Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gustav Richter: Difference between revisions
Content deleted Content added
→Gustav Richter: Keep |
→top: fix formatting per request on user talk page, apparently the bolding is confusing a bot |
||
| (5 intermediate revisions by 4 users not shown) | |||
| Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
<div class="boilerplate afd vfd xfd-closed" style="background-color: #F3F9FF; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> |
|||
| ⚫ | |||
:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this page.'' |
|||
{{REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD|B}} |
|||
<!--Template:Afd top |
|||
Note: If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to re-nominate an article for deletion, you must manually edit the AfD nomination links to create a new discussion page using the name format of [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PAGENAME (2nd nomination)]]. When you create the new discussion page, please provide a link to this old discussion in your nomination. --> |
|||
The result was '''Withdrawn''' by nominator, no !deletes. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 10:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC) |
|||
| ⚫ | |||
<noinclude>{{AFD help}}</noinclude> |
<noinclude>{{AFD help}}</noinclude> |
||
:{{la|1=Gustav Richter}} – (<includeonly>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gustav Richter|View AfD]]</includeonly><noinclude>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2021 December 22#{{anchorencode:Gustav Richter}}|View log]]</noinclude> | [[Special:Diff/1061571559/cur|edits since nomination]]) |
:{{la|1=Gustav Richter}} – (<includeonly>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gustav Richter|View AfD]]</includeonly><noinclude>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2021 December 22#{{anchorencode:Gustav Richter}}|View log]]</noinclude> | [[Special:Diff/1061571559/cur|edits since nomination]]) |
||
:({{Find sources AFD|title=Gustav Richter}}) |
:({{Find sources AFD|title=Gustav Richter}}) |
||
This biography is largely unsupported by sourcing. I previously prodded it, when it only had the passing mention in the New York Times. Now a book reference has been added, but I'm still not convinced if this alone is sufficient for [[WP:BASIC]] and [[WP:GNG]]. Gustav Richter was clearly an SS officer in Romania at some point. Is that alone notable? The SS was a large organisation. There are many more, bold claims in the article that remain unsubstantiated. If even half of these were true, it is surprising that this 14-year-old article has not garnered a few more reliable sources demonstrating substantial coverage of these events by now. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 15:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
This biography is largely unsupported by sourcing. I previously prodded it, when it only had the passing mention in the New York Times. Now a book reference has been added, but I'm still not convinced if this alone is sufficient for [[WP:BASIC]] and [[WP:GNG]]. Gustav Richter was clearly an SS officer in Romania at some point. Is that alone notable? The SS was a large organisation. There are many more, bold claims in the article that remain unsubstantiated. If even half of these were true, it is surprising that this 14-year-old article has not garnered a few more reliable sources demonstrating substantial coverage of these events by now. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 15:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
||
*'''Withdrawn by nominator''' The DE Wiki coverage does indeed appear compelling. I should have checked. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 16:08, 23 December 2021 (UTC) |
|||
:There are several sources that say that he was the advisor on Jewish affairs in Romania, i.e. the officer in charge of implementing the final solution in a country that was firmly in the Nazi camp but still retained some autonomy. This is much more than just being a "normal" SS officer. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 15:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
:There are several sources that say that he was the advisor on Jewish affairs in Romania, i.e. the officer in charge of implementing the final solution in a country that was firmly in the Nazi camp but still retained some autonomy. This is much more than just being a "normal" SS officer. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 15:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
||
* '''Keep''': A couple of points on this one. Richter seems to have played a somewhat significant role during the Holocaust in Romania, in addition to being the last person known to have seen Wallenberg alive. The corresponding German Wikipedia article lists some offline sources that would likely provide [[WP:SIGCOV]], in particular ''Romania, the Holocaust and the Logic of Violence'' by Heinen. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 19:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC) <!--VCB Curbon7--> |
* '''Keep''': A couple of points on this one. Richter seems to have played a somewhat significant role during the Holocaust in Romania, in addition to being the last person known to have seen Wallenberg alive. The corresponding German Wikipedia article lists some offline sources that would likely provide [[WP:SIGCOV]], in particular ''Romania, the Holocaust and the Logic of Violence'' by Heinen. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 19:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC) <!--VCB Curbon7--> |
||
| Line 15: | Line 22: | ||
*'''Keep''' the de.wiki article is well-sourced, indicating notability. [[User:Mccapra|Mccapra]] ([[User talk:Mccapra|talk]]) 20:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' the de.wiki article is well-sourced, indicating notability. [[User:Mccapra|Mccapra]] ([[User talk:Mccapra|talk]]) 20:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
||
*'''Keep''', as DE wiki has sufficient sources and content to establish [[WP:NPOSSIBLE]] even if the EN wiki page is presently poorly sourced. -[[User:Ljleppan|''Ljleppan'']] ([[User talk:Ljleppan|talk]]) 10:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''', as DE wiki has sufficient sources and content to establish [[WP:NPOSSIBLE]] even if the EN wiki page is presently poorly sourced. -[[User:Ljleppan|''Ljleppan'']] ([[User talk:Ljleppan|talk]]) 10:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC) |
||
*'''Comment'''. May I point out that this is an excellent illustration of why articles should not be prodded (as this was) unless they are blatant non-notable rubbish. Anything else should be taken to AfD. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 16:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC) |
|||
{{clear}} |
|||
:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this page.''<!--Template:Afd bottom--></div> |
|||
Latest revision as of 06:55, 26 December 2021
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Withdrawn by nominator, no !deletes. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 10:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Gustav Richter (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This biography is largely unsupported by sourcing. I previously prodded it, when it only had the passing mention in the New York Times. Now a book reference has been added, but I'm still not convinced if this alone is sufficient for WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. Gustav Richter was clearly an SS officer in Romania at some point. Is that alone notable? The SS was a large organisation. There are many more, bold claims in the article that remain unsubstantiated. If even half of these were true, it is surprising that this 14-year-old article has not garnered a few more reliable sources demonstrating substantial coverage of these events by now. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator The DE Wiki coverage does indeed appear compelling. I should have checked. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:08, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- There are several sources that say that he was the advisor on Jewish affairs in Romania, i.e. the officer in charge of implementing the final solution in a country that was firmly in the Nazi camp but still retained some autonomy. This is much more than just being a "normal" SS officer. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: A couple of points on this one. Richter seems to have played a somewhat significant role during the Holocaust in Romania, in addition to being the last person known to have seen Wallenberg alive. The corresponding German Wikipedia article lists some offline sources that would likely provide WP:SIGCOV, in particular Romania, the Holocaust and the Logic of Violence by Heinen. Curbon7 (talk) 19:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep the de.wiki article is well-sourced, indicating notability. Mccapra (talk) 20:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, as DE wiki has sufficient sources and content to establish WP:NPOSSIBLE even if the EN wiki page is presently poorly sourced. -Ljleppan (talk) 10:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. May I point out that this is an excellent illustration of why articles should not be prodded (as this was) unless they are blatant non-notable rubbish. Anything else should be taken to AfD. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.