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==Unexplained deletions==
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I have restored two external links that were deleted without explanation. It is best to explain deletions in the edit summary or here.&mdash;[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 22:04, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


==Flagged for cleanup==
There is no verifiable information about Season 11, 12, 13 or later available at present.
An anonymous editor has made some useful additions with unusual spelling and grammar. I lack the time to fix this now. Could some helpful gnome have a go?&mdash;[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 07:57, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)


I have flagged this for cleanup again. The article doesn't seem to be entirely certain if it is for the TV show or televesion series, there is very little explanation of the show before the huge table of characters, and things just seem generally cluttered. [[User:Directorstratton|DirectorStratton]] 03:22, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
If you add false, unverifiable information to this article about these seasons you will be BLOCKED from editing all Wikipedia articles.


== Clairvoyance ==
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I've just removed this from the article:
| show_name = Thomas & Friends
:" In [[2007]], a semi-sequel called ''Magic Railroad'' will be released directly to video/DVD (''[[Engines Can Do It]]'')."
| image = [[Image:TV_thomas_the_tank_engine_screenshot.jpg]]
It's changed release date and title, and aside from the uncertainty, it lacks a source, and looks two years into the future. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda;
| caption = [[Thomas the Tank Engine]]
I can tell you something right now! The aforementioned"[[Engines Can Do It]]" Movie Is FAKE! And until I get some concrete proof, I mean sources, dates, names, engines, I am going to continue to say it's FAKE! (That is all!)
| format = [[Children's television series]]
&Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</font>)]] 14:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
| runtime = five minutes (season 1-7) seven minutes (season 8-10)
| creator = [[Wilbert Vere Awdry]]<br>[[Britt Allcroft]]
| starring = [[Thomas the Tank Engine]] and Friends
| narrated = [[Ringo Starr]] (1984&ndash;86)<br> [[Michael Angelis]] (1991&ndash; (UK series)) <br> [[George Carlin]] (1991&ndash;98 (U.S. series))<br> [[Alec Baldwin]] (1998&ndash;2003 (U.S. series))<br> [[Michael Brandon]] (2004&ndash; (U.S. series))
| country = {{UK}}
| network = {{flagicon|United Kingdom}} [[ITV]] (1984-1991), [[Cartoon Network]] (1995-2001), [[Nick Jr.]], [[Noggin]] and [[Tiny Pop]]<br/>
{{flagicon|United States}} [[PBS]]
{{flagicon|Australia}} [[Australian Broadcasting Corporation|ABC]]<br/>
{{flagicon|Japan}} [[Tokyo MX]]<br/>
{{flagicon|Brazil}} [[Rede Manchete]], <br/>
{{flagicon|Canada}} [[TVOntario|TVO]], [[BBC Kids]], [[Treehouse TV]]<br/>
{{flagicon|Germany}} [[RTL]]<br/>
{{flagicon|Italy}} [[Rai Due]], [[Rai Tre]]<br/>
{{flagicon|Malaysia}} [[RTM2 (Malaysia)|RTM2]], [[Astro Ceria]]<br/>
{{flagicon|Mexico}} [[XHIMT-TV|Azteca 7]], [[XHDF-TV|Azteca 13]], [[XHTVM-TV|Proyecto 40]]<br/>
{{flagicon|Netherlands}} [[Yorin]]<br/>
{{flagicon|Norway}} [[Norsk Rikskringkasting|NRK 1]]<br />
{{flagicon|Philippines}} [[3ABN]]<br/>
{{flagicon|Poland}} [[TV4 (Poland)|TV4]]<br/>
| first_aired = [[1984]]
| last_aired = [[Present (time)|Present]]
| num_episodes = 275
|}}
火車頭日記是在1984年首先是廣播的一英國的孩子的電視系列。


== an xplained deletion ==
系列是上基準軌道Series ，系列書創造在旁應尊敬的Wilbert Ｖ。
Deleted this sentence as not being relevent to the TV series.
Awdry 。
<blockquote>In 1987, Awdry and his brother George published ''The Island of Sodor'', a book detailing the full history of the railways of Sodor.</blockquote>
他們處理一群subanthropomorphised火車的投機和生活靠Sodor的虛構的島的路交通工具。
書是基準的上故事Awdry告訴招待他的在他的當中的兒子克理斯多福從麻疹的恢復。
許多故事是在從Awdry的事件的人稱代名詞經驗上面基準。
在1980當中電視權力是被賣給的Britt Allcroft和她開始生產系列。
它在1984在英國初次公演。
表演已經被以Ringo Starr 說故事，麥克Angelis ，喬治 Carlin ， Alec Baldwin 和麥克Brandon 。


apologies for the large number of small edits. -- [[User:Doldrums|Doldrums]] 19:37, 9 August 2005 (UTC)


==merge proposal==
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There are a huge number of articles now on characters who have appeared in one or two episodes only. I feel they would be better merged into just a few articles. Feel free to suggest better names for the merged articles. Which article belongs where should be obvious from the main article. I have not marked any of the proposed articles as there are probably about 50 of them!
Many businesses have been eager to cash-in on the world-wide popularity of the series. 'Thomas'-themed merchandise has appeared in almost every form imaginable, from books and magazines, through vast series of models, to duvet covers, cutlery, soft drinks and even spaghetti shapes.
*[[Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)]] - list all, but use a ''main article'' link for Thomas, Gordon, Percey, etc. Include engines from all the different railways, but in separate sections.
*[[Rolling stock (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)]], including coaches. [[Annie and Clarabel]] deserve their own article, the others imho don't.
*[[People and animals (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)]] - Sir Topham Hatt, [[The Fat Controller]], deserves his own article.
*<s>[[Road vehicles (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)]]</s>
*<s>[[Air, water and construction vehciles (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)]]</s>
**[[Non-rail vehicles (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)]].
I don't think anything else merits an entry beyond an list item. Even many that would fit in the above categories don't need anything more. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] 23:45, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


On the lists: What do the * signify next to some names? I see no explanation.<br>
[[Heritage railways]] have also benefitted from the series. "Days Out With Thomas" events, where passengers are given the chance to ride on full-size trains pulled by Thomas or his friends, provide a considerable source of income, without which many such railways would struggle to survive.
I see the fat controller. Does the thin controller not appear in the series?
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==Format and Animation==
:The * indicates that the character is from the film only, not the TV series. It did say that somewhere. There is no "thin controller", only a fat one. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] 22:27, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Each episode consists of a five-minute (seasons 1-7) or seven-minute (season 8 onwards) story, told by a narrator.


Mergr proposal sounds good. If there's enough material to support a decent sized article, leave it be, but merge the rest into the lists proposed. I think you could get away woth merging the last two suggestions into a combined list, something like '''Non-railway/locomotive vehicles'''. [[User:Saberwyn|Saberwyn]] 03:46, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
The series is [[animation|animated]] using live-action models, seen at the time of first production as the most effective way of realising the stories without the cost and expense of conventional animation. The locomotives and other vehicles move, but people and animals are generally static. [[Stop-motion]] is generally used for instances in which a human or animal character is seen to move. In recent seasons, [[Computer-generated imagery|CGI]] has been used to generate smoke and other effects.
*Good idea, I've made the change above. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] 18:31, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


=== engines vs. locomotives ===
The use of a narrator removes the need to make characters' mouths move when they speak. However, their eyes do move by use of remote controlled mechanisms. The characters' faces are sculpted from foam rubber. Each character has several different faces to convey different emotions.


Personally I think the way forward is to do a similar thing to the [[List of Discworld characters]] articles. Major characters (for example [[Rincewind]], [[The Luggage]]) have their own articles, linked from the list. The rest are listed in [[Minor Discworld characters]].
The models were initially built to a scale of 10 millimetres to the foot (known in [[model railway]] circles as "[[Gauge 1]]"). They used chassis made by [[Marklin]] with specially made bodies. As well as the eye mechanisms, these bodies also include smoke generators. Coaches and trucks were made using Tenmille kits. Models were later constructed entirely from scratch.


