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The result was '''delete'''. Having been relisted twice, I am skeptical that a third relist would have a meaningful difference. The keep that found that notability should be derived from a video by a youtuber was given no weight because it was not grounded in policy. [[WP:GHITS|GHITS]] is considered to be a poor argument by the community, so I did not find it persuasive. [[User:Guerillero|<span style="color: #0b0080">Guerillero</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color: green;">Parlez Moi</span>]]</sup> 14:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Product fails [[WP:NPRODUCT]]. Not only are the sources in the article primary or not reliable, but also there are no other sources that are significant coverage in independent reliable secondary sources that could be found by [https://www.google.com/search?as_q=newpipe&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs= searching on Google]. [[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 14:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC) |
Product fails [[WP:NPRODUCT]]. Not only are the sources in the article primary or not reliable, but also there are no other sources that are significant coverage in independent reliable secondary sources that could be found by [https://www.google.com/search?as_q=newpipe&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs= searching on Google]. [[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 14:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC) |
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*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Products|Products]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Software|Software]]. [[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 14:57, 8 October 2022 (UTC)</small> |
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*'''Strong Keep'''. [https://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cb-News-App-Check-NewPipe-YouTube-ohne-Werbung-und-Google-Anmeldung-30230479.html NewPipe was featured] on a big German newspaper called [[Bild]]. I don't know if the "Google test" is still a thing, but if it is, NewPipe is widely talked about on technology blogs and forums. Maybe more reliable sources could be found. –<code>[[User:Daveout|'''Daveout''']]</code><small>[[User talk:Daveout|(talk)]]</small> 23:53, 8 October 2022 (UTC) |
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*<s>'''keep''' Newpipe is notable enough. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SMBMovieFan|SMBMovieFan]] ([[User talk:SMBMovieFan#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SMBMovieFan|contribs]]) 17:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)</small></s> <small>strike sock vote-- [[User:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">'''Ponyo'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span>]]</sup> 23:17, 1 November 2022 (UTC)</small> |
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:Newpipe is a relatively well known alternative for watching YouTube videos. One single person who hasn't heard of the tool or doesn't understand the reason for the need, seems seems like a poor reason to deem the work of 100s of devs over 7 years as, "Not Notable". Especially knowing some of the very arcane items (some with very little data) that WP lists. |
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:How did I see this "deletion" page? Newpipe has been referenced multiple times over multiple years at ghacks.net (Most recently - https://www.ghacks.net/2022/10/21/google-is-increasing-the-price-of-youtube-premium-family-significantly/) and after all of the posts about it over the years, I wanted to learn more. [[Special:Contributions/70.112.82.122|70.112.82.122]] ([[User talk:70.112.82.122|talk]]) 06:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' Press releases/PR sources aplenty, links to their own website. Bild is about the only thing covering them for an RS. [[User:Oaktree b|Oaktree b]] ([[User talk:Oaktree b|talk]]) 20:33, 22 October 2022 (UTC) |
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**Bild is the German analogue to the [[Daily Mail]], seeing anything there makes me assume the opposite is true. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 10:21, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' [[Louis Rossmann]] devoted a video to them.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tll_2etrDfM</ref>--[[User:Froglich|Froglich]] ([[User talk:Froglich|talk]]) 06:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' Current references seem to be mostly not independent, and I can't really find many new independent and reliable ones. [[User:EchidnaLives|<span style="color:#b257f7">echidnaLives</span>]] - [[User talk:EchidnaLives|<span style="color:#fcaa3f">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/EchidnaLives|<span style="color:#3f78fc">edits</span>]] 06:30, 2 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 14:49, 2 November 2022
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Having been relisted twice, I am skeptical that a third relist would have a meaningful difference. The keep that found that notability should be derived from a video by a youtuber was given no weight because it was not grounded in policy. GHITS is considered to be a poor argument by the community, so I did not find it persuasive. Guerillero Parlez Moi 14:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
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Product fails WP:NPRODUCT. Not only are the sources in the article primary or not reliable, but also there are no other sources that are significant coverage in independent reliable secondary sources that could be found by searching on Google. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Products and Software. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:57, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. NewPipe was featured on a big German newspaper called Bild. I don't know if the "Google test" is still a thing, but if it is, NewPipe is widely talked about on technology blogs and forums. Maybe more reliable sources could be found. –
Daveout(talk) 23:53, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
keep Newpipe is notable enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SMBMovieFan (talk • contribs) 17:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)strike sock vote-- Ponyobons mots 23:17, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 14:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)- Newpipe is a relatively well known alternative for watching YouTube videos. One single person who hasn't heard of the tool or doesn't understand the reason for the need, seems seems like a poor reason to deem the work of 100s of devs over 7 years as, "Not Notable". Especially knowing some of the very arcane items (some with very little data) that WP lists.
- How did I see this "deletion" page? Newpipe has been referenced multiple times over multiple years at ghacks.net (Most recently - https://www.ghacks.net/2022/10/21/google-is-increasing-the-price-of-youtube-premium-family-significantly/) and after all of the posts about it over the years, I wanted to learn more. 70.112.82.122 (talk) 06:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Press releases/PR sources aplenty, links to their own website. Bild is about the only thing covering them for an RS. Oaktree b (talk) 20:33, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- Bild is the German analogue to the Daily Mail, seeing anything there makes me assume the opposite is true. Stifle (talk) 10:21, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Louis Rossmann devoted a video to them.[1]--Froglich (talk) 06:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Current references seem to be mostly not independent, and I can't really find many new independent and reliable ones. echidnaLives - talk - edits 06:30, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.