00:39, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Delhi Legislative Assembly election, 2014

An editor has created this page of Delhi Legislative Assembly election, 2014. As far as I know the current assembly's life is up to December 2018. The house constituted in December 2013 has not yet been dissolved. It has only been suspended with the governor keeping the option of exploring the possibility of forming the government open. Therefore this is speculative to state that the next assembly election will be held in 2014. There is no reference and it is just an opinion.The election may as well be held in 2014 or in 2015 or later. Any comments.Shyamsunder (talk) 09:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

If it weren't at AfD now I'd redirect it. Dougweller (talk) 13:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

User Sitush

I want to report here that this User Sitush is continuously editing India Related articles all over the Wiki. Ofcourse editing within the wiki norms is agreeable but this user goes further and mistakes his knowledge ( or lack of it) as Wiki guidelines and performs all kinds of edits. How do we stop this ridiculous travesty of Wiki terms of usage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldruff (talk • contribs) 13:51, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

This is a noticeboard for discussing specific India-related topics - it isn't an appropriate place to raise behavioural issues. Not that raising them anywhere is appropriate without providing evidence. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:57, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Oops! Don't get hit by the boomerang. Might I suggest - again - that you file your complaints at WP:AN/S? - Sitush (talk) 13:59, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing Sitush's tireless efforts to bring a wide variety of articles into encyclopedic compliance and standards. Here's to Sitush: Hip Hip Hooray! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:30, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

He He He Shrikanthv (talk) 05:49, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank You! Sitush, for your great contributions to Wikipedia. You always excels at maintaining civility in the midst of contentious situations, displaying particularly fine decisions in general editing, editing ofcourse of the utmost quality, going the extra mile to be nice, without being asked. It is because of your diligence & performance of tedious tasks that makes Wikipedia a better place to be. Thanks again! - Ninney (talk) 06:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Hear hear. Thank you User:Ninney for describing User:Sitush's contributions so eloquently. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 10:01, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

- Ninney (talk) 14:07, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

You scratch my back, I will scratch yours is the motto of the so called editors who are mercilessly editing articles in the name of meeting Wiki Standards. Well good luck to all of you but it is in the best interests of Wikipedia and creation of the Encyclopedia itself if experienced editors like Sitush don't engage in “wiki-lawyering,” simply spitting the Wiki-shorthand code for the policy violated (WP:RS) at others, with little attempt to explain why he has made an error, and no attempt to offer constructive ways in which a compromise solution might be reached. They tend to be unnecessarily hostile to newcomers, or “Biting the Newbies” in Wikipedia-speak. Hope better sense prevails.. Let us all make Wikipedia a better place for the future generations not a sand pit where might of persisting in spending time on this wins over facts and content. OldRuff 13:25, 19 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldruff (talk • contribs)

@Oldruff Chill! Nobody is trying to scratch your back. We were just trying to lighten up the mood. I really appreciate the efforts taken by you for the article Sridhar Babu. If user:Sitush is reverting few of your edits the right way is to ask help from himself rather than getting into an edit war or complaining about him. We all spend our valuable time contributing to Wikipedia & hence should appreciate everyone's point of view. I had 6500+ edits in my name but has neven been in conflict with anyone nor has my page ever once humiliated. The only reason, I try to maintain harmony with every editor. Its OK if few edits of ours are reverted by someone even after providing a reliable source, try taking your points/views on article's talk page or use this Noticeboard for some help on those points by starting a separate topic. Also, the article is not Quality assessed (unassessed), focus on assessing the quality of the article, rate it, conduct peer review which encourages better articles by having contributors who may not have worked on articles to examine them and provide ideas for further improvement. You may then get more help from others. All the best! - Ninney (talk) 14:07, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, all. Ninney, wait until you get to 120,000 edits and then report again on how many conflicts you've experienced ;) - Sitush (talk) 14:43, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

@Ninney Thank you for your gracious comments. Proves that number of edits are not the key to become an acceptable and widely regarded editor, but an ability to let others also contribute and taking everyone along! You have proved with your words that Wikipedia still has got sensibly seasoned editors like you.. And that you are willing to go the extra mile to accommodate others' point of view without spewing the WP jargon. Thank you..

OldRuff 14:02, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

forth comming elections

Hi Guys as you know there is forthcomming elections , I have noticed considerable non registered users going rampage on party pages with various claim and citation with defaming or praising , would really like you to have a look at BJP, INC, NDA, UPA pages ... wonder what to consider as negative / positive or a neutral wiki material Shrikanthv (talk) 07:40, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

e.g

something like this and this

@Shrikanthv: I think semi-protection of articles which are deeply related to Political parties for a few week or more, can be a better idea. Jim Carter (talk) 20:48, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

We could all do our best to watch the pages and be vigilant. If someone would post the links to the articles here, that would be good. Then, case by case, protect if and when necessary. I think we should see substantial vandalism or edit warring from a number of IP/accounts before acting. Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:38, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Refering to what Anna said, this articles are vulnerable:

The above list includes some of the most prominent political party and some political leaders. Jim Carter (talk) 11:48, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Watching Well done. I'm watching all of those now. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:53, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/JANDWALA FATEHBAD

Hello again, editors of articles about India! This is one more of those village submissions that seem to pop up regularly. Is this one worth improving? —Anne Delong (talk) 03:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Jandwala Bagar

(ping User:Anne Delong): I have published the article, now named as Jandwala Bagar to main namespace, after verifying the village's existence using sources available online. For starters, the article would benefit from more sources and inline citations. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, NorthAmerica, that's one more off my list. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:35, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

