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== What about Rijssel sprouts? from Rijsel (Lille)? ==


Should I link the stuff I have happened upon anent the aforesaid Rijsel/Rijssel sprouts?
== Kids don't like them ==


Think the main difference is that Rijsel sprouts unlike Brussel sprouts are moreso yellow and black hued rather than green and lighter green. Also Rijsellers have a sharperlike (or is it duller?) smatch and crunchiness to them. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:991E:F6A5:D997:DF11|2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:991E:F6A5:D997:DF11]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:991E:F6A5:D997:DF11#top|talk]]) 16:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
It's probably a rather obvious point, however: what is the point of an article on brussel sprouts if it doesn't mention the obvious fact that children avoid them like the plague? It's come up in serious discussions regarding food consumption and the development of children etc. [[User:Mattabat|Mattabat]] 06:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Preserved but removed speculation. [[User:Wikidemo|Wikidemo]] 11:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
::There really should be some comment in the article about this. Brussels sprouts are famous in popular culture as the most hated of all foods for children, rivaled only by liver and broccoli. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/198.82.90.141|198.82.90.141]] ([[User talk:198.82.90.141|talk]]) 20:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== It is more often known and said as “Brussel sprouts” not “Brussels sprouts” ==
:It's a '''meme''', a media-perpetrated 'urban' legend, not a fact. IN OTHER WORDS: Poles/Russians/the Irish are all drunks, Jews/Arabs/Americans are all greedy to the point of absurdity, black people [etc etc etc...] AND CHILDREN ALL HATE HATE HAAAATE BRUSSELS SPROUTS! The depressing bit here is that, like some less-than-intelligent and more media-impressionable people tend to believe these stereotypes, a larger portion of elementary school-age children (due to less mature cognitive skills and little ability to identify and discern sources) actually buys into that crap, the paradox being that by perpetuating this meme/legend, we are actually creating the phenomenon that it claims to refer to. ALSO, kids can assert their independent streak by being horrid contrarians and may resist anything that is overly pushed upon them, so overly health-conscious mums tend to drive them away from real food and into the cookie jar. Try forbidding sprouts and broccoli while the rest of the family munches on them with joy, and you're more than likely to find kids begging for them in a couple weeks. Fact: kids who've never heard of brussels sprouts from mum or TV treat them much like any other vegetable or side dish. [[User:Aadieu|Aadieu]] ([[User talk:Aadieu|talk]]) 00:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
::Wow, Aadieu, you need to settle down. First of all, the stereotype of kids eating not liking brussels sprouts isn't derogatory (or downright horrible) like your racial slurs are. What it's more like is the stereotype of college students eating nothing but Top Ramen. But most importantly, isn't the point of Wikipedia to '''not''' include peoples' personal opinions or "original research"? We just talk about facts, and a verifiable fact is that kids are portrayed in American media as strongly disliking brussles sprouts. What's more, if Mattabat has a point and there really are documented discussions about the negative impact "anti-vegetable" stereotypes have on children's health then it should definitely be included, precisely for the reason you think it shouldn't.
::Here are just a few quickly Googled news stories and blog posts. I'm not sure what is defined as an authoritative source to Wikipedia, but here are some examples at least:
::*http://www.post-journal.com/page/content.detail/id/550474/Brussels-Sprouts-and-Little-White-Lies.html?nav=82
::*http://blogs.kqed.org/bayareabites/2010/11/10/defending-brussels-sprouts/
::*http://blogs.kqed.org/bayareabites/2010/11/04/lets-make-a-deal-eat-your-vegetables/
:::--[[Special:Contributions/69.169.163.169|69.169.163.169]] ([[User talk:69.169.163.169|talk]]) 23:12, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


Why on earth would the aforesaid information be seemingly censored? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:F5DA:ADA6:7D3B:FDAE|2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:F5DA:ADA6:7D3B:FDAE]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:F5DA:ADA6:7D3B:FDAE#top|talk]]) 22:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Children’s dislike of the vegetable is not universal. If there were to be a mention of it in the article (which would only serve to further perpetuate it since most kids don’t like it not because they think it tastes bad, but because at an early age, they heard that it tastes bad—children see, children do), then it should definitely have some sort of cultural qualification. In many places in the world, children do not have this hang-up about them. The taste of Brussels-sprouts depends on how it is prepared. North Americans may always prepare it in a bad way, but in a lot of cultures, they prepare it in tasty ways, so this hang-up may not exist at all. In fact, if there is to be a mention of its taste, it would be more objective to say that it requires careful preparation to avoid bitterness. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Synetech|Synetech]] ([[User talk:Synetech|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Synetech|contribs]]) 18:37, 30 December 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