Assuming this was done I would query the particlar choice of name for the article. The use of the term "engine" is depracated in favour of "[[locomotive]]". A steam locomotive such as ''[[Thomas the Tank Engine|Thomas]]'' has two "engines" - each piston and associated [[valve gear]] which drives the wheels is an "engine" in its own right. A diesel locomotive contains one or more diesel engines which power the locomotive. ''[[Daisy the Diesel Rail-Car]]'' for example has two "engines" but is not a locomotive but a [[multiple unit]].
From Season 5 onwards, some larger scale models were used for the [[Skarloey Railway|narrow gauge]] characters, in order to make it easier to fit the complex mechanisms into them while retaining a sufficient level of detail. In Season 6, the characters known as "the Pack" (construction machines) were also constructed to a large scale, and large models of [[Thomas the Tank Engine|Thomas]] and [[Percy the Small Engine|Percy]] were made to interact with them. Beginning with the ninth season, the Thomas model also interacted with the narrow gauge engines. It was joined by a large version of [[James the Red Engine|James]] in the tenth season.


There is also the fact that some characters appear only in [[The Railway Series]], the original books by [[W.V. Awdry|Rev. W Awdry]], some appear only in [[Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends]], the [[television program|TV Series]]. Some, but not all, appear in both.
==Series history==
For the first two seasons, the series was closely based on stories from [[the Railway Series]]. The first season took stories from the first eight books, along with one specially written by the [[Wilbert Vere Awdry|Rev. W. Awdry]], ''Thomas's Christmas Party''.


I think any article of this type would need to use the term "[[character]]s" because some characters are coaches, trucks, road vehicles, and even people and animals.
The second season took stories from Book 9 (''[[Edward the Blue Engine]]'') to Book 30 (''More About [[Thomas the Tank Engine]]''). This last book was unusual, in that it was written specifically by [[Christopher Awdry]] in order to be adapted for the series, as a contractual obligation of the series at that time was that it could not create original stories that had not previously appeared in print. The series also adapted a story from a Thomas Annual, 'Thomas and Trevor', and an especially written stand-alone story, ''Thomas and the Missing Christmas Tree''. Many fans consider this to be the "golden age" of Thomas.


Anyone wishing to browse a list of those characters which are locomotives could use [[:Category:Fictional locomotives]].
The third season was a combination of episodes derived from the Railway Series, from stories in the Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends magazine and wholly original work. There were two primary reasons for diverging from the original books. The first was that many of the books not yet adapted featured large numbers of new characters, and so would be expensive to produce. The second was that the producers wanted more stories centring on [[Thomas the Tank Engine|Thomas]], the nominal main character. These new stories caused controversy, with the Rev. W. Awdry complaining that the new stories were unrealistic and not true to the spirit of the books (see [[Henry the Green Engine]] for more details on this).


:-=#&nbsp;[[User:AmosWolfe|Amos E Wolfe]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:AmosWolfe|talk]]</sup>&nbsp;#=- 15:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Prior to the fourth season, a number of accusations of [[sexism]] were levelled against the series. Among these was a complaint that the series was short of [[female]] characters. To counter this, the producers promised that new female characters would appear in the next series. This series was almost entirely based on the Railway Series. The [[narrow gauge]] engines were introduced, greatly increasing the number of stories that could be produced. Only one original story was used, namely 'Rusty to the Rescue', but this took certain elements of plot and dialogue from the book ''Stepney the "Bluebell" Engine''.


===Merge article name===
The fifth season was a radical departure, as it was entirely original. Some fans consider the series from here on to be an entirely separate continuity from the Railway Series. This season saw the introduction of new characters and more action-packed storylines.


I posted this on [[User_talk:Thryduulf]] but I now see he invited replies here. On some (quite a few?) TTE-related articles you have put a tag to merge into a new article "Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)". There is a problem. Your title really rather strongly implies the TV series but many of these characters also appear in [[The Railway Series]]. The authors of that article seem to have been very careful to list only the characters that appear in the books, not the extras brought in for TV. I suspect the book readers might not like your proposed article title though I expect an acceptable title could be found, maybe a rediect would help. Each character would probably need to be designated according to its provenance (this ought to be case now but it has often been done incorrectly). I've commented to you here because otherwise the discussion would be very distributed! [[User:Thincat|Thincat]] 14:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Following this season, the film '[[Thomas and the Magic Railroad]]' was released. It featured only a small number of characters from the television series and was rather more fantasy based. Despite high production values and the popularity of Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends, the movie was criticised for being confusing, badly written, poorly directed, poorly acted and not true to the spirit of either the Railway Series or the television adaptation by UK audiences. It was well received by young children at whom it was aimed and made $16 million at the box office; however, no reference to the film has ever been made in the television series. New episodes that had been written by Britt Allcroft and director David Mitton were from then on scripted by hired-in writers.
:I think the problem is there is no ideal title - (The Railway Series) restricts it to the books. I'm not set on the titles I suggested, they were just the best that I coudl come up with - if you can improve on them by all means please do so! [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] 15:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
::The TV Series has gone in a different direction to the Railway Series. For example, the Awdrys would never have thought of Henry as the tree-loving engine he is in the TV Series. As such, the two should really be kept separate.


I have spent considerable time organising the Railway Engines page (a process which is continuing). You will notice that Railway Series characters have been removed, and character profiles standardised. In my mind, a separate article should be created for Railway Series characters. [[User:Gonzerelli|Gonzerelli]] 08:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
The sixth and seventh seasons continued the policy of action-packed storylines and new characters. The sixth season was notable for its attempt to create a [[spin-off]] series. In this sixth season, two episodes were produced centering around a group of new characters known as 'The Pack'. These were construction machines, and it has been speculated that this was an attempt to cash in on the success of [[Bob the Builder]]. The spin-off never materialised, and as the models of the Pack were incompatible with the other characters in the series (having been built to a larger scale), they have not been seen in the series since. However, they have recently appeared in a straight-to-video spin-off release called ''[[On Site with Thomas]]''.


== Song Lyrics ==
Starting Season 7, the title was shortened to ''Thomas & Friends''.


Someone has entered the lyrics for a number of songs but little else. To no avail, I asked that editor to tidy things up. So I have followed [[Wikipedia:Copyright_problems|copyright violation procedure]]. I didn't want to meddle with the back links, but I thought editors of this page might want to delink the following pages. --[[User:William Pietri|William Pietri]] 23:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Following Season 7, a number of very significant changes took place. The series was taken over by [[HIT Entertainment]] (the owners of [[Bob the Builder]]). Episode length was increased from five to seven minutes, and a new theme tune was composed. The number of characters was greatly reduced, with stories focusing on [[Thomas the Tank Engine|Thomas]], [[Edward the Blue Engine|Edward]], [[Henry the Green Engine|Henry]], [[Gordon the Big Engine|Gordon]], [[James the Red Engine|James]], [[Percy the Small Engine|Percy]], [[Toby the Tram Engine|Toby]] and [[Emily (Thomas the Tank Engine)|Emily]]. Following complaints from parent action groups concerning the number of accidents in the series, the stories' emphasis was moved from action to character, with episodes generally focusing upon morals.


* [['Thomas Anthem']]
This change from adventure to morale has not been received well by some Thomas fans, who claimed that the show was turning into another patronizing and overly simple preschooler program, and that HIT's writers have tampered with the characters' personalities and the nature of the storylines, making the series very dry and unlikeable.
* [['Every Cloud has a Silver Lining']]
* [['Surprises' Song]]
* [['Busy' Song]]
* [['Try to do things Better' Song]]


== Songs List ==
Shortly before the release of Series 9, a straight-to-video film, '[[Calling All Engines]]', was brought out. This featured characters from 'Thomas and the Magic Railroad', but was not a sequel as such. It received a far better reception than the earlier film, and HIT are thought to be considering the possibility of similar specials in the future.