(ping User:Anne Delong): Thanks for posting the AfC submission here, otherwise it's likely I would have never seen it. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:44, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid such articles should be declined at AfC. In spite of North America's hard work, the only thing reliably sourced in the article is the first sentence, and even that cites The Tribune Chandigarh (not the most reliable Indian newspaper) and a pincode finder. All the other statements are without any source. There is one dead link. I have added cn tags. But really, articles such as this don't belong on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a gazetteer. According to the 2001 Census of India, there are 638,000 villages in India. Are we proposing to have 638,000 one sentence pages, or worse yet, 638,000 pages each with many paragraphs of unverified random observations by the articles' main authors, at which then a small band of conscientious Wikipedians have to work hard at cleaning up. It puts an unfair burden on the editors who take their Wikipedia-related civic responsibilities seriously. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:58, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Fowler&fowler: actually, Wikipedia does function as a gazetteer, per point #1 of Wikipedia:Five pillars. Furthermore, per WP:GEOLAND, "Populated, legally-recognized places are considered notable, even if their population is very low". I would allow some time for people to verify content in the article, and if this isn't accomplished in a reasonable amount of time, then perhaps remove unsourced content. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:39, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are misinterpreting the five principles. The first sentence there does say, "It combines many features of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers. Wikipedia is not ... an indiscriminate collection of information." What information there is in an article has to be notable and reliable. Besides, it says "many features." That means, not all. An almanac has weather forecasts and other predictions for the coming year, which Wikipedia does not. As it stands you have still not been able to source anything except the first sentence, and that dubiously. What is a reasonable amount of time? The article was created in May 2011. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 08:20, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Similarly, WP:GEOLAND says immediately after what you quote: "Reliable sources that document and verify governmental recognition of a place, such as a national census, are usually adequate to establish notability." I don't see any reliable source documenting such recognition. Note also, the same author has created other pages of adjoining(?) villages: Data (Hisar) (created May 2010) and Madha, Hissar (created March 2011) both of which are unsourced in their entirety, both seem to contain the portions of same text, and both have the same picture but with different captions. The picture itself, File:Green farms of Jats in Haryana.jpg, whose caption has been added by its photographer, is of a third (entirely different) village. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 08:56, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

The article was published to main namespace on 18 March 2014 (UTC), at which time I began working on it. It's a verified populated place, so it qualifies for an article. Regarding unsourced content in the article, it takes time to source content, and it seems unreasonable to expect editors to immediately verify everything from another user's Articles for creation submission within a day. These things take time. As I said above, please consider allowing people time to work on articles, and unsourced content can always be removed (e.g. the article can be stubbified if necessary). NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:11, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Northamerica1000: It was submitted to AfC in 2011. Why was it published, when nothing in it is reliably sourced? Why was it not kept within AfC? Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:08, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I have stubbified the article. It's a verified populated place, so it qualifies for an article. Content presently in the (now stubbified) article is sourced, though it would benefit from more sources and a better source to replace the onefivenine one. Below is info. about the reliability of The Tribune, from [24]. Finis. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:06, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

“

The Tribune, now published from Chandigarh, started publication on February 2, 1881, in Lahore (now in Pakistan). It was started by Sardar Dyal Singh Majithia, a public-spirited philanthropist, and is run by a trust comprising five eminent persons as trustees.

The Tribune, the largest selling daily in North India, publishes news and views without any bias or prejudice of any kind. Restraint and moderation, rather than agitational language and partisanship, are the hallmarks of the paper. It is an independent newspaper in the real sense of the term.

The English edition apart, the 124-year-old Tribune has two sister publications, Punjabi Tribune (in Punjabi) and Dainik Tribune (in Hindi).

”

Great work! Thank you. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Honestly Great work. Jim Carter (talk) 20:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm here or are you two really seeing that as great work? It a lot of trivial BS in my opinion. Sheesh, why not tell us how much a haircut costs there? Utterly pathetic and WP:NOTNEWS. - Sitush (talk) 23:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

I did add Importance-inline and Relevance-inline tags to the two sentences in Agriculture and Infrastructure, but NorthAmerica removed them. Have to confess, I was afraid I was coming off as an ogre among the babes in the wood, so I backed off, especially as the article was stubified. I'm willing to let it remain a little longer and see if someone else can add some WP:RS. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 01:27, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Not the article I was talking about, efforts made by User:Northamerica1000 to improve an old abandoned draft was really great. He atleast tried his best to improve that draft. Although the article has some issues, yet improvement efforts were good. I have not totally seen that as a great work but I'm not mocking it either. Jim Carter ⁽^talk⁾ 11:43, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, good point. NorthAmerica did do a lot of work. I think he is someone who understands WP:RS policy and was genuinely trying to help. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:02, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 24/03

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Comprehensive history of Tummala lineage. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:43, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Qutbi Bohra

Hello All! The article has been subjected to 2 Afds before and a third one has recently started at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qutbi Bohra (3rd nomination). The crowd that comes to the discussion is all amateurs who don't understand what encyclopedia is (blunt, but truth). Some think everything thats remotely related should be stuffed in article and some think it should completely be deleted. Both previous AfDs were closed as "no consensus". Whether to keep or delete or whatever is the result of it, it surely needs to be cleaned or stubified as long as its here. Creator keeps reverting edits of other editors who remove synthesis and ORs and unsourced stuff. Am not very active these days. Hence request others to clean it and keep watch too. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Namaste and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. I have closed the AFD, chances are someone will re-open. But, they should come up with some policy based arguments. Tito☸Dutta 04:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Tito! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 18:45, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi

Hi all,
After reading a book named "Naked Ambitions" by Jad Adams (a historian), we come to know about mind-blowing facts about The Father of the Nation's sexual life. Do you think, these informations should be added to the article? Remember Jad Adams is a qualified historian (not a biographer or journalist that we can call the informations fake). At the same time I am coming to know all these details for the first time and in no other book I have read so. I am totally confused. Further comments are welcomed. RRD13 (talk) 15:03, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

@Royroydeb: is there any ISBN of that book. And frankly I haven't heard about it anywhere. I think multiple references are needed to add these type of controversial informations. Is there any reliable online sources which can help verify the informations? Jim Carter ⁽^talk⁾ 15:27, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: The ISBN of the book is 9780857381613. You can read its summary published here RRD13 (talk) 15:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Namaste Royroydeb and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. You may ask it at Talk:Mahatma Gandhi if you have not done it already. I have not read that book, but you may read Gandhi's own autobiography, specially this chapter. Only a courageous person can make such confessions — Experiment with truth --Tito☸Dutta 15:42, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