: Quite. I've never heard anyone say "Brussel'''s''' sprouts" nor seen them write it; except on Wikipedia, but Wikipedia does seem to have a developed an annoying habit of trying to enforce standards that nobody uses. For the record I'm in the UK, which I mention as someone in the archived talk suggested Brussels-with-an-S sprouts is the local usage here, which it's not, at least not IME. --[[User:Vometia|Vometia]] ([[User talk:Vometia|talk]]) 14:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:It is a '''meme''' or a '''stereotype''', I have to agree - and would definitely think that such text does not belong except when stated as a common believe. As a kid I always loved Brussel Sprouts, and Liver too btw (personal #1). I loved black coffee/no sugar as a kid, and preferred to drink a little of a good Trappist over a common table beer (which wasn't illegal for me back then, and would still not be, not in Belgium). I wasn't the only kid who loved Brussel Sprouts, those vegetables were a regular on Belgian school menu's and cantina's, so why the difference? Mostly culture, there was no negative predisposition from my parents, so I learned to eat it, and learned to appreciate it's taste. As long as we don't put those things in our own head first, we will see that kids learn to adopt easily. For pete's sake, I have seen kids refusing to touch food with a single speck in it, now you answer, how does this start - all guilty aren't we? Let's slowly introduce a good variety of fruits and vegetables to our kids, get them used to different tastebud kickers and textures, or do you wan't to keep feeding your kids just white rice with yogurt, or white chicken breast and mashed potatoes - absolutely no specks? In my own live there is not a single thing that I didn't try, and I have encountered a few things I didn't like, but I all tried them first: sun-dried octopus, testicles, goat brain - but I do know people who enjoy those too, I mean somebody gave me culinary advise for those ... [[User:Jdesmet|Jdesmet]] ([[User talk:Jdesmet|talk]]) 04:02, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
::The article is written in American English, and I suspect 'Brussels sprouts' is the more common term there. I agree 'Brussel' is standard in the UK. UK/US spats over common vegetable names occur frequently on WP. --[[User:Ef80|Ef80]] ([[User talk:Ef80|talk]]) 19:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
:::The Americans do not say Brussel'''s''' sprouts. They say (and write) Brussel sprouts without the “s”. The native Dutch spelling for the capital of Belgium happens to be “Brussel” Englishspeaking Wikipedia leaves seem to have some kind of creepy inbuilt Francophone agenda going on hence the enforcing of “Brussels” as an tribute to Francophonism. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:45A1:F89B:B551:B329|2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:45A1:F89B:B551:B329]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:45A1:F89B:B551:B329|talk]]) 22:58, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


I remember that I, too, thought it was "Brussel sprouts" when I was a child. Then I grew up and realized that most people can't spell. [[User:Richard K. Carson|Richard K. Carson]] ([[User talk:Richard K. Carson|talk]]) 01:46, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
::Well, I liked them as a child, moreso than most vegetables as they have flavour to them. This meme seems to have started due to bad experiences in (British) post-war austerity with poor quality vegetables, overcooked into a nasty stinky pulp, like the dreaded "school cabbage". I don't think a wikipedia article should go out of its way to mention such a dubious factoid.[[Special:Contributions/82.71.30.178|82.71.30.178]] ([[User talk:82.71.30.178|talk]]) 19:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)


== Robert Rankin ==
::: Setting aside all that interesting banter, there is indeed a genetic reason that some people taste Brussels sprouts as bitter and some do not:
::: http://metro.co.uk/2011/12/23/if-you-hate-brussels-sprouts-it-could-be-in-your-dna-say-scientists-265072/
::: https://www.23andme.com/health/Bitter-Taste-Perception/
[[User:Kortoso|Kortoso]] ([[User talk:Kortoso|talk]]) 17:58, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

== Preparation ==

How should sprouts be best cooked? Cooking time?

