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{{Planvand|Heroína (1820)}}--· [[Usuario_Discusión:ProfesorFavalli|<span style="color:#133900; font: Palatino">''Favalli''</span>]] ⟡ 00:38 16 mar 2015 (UTC)

== RE: ==

Hi, I know all about both users, but that is the German Wikipedia; please, this problem about Discasto/Ecemaml doesn't belong to Spanish Wikipedia. If you want a crosswiki solution, you must report via [[Meta-Wiki]]. The Spanish Wikipedia administrators acts only locally. So, please don't extend a problem here. Thanks. '''[[Usuario:Taichi|Taichi]] [[Usuario Discusión:Taichi|〒]]''' 20:42 16 mar 2015 (UTC)

== HMS Invincible ==

Hello "Wee Curry Monster". I am the author of the article «[[Ataque al HMS Invincible]]» (''attack on HMS Invincible''). You are slandering me by saying that I wrote the article in a one-sided way. Please don't do it again. Also, you ended his message with “Hasta la vista, baby”. Again, please, don't do this again. Otherwise, I will be forced to report it.

At Wikipedia we are guided by a policy of writing based on the sources we have available. I do the best I can. Whit regards.--[[Usuario Discusión:Malvinero10|Mlv10]] [[Archivo:Roundel of Argentina.svg|20px]] 21:15 17 ago 2020 (UTC)

: PD: ¿Do you write Spanish?--[[Usuario Discusión:Malvinero10|Mlv10]] [[Archivo:Roundel of Argentina.svg|20px]] 21:23 17 ago 2020 (UTC)

::If you're claiming it as your own work, you did write the article in a one sided way, if you'd been guided by reliable sources you wouldn't have done so.  I commented on content not the author.  [[Usuario:Wee Curry Monster|Wee Curry Monster]] ([[Usuario Discusión:Wee Curry Monster|discusión]]) 22:38 17 ago 2020 (UTC)

::: Mister, I am practically the sole user in this wiki that edits articles about the Argentine military in the Malvinas (or Falklands). I can assure you that the Invincible thing has been no-neutral beceasue is one of the works that I had retarded. I have wrote about another actions like (for example) the [[Bombardeo del monte Dos Hermanas|bombing of Two Sisters]], and I do not write it saying that Generals Moore and Thompson were about to die as Infobae says.
::: May I ask you: Do you have British sources about the 30th May operation?--[[Usuario Discusión:Malvinero10|Mlv10]] [[Archivo:Roundel of Argentina.svg|20px]] 03:16 18 ago 2020 (UTC)

::::[https://elpais.com/diario/1982/07/12/internacional/395272804_850215.html?fbclid=IwAR3ID0GSIo-sNgMbdZLku5t0EUNqWIc75b8uVbdPz9gj3u3ydXQIp1-kT7c] Here's a Spanish one for starters, El Pais, from 11 July 1982.  You might try the photo collection from the IWM, www.iwm.org, you might try Quora [https://www.quora.com/Did-Argentina-sink-or-damage-HMS-Invincible-in-the-Falklands-War], but from the english wiki complete with sources.

{{cquote|On 30 May, two Super Étendards, one carrying Argentina's last remaining air-launched Exocet, escorted by four [[Douglas A-4 Skyhawk|A-4C Skyhawks]] each with two 500lb bombs, took off to attack ''Invincible''.<ref name="FreedmanUK)2005">{{cite book|author1=Lawrence Freedman|author2=Lawrence (King's College London Freedman, University of London UK)|author3=Professor of War Studies Lawrence Freedman, Sir|title=The Official History of the Falklands Campaign: War and diplomacy|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=BEjOdVzx9UcC|year=2005|publisher=Psychology Press|isbn=978-0-7146-5207-8|page=545}}</ref>  Argentine intelligence had sought to determine the position of the carriers from analysis of aircraft flight routes from the task force to the islands.<ref name="FreedmanUK)2005"/>  However, the British had a standing order that all aircraft conduct a low level transit when leaving or returning to the carriers to disguise their position.<ref name="Pook2008">{{cite book|author=Jerry Pook|title=RAF Harrier Ground Attack: Falklands|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=xuskCwAAQBAJ|date=15 June 2008|publisher=Pen and Sword|isbn=978-1-84884-556-5|page=132}}</ref>  This tactic compromised the Argentine attack, which focused on a group of escorts 40 miles south of the main body of ships.<ref name="Morgan2007">{{cite book|author=David Morgan|title=Hostile Skies|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=wDtxAAAACAAJ|year=2007|publisher=Phoenix|isbn=978-0-7538-2199-2|page=240}}</ref> Two of the attacking Skyhawks<ref name="Morgan2007"/> were shot down by [[Sea dart missile|Sea Dart]]s fired by [[HMS Exeter (D89)|HMS Exeter]],<ref name="FreedmanUK)2005"/> with HMS ''Avenger'' claiming to have shot down the missile with her 4.5" gun (although this claim is disputed).<ref name="Southby-Tailyour2014">{{cite book|author=Ewen Southby-Tailyour|title=Exocet Falklands: The Untold Story of Special Forces Operations|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=kY_PBQAAQBAJ&pg=PT238|date=2 April 2014|publisher=Pen and Sword|isbn=978-1-4738-3513-9|pages=238–}}</ref>  No damage was caused to any British vessels.<ref name="FreedmanUK)2005"/> During the war Argentina claimed to have damaged the ship and continues to do so to this day,<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.fuerzaaerea.mil.ar/conflicto/dias/may30c.html |title=- Fuerza Aérea Argentina |publisher=www.fuerzaaerea.mil.ar |accessdate=2009-02-26 |language=Spanish |url-status=dead |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20090428105838/http://www.fuerzaaerea.mil.ar/conflicto/dias/may30c.html |archivedate=28 April 2009 |df=dmy-all }}</ref> although no evidence of any such damage has been produced or uncovered.<ref>{{cite news |title=Argentine Airpower in the Falklands War: An Operational View |work=Air and Space Power Journal |publisher=Federal Information and News Dispatch, Inc. |date=2002-08-20}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/Exocet.html |title=Argentine Aircraft in the Falklands |accessdate=2009-02-25 |url-status=dead |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20090223051413/http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/Exocet.html |archivedate=23 February 2009 |df=dmy-all }}</ref>}}}