@Titodutta: An autobiography will always be written from the person's point of view. It might not always be neutral. If you read the link above, there you can find many more revelations which you have not mentioned. But if you think I am just another Gandhi hater then you are mistaken. I keep Gandhiji in high esteem. Jad Adams is a qualified historian so the source cant be deemed as unreliable. RRD13 (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Did you read the page I linked or Gandhi's autobiography? In case you did not read that chapter, read it. I read first few paragraphs of the page you referred. These are already available in Gandhi's autobiography. It seems they have collected some material from Gandhi. Tito☸Dutta 15:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

An autobiography will always be written from the person's point of view. — Not actually. Gandhi's autobiography is totally different. If you want to find Gandhi scandals and his weak points, read his own autobiography. :) --Tito☸Dutta 15:58, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Here is a Google book link if anyone is interested in a limited preview: Gandhi: Naked Ambition by Jad Adams. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 16:54, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Wohw. I didn't know that O.o Jim Carter ⁽^talk⁾ 22:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

This is not the appropriate first forum for this discussion. I have replied to @Royroydeb:'s post at Talk:Mahatma Gandhi. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission Draft:Reliance Foundation

Recently I had drafted an article about Reliance Foundation, and submitted for review & submission but due to lack in reference the the article was denied for submission and while denying the reviewer advised for adding reliable references. Later I updated the draft with reliable references by adding news articles from Times of India and economics times and again submitted for review but again the article was denied for submission for the same cause. Anyone please help me in framing the article, I would be very thankful to her/him. D Mi^™ 11:14, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Shirish B Patel

Dear India experts: This man appears to be an urban planner who is frequently in the news. Should this old Afc submission be kept instead of being deleted as a stale draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 10:59, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

It can be kept instead of deleting, but need some reformation. Logical1004 (talk) 12:32, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Now that Jim Cartar has been improving it, it won't be deleted for at least six months; it'll likely be in shape before then. Thanks to both of you. —Anne Delong (talk) 22:37, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Everything is fine with the draft but there is a problem. I need more information about him (ex-early life, personal life etc) without them I can't assure you that I can move it to mainspace. Jim Carter ⁽^talk⁾ 22:47, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Jim Carter ⁽. This article is a copy-paste from the Indian Institute for Human Settlements (IIHS), an Indian ogovernment website. So you may have to work a lot to improve it. Unfortunately I am busy, so I will be unable to help in this project. You can get the required information from the site : Shirish B. Patel info-page from IIHS. Logical1004 (talk) 22:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it is a copy-paste from this IIHS page. The IIHS terms of use make it clear that "All the content in the IIHS website is copyrighted" and that "You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work", so this is copyvio and since we cannot alter it (e.g. to wikify or copy edit it) we cannot use it. Is there any reason not to CSD (G12) this? --Stfg (talk) 23:48, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for finding this, and I apologize for wasting everyone's time by not noticing the copyright violation. I have totally rewritten the article so that it doesn't use any of the text from the website. —Anne Delong (talk) 01:15, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Good job, Anne. It looks OK to me now. Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 01:24, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Great job Anne Delong. Looks good now. Logical1004 (talk) 10:05, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Good work. But I see is a slight WP:OVERLINK there. Jim Carter ⁽^talk⁾ 10:25, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, there were a number of descriptions of engineering details that I couldn't rewrite because I don't know anything about the subject. For example, I didn't know which of the many descriptors of the "flyover" made it different from others. When in doubt I wrote something much simpler, but left the refs hoping that someone would expand on it. Some of them could be moved down into the reference section as general references if you think that they are overkill.—Comment added by User:Anne Delong. Jim Carter ⁽^talk⁾ 12:19, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 26/03

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Paravur Railway Station

—This AfC draft requires review by an experienced editor. Thank you.

FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:10, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Can someone take a look at these?

Kumauni Shri Ramcharitmanas Thupur and Mohan Chandra Joshi - there may be more. Two of these are recently created. I have some doubts about the book articles. There's also an intersection between 2 editors, may be just friends or coincidence. Dougweller (talk) 21:47, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Need help determining the notability of Challa Subrahmanyam

See Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Challa Subrahmanyam. Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:00, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Nawanagar (village)

This article was created recently from an old draft, and appeared to be developing nicely, but now it seems to have developed a NPOV problem. Can someone who knows what's suitable for Indian politicians take a look? —Anne Delong (talk) 14:58, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: I have seen the article. A possible sockpuppet (Anushumanraj312) of Talk2rajanshu (the original creator of the article) have added some materials to the article which have already been reverted by phillg88. So it's now back in the original state again. Thank you. Jim Carter ⁽^talk⁾ 02:37, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bartoli Village, Rourkela Town, Orissa State

Hello again! This Afc submission will be coming up for review shortly, but it doesn't look ready. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Will try to work on this. Thank you. Jim Carter ⁽^talk⁾ 03:50, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Karna

Someone is making major changes, completely unsourced, with weasel terms like "in another version". Can someone check if these edits should stay or go. Tito☸Dutta 04:38, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Tito

Add citation needed template and keep the page in watch list. If the citations have not been put, remove the contents that have been included without citations. Logical1004 (talk) 05:23, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

One user User:Pinkfloyd11 was very much fond of similar edits describing hows winds blew and how flowers smell and how swords clinged and blah blah.... reverted it all back now. Sourcing-unsourcing issue in mythologies is different and how much weightage the actual mythology should have in an article is different. We aren't actually writing the character but are writing about the character. Every time he sneezed and coughed need not be added. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:15, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

AfD of relevance to this board

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohan Chandra Joshi - 4 articles are bundled together in the AfD. Might be a hoax or just promotional. Dougweller (talk) 06:46, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I see this article is promotional. Jim Carter ⁽^talk⁾ 13:48, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Gurgaon

