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The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 10:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian Pena

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Contested PROD. This player is non-notable because he has never appeared in a fully-professional league (therefore failing WP:NFOOTBALL), and has not received "significant coverage", therefore failing WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 13:58, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 13:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per membership on the U-17 Canada men's national youth soccer teams and clause 1 of WP:NFOOTBALL.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gosox5555 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Clause 1 of NFOOTBALL states "any officially sanctioned senior international competition" - youth caps do not confer notability. Giant Snowman 23:16, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

True, as above, change to delete. ^~Gosox⁽⁵⁵⁾₍₅₅₎ 23:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could you possibly strike out your keep !vote then - it looks like you're contradicting yourself otherwise! Thanks and regards, Giant Snowman 23:24, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment; the article appears to say that he has debuted for a fully professional side. Is the Canadian Soccer League not professional? And if not, is it the highest non-professional league? Ironholds (talk) 01:56, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The CSL is not fully-professional, as confirmed by WP:FPL, and playing in a semi-professional level is not enough to meet WP:NFOOTBALL. Regards, Giant Snowman 02:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting; they've changed the guideline (it used to be that the top semi-professional league would also be considered notable). Just making sure to check I wasn't missing anything; taking this into account, I would suggest deleting this article until such an occasion that the subject meets WP:GNG or WP:ATHLETE. Regards, Ironholds (talk) 03:06, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. J Mo 101 (talk) 10:23, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no reason for this player to pass WP:NFOOTBALL Spiderone 11:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 08:07, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 Contested PROD. This player is non-notable because he has never appeared in a [[WP:FPL|fully-professional league]] (therefore failing [[WP:NFOOTBALL]]), and has not received "significant coverage", therefore failing [[WP:GNG]]. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 13:58, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * <small>'''Note''': This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 13:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)</small>
-*'''Keep''' per membership on the U-17 [[Canada men's national youth soccer teams]] and clause 1 of [[WP:NFOOTBALL]].{{unsigned|Gosox5555|23:07, 1 January 2011 (UTC)}}
+*'''Keep''' per membership on the U-17 [[Canada men's national youth soccer teams]] and clause 1 of [[WP:NFOOTBALL]].<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gosox5555|Gosox5555]] ([[User talk:Gosox5555|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gosox5555|contribs]]) 23:07, 1 January 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
+:*Clause 1 of NFOOTBALL states "any officially sanctioned '''senior''' international competition" - youth caps do not confer notability. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 23:16, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
+::True, as above, change to '''delete'''. <sup>~</sup>[[User:Gosox5555|<span style="color:#0A00C4;">Gosox</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Gosox5555|<span style="color:red;">55</span>]])</sup><sub>([[Special:Contributions/Gosox5555|<span style="color:gray;">55</span>]])</sub> 23:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
+:::Could you possibly strike out your keep !vote then - it looks like you're contradicting yourself otherwise! Thanks and regards, [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 23:24, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
+*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sportspeople|list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>-- [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 23:27, 1 January 2011 (UTC)</small>
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+*'''Comment'''; the article appears to say that he ''has'' debuted for a fully professional side. Is the [[Canadian Soccer League]] not professional? And if not, is it the highest ''non''-professional league? [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 01:56, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
+:*The CSL is ''not'' fully-professional, as confirmed by [[WP:FPL]], and playing in a semi-professional level is not enough to meet [[WP:NFOOTBALL]]. Regards, [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 02:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
+::*Interesting; they've changed the guideline (it used to be that the top semi-professional league would ''also'' be considered notable). Just making sure to check I wasn't missing anything; taking this into account, I would suggest '''deleting''' this article until such an occasion that the subject meets [[WP:GNG]] or [[WP:ATHLETE]]. Regards, [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 03:06, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:J Mo 101|J Mo 101]] ([[User talk:J Mo 101|talk]]) 10:23, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' - no reason for this player to pass [[WP:NFOOTBALL]] [[User:Spiderone|<span style="color:#996600; font-size:small;">Spiderone</span>]] 11:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
+*'''Delete:''' fails [[WP:NFOOTBALL]]. <span style="font-family:Antiqua, serif;">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub>''<sup>('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></span> 08:07, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
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