The songs "That's what friends are for" and "Rules and Regulations" are for the Series 4 category, as that is when they were realeased, but only on a cassette. They have not had videos made for them. -- [[User:Skarloey|Skarloey]] 13:16, 17 January 2006.
Series 9 and 10 featured the introductions of new characters, as well as returns of several older ones. The show format generally remained the same as Series 8. Season 10, which is currently being broadcast, became the first season to ever feature 28 episodes, as opposed to the standard 26 episodes per season.


== Hello ==
==Characters from the series==


Hi, I'm new here. By the way, I have noticed many of the 'rolling stock' and 'coaches' articles have been removed from the main page. Why? And could someone put them back please? Another thing, Bertram the Old Warrior's picture is unavailable for viewing being of Tripod's silly logo. Could someone please put it on the page? I don't know how to.--[[User:Thomasfan|Thomasfan]] 14:19 6th December 2005 (UTC)
Thomas and Friends may have the largest cast of any children's television series. Over the years, literally dozens of characters have put in an appearance. The characters are split to separate pages. These pages are:


* [[Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)|Railway Engines]] - for information on Steam Engines and Diesel Engines.
* [[Rolling stock (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)|Rolling Stock]] - for information on coaches and trucks.
* [[People and animals (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)|People and animals]]
* [[Non-rail vehicles (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)|Non-rail vehicles]]
* [[Thomas the Tank Engine film characters|Movie Characters]] - for info on the trains, animals and people that feature in the two films.
* [[Minor characters from Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends|Minor Characters]]


== Conciseness and irrelevance ==
==Season index==
* [[Thomas and Friends - Season 1]] ([[1984]])
* [[Thomas and Friends - Season 2]] ([[1986]])
* [[Thomas and Friends - Season 3]] ([[1991]])
* [[Thomas and Friends - Season 4]] ([[1995]])
* [[Thomas and Friends - Season 5]] ([[1998]])
* [[Thomas and Friends - Season 6]] ([[2002]])
* [[Thomas and Friends - Season 7]] ([[2003]])
* [[Thomas and Friends - Season 8]] ([[2004]])
* [[Thomas and Friends - Season 9]] ([[2005]])
* [[Thomas and Friends - Season 10]] ([[2006]])


I have noticed a tendency for this article to wind up consisting almost entirely of lists while not containing very much useful information. These lists tend to simply just be a lot of names, with no explanation as to who they are, what they do, their history or anything. There isn't even consistency of presentation.
===Cinema movies===
*''[[Thomas and the Magic Railroad]]'' ([[2000]])


There is slightly more information for the locomotives of the NWR (whatever that is), but it's frankly dull technical facts. I would suggest that someone who comes on to this page hoping to find out about, say, Edward would not care that he's a 4-4-0 Larger Seagull, but they might want to know what his character is actually like. I think technical information should be put on the characters' own pages, so that if anyone wants to find out more, they can go there instead of having to wade through a load of information that means nothing to them.
===Direct-to-video adventures===
*''[[Calling All Engines]]'' ([[2005]]) ''(feature length movie)''
*''[[On Site with Thomas]]'' ([[2006]]) ''(Direct-to-video spin off episodes)''


:I agree wholeheartedly with this. In my mind, rather than listing on this page, it would be more appropriate for characters to be listed and described on separate pages.
==Thomas on television and in film==
The series was first broadcast in 1984 on [[ITV]] in the [[United Kingdom]]. It was shown throughout the late eighties and into the early 90s when it was taken off the terrestrial UK network following broadcast of the third series. Between 1994 and 2003, Thomas was never shown on terrestrial UK networks, although did make a comeback on satellite through Cartoon Network in the mid 1990s and lasted until 2001, which was 5 seasons, and then Nick Jr in 2001/2002, where it has remained since and become a popular fixture, even stretching to their involvement with Gullane and HIT Entertainment on recent series of the popular children's series.


I've been putting considerable time and effort into the [[Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)]] article recently. So rather than listing or even describing the railway characters on this page, link to the Railway Engines page. The same could be done for non-rail characters. [[User:Gonzerelli|Gonzerelli]] 15:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Thomas also made a comeback on ITV in January 2003 with its sixth series of five minute stories. The sixth and seventh series were shown in their entirety in 2003 and 2004. The eighth series was broadcast in 2005, but only 13 episodes were aired, possibly on account of the new format for the programme; it wasn't until July 2006 that the remaining 13 episodes were broadcast. Due to a new agreement between ITV and the Programming Authority ([[Ofcom]]) which allowed them to cut their children's TV output in mid 2005, [[Five (channel)|five]] bought the rights to the series. The ninth series began showing on [[October 10]] [[2006]], followed one month later on [[November 10]] by the tenth.


The NWR stands for 'North Western Railway', or the 'true' railway TTTE and Friends work for. NW was on the toy Rev. Awdry gave to Christopher at Christmas. [[F3CNW]] 8:40 9 March 2007 (UTC)
In 1989, ''Thomas and Friends'' was shown in [[North America]], in a television series called ''[[Shining Time Station]]'' which was broadcast on [[PBS]]. ''[[Storytime with Thomas]]'' is another American spin-off that aired in 1999 on the [[ABC Family|Fox Family Channel]]. Today, ''Thomas and Friends'' is broadcast in more than twenty languages around the world. In 2000 Thomas moved to the big screen, with the release of ''[[Thomas and the Magic Railroad]]''. However, the film was not a success.


==Fanon and non-characters==
The ''Thomas and Friends'' stories were five minutes long. The first two series showed two episodes at a time, with a show of the characters in the middle. It changed to one at a time in series three. In each series until series eight, the number of trains on the railway increases as the railway expands.


I've noticed that a lot of the information listed on this page seems to be entirely made up. The character of Spencer is never known as "Spencer the Silver Bullet Engine" in any official source. Not is Emily ever officially referred to as "Emily the Beautiful Engine". Emily's coaches are not "0-6-0", as the Whyte system does not apply to rolling stock.
In 2004, the series began using [[computer animated]] special effects and the story length changed from five to seven minutes. [http://gizmoanimation.co.uk/childrens/HiThomas.htm A half-hour show format] (aired on [[PBS]] and [[Treehouse TV]] in North America and on [[Nick Jr.]] in the UK from 2004) was also adopted, showing three episodes plus puzzles, songs, and mini stories. The new series made major changes, such as changing the famous theme tune, and took on a more moralistic stance than previous series. Starting Season 10, only two episides aired, with the middle story being replaced with ''Places around Sodor'', a recurring mini-story which features major locations and recaps episodes from Seasons 8-10 that take place at the location.