Gurgaon is another page that needs vigilant scrutiny by WT:INDIA watchers. It seems the page has been hijacked by the local chamber of commerce or editors with mind sets identical to the local chamber of commerce. Accordingly, the traditional problems of the city—inequality; pollution; water shortage; power shortage; lack of housing, sanitation, schooling for its myriad disadvantaged citizens—are glossed over in their entirety. Instead, only those topics are discussed that make it attractive to international companies looking to outsource. These topics include American fast food franchises, Barista coffee, Mark and Spenser, all listed under the subsection "Culture." I have tried to whittle down the excessive section making and added some references, but without the vigilance of other editors it will likely revert to its tourist brochure state, or rather revert back to (since it has already reverted a few times after previous NPOV interventions). Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 11:25, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

I will keep the page on my watchlist and add relevant material and remove the irrelevant one. If still these things continue we will take some serious step.--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:38, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, @Skr15081997:. I don't have much time, but I've done a few things: I've changed the "Economy" section to "Economy and inequality" (this may or may not be needed, and if the latter, you are welcome to revert to "Economy"), have added a contrasting (and likely more representative) picture. I have also added a longish quote from Abrahamson's Urban Sociology (Cambridge University Press, 2014). Could someone please paraphrase that quote? See here. There are also other sources in the References section that speak to this topic. Thanks! Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:02, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

That qoute looks an important one. You are doing good work on that article.--Skr15081997 (talk) 12:46, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merger of newly- and/or re-created articles of works by Sankar (film director) to author's article

See Talk:Sankar (film director)#Merge in Sankar's non-notable works into Sankar (film director). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:24, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Help to improve an article

Can someone help improve this article. It has more than 8 issues. Thank you. Jim Carter ⁽^talk⁾ 06:24, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I will work on the article to make it neutral.--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:08, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Jat Sikh Clans etc at AfD

Jat Sikh clans of Jalandhar Division is now at AfD. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Weird quasi-articles in user space

See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Cskumaar/Maruthuvar communitywhere I say I'm guessing someone thinks this is a real article. We also have User:Vishwagna, User:Brahmin nayee and User:Niyoginayeebramhana. all quasi articles and all edited by User182.74.141.234 (talk · contribs). Dougweller (talk) 14:10, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Move request and a new editor

Please see Talk:Aiyarika Patrulu. Came across this article after seeing a new editor asserting ownership over their edits and adding copyvio, eg at Agnivansha. Dougweller (talk) 09:24, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Dougweller you did the right thing by imposing discretionary sanctions on that editor.--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks but it's going to be up to other editors to complain if he violates them. Dougweller (talk) 15:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Sarbajit Roy

A BLP that needs eyes. A few days ago an IP allegedly (according to their edit summary) added a website to an infobox which was in fact a major change to the article that had been reverted several times before. Meat puppets or sock puppets. Dougweller (talk) 15:37, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Same film? or related??

Eyes needed please: Bang Bang (2014 film) in Bangkok vs Bang Bang Bangkok 2014. Have both these films been made? Is there some relation? In ictu oculi (talk) 19:39, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Both are different movies. Logical1004 (talk) 20:08, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Rai Foundation and Rai University

Need some more suggestions for the deletion/merging of these articles. As these articles are having notability issues and these articles are almost same and seems like an advertisement, so Neither of the articles seem to have enough reason to pass WP:N, as the point raised by User:GRUcrule. Please discuss here. Logical1004 (talk) 20:16, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to Participate in a User Study - Final Reminder

Would you be interested in participating in a user study of a new tool to support editor involvement in WikiProjects? We are a team at the University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within WikiProjects, and we are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visual exploration tool for Wikipedia. Given your interest in this Wikiproject, we would welcome your participation in our study. To participate, you will be given access to our new visualization tool and will interact with us via Google Hangout so that we can solicit your thoughts about the tool. To use Google Hangout, you will need a laptop/desktop, a web camera, and a speaker for video communication during the study. We will provide you with an Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 23:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC).

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MG Venkata Raghavan

Dear India experts: Here is an old Afc submission that was declined as being overly promotional. It's also badly sourced. It will soon be deleted as a stale draft. I am willing to remove the NPOV problems if someone can assure me that this is a notable topic. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Keep. Need to organize the article, may be someone from the field of music. Logical1004 (talk) 14:57, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I have postponed deletion of the article, and removed an amazing amount of bragging. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I will try to improve it, but will wait for someone who have some knowledge of Carnatic music. Logical1004 (talk) 17:27, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/parpodi

Hello, editors! Another old abandoned village Afc submission. I added a couple of references, but there's a lot of unsourced inforation, so it's not ready for mainspace yet. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:25, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Added in my to-do list. I will go through this and let me see if I can help here in anyway or not. Logical1004 (talk) 17:29, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Reporting Fake (History) Page(s)

I have come across a wiki page that was filled with historical inaccuracies and that was made primarily by a community/caste to help uplift their social status by the looks of it. The references provided on the page do not come from valid sources. While I was researching on the same page; I found out that the same people of that community/caste were modifying other History pages and littering Wikipedia with other invalid information from irrelevant and questionable sources. Other wiki users have attempted to talk on their page (Reddy Dynasty), but they do not listen or act upon a consensus. Here are the links that are currently under watch by them -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddy_dynasty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasireddy_Clan (A static external website is being used as a source for this link)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Chalukyas (Just the term "Vasireddy Nayaks", which I edited & removed it today)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_Raya_II#The_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakatiya_dynasty#Demise_of_the_dynasty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Andhra_Pradesh#Reddy_Dynasty