[[User:Davidzuccaro|davidzuccaro]] 07:26, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'd say: Cooking time 7-10 Minutes, but u can test the sprouts from time to time to get the best cooking time

There was a link in the external links area to Cooking For Engineers which provides a well tested method of preparing brussels sprouts, but I guess the wikipedia overlords determined it wasn't worthy of linking... If someone wants to put it back it's:
http://www.cookingforengineers.com/recipe.php?id=136&title=Braised+Brussels+Sprouts
I don't want to put something up that someone's removed before though...
--[[User:69.105.119.167|69.105.119.167]] 05:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

:: Toss them with oil, salt and pepper, roast them in an oven at 425º for 15 minutes, turn and roast for another five, and keep turning every five minutes until they're soft and the outer leaves are blackened. --[[Special:Contributions/24.3.194.81|24.3.194.81]] ([[User talk:24.3.194.81|talk]]) 16:36, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

:::Wash them and cut the largest ones in half so that they will cook more evenly, then steam for ten minutes and serve hot. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.61.164.169|68.61.164.169]] ([[User talk:68.61.164.169|talk]]) 21:12, 13 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Spelling ==

Alright Wikipedians...I give up...What exactly is the correct spelling for "brussel sprouts"? Is it:

# Brussel sprout
# Brussel'''s''' sprout
# Brussel sprout'''s'''
# Brussel'''s''' sprout'''s'''

Is there such a thing as a singular and plural form of the word? If we can figure this out, we can add this to the article I think. --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 19:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
:I don't always see eye to eye with others on common names, but I have never heard them referred to as anything but "Brussels sprouts" in real life. I have never thought of it as a plural for which there is a singular form, but as just the name for the thing, like a leaf of "greens" is never referred to as "a green". -- [[User:WormRunner|WormRunner]] 19:41, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

::According to my Collins dictionary, Brussel'''s''' sprout, Brussel'''s''' sprout'''s''', and "Brussel sprout" are used. The term "Brussel sprouts" is not used. Ah, satisfying :o) --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 19:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Simply for the sake of adding to the fun, you will note three pictures at the bottom of the article, and if you click on the extreme right picture, you will see that the stalks have a little placard next to it, whereon we see written "Brussell sprout" (although to be honest, only the "ell" from "Brussell" is actually visible). [[User:Hi There|Hi There]] 03:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

:::How is it that the Collins dictionary picks the one version that's most common and claims it isn't used at all? [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] 08:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

::Funny how those dictionaries go. In dutch/flemish you would refer to the city as "Brussel", but in English the city is called "Brussels", probably because of the french/walloon "Bruxelles". So point is is "Brussels" in English for the city name, and wouldn't "From Brussels" still be written as "Brussels" (like "from England" would be written as "English")? [[User:Jdesmet|Jdesmet]] ([[User talk:Jdesmet|talk]]) 04:20, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

::: IMHO, Collins is a "descriptive" source, merely reporting how words are commonly misspelled. [[Brussels]] is the city that this vegetable is named after. One sprout is a sprout and two or more sprouts are, well... [[User:Kortoso|Kortoso]] ([[User
talk:Kortoso|talk]]) 21:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

The correct spelling is "Brussel Sprouts"

I believe it's spelled brussels sprout. Not with a capital B. It's a vegetable.

== Origin ==

Commented out is that they originate from Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is mentioned in the reference, but it seems very dubious. The quote reads "They originate from Europe through the Asian countries of Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan", which is nonsensical; and on the same reference it reads: "Brussel sprouts, Brassica oleracea var gemmifera, are known to be native to cool regions in northern Europe" which is in line with all other sources.
:I added another quote from a reference that mentions ancient Rome, and an earlier date in Europe. This may be untrue as well. Several of the sources are quite unreliable, saying obviously untrue things such as that most of the US crop comes from Long Island (it is in fact 2%). [[User:Wikidemo|Wikidemo]] 11:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I also take issue about the part that says (quoting): "The Brussels sprout has long been popular in Brussels, Belgium and may have originated there.[1]" The provided reference is good, but has been interpreted too freely. I have used another good reference at http://www.plattelandswijzer.be/default.aspx?PageId=558, however in dutch. I am not sure how to deal with translations in Wiki for sourcing. So main point is that it became first popular under the name "Choux de Bruxelles", hence the name "Brussels Sprout". Probably because of the local markets, it started getting popular around Brussels, and other main cities in Flanders. From there it proliferated further to Northern France. So with all this, and maybe still using the original reference, I would like to rephrase this simply as "The Brussel sprout has long been popular in Belgium". I definitely would not dare to say that it originated there. [[User:Jdesmet|Jdesmet]] ([[User talk:Jdesmet|talk]]) 04:40, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

== External Links ==

I have replaced the former single entry (about 4 recipes) with a link to a much more extensive recipe list (and I agree with a post above that the cooking for engineers link probably should be put back, but will wait to see if anyone comments). I also augmented the links list a bit (full disclosure: I maintain the home-gardening site linked).

[[User:Owlcroft|Eric Walker]] 06:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Produce digestive transit? ==

The page says:

"Fresh Brussels sprouts can make a healthy, crunchy snack when prepared, but consuming this way can produce digestive transit."