There are also a lot of characters listed who are not actually characters. The Ice Cream Wagons are not characters- they do not speak, they have no faces, no personality is described. You can no more describe them as "characters" than you could describe the track as such.
==Narrators==
* [[Ringo Starr]] (UK and U.S. narrator seasons 1-2). [[Ringo Starr]], drummer from [[The Beatles]], narrated the first two TV series of Thomas and Friends from 1984 to 1989. Ringo did the original UK narration for the series, and then when exported to the US, parts of it were renarrated and replaced. Ringo also contributed his services to Ladybird Audio Book tie-ins for the series, and appeared in Shining Time Station as the first Mr Conductor, before returning to pursue his musical career with his All Starr Band. Starr's celebrity status was a useful factor in gaining publicity for the show in its first season, and he is now the narrator most associated with Thomas.
* [[Michael Angelis]] (UK narrator seasons 3-present; U.S. narrator season 7 (''New Friends for Thomas'' DVD only)). Angelis has narrated the series since 1991, and been the longest standing narrator for the series in its history. He began in the 3rd series, and continues to narrate the British series. Angelis also replaced Baldwin for the beginning of the seventh season of the U.S. version for only one DVD called "New Friends for Thomas". He has also narrated the direct-to-video release ''Calling All Engines''. Angelis also narrated the first three volumes of [[The Railway Series]] for CD release in the UK in March 2006.
* [[George Carlin]] (U.S. narrator seasons 1-4). Carlin was the first American to narrate the series; he replaced Starr in 1991 for the American series and "''Shining Time Station''" as the Mr Conductor character. In the American series, Carlin re-narrated the first two seasons due to ''Shining Time''; in 1998, he left the series to return to his career in comedy.
* [[Alec Baldwin]] (U.S. narrator seasons 5-6). Baldwin replaced Carlin in 1998 for the U.S. series; he left the series to pursue film roles. In the American series, Baldwin renarrated seasons 5-6 due to ''Storytime With Thomas''. He also appeared in the movie [[Thomas and the Magic Railroad]], where he became the third actor to play Mr Conductor.
* [[Michael Brandon]] (U.S. narrator seasons 7-present). Brandon has so far narrated the seventh through tenth series, and renarrated part of the 6th season for television broadcast, as well as the straight to DVD specials - Calling All Engines and On Site with Thomas. He continues to narrate the series as of now.


==Production history==
== Cleanup ==
The series has gone through numerous changes throughout its run. The producer is in charge of every aspect of the show for the relevant season(s)


Since I last looked at it, the article has drifted off into a bit of a mess again. The English, formatting, and general style need a good overhaul. I've done a (very) little, but much more remains to be done. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Μελ Ετητης</font>]]) 10:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
*Seasons 01-02: [[Britt Allcroft]] (executive producer), [[David Mitton]], and [[Robert D. Cardona]]
*Seasons 03-05: [[Britt Allcroft]], [[David Mitton]]
*Seasons 06-07: Phil Fehrle
*Seasons 08-10: Simon Spencer


== Fake information ==
Originally the series was produced by [[The Britt Allcroft Company|Britt Allcroft Ltd]] and Clearwater Features Ltd ([[David Mitton]] and [[Robert D. Cardona]]'s company). Clearwater closed in 1990 and Britt Allcroft Ltd (which changed to [[Gullane Entertainment|Gullane Ltd]] in 2000) was the sole producer until 2003, when [[HIT Entertainment]] bought the company and now runs its operation. HIT Entertainment was acquired in 2005 by Private Equity firm Apax.


Though I'm not a member of Wikipedia, I think this needs to be brought to attention. Somebody has been putting false information into the Series 6-10 episode pages, such as adding fake episode titles and characters. They've even made up an entire episode and character list for Series 10, which has yet to premiere. Other people have also been posting fake information all over these pages; in some cases they even repost it as soon as it's been removed. Is there anything that can be done about this?
The series has always been filmed at Shepperton Studios.
:Sadly, there's not a lot we can do about it, except remove any such information as soon as we see it. There are a number of people dedicated to maintaining Thomas&Friends/RailwaySeries pages, who are quite knowledgeable, however if you see anything that you think is wrong, or can't possibly be right, feel free to contact one of us (myself included), and even delete it yourself (which we will check). Regards, [[User:Gonzerelli|Gonzerelli]] 12:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks. I've been keeping regular tabs on the guide so I can remove any false information that's being put up. There's one annoying issue that I think should be brought up; somebody keeps posting fake "US alternative titles" in the Series 7-9 episode guides (such as "Skarloey to the Rescue" for "Skarloey the Brave"). This has been going on for a while now, and though I clear out any such information if I get wind of it, the same person usually comes back and reposts it. It's really starting to get on my nerves, and I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.
I've started to delete fake information(such as fake engines), but my changes were reverted back to the false information by a mod. Is there a way to make it so only mods familiar with this topic can make changes? [[User:TOP|TOP]] 05:11, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
:I've noticed something that seems to be becoming a problem. Someone keeps leaving clumsily-written, badly-worded messages about Thomas appearing on Playhouse Disney. I'm pretty sure the information is false, but they keep doing it over and over again. I fear this may turn into a situation similar to the "Ten Cents and the Golden Tunnel" one currently taking place on the "Tugs" page. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:195.93.21.103|195.93.21.103]] ([[User talk:195.93.21.103|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/195.93.21.103|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>
::Can you give an example of a page where this is happening. If editors add false information it will be removed, and in extreme cases the editor concerned can be blocked. Thanks, [[User:Gwernol|Gwernol]] 17:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Sure. It mostly happens on the "Thomas on Television and in Film" section, though earlier today I saw it occur in the trivia section of the sub-article devoted to the Thomas songs. Here are specific links...
:::http://en.wikipedia.org/zhwiki/w/index.php?title=Thomas_the_Tank_Engine_and_Friends&direction=prev&oldid=62213919
:::http://en.wikipedia.org/zhwiki/w/index.php?title=Thomas_the_Tank_Engine_and_Friends&oldid=61111472
:::http://en.wikipedia.org/zhwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_Thomas_the_Tank_Engine_%26_Friends_Songs&oldid=62216791
:::(The first two are in the "Thomas on Television and in Film" section; the latter is somewhere in the trivia section)
::Thanks, that's very useful. I've added the songs page to my watchlist and will keep an eye out. Unfortunately this seems to be coming from AOL IP addresses, which means its not much use to block the culprit (AOL reassigns IP addresses all the time, so if I block one IP it effects lots of other AOL users and probably doesn't stop the person making the edits). Best, [[User:Gwernol|Gwernol]] 19:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
:::That's good to hear. I'm afraid whoever is behind it was at again this morning, and they've been targetting the narrators section this time. I fear this is going to blow way out of proportion if it carries on.
:And no matter what, I delete the info on Thomas & Shining Time Station appearing on Playhouse Disney, and the next second, it has been reverted by one of the vandal's 'little friends'. [[User:BigThomasFan|BigThomasFan]] 11:10, 28 August 2006


== Proposed merge ==
==Television series trivia==
* Since 1984, the show has been filmed at [[West London]]'s [[Shepperton Studios]]. The layouts are expansive and fit in a [[hangar]]-sized room. The train [[miniature]]s are set on [[remote control]] and filmed using a 35mm camera, in order to get quality shots from such small objects. [http://melgarvewarrior.tripod.com/sodorisland/behindthescenes.html]


I think [[Duncan's Ghost]] should probably be included as a character in this article, any thoughts? -- <span style="padding: 2px;border: 1px solid #355F91;background: #E6EFF8;">[[User: Scohoust|<span style="color:#4478B4;">Scot</span>]][[User talk:Scohoust|<span style="color:#355F91;"><sup>t</sup></span>]]</span> 19:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
* From [[Thomas and Friends - Season 5|Season 5]] onwards stories were written especially for television. First by the then producers of the show [[Britt Allcroft]] and David Mitton (series 5), and then by a much larger team of hired writers (series 6 onwards).
:"Duncan's Ghost" is not worthy of an article or section of any article. I won't go so far as to delete the original page, but there are dozens of characters more worthy of being on the main page than this 'nothing' character. [[User:Gonzerelli|Gonzerelli]] 11:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


== Bricked up in Tunnel ==
* Throughout series 6 and 7, David Mitton continued to provide storylines and wrote his final script during the show's sixth run, "Edward the Very Useful Engine".