Ajan (talk) 12:25, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

'comment : seems Reddy dynasty has more write up than vijayanagara empire!! in the Andhra history Shrikanthv (talk) 12:46, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I've been (very slowly) cutting into those articles over many months. There seems to be a lot of synthesis and a lot of reliance on obscure sources, especially things such as the Journal of the Andhra Pradesh Historical Society etc. The problem is, if something has a source but you cannot see the thing and cannot get a copy then revising it becomes hunch-based. Bearing in mind the proven unreliability of one source emanating from a government-sponsored outfit in Odisha, I'm not terribly happy about using JnlAPHistSoc at all. Can anyone give some information that might support its use? - Sitush (talk) 14:10, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Sitush; What a coincidence! I just finished writing a message on your Talk page, I have you bookmarked as an Indian Wiki Helper on my stickies. I should have come here before I sought you out on your talk page. I have tried to do minor modifications on the Reddy Dynasty article, such as changing the names as per the references. Many of the names mentioned on that article are not even the same when one compares it with the different books referenced in the article itself. eg., Pulayya is mentioned as Prolaya in a few books. There are static (now dead) links as references for the same article, such as this one (http://www.rajahmundry.net/rajahmundry/history.asp#Rajamahendravaram); and other unreliable sources such as 'P.G Publishers', 'Hyderabad Publications & Newspapers' and 'Mittal Publications'. I have a list of few valid books that talk about the history of Southern India, thanks to the British Library Card. However, I have not come across any JnLAPHistSoc books on the references/bibliography of the small amount of books I have collected from the British Library. There are invalid references on a few pages, eg. The Deva Raya II article has a reference that is just "Sinopoli (2003) p 131" and, I haven't been able to find most of the books mentioned on Kakatiya Dynasty article when I searched online. For the next couple of days, I have decided to work on just the 'Kakatiya Dynasty' page with the amount of books I have collected from the library. - Ajan (talk) 2:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I have not checked all these articles. Very tired, but this is how I handle "fake/hoax" articles: Tag {{Hoax}}. If all/most of the content, take those directly to WP:AFD. --Tito☸Dutta 18:09, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Sitush. I would like to look into the matter of this source that is a government-sponsored outfit in Odisha, if you would point me in the right direction. Kenfyre (talk) 05:21, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Orphan village lists

Is there a policy regarding whether it is appropriate to "fix" orphan village pages by appending them to a list of villages in the district or other subdivision? This edit removed such a list, including many pages that are otherwise orphans. I understand that listing all the villages would be terribly long. There is also List of cities and towns in India. Is there a recommendation for orphans such as this, or is their notability simply too weak? —PC -XT + 07:44, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

All I know is this discussion Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 55#Indian and Pakistani villages took place and nothing fruitful came out of it. So there's probably no consensus over what to do with those type of articles. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:50, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I was afraid of that. Thanks for the reply. —PC -XT + 03:01, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Darkness Shines deletion of talkpage content (Rape by "militants" in Kashmir)

Darkness Shines (talk · contribs) was engaging in an edit war with other edit warriors and/or sockpuppets on the Rape in Jammu and Kashmir page. Because this looked like censorship, I opened a discussion on the talkpage. [25] But Darkness Shines deleted my talkpage comment and content. I asked him for an explanation of why the content was removed, but he has still not replied. I also asked him for an apology, but he has still not apologized.

Talk page comment by Calypsomusic:

"Why was this section removed by Darkness Shines? Is there anything wrong with the sources?"

Removed section, as posted at the talk page by Calypsomusic in addition to his comment:

"The rapes by Islamic militants have been reported since the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947. On 22 October 1947, Pashtun militants invaded Baramulla in a Pakistan army truck, and raped women including European nuns.^[2] In March 1990, Mrs. M. N. Paul, the wife of a BSF inspector was kidnapped, tortured and gang-raped for many days. Then her body with broken limbs was abandoned on a road.^[3]

On April 14, 1990, Sarla Bhat (27), a Kashmiri Pandit nurse from the Soura Medical College Hospital in Srinagar was gang-raped and then beaten to death by Islamic terrorists. Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) took responsibility for the crime, accusing Bhat of informing the police about the presence of militants in the hospital.^[4]^[5]

On 6 June 1990, Girija Tickoo, a lab assistant at the Government Girls High School Trehgam, was kidnapped and gang raped for many days. Then she was sliced at a sawmill.^[6]

Prana Ganjoo was abducted with her husband in Sopore. She was gang-raped for a number of days before the both were killed in November 1990.^[7]

Since 1991, reports of rape by Islamic miltants have increased, and there have been many cases of the militants threatening to kill the family unless a woman is handed over to the militants. According to the HRW, the rape victims of militants suffer ostracism and there is a "code of silence and fear" that prevents people from reporting such abuse. According to the HRW, the investigation of case of rape by militants is difficult because many Kashmiris are reluctant to discuss it for the fear of violent reprisals.^[4]

The increase in number of rape cases has resulted in an increased number of abortions, leading to one case of murder of doctor. The doctor was accused of being an informer by the Islamic groups Hezb-ul Mujahidin and Al Jehad.^[4]

In January 1991, Zarifa, daughter of Mohammed Sultan was forcibly asked to "marry" a militant. Her brother Bashir Ahmed was killed when the family refused, and the girl was taken away.^[3]

On 30 March 1992, armed militants demanded food and shelter from the family of the retired truck driver Sohanlal (60) in Nai Sadak, Kralkhud. The family complied, but the militants raped Sohanlal's daughter Archana. When he and his wife tried to stop them, Sohanlal was shot dead. His elderly wife was also raped. Then both the women were also shot dead.^[4]

There have been many cases of militants raping the young girls by forcing them into temporary marriages (mutah in Islamic law) - these ceremonies are called "command marriages".^[8] Shamima Ansari was forced to marry a the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen commander Farooq Ansari in Kishtwar in 2000. In 2005, a 14-year old Gujjar girl Roubia Kousar was abducted from Lurkoti village by the Lashkar-e-Taiba militants, and forced to marry one of them. She was gang-raped by her "husband" and his militant friends.^[8] In December 2005, 15-year old Zaitoon Bano of Bajoni (Doda district) was forced to marry a Hizb-ul-Mujahideen militant Nazir Ahmed, after her family was threatened with death.^[8] In 2009, a cleric Mohmmad Farooq was arrested for raping a 12-year-old girl in Poonch district.^[9]"

References for this removed section:

^ Yan 2009, p. 386.
^ Wilhelm von Pochhammer (1981). India's road to nationhood: a political history of the subcontinent. Allied Publishers. pp. 512–. ISBN 978-81-7764-715-0. Retrieved 10 March 2012.
^ ^a ^b Manoj Joshi (January 1999). The lost rebellion. Penguin Books. p. 64. ISBN 978-0-14-027846-0. Cite error: The named reference "Joshi1999" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d The Human Rights Crisis in Kashmir. Asia Watch, a division of Human Rights Watch. Lat accessed on 10 March 2012. Also published as a book: Asia Watch Committee (U.S.); Human Rights Watch (Organization); Physicians for Human Rights (U.S.) (1993). The Human rights crisis in Kashmir: a pattern of impunity. Human Rights Watch. p. 154. ISBN 978-1-56432-104-6. Retrieved 10 March 2012.
^ "19/01/90: When Kashmiri Pandits fled Islamic terror". rediff. 19 January 2005. Retrieved 10 March 2012.
^ Urvashi Butalia (2002). Speaking peace: women's voices from Kashmir. Zed Books. p. 187. ISBN 978-1-84277-209-6.
^ Ved Marwah; Centre for Policy Research (New Delhi, India). Uncivil wars: pathology of terrorism in India. HarperCollins. p. 381. ISBN 978-81-7223-251-1. {{cite book}}: |author2= has generic name (help)
^ ^a ^b ^c "Married to brutality". Deccan Herald. 25 February 2006. Retrieved 10 March 2012.
^ "Cleric arrested for raping minor". Indian Express. 26 June 2009. Retrieved 10 March 2012.

Is it allowed to delete talkpage comments? The article seems to have a history of edit-warring and sockpuppetry, but then one could as well delete the entire article since it was always full of edit-warring and was originally created by a sockpuppet (see the first edit in the article).

The policy says this is vandalism:

"Talk page vandalism

Illegitimately deleting or editing other users' comments. However, it is acceptable to blank comments constituting vandalism, internal spam, or harassment or a personal attack. It is also acceptable to identify an unsigned comment. Users are also permitted to remove comments from their own user talk pages. A policy of prohibiting users from removing warnings from their own talk pages was considered and rejected on the grounds that it would create more issues than it would solve."

--Calypsomusic (talk) 09:44, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Seems much to me like News please note wiki:news and also WP:NOTFREESPEECH and also WP:DEMOCRACY , hope fully you do not have an agenda behind the type and kind of articles and edits your are making other than contributing to wiki :) Shrikanthv (talk) 10:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Darkness Shines has explained his revertions in his edit-summaries. Start responding to those summaries, instead of complaining here - let alone demanding apologies. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

The removed section was added by User:Rebeccabrown11, a sock of User:Nitishkumartn, just like User:Panunukashmir1 and User:Ehsaaskashmir, accounts which were used to re-insert this section. But you seem to be aware of this, since you commented on the Sockpuppet investigations of Nitishkumartn. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:36, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Patton Ki Bazi

The article about this 1986 Hindi-language film is being considered for deletion. Please discuss at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patton Ki Bazi.--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:23, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Freedom of religion in India

Freedom of religion in India: article really needs attention and watchers, its importance and broad coverage make it a popular target. Just take a look at the past few months changes...whoa...I never seen so many POV-pushers from every possible side editing without restraint. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:48, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/P.B.Sharma

Here's another India-related old Afc submission that will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable professor, or should it be let go? —Anne Delong (talk) 16:28, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Anne Delong, PB Sharma is the vice chancellor of Delhi Technological University. I think after a bit of work on the draft the article can be created.--Skr15081997 (talk) 06:58, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

See existing article P. B. Sharma PamD 07:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

It was created by User:Alpha090 on 19 December,2013.--Skr15081997 (talk) 07:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

There's a draft on the same person. See Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/P. B. Sharma which has been created by User:Alpha090.--Skr15081997 (talk) 07:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for finding those other two pages! Skr15081997, I see that you have added a paragraph to the draft. Since we can't have two articles about the same person, would you mind reverting your edit and adding the information and the source to P. B. Sharma instead? Then the draft can be deleted and everything will be tidied up. —Anne Delong (talk) 11:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

There we go; all fixed up. I sure wish new editors wouldn't do these copy-paste moves, but I have to admit I did a couple myself when I first joined, before somebody clued me in. —Anne Delong (talk) 18:11, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Bohra related articles

Hello, I want to draw attention of the editors here to the Bohra related articles, Taher Saifuddin, Mohammad Burhanuddin, Mufaddal Saifuddin and Khuzaima Qutbuddin. These articles are BLP of leader of the Dawoodi Bohra community, a sect within Shia Muslims of Islam. There recently has been tremendous edit-war between SPA, POV and IP editors over the contents of the article. They just want to publicize recent succession controversy in favor of their favorite leader. Please watch-list these pages, see the respective talk pages for more details. Thank you! Anupmehra -Let's talk! 23:09, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Shri Sudhindra Thirtha

This wiki page has been created recently. The references provided here are not up-to the standard. Even one reference consists of a blog and other reference consists of the Ashram itself. Can anybody have a look here. Logical1004 (talk) 06:17, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Skr15081997, can you look into this too? Anyone? Logical1004 (talk) 20:06, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Logical1004 I had done a little work on this article earlier, But I could not found any reliable sources. Someone has moved this page to a new one.--Skr15081997 (talk) 03:18, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Skr15081997. If there are not any reliable sources, can we still proceed with the article? I think we have to see the notability of the person too in that case. On the ground of WP:N, articles and list topics must be notable, or "worthy of notice". You are doing a great work. Now the article seems to be better than the last time. But still, many references are from the single source GSB, Kashi mutt itself. And a single news can't be a basis for the whole article, the article needs to be verifiable from the third source. So should we keep this article with the template to put reliable sources or ask for deletion? As I have not enough experience on wiki, please discuss. Logical1004 (talk) 04:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Sri Sri Sudhindra Thirtha is a well known and revered pontiff of Kashi Mutt, which is one of the three Mutts of GSB Community. Pdheg (talk) 14:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

