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=== June 5 ===
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==== Category:Spanish manuscripts ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Spanish-language manuscripts]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 10:03, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Spanish manuscripts]] to [[:Category:Spanish-language manuscripts]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:CATSPECIFIC]]. I cleaned it up because it was a random mix of manuscripts written in (proto-)Spanish (Castilian), written in Latin but by a 'Spanish' person, or written in Latin but discovered in Spain ([[WP:OCLOCATION]]) or preserved in Spain (by collection). Refining it to a language-based category makes most sense. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 22:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''', less ambiguous. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
*:The issue with this proposal (as with the other manuscript category renaming proposals) is that the category does not refer to language nor to discovery. It refers to origin, that is, this is a category for manuscripts produced in Spain—which is how manuscript scholars (such as myself) tend to approach the subject. Language categorization does not make sense in this context. If you recategorize by language you’ll end up with a massive, and unhelpful, ‘Latin language manuscripts’ category. [[User:SJLahey|SJLahey]] ([[User talk:SJLahey|talk]]) 12:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
*:* We have [[:Category:Latin manuscripts]] and it seems helpful. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:06, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
*:*:What Marcocapelle said. Of course, it is possible to create subcategories of Latin manuscripts (and there already are). Compare [[:Category:Latin chronicles about France]]: the texts are about France, but they are written in Latin. A lot of items which were categorised as 'Spanish manuscripts' were written in Latin, and not about Spain, but about the Bible or patristics, for example, so their connection with 'Spain' (especially before 'Spain' existed in arguably 1479) is questionable.
*:*:I do not think it is clear, at all, from the items in this category tree [[:Category:Manuscripts by area]] as a whole that they are meant to group manuscripts {{xt|by area of production}}. As I said about [[:Category:German manuscripts]]: {{xt|these manuscripts are written in the German language, not necessarily in Germany, nor about Germany, nor by Germans.}} In many cases we don't even know where it was "originally" written, because the [[provenance]] is often unclear. You can say based on internal linguistic arguments in what kind of language milieu the author lived or was influenced by, but that doesn't necessary tell you where the author actually put the pen to paper (or some other writing materials).
*:*:Elsewhere in the category tree, there has been significant mixups between manuscripts by area, language, topic, type, collection as well, so it is not at all clear what "area" even means, and it is explained differently in different parts of the tree. So it makes sense to go for something that is actually [[WP:DEFINING]], like language in this case. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 18:16, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Association of African Universities ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''listify'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 10:04, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:'''Convert''' [[:Category:Association of African Universities]] to article [[Association of African Universities]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Non-defining characteristic; listify in new section [[Association of African Universities#Members]]. [[User:Fgnievinski|fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 22:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Convert''', membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:28, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Listify''' This is a industry trade association and is not defining per [[WP:OCASSOC]]. (In contrast, accreditation authorities are usually defining.) - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 16:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Swiss manuscripts ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' to [[:Category:Works about Switzerland]] and [[:Category:15th century in the Old Swiss Confederacy]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 10:02, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Swiss manuscripts]] to [[:Category:Works about Switzerland]]{{#if:|&nbsp;and [[:Category:{{{target2}}}]]}} and [[:Category:History of Switzerland]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT]]. 2 P. These mss aren't necessarily written in Switzerland or kept there ([[Cgm 558]] is in [[Munich]]), but they are ''about'' (the history of) Switzerland. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 22:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom, but the second merge target may be changed more specifically to [[:Category:15th century in the Old Swiss Confederacy]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Italian manuscripts ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Italian-language manuscripts]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 10:03, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Italian manuscripts]] to [[:Category:Italian-language manuscripts]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:CATSPECIFIC]]. I cleaned it up because it was a random mix of manuscripts written in Italian, written in Latin or Greek but by an Italian, or written in Latin or Greek but discovered in Italy ([[WP:OCLOCATION]]). Refining it to a language-based category makes most sense. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 21:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''', less ambiguous. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
*:The category does not refer to language, nor discovery. It refers to origin, that is, this is a category for manuscripts produced in Italy—which is how manuscript scholars (such as myself) tend to approach the subject. Language categorization does not make sense in this context. If you recategorize by language you’ll end up with a massive, and unhelpful, ‘Latin language manuscripts’ category. [[User:SJLahey|SJLahey]] ([[User talk:SJLahey|talk]]) 12:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
*::Marcocapelle and I answered this question at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 5#Category:Spanish manuscripts]]. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 18:17, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:German manuscripts ====
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:German manuscripts]] to [[:Category:German-language manuscripts]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:C2C]] child [[:Category:Middle High German manuscripts]], and [[WP:CATSPECIFIC]]: these manuscripts are written in the German language, not necessarily in Germany, nor about Germany, nor by Germans. See also [[:Category:German-language chronicles]]. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 21:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''', less ambiguous. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:French manuscripts ====