There is a local rumour that the engine (can't remember which one)which was bricked up in a tunnel, is based on [[Box Tunnel]] just to the east of Bath, (as rev Audrey lived in Box) but I can't find any mention of this on the Thomas pages or the tunnel page. Any thruth in this? [[User:Rodw|Rod]] 16:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
* The narrator provides the story and the character voices.


:I think this is a reference to the popular "strategic reserve" legend. Basically, the rumour was that when steam engines were being withdrawn from British Railways, a few were secretly kept back in case of nuclear war (steam engines wouldn't be affected by the electromagnetic pulse of an atomic bomb). One of the places suggested for this strategic reserve is Box Tunnel, bricked up on a secret siding within the tunnel. However, there's no strong evidence for this.
* In the Japanese and Korean versions, individual voice actors did the characters' voices instead of the narrator. Thomas and Percy were voiced by women.
[[User:HonestTom|Tom]]


::However there was a secret siding at Box tunnel, it wasn't to do with the mythical "strategic reserve". It in fact lead to [http://www.chocolatechipdesign.co.uk/nettleden/burlington/ Burlington], which was the government's now-decommissioned nuclear bunker located next to the tunnel in Corsham, Wiltshire. This was where the central government would move to in case of nuclear war. The idea was that the civil servants would move by train straight from London into the underground station in Burlington. With the coming of ICBMs and the four-minute warning in the 1970s it was obsolete, but wasn't decommissioned and taken off the secret list until the mid-1990s.[[User:BaseTurnComplete|BaseTurnComplete]] 11:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
* In some episodes, old models used in Thomas' short-lived sister show, [[TUGS]] appear.


That engines name is Henry. --[[User:Imdanumber1|imdanumber1]] 01:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
* Season 7 was the last season to use 35mm film and the original Thomas the Tank Engine theme tune.
* [[Mike O'Donnell]] and [[Junior Campbell]] composed the show's original theme song and music from the years 1984 to 2003. In 2004, Robert Hartshorne took their place as composer, while Ed Welch wrote the new theme tune and the songs.


== Official statement from [[WP:THOMAS|WikiProject Thomas]] re. some vandalism ==
* David Mitton directed until he retired in 2003. Steve Asquith replaced him from [[2004]].


Recently, an unregistered user decided to vandalise this page, insulting the [http://sodor.proboards77.com/ Sodor Island Forums (SIF)] and its members, asserting that ''"<nowiki>[SIF]</nowiki> think they own this place"''.
*In the Portuguese, Polish and Swedish versions, the narrator is a woman.


While it is true that [[WP:THOMAS|WikiProject Thomas]] originated at SIF, and core members of WikiProject Thomas are indeed regular members of SIF, by no means do we feel as though we have specific [[WP:OWN|ownership]] of any page on Wikipedia. We very willingly welcome anyone who wishes to contribute constructively to any pages which fall under [[WP:THOMAS|WikiProject Thomas' scope]].
* Thomas the Tank Engine was in The [[Guinness Book of Records|Guinness Book of World Records]] 2004 as the world's largest model railway.


Having said that, however, superfluous edits, false edits, and edits which do not make a whole lot of sense, which have been made by unregistered users, will be reverted on sight. This is not asserting any kind of ownership on an article, this is maintaining an article's quality. There is a clear difference.
* Season 9 is the first and only season (to date) where Thomas appeared in all 26 episodes.


If you have any concerns, feel free to raise them on an article's talk page, or at [[Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Thomas]].
* Thomas, Edward, Henry, Gordon, James, Percy, Toby, Henrietta, Bertie, Annie, Clarabel, The Fat Controller and The Troublesome Trucks are the only characters to appear in every season of the show.


[[User:Gonzerelli|Gonzerelli]] 11:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
* The Season 8 change from [[35mm film]] (used in movies) to [[digital film]] is somewhat obvious.


:Hello, I find it particularly sad how well this article is maintained, and what great quality and standard it possesses, and yet it receives perhaps the most frequent amount of vandalism I have ever seen on a single article. You really do not deserve this... these vandals do not know when to stop, surely it must get boring for them, because there's always someone monitoring this page to revert damage, and it's nice to see a group of people so devoted to this particular subject. I think amongst yourselves you ought to organise some kind of vandalism block. Keep up the good work. [[User:Foxearth|Foxearth]] 09:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
* Three real engines have been featured on the show - [[Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)#Stepney|Stepney]] has made a number of appearances (Stepney is also a real engine from the [[Bluebell Railway]]), and [[Minor Characters (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)#City of Truro|City of Truro]] and [[Minor Characters (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)#Flying Scotsman|Flying Scotsman]] played minor roles in two Season 3 episodes.


== Unknown Accident ==
==Commercialisation==
===Merchandise===
{{main|Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends merchandise}}


In one of the Thomas clips on You Tube, there is a still of Henry sitting awkwardly on a bunch of tracks in a forest. Anyone know which episode the still is from? I think it might be from James and the Trouble with Trees.[[User:Ohyeh|Ohyeh]] 02:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
A wide range of [[merchandise]] has been manufactured to cash-in on the success of the TV Series Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends. It is down to the popularity and longevity of the series &ndash; having originated in 1945 with the first of [[The Railway Series]] books by the [[W.V. Awdry|Rev. W. Awdry]] &ndash; that large numbers of manufacturers have sought to produce 'Thomas'-branded items.


Nah, seen that episode, Henry does not have an accident in that one. --[[User:Imdanumber1|imdanumber1]] 01:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
The most popular and wide-ranging items of merchandise are the models of the characters, which have been produced in many different ranges, some including accompanying railway systems. Other popular products include [[Thomas and Friends - Video Releases|videos]], books and [[magazines]], and computer games. However, 'Thomas' merchandise has also included such diverse items as: [[Audio books|audiobooks]], [[Annual publication|annual]]s, colouring and activity books, [[jigsaw]]s, board games, [[stationery]], clothing, cutlery, household items such as curtains, duvet covers and lampshades, and even soft drinks and spaghetti shapes.


== Re-Dubs???? ==
===Day Out with Thomas===


I heard a rumour that the studios are planning to redub seasons 1 and 2 with Michael Angelis' voice over Ringo Starr. Is this true? [[User:Jienum|Jienum]] 19:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
"Day Out with Thomas", also referred to as "Come Ride the Rails with Thomas" [http://www.comeridetherails.com/map.asp] is a US tour by real trains modelled after Thomas the Tank Engine. The Thomas engine visits various historic railroads across the United States allowing visitors to play games, meet Sir Topham Hatt and to ride on a passenger car pulled by the engine. [[HIT Entertainment]] sponsors the event to promote the Thomas and Friends brand.


:Whether this is true or not, seasons 1 and 2 as they have been released and (initially) broadcast will be credited to Ringo Starr. If this redubbing happens, a brief referemce to it on the individual pages of both seasons will suffice. [[User:Gonzerelli|Gonzerelli]] 21:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
===Thomas in Amusement Parks===


== Season 11 ==
In the upcoming [[2007]] Summer [[Six Flags]] Season, a Thomas and Friends land will be opened at [[Six Flags Discovery Kingdom]] (Formerly Six Flags Marine World) in [[Vallejo, California|Vallejo, CA]], which is located about 30 miles north of [[San Francisco, California|San Francisco]].