::::[http://sowethereyet.blogspot.com/2012/05/30-may-1982-life-changing-day.html] eye witness account of a Lynx pilot who saw the attack
::::[https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/977203/falklands-war-argentina-uk-hms-invincible-gerardo-isaac] Fairly angry article, British service personnel describe anyone who exaggerates their service as a "bloater", only one down from a "Walt" in terms of contempt.
::::[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/admiral-sir-hugo-white-commander-who-fought-off-exocet-attacks-during-the-falklands-war-and-was-9588010.html] Obituary for the captain of HMS Avenger
::::Some of the stuff in that article is just a flat out lie, whoever originally wrote it just made it up.  The air group on Invincible was just as active on 1 June as it had been on 30 May.  That was the day that Sharky Ward shot down a C-130.  [[Usuario:Wee Curry Monster|Wee Curry Monster]] ([[Usuario Discusión:Wee Curry Monster|discusión]]) 07:37 18 ago 2020 (UTC)

Your other article is also wrong.  No British aircraft were lost on June 13, the bombs landed harmlessly in a field and there was little return fire as the Argentine aircraft achieved almost totally surprise.  Almost a text book attack except they missed everything.  [[Usuario:Wee Curry Monster|Wee Curry Monster]] ([[Usuario Discusión:Wee Curry Monster|discusión]]) 07:45 18 ago 2020 (UTC)

:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS8y-JUmxyk Here] is a a rather special video that can be dated precisely, it documents the hand over of HMS Invincible to HMS Illustrious.  It can only be August 1982 as HMS Invincible has yet to be equipped with the Phalanx CIWS, HMS Illustrious was fitted with Phalanx during fitting out (as it happens my dad was on board Lusty finishing her off on the voyage down).  The only other Invincible class carrier HMS Ark Royal was still under construction at the time.  You'll note not one scratch. [[Usuario:Wee Curry Monster|Wee Curry Monster]] ([[Usuario Discusión:Wee Curry Monster|discusión]]) 09:47 18 ago 2020 (UTC)

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:::: Thank you very much. I will fix everything. I you want help in this wiki, call me. With regards.--[[Usuario Discusión:Malvinero10|Mlv10]] [[Archivo:Roundel of Argentina.svg|20px]] 17:24 18 ago 2020 (UTC)

== 12th June attacks ==

Good evening. It's me again. Triying fix this articles.

I will merge ''[[Bombardeo del monte Dos Hermanas]]'' with ''[[Bombardeos del monte Kent]]'' (this one I created for the Canberras B.MK.62 bombings). Since you show me that the raid in 12th June 1982 actually missed, the article himself it's useless. I'm aware of the lack of sources about the 0K of British aircraft but surely Smith's book will cover that. With regards.--[[Usuario:Malvinero10|Malvinero10]] ([[Usuario Discusión:Malvinero10|discusión]]) 02:08 30 ago 2020 (UTC)

: Correction: I was meaning 13th June.--[[Usuario:Malvinero10|Malvinero10]] ([[Usuario Discusión:Malvinero10|discusión]]) 02:20 30 ago 2020 (UTC)

::Which book please?  I've found this site to be 100% accurate, the original author is now sadly deceased but his work was very well researched.  [https://www.naval-history.net/F63-Falklands-British_aircraft_lost.htm] [[Usuario:Wee Curry Monster|Wee Curry Monster]] ([[Usuario Discusión:Wee Curry Monster|discusión]]) 23:17 2 sep 2020 (UTC)

::: This book: {{Cita libro|título=Battle atlas of the Falklands War, by land, sea and air|apellidos=Smith|nombre=Gordon|año=1989|editorial=Naval-History.Net|isbn=9781847539502|idioma=en}} Grettings.--[[Usuario:Malvinero10|Malvinero10]] ([[Usuario Discusión:Malvinero10|discusión]]) 13:40 28 oct 2020 (UTC)