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:French manuscripts]] to [[:Category:French-language manuscripts]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:CATSPECIFIC]]. They are all written in the French language (except the [[Cartulary of Mont-Saint-Michel]], which is in Latin and would no longer fit the category), but not really about France. [[Armorial d'Auvergne]] is a [[roll of arms]], [[BNF fr. 113–116]] is a collection of [[Arthurian legend]]s, and the last two are songs. See also [[:Category:French-language chronicles]]. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 21:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
::The category does not refer to language, nor to topic of the manuscript. It refers to origin, that is, this is a category for manuscripts produced in France—which is how manuscript scholars (such as myself) tend to approach the subject. Language categorization does not make sense in this context. If you recategorize by language you’ll end up with a massive, and unhelpful, ‘Latin language manuscripts’ category. [[User:SJLahey|SJLahey]] ([[User talk:SJLahey|talk]]) 12:31, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Marcocapelle and I answered this question at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 5#Category:Spanish manuscripts]]. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 18:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''', less ambiguous. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:36, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Greek manuscripts ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Greek-language manuscripts]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Greek manuscripts]] to [[:Category:Greek-language manuscripts]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:CATSPECIFIC]]. These manuscripts are written in the Greek language, they are not necessarily about Greece or the Greeks, nor necessarily written by Greeks or in Greece, nor necessarily found or preserved in Greece (this is especially true about the Septuagint manuscripts). See also [[:Category:Greek-language chronicles]]. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 21:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' per actual content, and current category name is too ambiguous. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:09, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Finnish chronicles ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' to [[:Category:Finnish literature]] and [[:Category:European chronicles]] and [[:Category:History books about Finland]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:45, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose upmerging''' [[:Category:Finnish chronicles]] to [[:Category:Finnish literature]],{{#if:|&nbsp;and [[:Category:{{{target2}}}]]}} [[:Category:Scandinavian chronicles]], [[:Category:European chronicles]], and [[:Category:History books about Finland]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT]] 1 P. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 20:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom, but with three merge targets rather than four, the article should be in either [[:Category:European chronicles]] (probably) or [[:Category:Scandinavian chronicles]] (less likely). [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Scandinavian manuscripts ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Scandinavian manuscripts}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT]] 1 P, which is already in [[:Category:Swedish manuscripts]] anyway. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 20:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per [[WP:OCLOCATION]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*:That's actually a great one to argue against manuscripts/chronicles by area/location/region/country, thanks! [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 21:41, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Swedish manuscripts ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Chronicles about Sweden]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Swedish manuscripts]] to [[:Category:Chronicles about Sweden]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:CATSPECIFIC]]. It's better to rename/rescope this to be 'about Sweden', because most of these are written in Latin, not Swedish, and some are preserved in collections outside Sweden. We're more talking about chronicles than the manuscripts of those chronicles anyway. See also [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 27#Category:Manuscripts by area|Fayenatic and I talking about it elsewhere]]. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 20:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' per actual content, and a less ambiguous category name. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Middle American pictorial manuscripts ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Mesoamerican pictorial manuscripts]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Middle American pictorial manuscripts]] to [[:Category:Mesoamerican pictorial manuscripts]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[Mesoamerica]] is the pre-Columbian historical-cultural region. [[Middle America (Americas)]] is the modern region. This category is about Mesoamerica. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 20:05, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
::It sounds good. Originally, I named the category that way following John B. Glass's and Donald Robertson's classic work on the topic, "A Census of Native Middle American Pictorial Manuscripts" (1975). However, the suggested change seems sensible and makes the category more accurate for current readers. [[User:Tlakwilo|Tlakwilo]] ([[User talk:Tlakwilo|talk]]) 22:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Glad you agree! [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 18:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Bengali-language manuscripts ====
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:* '''Propose upmerging''' [[:Category:Bengali-language manuscripts]] to [[:Category:Bengali-language literature]]{{#if:|&nbsp;and [[:Category:{{{target2}}}]]}}
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:South Asian manuscripts]] to [[:Category:Bengali-language literature]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT]] 1 P. I tried to populate it with items from [[:Category:Indian manuscripts]], but couldn't find any others (except two Assamese ones, but this is a (closely related but) separate language). Parent [[:Category:South Asian manuscripts]] will thus also become empty. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 19:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. The only article is already in [[:Category:Indian manuscripts]] so a merge is not needed. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:22, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*:Fair enough. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 21:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Rulers of Monaco ====