I've noticed that, more than enough, Season 11 has been added to the list of Seasons. Whoever is doing this, I ask that you please stop until we receive an official confirmation from [[HIT Entertainment]] that one's being made and when it's being released. [[Wikipedia]] is not a crystal ball, and we need [[Wikipedia:verifiability|verifiable]] information. Thank you. [[User:Rusty5|Rusty5]] 12:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
==See also==
* [[List of Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends Songs]]
* ''[[Shining Time Station]]''
* ''[[TUGS]]''
* [[List of Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends Interactive Learning Segments]]


:Its a real shame that we have one or two persistent users who seem determined to add fan fiction and other nonsense like this to articles. I have blocked the latest account [[User:BenK]] for a month and will extend this to indefinite should he continue doing this with that account or any other. [[User:Gwernol|Gwernol]] 12:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


While I do hope that a Series 11 will materialise, we still don't have any proof. Yet, unregistered users continue to post that Season 11 will be coming in 2007. I've heard from a friend that HIT confirmed at least two more seasons after 2005's Series 9, and we have gained trust in the company with the promised return of Sir Handle in Series 10, but we can't verify this like we did with Season 10. At least wait until next year to write about Series 11, or before we create a page for it. None of us members of [[WP:THOMAS|Wikiproject Thomas]] want to put up with the half-year of vandalism on the Season 10 page again. Thank you. [[User:Rusty5|Rusty5]] 22:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
==External links==
*[http://www.hitentertainment.com/thomasandfriends/ Official ''Thomas and Friends'' website]
*[http://www.pegnsean.net/~railwayseries/ The Real Lives of Thomas The Tank Engine]
*[http://melgarvewarrior.tripod.com/sodorisland/ Sodor Island Fansite]
*[http://melgarvewarrior.tripod.com/sodorislandcommunitysite/ Sodor Island Community Site]
*[http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/thomas/ thomas] from the [[BBC]] website
*[http://www.tv.com/thomas-the-tank-engine-and-friends/show/11466/summary.html/ TV.com Thomas Guide]
*[http://www.treehousetv.com/parents/tvShows/thomas/index.asp?showid=28 ''Thomas & Friends'' web page at TreeHouseTV.com]
*[http://www.cawdry.co.uk/index.html/ Awdry Family Site]
*{{imdb title|id=0086815|title=Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends}}
*[http://www.thetrainshed.com.au/ Thomas The Tank Engine Train Rides in Sydney]
*[http://www.thomasrocks.com/ Thomas The Tank Engine toys from the US in Britain]


:'''News!''' I recently received official confirmation from [[HIT Entertainment|HIT]] that more episodes will be made, and that "Thomas & Friends" won't end with Series 10. An 11th series will materialise, but they haven't told me if it will be in 2007, or in a couple years. [[User:Rusty5|Rusty5]] 02:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


Someone e-mailed HIT about a season 11. HIT has confirmed that there will be a season 11. {{Unsigned|Jexerg}}
{{Thomas}}


::I'll say this once more, hopefully for the last time...
{{PastPBSKids_shows}}


::'''A PERSONAL E-MAIL IS NOT A [[WP:RS|RELIABLE SOURCE]]!!!!!!! Therefore, it CANNOT and WILL NOT be added until something concrete comes to light!'''
[[Category:Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends| ]]
[[Category:Children's ITV television programmes]]
[[Category:Children's television series]]
[[Category:Rail transport in fiction]]
[[Category:Television programs featuring anthropomorphic characters]]


::[[User:Gonzerelli|Gonzerelli]] 03:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[[de:Thomas die kleine Lokomotive]]

[[fr:Thomas et ses amis]]
Not to be rude, but if it's from HIT Entertainment themselves, It'd most likely be reliable. Besides, how did we find out about Series 10? We had an article up for it around this time last year. They didn't even mention new episodes to the public until that press release, so how did we confirm Season 10 half a year earlier? I won't create an article for Season 11 yet, after all the vandalism we received with Season 10, but Thomas isn't the kind of series that spontaneously ends... [[User:Rusty5|Rusty5]] 17:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[[it:Il trenino Thomas]]

[[la:Thomas the Tank Engine]]
== Thomas and Autism ==
[[nl:Thomas de stoomlocomotief]]

[[ja:きかんしゃトーマス]]
The [[National Autistic Society]] published a report a few years ago which detailed the 'special relationship' between many children with [[autism]] and Thomas the Tank Engine. You can read the report [http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=368&a=2683 here] and more information [http://www.myfavoritetoys.com/autism_thomas.php here] (plenty more on Google too, if you search for [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22thomas+the+tank+engine%22+autism "Thomas the Tank Engine" autism]). Does anyone think this would be an appropriate/relevant topic for a new section within this article? [[User:Bewildebeast|Matt Eason]] 00:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
[[pl:Thomas i Przyjaciele]]

[[pt:Thomas o trem azul]]
== Subanthropomorphism ==
[[ro:Thomas the Tank Engine]]

What is subanthropomorphism as compared to anthropomorphism? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/209.98.224.153|209.98.224.153]] ([[User talk:209.98.224.153|talk]]) 17:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
:I'm guessing it has something to do with the only human-like parts of the engines are the faces and the common emotions. After all, they don't have arms and legs... [[User:Rusty5|Rusty5]] 23:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Take Along Article deletion==

Why is the take along article gone

== Delete this sentence ==

I feel we should delete this sentence:

''"The use of a narrator removes the need to make characters' mouths move when they speak."''

In my opinion, this sentence implies that if individual voices were used, the characters' mouths would have to move and that having a narrator removes this problem. But take for instance "[[TUGS]]"; all of the characters had specific, individual voices ''and'' a narrator. However, their mouths didn't move. This idea contradicts the basis of shows like "[[Bob the Builder]]" (in the case of the machines), [[Dig and Dug]], and puppet shows in which the mouths of the puppets are just a line or a piece of yard or string. There are even individual voices in the Japanese versions of TTTE, and it's the British imaging.

In other words, this sentence presents a fact that the rules of most other television shows either contradict or don't apply. Perhaps, we could say something like this:

''"The episodes are all written in a storybook style, rather than scripted drama material. Because of this format a narrator provides both the storytelling and the voices for the characters. Individual voices done by voice actors would make the story format seem choppy and disorganized."''[[User:Ohyeh|Ohyeh]] 14:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

2007年8月25日 (六) 06:47的版本

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Unexplained deletions

I have restored two external links that were deleted without explanation. It is best to explain deletions in the edit summary or here.—Theo (Talk) 22:04, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Flagged for cleanup

An anonymous editor has made some useful additions with unusual spelling and grammar. I lack the time to fix this now. Could some helpful gnome have a go?—Theo (Talk) 07:57, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have flagged this for cleanup again. The article doesn't seem to be entirely certain if it is for the TV show or televesion series, there is very little explanation of the show before the huge table of characters, and things just seem generally cluttered. DirectorStratton 03:22, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Clairvoyance

I've just removed this from the article:

" In 2007, a semi-sequel called Magic Railroad will be released directly to video/DVD (Engines Can Do It)."

It's changed release date and title, and aside from the uncertainty, it lacks a source, and looks two years into the future. --Mel Etitis ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|Μελ I can tell you something right now! The aforementioned"Engines Can Do It" Movie Is FAKE! And until I get some concrete proof, I mean sources, dates, names, engines, I am going to continue to say it's FAKE! (That is all!) Ετητης)]] 14:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

an xplained deletion

Deleted this sentence as not being relevent to the TV series.

In 1987, Awdry and his brother George published The Island of Sodor, a book detailing the full history of the railways of Sodor.

apologies for the large number of small edits. -- Doldrums 19:37, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

merge proposal

There are a huge number of articles now on characters who have appeared in one or two episodes only. I feel they would be better merged into just a few articles. Feel free to suggest better names for the merged articles. Which article belongs where should be obvious from the main article. I have not marked any of the proposed articles as there are probably about 50 of them!

I don't think anything else merits an entry beyond an list item. Even many that would fit in the above categories don't need anything more. Thryduulf 23:45, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

On the lists: What do the * signify next to some names? I see no explanation.
I see the fat controller. Does the thin controller not appear in the series?