The article is moving towards some kind of advertisement, instead of a neutral article. Can anybody look into this. Also this article need some unbiased resources, other than the kashi mutt/GSB website. Logical1004 (talk) 10:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you Logical1004. The article indeed looks a bit promotional. After my edits Sanatan2014 has added the new content and had uploaded a picture. The picture is there on Commons and its details show that it is the work of the uploader but I doubt the claim.--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:44, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Skr15081997 And same thing is happening here too. For the time-being, I have added a template for independent references, and keeping the page on my watch list. Logical1004 (talk) 13:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

That page has also been created by the same user. Logical1004 I think that most of the sources provided in the latter article fail WP:RS as they are webpages of the Kashimath and GSB Konkani and not independent and reliable. You have done the right thing by adding a template for independent references.--Skr15081997 (talk) 13:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Skr15081997, The important thing is to watch these pages regularly. Earlier the template has been removed, that I put there. So have to keep these pages in watchlist. Logical1004 (talk) 13:51, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Logical1004, I understand your point that it's necessary to watch these pages but it would be more helpful if we ask Sanatan2014 who is the creator of these two articles, to provide independent sources.--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:02, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you people.Skr15081997 and Logical1004, as it is a new article to Wikipedia, I have added the best encyclopedia info about the Persons. You are correct that, I have added the Primary sources. I will re-write both articles with neutral point of view and removing any inappropriate external links. Thank you .. Regards Sanatan2014 (talk) 05:32, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I have Re-written the article in a neutral point of view and added fresh sources. also removed unreliable sources. pls verify and remove the tags Sanatan2014 (talk) 08:21, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Both the article has improved a lot from earlier version. Sanatan2014, if possible, try to give some more references other than Kashi Mutt and GSB Konkani site, to maintain its neutrality. As for now, templates from both of the articles has been removed. Logical1004 (talk) 06:27, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Ya. Will try to add more references Thank you Logical1004.. Regards Sanatan2014 (talk) 07:08, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 10/04

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kollam Port. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 00:19, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/N.S.N Palayam

Dear India experts: Is this a legitimate geographical place that should have its own article? Or is it covered under some other title? It's one of those old abandoned Afc submissions that will soon be deleted unless someone decides that it's useful. —Anne Delong (talk) 18:23, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Dear @Anne Delong, it is a legitimate geographical place. But the thing in AfC and Narasimhanaickenpalayam are same place. Hence the thing in AfC may be deleted. --βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ)^(Support) 20:20, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for checking this out. I have nominated the draft for deletion. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:34, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Puran poli and Boli (food)

Are these the same thing? Can they be merged together? Also, I would appreciate and assistance with Vazhaithandu. Thanks. Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:16, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Dear @Candleabracadabra, both are same only. The fact is Puran Poli is a popular name for the dish in Northern India, Western India and some parts of eastern India, but Boli (food) is a popular name for the same dish in Tamil Nadu (particularly the ones prepared in Kadambur, famous all over the state) and Kerala. Hence contents of Boli (food), copied and pasted in a new section at Puran Poli and finally be merged placing relevant merge templates in the concerned talk pages.

Vazhaithandu (a tamil equivalent word for plaintain stem) may be merged with Cooking plantain, before important contents and references be placed at destination page, also placing relevant merge templates in the concerned talk pages. Preferably notify article creators of relevant pages. --βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ)^(Support) 21:09, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. In the case of vazhaithandu I think it should stay independent. It can be mentioned in the main article, but that article is already getting bloated with individual dishes that are covered in their own articles. Take care and thanks again. Candleabracadabra (talk) 21:15, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

List of English words of Dravidian origin

I have proposed that List of English words of Malayalam origin, List of English words of Tamil origin, and List of English words of Telugu origin be merged into a new article, List of English words of Dravidian origin. Discussion is at Talk:List of English words of Malayalam origin#Merge discussion. Comments from contributors to this WikiProject are welcome. Cnilep (talk) 06:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Really would not suggest such a measure, as the terming the above languges as "Dravidian" is not common Shrikanthv (talk) 12:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Good move @Cnilep. Should be merged, as all these languages including Kannada are of Dravidian origin. May be in tabulated form words from malayalam, tamil, telugu, kannada or any other can be distinguished within single article. --βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ)^(Support) 08:48, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rajvarhan Sinha IPS

Dear editors: Here's an old Afc submission about an Indian police officer that needs some work. There are many references to this person in the media. Is this a notable topic, and should the page be saved and improved instead of being deleted as a stale draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 14:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Indeed there's scope for improvement with the present list of citations. It may not be deleted until it gets a definite shape. --βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ)^(Support) 16:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

GA reassessment

Sri Aurobindo, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. - Sitush (talk) 19:06, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Gulzar - Dadasaheb Phalke Award

Hi, I have nominated Gulzar for front page ITN section and on Wikipedia: ITN/C people supported it but there are urgent need of improvements to make it appear on front page. Issues are discussed on Wikipedia: ITN/C#April 12, please help. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 09:28, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Assistance needed at the Help desk about an issue involving caste/class

As I understand it issues about caste or social class can be very contentious, so I'm requesting editors with the necessary experience to please comment at WP:Help desk#OBJECTION FOR PUTTING US IN SHUDRA VARNA. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:55, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Kerala Press Academy

The article on Kerala Press Academy has been flagged (in January) as in need of additional citations for verification. It has only one Reference and three External Links, and currently two of those four sources are dead links (404). Someone in this project may want to have a look at that. --Thnidu (talk) 12:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Shikari Devi

Dear India experts: The above old Afc submission will soon be deleted as a stale draft unless someone takes an interest in it and improves the references. Is this a notable topic? If so, please feel free to work on it. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sanghakkali

Hello again! Here is an old Afc submission about a folk dance. Is this a notable dance, and should the article be kept instead of being deleted as a stale draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 03:14, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Press Information Bureau photographs

The Indian govt's Press Information Bureau has the following terms of use. The copyright policy for photographs is:

Material featured on this website may be reproduced free of charge and there is no need for any prior approval for using the content. The permission to reproduce this material shall not extend to any third-party material. Authorisation to reproduce such material must be obtained from the departments/copyright holders concerned. The material must be reproduced accurately and not used in a derogatory manner or in a misleading context. Wherever the material is being published or issued to others, the source must be prominently acknowledged.