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Rulers of Monaco]] to [[:Category:Monarchs of Monaco]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:C2C]] parents [[:Category:Monarchs in Europe]] and [[:Category:Monarchy in Monaco]]. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 18:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''', more precise. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' a regent is not a monarch. —[[User:Lights and freedom|Lights and freedom]] ([[User talk:Lights and freedom|''talk'']] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Lights and freedom|'''contribs''']]) 19:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
*:Good point. I propose we '''re-parent''' [[:Category:Regents of Monaco]] from [[:Category:Rulers of Monaco]] to all other current parents of [[:Category:Rulers of Monaco]] (except [[:Category:Monarchs in Europe]]):
*:* [[:Category:Government of Monaco]]
*:* <s>[[:Category:Heads of state in Europe]]</s>
*:* [[:Category:Monarchy in Monaco]] (regents are not monarchs, but they only exist in monarchies)
*:* [[:Category:Monegasque titles]]
*:* [[:Category:Monegasque people by occupation]]
*:* <s>[[:Category:Political history of Monaco]]</s>
*:[[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 12:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
*:::* Parenting to [[:Category:Heads of state in Europe]] is not accurate. Regents represent the head of state, they are not the head of state themselves. Parenting to [[:Category:Political history of Monaco]] just sounds a bit exaggerated, I'd say that [[:Category:Monarchy in Monaco]] sufficiently covers it. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
*:::*:Thanks, I struck the two suggestions you oppose. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 10:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Update''' I've nominated [[:Category:13th-century rulers of Monaco]] for deletion, see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 13#Category:13th-century rulers of Monaco]]. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 13:48, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. 'Ruler' is a better catch-all term for the lords and princes of Monaco, which is why it is [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=ruler+of+Monaco%2Cmonarch+of+Monaco%2Crulers+of+Monaco%2Cmonarchs+of+Monaco&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3 more widely used]. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 00:23, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose'''. More sensible to keep the Princes, Regents, and Lords together in this way. The Lords aren't really monarchs, either, but there's no reason why {{cl|Princes of Monaco}} couldn't be a direct subcat of {{cl|Monarchs in Europe}} (''cf'' {{cl|Princes of Liechtenstein‎}}). Mind you, I suppose we could always rename to {{cl|Monarcho}} ;) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 11:10, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Alemannic rulers ====
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Alemannic rulers]] to [[:Category:Alemannic monarchs]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:C2C]] parent [[:Category:Monarchs in Europe]]. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 18:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''', most of them are described as kings. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. No need to call dukes monarchs. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 00:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:* In the earliest middle ages the words duke and king were used interchangeably to refer to the heads of Germanic tribes outside of [[Francia]]. They were monarchs in any case, as they were independent hereditary rulers. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
::*No, not every early medieval duke was a monarch. Nothing is gained by calling the Alemannic rulers 'monarchs'. Nothing. It is useless conformity. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 00:43, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
::*:Meanwhile, 'ruler' still appears to be a vague ambiguous catch-all for whatever anyone wants it to mean. From emperor for life with absolute hereditary power (which can only be challenged by violence) down to local elected mayor for a 1-year fixed term (but removable from office by formal legal procedure if they engage in some sort of mismanagement or misconduct). The list of offices for which I have seen 'ruler' used as a synonym on English Wikipedia still keeps growing. If anyone writes that {{xt|Bar was a ruler of Foo}}, I still have no idea what Bar's position in Fooian society was. Fortunately, we have already cleared up most ambiguities to something more [[WP:DEFINING]]. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 19:19, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:4th-century rulers in Europe ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''merge''' to [[:Category:4th-century European people]], etc. {{nac}} –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:49, 15 June 2023 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
:* '''Propose downmerging''' [[:Category:4th-century rulers in Europe]] to [[:Category:4th-century monarchs in Europe]]
:* '''Propose downmerging''' [[:Category:5th-century rulers in Europe]] to [[:Category:5th-century monarchs in Europe]]
:* '''Propose downmerging''' [[:Category:6th-century rulers in Europe]] to [[:Category:6th-century monarchs in Europe]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT]] 0 P, 1 C. See precedent [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 27#Category:1st-century rulers in Europe]]. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 17:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Downmerge''', redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Upmerge''' to [[:Category:4th-century European people]] etc, as there is no rationale for removing the "monarchs in Europe" sub-cats from that hierarchy. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 08:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:* Good point. After so many years of experience I am still occasionally overseeing merge necessaties. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:09, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:*:I agree with this. How do I phrase a nomination like that in the future? By adding 'Keep in [[:Category:4th-century European people]]' or something? [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 18:25, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:*:: Simply '''Merge''' [[:Category:4th-century rulers in Europe]] to [[:Category:4th-century European people]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 17:26, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