--此條未正確簽名的留言由57.66.51.165（討論）加入。
The * indicates that the character is from the film only, not the TV series. It did say that somewhere. There is no "thin controller", only a fat one. Thryduulf 22:27, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Mergr proposal sounds good. If there's enough material to support a decent sized article, leave it be, but merge the rest into the lists proposed. I think you could get away woth merging the last two suggestions into a combined list, something like Non-railway/locomotive vehicles. Saberwyn 03:46, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Good idea, I've made the change above. Thryduulf 18:31, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

engines vs. locomotives

Personally I think the way forward is to do a similar thing to the List of Discworld characters articles. Major characters (for example Rincewind, The Luggage) have their own articles, linked from the list. The rest are listed in Minor Discworld characters.

Assuming this was done I would query the particlar choice of name for the article. The use of the term "engine" is depracated in favour of "locomotive". A steam locomotive such as Thomas has two "engines" - each piston and associated valve gear which drives the wheels is an "engine" in its own right. A diesel locomotive contains one or more diesel engines which power the locomotive. Daisy the Diesel Rail-Car for example has two "engines" but is not a locomotive but a multiple unit.

There is also the fact that some characters appear only in The Railway Series, the original books by Rev. W Awdry, some appear only in Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends, the TV Series. Some, but not all, appear in both.

I think any article of this type would need to use the term "characters" because some characters are coaches, trucks, road vehicles, and even people and animals.

Anyone wishing to browse a list of those characters which are locomotives could use Category:Fictional locomotives.

-=# Amos E Wolfe talk #=- 15:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Merge article name

I posted this on User_talk:Thryduulf but I now see he invited replies here. On some (quite a few?) TTE-related articles you have put a tag to merge into a new article "Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)". There is a problem. Your title really rather strongly implies the TV series but many of these characters also appear in The Railway Series. The authors of that article seem to have been very careful to list only the characters that appear in the books, not the extras brought in for TV. I suspect the book readers might not like your proposed article title though I expect an acceptable title could be found, maybe a rediect would help. Each character would probably need to be designated according to its provenance (this ought to be case now but it has often been done incorrectly). I've commented to you here because otherwise the discussion would be very distributed! Thincat 14:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I think the problem is there is no ideal title - (The Railway Series) restricts it to the books. I'm not set on the titles I suggested, they were just the best that I coudl come up with - if you can improve on them by all means please do so! Thryduulf 15:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
The TV Series has gone in a different direction to the Railway Series. For example, the Awdrys would never have thought of Henry as the tree-loving engine he is in the TV Series. As such, the two should really be kept separate.

I have spent considerable time organising the Railway Engines page (a process which is continuing). You will notice that Railway Series characters have been removed, and character profiles standardised. In my mind, a separate article should be created for Railway Series characters. Gonzerelli 08:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Song Lyrics

Someone has entered the lyrics for a number of songs but little else. To no avail, I asked that editor to tidy things up. So I have followed copyright violation procedure. I didn't want to meddle with the back links, but I thought editors of this page might want to delink the following pages. --William Pietri 23:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Songs List

The songs "That's what friends are for" and "Rules and Regulations" are for the Series 4 category, as that is when they were realeased, but only on a cassette. They have not had videos made for them. -- Skarloey 13:16, 17 January 2006.

Hello

Hi, I'm new here. By the way, I have noticed many of the 'rolling stock' and 'coaches' articles have been removed from the main page. Why? And could someone put them back please? Another thing, Bertram the Old Warrior's picture is unavailable for viewing being of Tripod's silly logo. Could someone please put it on the page? I don't know how to.--Thomasfan 14:19 6th December 2005 (UTC)


Conciseness and irrelevance

I have noticed a tendency for this article to wind up consisting almost entirely of lists while not containing very much useful information. These lists tend to simply just be a lot of names, with no explanation as to who they are, what they do, their history or anything. There isn't even consistency of presentation.

There is slightly more information for the locomotives of the NWR (whatever that is), but it's frankly dull technical facts. I would suggest that someone who comes on to this page hoping to find out about, say, Edward would not care that he's a 4-4-0 Larger Seagull, but they might want to know what his character is actually like. I think technical information should be put on the characters' own pages, so that if anyone wants to find out more, they can go there instead of having to wade through a load of information that means nothing to them.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. In my mind, rather than listing on this page, it would be more appropriate for characters to be listed and described on separate pages.

I've been putting considerable time and effort into the Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends) article recently. So rather than listing or even describing the railway characters on this page, link to the Railway Engines page. The same could be done for non-rail characters. Gonzerelli 15:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

The NWR stands for 'North Western Railway', or the 'true' railway TTTE and Friends work for. NW was on the toy Rev. Awdry gave to Christopher at Christmas. F3CNW 8:40 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Fanon and non-characters

I've noticed that a lot of the information listed on this page seems to be entirely made up. The character of Spencer is never known as "Spencer the Silver Bullet Engine" in any official source. Not is Emily ever officially referred to as "Emily the Beautiful Engine". Emily's coaches are not "0-6-0", as the Whyte system does not apply to rolling stock.

There are also a lot of characters listed who are not actually characters. The Ice Cream Wagons are not characters- they do not speak, they have no faces, no personality is described. You can no more describe them as "characters" than you could describe the track as such.

Cleanup

Since I last looked at it, the article has drifted off into a bit of a mess again. The English, formatting, and general style need a good overhaul. I've done a (very) little, but much more remains to be done. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Fake information

Though I'm not a member of Wikipedia, I think this needs to be brought to attention. Somebody has been putting false information into the Series 6-10 episode pages, such as adding fake episode titles and characters. They've even made up an entire episode and character list for Series 10, which has yet to premiere. Other people have also been posting fake information all over these pages; in some cases they even repost it as soon as it's been removed. Is there anything that can be done about this?

Sadly, there's not a lot we can do about it, except remove any such information as soon as we see it. There are a number of people dedicated to maintaining Thomas&Friends/RailwaySeries pages, who are quite knowledgeable, however if you see anything that you think is wrong, or can't possibly be right, feel free to contact one of us (myself included), and even delete it yourself (which we will check). Regards, Gonzerelli 12:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I've been keeping regular tabs on the guide so I can remove any false information that's being put up. There's one annoying issue that I think should be brought up; somebody keeps posting fake "US alternative titles" in the Series 7-9 episode guides (such as "Skarloey to the Rescue" for "Skarloey the Brave"). This has been going on for a while now, and though I clear out any such information if I get wind of it, the same person usually comes back and reposts it. It's really starting to get on my nerves, and I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.

I've started to delete fake information(such as fake engines), but my changes were reverted back to the false information by a mod. Is there a way to make it so only mods familiar with this topic can make changes? TOP 05:11, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed something that seems to be becoming a problem. Someone keeps leaving clumsily-written, badly-worded messages about Thomas appearing on Playhouse Disney. I'm pretty sure the information is false, but they keep doing it over and over again. I fear this may turn into a situation similar to the "Ten Cents and the Golden Tunnel" one currently taking place on the "Tugs" page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.103 (talk • contribs) .
Can you give an example of a page where this is happening. If editors add false information it will be removed, and in extreme cases the editor concerned can be blocked. Thanks, Gwernol 17:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Sure. It mostly happens on the "Thomas on Television and in Film" section, though earlier today I saw it occur in the trivia section of the sub-article devoted to the Thomas songs. Here are specific links...
http://en.wikipedia.org/zhwiki/w/index.php?title=Thomas_the_Tank_Engine_and_Friends&direction=prev&oldid=62213919
http://en.wikipedia.org/zhwiki/w/index.php?title=Thomas_the_Tank_Engine_and_Friends&oldid=61111472
http://en.wikipedia.org/zhwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_Thomas_the_Tank_Engine_%26_Friends_Songs&oldid=62216791
(The first two are in the "Thomas on Television and in Film" section; the latter is somewhere in the trivia section)
Thanks, that's very useful. I've added the songs page to my watchlist and will keep an eye out. Unfortunately this seems to be coming from AOL IP addresses, which means its not much use to block the culprit (AOL reassigns IP addresses all the time, so if I block one IP it effects lots of other AOL users and probably doesn't stop the person making the edits). Best, Gwernol 19:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
That's good to hear. I'm afraid whoever is behind it was at again this morning, and they've been targetting the narrators section this time. I fear this is going to blow way out of proportion if it carries on.
And no matter what, I delete the info on Thomas & Shining Time Station appearing on Playhouse Disney, and the next second, it has been reverted by one of the vandal's 'little friends'. BigThomasFan 11:10, 28 August 2006