Does this mean we can upload these images on Wikipedia/Commons as public domain (or some other free licence)?—indopug (talk) 05:50, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

I think the material can be used under CC-SA 3.0 licence, but you must consult an admin for accurate info. You should talk to Yunshui.Skr15081997 (talk) 07:37, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Dahiya

A lot of stuff was just removed (by an editor I'm concerned about), but what is left is unsourced. Isn't this a Jat tribe? As for being Rajput, is that right? Just saw 36 royal races which seems relevant. Dougweller (talk) 15:35, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Gagron Fort

Should this be a redirect to Hill Forts of Rajasthan? See [26]. Dougweller (talk) 15:37, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 17/04

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Comprehensive history of Tummala lineage. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 21:05, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Trolling at AIMIM page

Could more editors put All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen on their watchlist? Apart from needing clean-up of language etc, the article receives steady visits from a disruptive anon IP user has discreetly changes the election results, seemingly trying to inflate them. --Soman (talk) 09:00, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Soman, I have put the page on my watchlist and will work on it.--Skr15081997 (talk) 12:14, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. --Soman (talk) 12:24, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Pather Panchali FAC

The article Pather Panchali is a featured article cadidate now. Please provide feedback in the FAC page. Thanks.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:28, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Reminder: Chief Ministers of Karnataka FLC

The Chief Ministers of Karnataka FLC has languished for over a month and a half with barely a couple of responses. Any feedback there will be appreciated. Thanks.—indopug (talk) 14:40, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

New editor

Just reverted Sandesh Saboo (talk · contribs) at 4 articles. Not sure if they can cope here, maybe with a mentor, but more eyes will be useful. Dougweller (talk) 08:56, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

'Right To Recall' and related articles

Three connected articles, all based on primary sources, all relating to legal proposals for India, from what I can make of them. Is any of this actually notable? I was tempted to AfD them immediately, but I thought it might be worth asking here first, as Google seems to throw up some possible sources, though it is far from clear whether they are referring to the same subject. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:56, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kondajji

Dear India experts: Here's another of these little Afc submissions about Indian villages. It needs work, but it does have a couple of references. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:44, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Arvind Kejriwal - Time Top 100 Influential Person of the Year.

Please Guide me how I add this Info and Please also guide me am I quoting the right information as given in this Source . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.56.234.154 (talk) 23:01, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

And who are you? Please sign.

You may not add any such Indian newspaper summary of Time magazine's readers' poll of the 100 most influential people. Let me emphasize again: it is an online readers' poll, not Time magazine's own list. Kejriwal's elevated numbers are simply a reflection of the well-heeled, internet-savvy, Indian middle class which is voting for him online in large numbers. The significantly larger Indian underclass of tea-sellers and poor farmers who toil unsung across the land, are not participating in this poll. No one outside India is paying attention either. Time magazine will come out with its own list on April 24. Until that time, in a heated election season, you may not add any premature interpretation. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 06:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Reliability of myneta.info

myneta.info has been used in 150+ instances on enwiki as reference or external link. I doubt its reliability. Just like IMDb, i have seen two profiles of some not-so-popular politicians. Like one with Firstname Surname and another with Firstname Middlename Surname. Their disclaimer also reads thus: "The primary source for the data used for these reports is the sworn affidavits provided by the candidates themselves. Sheer volume of data that has to be read from the affidavits that are often poorly scanned and the lightening speed at which these reports have to be brought out makes it quite difficult to ensure accuracy of every bit of data. In case of any discrepancy in our reports vis a vis the original affidavit of any candidate, the original affidavit should be considered accurate. If you notice any discrepancies between affidavit and our report kindly let us know and we will fix them on our end as soon as possible."
Please refrain from using this site as a source. I would suggest that you look for the info in there but only bring it on WP when another RS has backed it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:07, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

WP:AN discussion

The input from editors from this project is welcome at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive261#Curious pattern of very similar edits on Indian villages articles. Fram (talk) 06:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

[FOOTNOTEYan2009386-1] Yan 2009, p. 386.

[Pochhammer1981-2] Wilhelm von Pochhammer (1981). India's road to nationhood: a political history of the subcontinent. Allied Publishers. pp. 512–. ISBN 978-81-7764-715-0. Retrieved 10 March 2012.

[Joshi1999-3] Manoj Joshi (January 1999). The lost rebellion. Penguin Books. p. 64. ISBN 978-0-14-027846-0. Cite error: The named reference "Joshi1999" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[HumanRightsCrisis-4] The Human Rights Crisis in Kashmir. Asia Watch, a division of Human Rights Watch. Lat accessed on 10 March 2012. Also published as a book: Asia Watch Committee (U.S.); Human Rights Watch (Organization); Physicians for Human Rights (U.S.) (1993). The Human rights crisis in Kashmir: a pattern of impunity. Human Rights Watch. p. 154. ISBN 978-1-56432-104-6. Retrieved 10 March 2012.

[rediff_2005-5] "19/01/90: When Kashmiri Pandits fled Islamic terror". rediff. 19 January 2005. Retrieved 10 March 2012.

[Butalia2002-6] Urvashi Butalia (2002). Speaking peace: women's voices from Kashmir. Zed Books. p. 187. ISBN 978-1-84277-209-6.

[MarwahIndia)1997-7] Ved Marwah; Centre for Policy Research (New Delhi, India). Uncivil wars: pathology of terrorism in India. HarperCollins. p. 381. ISBN 978-81-7223-251-1. {{cite book}}: |author2= has generic name (help)

[married-to-brutality-8] "Married to brutality". Deccan Herald. 25 February 2006. Retrieved 10 March 2012.

[9] "Cleric arrested for raping minor". Indian Express. 26 June 2009. Retrieved 10 March 2012.

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Dr Naval Viyogi: Nagas the Ancient Rulers of India

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Sammakka Saralamma Jatara

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