:*:::Thanks! [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 19:00, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Norwegian manuscripts ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Old Norwegian manuscripts]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Norwegian manuscripts]] to [[:Category:Old Norwegian manuscripts]]
:* '''Propose re-parenting''' from [[:Category:Manuscripts by area]] to [[:Category:Manuscripts by language]]; '''re-parent''' from [[:Category:History of Norway]] and [[:Category:Works about Norway]] to [[:Category:Norwegian-language works]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:CATSPECIFIC]] To make clear this category is by language, not by country/area, and to match category description {{tq|This category contains pages on manuscripts in the Old Norwegian language, i.e. from the earliest fragments of the 12th century to the mid-16th century. (...)}} We might want to trim this description a bit, because it's unnecessarily long and argumentative for simply explaining the category's purpose. See also [[:Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 5#Category:Medieval documents of Norway]] (which might be merged into it), and [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 27#Category:Manuscripts by area]] (where I argue to change the scope from 'by area' to 'by topic'). [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 16:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
::{{ping|Hugo999}} you may find this interesting. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 16:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' per category description, and a less ambiguous category name. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:American football teams in El Paso, Texas ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:American football teams in El Paso, Texas]] to [[:Category:American football in El Paso, Texas]] and [[:Category:Sports clubs and teams in El Paso, Texas]]{{#if:|&nbsp;and [[:Category:{{{target2}}}]]}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT]] (1 C, 1 P). –[[User:Aidan721|Aidan721]] ([[User talk:Aidan721|talk]]) 15:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Merge for Now''' with no objections to recreation if we ever get to 5+ direct articles. - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 16:58, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Cemeteries in Odesa ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Cemeteries in Odesa]] to [[:Category:Buildings and structures in Odesa]] and [[:Category:Cemeteries in Ukraine]]{{#if:|&nbsp;and [[:Category:{{{target2}}}]]}}
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Cemeteries in Lviv]] to [[:Category:Buildings and structures in Lviv]] and [[:Category:Cemeteries in Ukraine]]{{#if:|&nbsp;and [[:Category:{{{target2}}}]]}}
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Cemeteries in Chernihiv]] to [[:Category:Buildings and structures in Chernihiv]] and [[:Category:Cemeteries in Ukraine]]{{#if:|&nbsp;and [[:Category:{{{target2}}}]]}}
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Cemeteries in İzmir]] to [[:Category:Buildings and structures in İzmir]] and [[:Category:Cemeteries in Turkey]]{{#if:|&nbsp;and [[:Category:{{{target2}}}]]}}
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Cemeteries in Tel Aviv]] to [[:Category:Buildings and structures in Tel Aviv]] and [[:Category:Cemeteries in the Tel Aviv metropolitan area]]{{#if:|&nbsp;and [[:Category:{{{target2}}}]]}}
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Jewish cemeteries in Hong Kong]] to [[:Category:Cemeteries in Hong Kong]], [[:Category:Jews and Judaism in Hong Kong]] and [[:Category:Jewish cemeteries]]{{#if:|&nbsp;and [[:Category:{{{target2}}}]]}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Dual merge per [[WP:SMALLCAT]] [[User:Namiba]] 13:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Dual merge''' per nom. –[[User:Aidan721|Aidan721]] ([[User talk:Aidan721|talk]]) 15:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Merge for Now''' with no objections to recreation if we ever get to 5+ direct articles. (Open to broader discussion about the parent categories.) - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 17:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:La Ferme Célébrités participants ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|La Ferme Célébrités participants}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' As celebrity contestants on a reality TV show, these fail [[WP:PERFCAT]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:red;;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:blue;;">superman</span>]]''' 11:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:26, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Clear [[WP:PERFCAT]]. - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 17:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Sports in the United States by city ====
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:*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in the United States by city and sport]] to [[:Category:Sports in the United States by populated place and sport]]
:*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in the United States by sport and city]] to [[:Category:Sports in the United States by sport and populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:American football in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:American football in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:American football teams in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:American football teams in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:American football venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:American football venues in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Players of American football by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Players of American football by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Baseball in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Baseball in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Baseball teams in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Baseball teams in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Baseball venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Baseball venues in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Baseball players by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Baseball players by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Basketball in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Basketball in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Basketball teams in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Basketball teams in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Basketball venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Basketball venues in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Basketball players by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Basketball players by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Boxing in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Boxing in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Boxing venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Boxing venues in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Boxers by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Boxing players by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Cricket in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Cricket in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Cricketers by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Cricketers by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Cycling in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Cycling in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Cyclists by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Cyclists by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Golf in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Golf in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Golf clubs and courses in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Golf clubs and courses in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Golfers by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Golfers by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Gymnastics in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Gymnastics in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Gymnastics venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Gymnastics venues in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Gymnasts by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Gymnasts by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Horse racing in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Horse racing in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Horse trainers by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Horse trainers by populated place in the United States]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Jockeys by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Jockeys by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Ice hockey in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Ice hockey in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Ice hockey teams in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Ice hockey teams in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Ice hockey venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Ice hockey venues in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Ice hockey people by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Ice hockey players by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Lacrosse in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Lacrosse in the United States by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Mixed martial arts in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Mixed martial arts in the United States by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Motorsport in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Motorsport in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Motorcycle racers by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Motorcycle racers in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Racing drivers by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Racing drivers in the United States by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Rugby union in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Rugby union in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Rugby union stadiums in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Rugby union stadiums in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Rugby union teams in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Rugby union teams in the United States by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sailing in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Sailing in the United States by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Soccer in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Soccer in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Soccer clubs in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Soccer clubs in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Soccer venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Soccer venues in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Soccer players by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Soccer players by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Softball in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Softball in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Softball teams in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Softball teams in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Softball venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Softball venues in the United States by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Swimming in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Swimming in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Swimming venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Swimming venues in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Swimmers by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Swimmers by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Tennis in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Tennis in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Tennis venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Tennis venues in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Tennis players by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Tennis players by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Track and field in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Track and field in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Athletics (track and field) venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Athletics (track and field) venues in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Track and field athletes by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Track and field athletes by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Volleyball in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Volleyball in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Volleyball venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Volleyball venues in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Volleyball players by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Volleyball players by populated place in the United States]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Wrestling in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Wrestling in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Wrestling venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Wrestling venues in the United States by populated place]]