Proposed merge

I think Duncan's Ghost should probably be included as a character in this article, any thoughts? -- Scott 19:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

"Duncan's Ghost" is not worthy of an article or section of any article. I won't go so far as to delete the original page, but there are dozens of characters more worthy of being on the main page than this 'nothing' character. Gonzerelli 11:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Bricked up in Tunnel

There is a local rumour that the engine (can't remember which one)which was bricked up in a tunnel, is based on Box Tunnel just to the east of Bath, (as rev Audrey lived in Box) but I can't find any mention of this on the Thomas pages or the tunnel page. Any thruth in this? Rod 16:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I think this is a reference to the popular "strategic reserve" legend. Basically, the rumour was that when steam engines were being withdrawn from British Railways, a few were secretly kept back in case of nuclear war (steam engines wouldn't be affected by the electromagnetic pulse of an atomic bomb). One of the places suggested for this strategic reserve is Box Tunnel, bricked up on a secret siding within the tunnel. However, there's no strong evidence for this.

Tom

However there was a secret siding at Box tunnel, it wasn't to do with the mythical "strategic reserve". It in fact lead to Burlington, which was the government's now-decommissioned nuclear bunker located next to the tunnel in Corsham, Wiltshire. This was where the central government would move to in case of nuclear war. The idea was that the civil servants would move by train straight from London into the underground station in Burlington. With the coming of ICBMs and the four-minute warning in the 1970s it was obsolete, but wasn't decommissioned and taken off the secret list until the mid-1990s.BaseTurnComplete 11:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

That engines name is Henry. --imdanumber1 01:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Official statement from WikiProject Thomas re. some vandalism

Recently, an unregistered user decided to vandalise this page, insulting the Sodor Island Forums (SIF) and its members, asserting that "[SIF] think they own this place".

While it is true that WikiProject Thomas originated at SIF, and core members of WikiProject Thomas are indeed regular members of SIF, by no means do we feel as though we have specific ownership of any page on Wikipedia. We very willingly welcome anyone who wishes to contribute constructively to any pages which fall under WikiProject Thomas' scope.

Having said that, however, superfluous edits, false edits, and edits which do not make a whole lot of sense, which have been made by unregistered users, will be reverted on sight. This is not asserting any kind of ownership on an article, this is maintaining an article's quality. There is a clear difference.

If you have any concerns, feel free to raise them on an article's talk page, or at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Thomas.

Gonzerelli 11:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I find it particularly sad how well this article is maintained, and what great quality and standard it possesses, and yet it receives perhaps the most frequent amount of vandalism I have ever seen on a single article. You really do not deserve this... these vandals do not know when to stop, surely it must get boring for them, because there's always someone monitoring this page to revert damage, and it's nice to see a group of people so devoted to this particular subject. I think amongst yourselves you ought to organise some kind of vandalism block. Keep up the good work. Foxearth 09:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Unknown Accident

In one of the Thomas clips on You Tube, there is a still of Henry sitting awkwardly on a bunch of tracks in a forest. Anyone know which episode the still is from? I think it might be from James and the Trouble with Trees.Ohyeh 02:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Nah, seen that episode, Henry does not have an accident in that one. --imdanumber1 01:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Re-Dubs????

I heard a rumour that the studios are planning to redub seasons 1 and 2 with Michael Angelis' voice over Ringo Starr. Is this true? Jienum 19:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Whether this is true or not, seasons 1 and 2 as they have been released and (initially) broadcast will be credited to Ringo Starr. If this redubbing happens, a brief referemce to it on the individual pages of both seasons will suffice. Gonzerelli 21:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Season 11

I've noticed that, more than enough, Season 11 has been added to the list of Seasons. Whoever is doing this, I ask that you please stop until we receive an official confirmation from HIT Entertainment that one's being made and when it's being released. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and we need verifiable information. Thank you. Rusty5 12:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Its a real shame that we have one or two persistent users who seem determined to add fan fiction and other nonsense like this to articles. I have blocked the latest account User:BenK for a month and will extend this to indefinite should he continue doing this with that account or any other. Gwernol 12:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

While I do hope that a Series 11 will materialise, we still don't have any proof. Yet, unregistered users continue to post that Season 11 will be coming in 2007. I've heard from a friend that HIT confirmed at least two more seasons after 2005's Series 9, and we have gained trust in the company with the promised return of Sir Handle in Series 10, but we can't verify this like we did with Season 10. At least wait until next year to write about Series 11, or before we create a page for it. None of us members of Wikiproject Thomas want to put up with the half-year of vandalism on the Season 10 page again. Thank you. Rusty5 22:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

News! I recently received official confirmation from HIT that more episodes will be made, and that "Thomas & Friends" won't end with Series 10. An 11th series will materialise, but they haven't told me if it will be in 2007, or in a couple years. Rusty5 02:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone e-mailed HIT about a season 11. HIT has confirmed that there will be a season 11. --此條未正確簽名的留言由Jexerg（討論｜貢獻）加入。

I'll say this once more, hopefully for the last time...
A PERSONAL E-MAIL IS NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE!!!!!!! Therefore, it CANNOT and WILL NOT be added until something concrete comes to light!
Gonzerelli 03:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Not to be rude, but if it's from HIT Entertainment themselves, It'd most likely be reliable. Besides, how did we find out about Series 10? We had an article up for it around this time last year. They didn't even mention new episodes to the public until that press release, so how did we confirm Season 10 half a year earlier? I won't create an article for Season 11 yet, after all the vandalism we received with Season 10, but Thomas isn't the kind of series that spontaneously ends... Rusty5 17:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thomas and Autism

The National Autistic Society published a report a few years ago which detailed the 'special relationship' between many children with autism and Thomas the Tank Engine. You can read the report here and more information here (plenty more on Google too, if you search for "Thomas the Tank Engine" autism). Does anyone think this would be an appropriate/relevant topic for a new section within this article? Matt Eason 00:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Subanthropomorphism

What is subanthropomorphism as compared to anthropomorphism? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.98.224.153 (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

I'm guessing it has something to do with the only human-like parts of the engines are the faces and the common emotions. After all, they don't have arms and legs... Rusty5 23:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Take Along Article deletion

Why is the take along article gone

Delete this sentence

I feel we should delete this sentence:

"The use of a narrator removes the need to make characters' mouths move when they speak."

In my opinion, this sentence implies that if individual voices were used, the characters' mouths would have to move and that having a narrator removes this problem. But take for instance "TUGS"; all of the characters had specific, individual voices and a narrator. However, their mouths didn't move. This idea contradicts the basis of shows like "Bob the Builder" (in the case of the machines), Dig and Dug, and puppet shows in which the mouths of the puppets are just a line or a piece of yard or string. There are even individual voices in the Japanese versions of TTTE, and it's the British imaging.

In other words, this sentence presents a fact that the rules of most other television shows either contradict or don't apply. Perhaps, we could say something like this:

"The episodes are all written in a storybook style, rather than scripted drama material. Because of this format a narrator provides both the storytelling and the voices for the characters. Individual voices done by voice actors would make the story format seem choppy and disorganized."Ohyeh 14:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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