Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allen Scotting

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 00:01, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Allen Scotting

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This appears to be a hoax an article about a footballer that does not pass Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Association football

• A simple google search for Allen+Scotting yields only links to obviously unrelated law firms.
  
• A search of the Charlton Athletic website yields no mention of a footballer of this name.
• There is no mention of a footballer of this name on the Gillingham Football Club website. Shirt58 (talk) 12:13, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

This article is definitely not a hoax. There is a link in the article (and has been ever since it was first created) to Barry Hugman's site, where the player is clearly listed as having played professionally for Gillingham. He also has a listing in this book and a full-blown profile in this book, both of which corroborate his professional playing career and either of which I am happy to scan and send to you. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:36, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, your claim that there is "no mention" of him on the Gillingham website is demonstrably untrue, because he is profiled here (for some reason you only searched the "current streaming video content" section of the site, and it is hardly surprising that a player who played 30 years ago isn't covered in that particular section) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:40, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

He also has a profile on this site (albeit with his name spelt incorrectly), which again verifies that he played professionally for Gillingham -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:44, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:42, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep - as ChrisTheDude has stated, the article is clearly not a hoax which was the basis of the nomination and the player passes WP:NFOOTBALL having played in a fully professional league. Kosack (talk) 12:46, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
• Delete - three appearances, according to this back in the 1980s (to technically meet NFOOTY), meaning his playing career is now over is not enough when he comprehensively fails GNG. Some COMMONSENSE is needed here, and plenty of AFD precedent exists to say that barely passing NFOOTBALL is not enough when you fail GNG, see Oscar Otazu, Vyacheslav Seletskiy, Aleksandr Salimov, Andrei Semenchuk, Artyom Dubovsky, Cosmos Munegabe, Marios Antoniades, Scott Sinclair, Fredrik Hesselberg-Meyer, Matheus Eccard, Roland Szabó (2nd nomination), Metodija Stepanovski, Linas Klimavičius, Takumi Ogawa, Nicky Fish and Andrei Nițu, amongst others. Fenix down (talk) 13:18, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:NFOOTY as he has made an appearance in a FPL Seasider91 (talk) 14:41, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
• Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL. @Fenix down: this is not the usual case (as in those you cite) of a player who made 1 app and then disappeared off the face of the planet. GiantSnowman 17:15, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: isn't that exactly what it is. He played three times for Gillingham and then played non league football. He just passes NFOOTY and 9bviously fails GNG. What am I missing? Fenix down (talk) 17:36, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

He looks to have had a decent non-league career after his League career. He didn't just vanish, he dropped down the leagues, and important difference. GiantSnowman 17:44, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

He seems to have played 9 times in the conference for Maidstone and then the rest of his career in the Kent league. How does that enhance his notability? It doesn't help for NFOOTY and appearances alone don't help GNG. I just don't get your logic here. If he had popped up again in the league I could understand it but after Gillingham his career only went down the leagues. Fenix down (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

• Keep Passes WP:NFOOTY. Number 57 10:46, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
• nominator comment: the "hoax" assertion is manifestly incorrect. Struck. --Shirt58 (talk) 11:25, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
  • You've now changed the nom to an assertion that he doesn't pass Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Association football, but it had already been established that he clearly does...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:44, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
• Keep Clearly passes WP:NFOOTY. And he doesn't just barely pass it either, contrary to Fenix down's assertions. He stuck around for quite a while after he played multiple games in a FPL, rather than playing one game and disappear off the face of the Earth. Smartyllama (talk) 18:32, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.