:*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in the United States by state and city]] to [[:Category:Sports in the United States by state and populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports venues in the United States by state and city]] to [[:Category:Sports venues in the United States by state and populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports venues in California by city]] to [[:Category:Sports venues in California by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports venues in Florida by city]] to [[:Category:Sports venues in Florida by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports venues in Illinois by city]] to [[:Category:Sports venues in Illinois by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports venues in Indiana by city]] to [[:Category:Sports venues in Indiana by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports venues in Louisiana by city]] to [[:Category:Sports venues in Louisiana by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports venues in Massachusetts by city]] to [[:Category:Sports venues in Massachusetts by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports venues in New York (state) by city]] to [[:Category:Sports venues in New York (state) by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports venues in North Carolina by city]] to [[:Category:Sports venues in North Carolina by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports venues in Texas by city]] to [[:Category:Sports venues in Texas by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Alabama by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Alabama by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Alaska by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Alaska by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Arizona by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Arizona by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Arkansas by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Arkansas by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in California by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in California by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Colorado by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Colorado by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Connecticut by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Connecticut by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Delaware by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Delaware by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Florida by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Florida by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Georgia (U.S. state) by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Georgia (U.S. state) by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Hawaii by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Hawaii by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Idaho by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Idaho by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Illinois by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Illinois by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Indiana by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Indiana by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Iowa by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Iowa by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Kansas by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Kansas by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Kentucky by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Kentucky by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Louisiana by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Louisiana by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Maine by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Maine by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Maryland by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Maryland by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Massachusetts by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Massachusetts by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Michigan by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Michigan by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Minnesota by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Minnesota by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Mississippi by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Mississippi by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Missouri by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Missouri by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Montana by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Montana by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Nebraska by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Nebraska by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Nevada by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Nevada by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in New Hampshire by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in New Hampshire by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in New Jersey by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in New Jersey by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in New Mexico by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in New Mexico by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in New York (state) by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in New York (state) by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in North Carolina by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in North Carolina by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in North Dakota by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in North Dakota by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Ohio by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Ohio by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Oklahoma by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Oklahoma by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Oregon by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Oregon by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Pennsylvania by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Pennsylvania by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Rhode Island by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Rhode Island by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in South Carolina by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in South Carolina by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in South Dakota by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in South Dakota by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Tennessee by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Tennessee by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Texas by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Texas by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Utah by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Utah by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Vermont by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Vermont by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Virginia by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Virginia by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Washington (state) by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Washington (state) by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in West Virginia by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in West Virginia by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Wisconsin by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Wisconsin by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports in Wyoming by city]] to [[:Category:Sports in Wyoming by populated place]]
:*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports competitions in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Sports competitions in the United States by populated place]]
:*'''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Sportspeople by city in the United States]] to [[:Category:Sportspeople by populated place in the United States]]
:*'''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Sportspeople by town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Sportspeople by populated place in the United States]]
:*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports coaches by city or town in the United States]] to [[:Category:Sports coaches by populated place in the United States]]
:*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports teams in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Sports teams in the United States by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports teams in California by city]] to [[:Category:Sports teams in California by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Baseball teams in California by city]] to [[:Category:Baseball teams in California by populated place]]
:*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Sports venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Sports venues in the United States by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Defunct sports venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Defunct sports venues in the United States by populated place]]
::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Indoor arenas in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Indoor arenas in the United States by populated place]]
:::*'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Indoor ice hockey venues in the United States by city]] to [[:Category:Indoor ice hockey venues in the United States by populated place]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Rename all to match [[:Category:Sports in the United States by populated place]]. Many of these categories include places that are not designated as cities. For history, see [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_January_19#Category:Sports_in_the_United_States_by_city]]. Additionally merge {{cat|Sportspeople by city in the United States}} and {{cat|Sportspeople by town in the United States}} to {{cat|Sportspeople by populated place in the United States}}. –[[User:Aidan721|Aidan721]] ([[User talk:Aidan721|talk]]) 11:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
::* '''Oppose''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]].  Almost nobody calls a city or town a "populated place" in general conversation; it's "city" or "town".  If you must rename it, have it be "By Municipality"-it's certainly more commonly used than "populated place." [[User:Tom Danson|Tom Danson]] ([[User talk:Tom Danson|talk]]) 21:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
::*:Tom, "Municipality" has a different definition in every state. "Populated place" is defined by USGS and is used in WP to define all cities, towns, villages, etc. –[[User:Aidan721|Aidan721]] ([[User talk:Aidan721|talk]]) 00:10, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
::*::So [[WP:COMMONNAME]] doesn't apply here because...? [[User:Tom Danson|Tom Danson]] ([[User talk:Tom Danson|talk]]) 18:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support all''' Given the precedent, these can probably be speedily renamed.--[[User:Namiba]] 13:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support all''' there are numerous types of populated places in the USA and this name covers that better without naming which type, the definition if which is not important for the category.[[User:Djflem|Djflem]] ([[User talk:Djflem|talk]])
*'''Comment''' I thought the splitter was meant to be at the end, which most of these adhere to? [[User:Crowsus|Crowsus]] ([[User talk:Crowsus|talk]]) 09:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support all''' but agree with {{Pong|Crowsus}} that the splitter should be at the end. So rename  [[:Category:Sportspeople by populated place in the United States]] to [[:Category:Sportspeople in the United States by populated place]]. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 15:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
*:We have [[:Category:People by populated place in the United States]]. The tree is much deeper. Moving the splitter would be incorrect. –[[User:Aidan721|Aidan721]] ([[User talk:Aidan721|talk]]) 15:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Doping cases in Australian soccer ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' to [[:Category:Australian sportspeople in doping cases]] and [[:Category:Doping cases in association football]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:59, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Doping cases in Australian soccer}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:SMALLCAT]] and [[WP:NARROWCAT]], only three articles in the category. Should be upmerged to {{cat|Australian sportspeople in doping cases}} and {{cat|Doping cases in association football}}. [[User:S.A. Julio|S.A. Julio]] ([[User talk:S.A. Julio#top|talk]]) 09:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*<small>Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:S.A. Julio|S.A. Julio]] ([[User talk:S.A. Julio#top|talk]]) 09:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)</small>
*'''Upmerge''' per nom. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 17:04, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Merge for Now''' with no objections to recreation if we ever get to 5+ direct articles. - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 17:01, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Kapiti Coast District ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''rename''', but this seems to have been done out of process. {{nac}} –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 10:01, 15 June 2023 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
*'''Proposed renaming''' [[:Category:Kapiti Coast District]] to [[:Category:Kāpiti Coast District]]
*'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:C2D]] The main page of the category is [[Kāpiti Coast District]] which has the macron in it.[[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]] ([[User talk:Panamitsu|talk]]) 05:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' per nom, this could have been listed at [[WP:CFDS|speedy]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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====Category:Medieval documents of Norway====
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