Is this last thing a euphemism for "cause diarrhoea"? Or is it meant to be "speed up digestive transit"? All raw vegetables go through you pretty quickly, so this might not be remarkable to for Brussels, and all foods produce digestive transit of course.

Change it if you agree!
[[Special:Contributions/155.198.233.109|155.198.233.109]] ([[User talk:155.198.233.109|talk]]) 20:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:It is a truth universally acknowledged that eating large amounts of brassica leaves (particularly sprouts) makes you fart and gives you the shits. This doesn't necessarily involve diarrhoea but it certainly clears you out --[[User:Ef80|Ef80]] ([[User talk:Ef80|talk]]) 20:38, 14 December 2015 (UTC).

== Spicy Sprouts? ==

I just finished cooking and eating a side of sprouts (LOVE them) that had a distinct flavor of horseradish--even to the point of clear my sinuses because they were so spicy.

Has anyone else heard of a species that has this attribute? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Maerikae|Maerikae]] ([[User talk:Maerikae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Maerikae|contribs]]) 18:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Brussels sprouts are a member of the brassica family of vegetables, like cabbage, turnips, and many others. All brassica vegetables are rich in glucosinolates and an enzyme called myrosinase which, when exposed to air and moisture introduced from the outside, breaks down the glucosinolates to produce isothiocyanates, nitriles, and thiocyanates, which create the mustard-like/horseradish-like flavor you noted; evolutionary biologists speculate that this may be a chemical defense system that discourages animals from eating the plant.
:Cooking the brussels sprouts longer, especially if you cook them with a bit of oil, breaks these chemicals down and makes the sprouts sweet again. Serving them with a little bit of butter or margarine can also help (and it's why we use oily mayonnaise-based dressings on coleslaw, to reduce this flavor in freshly shredded cabbage), or braising or stirfrying them long enough to begin to caramelize the exterior just a bit. Just don't overcook them and turn them mushy. No one likes mushy brussels sprouts. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.61.164.169|68.61.164.169]] ([[User talk:68.61.164.169|talk]]) 21:25, 13 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Sprout ==

If you leave them to grow, do these 'sprouts' grow into full-sized cabbage heads? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.73.70.113|75.73.70.113]] ([[User talk:75.73.70.113|talk]]) 18:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:This isn't [[Yahoo Answers]] but no. They mature on the side of the stock (an image is provided), depending on the strain. However, there is a formation on top of the stock called a "brussels top". It's usually not sold in markets (not sure if commercial producers discard it or use it for something). It looks a little more like a cabbage - here are some pictures.[http://topveg.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/top-of-sprout-stalk.jpg][http://farm1.static.flickr.com/120/268824765_5267ce125d.jpg?v=1161564237]. And if you leave it for longer it forms a "seed head" kind of like a dandelion.[http://www.kitchengardeners.org/blogs/kate1966/2005/12/brussels_sprouts.html].
:As to the last question, brussels sprouts are a kind of Brassica oleracea, which also includes (among other things) Kale and Chinese broccoli. There's a fairly common flavor that's a little bit like wild mustard or mustard seeds. I wonder if it's that. Also, Brussels Sprouts are famous for producing strong flavors if not cooked just right. Not sure if you want to go to this length, but there are food science journals and books about brussels sprouts flavor.[http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2621.1979.tb03476.x][http://books.google.com/books?id=_OvXjhLUz-oC&pg=RA1-PA239&lpg=RA1-PA239&dq=%22brussels+sprouts%22+volatile&source=web&ots=fxeBhBtpAE&sig=OJpE0Kn7mbj2FWW16Ac9ZMBRsFs&hl=en#PPT261,M1]. People say that blanching brings out these flavors more than other cooking methods.[[User:Wikidemo|Wikidemo]] ([[User talk:Wikidemo|talk]]) 20:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:: Only problem with that is: some people LIKE the strong flavours, so it isn't necessarily cooking them just *right* when they turn out bland. They can, in fact, be used as a flavour-creating additive to soups, gruels, etc. [[User:Aadieu|Aadieu]] ([[User talk:Aadieu|talk]]) 00:39, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

:: ''> This isn't [[Yahoo Answers]]''
:: No, but the term 'sprout' usually evokes a sense of seeds and germination, so a lot of people think of any sort of sprout as basically being a ''baby (read unfinished) plant''. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Synetech|Synetech]] ([[User talk:Synetech|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Synetech|contribs]]) 18:42, 30 December 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::: If you harvest a head of green cabbage but leave the stub of the stem and root in the ground, and the weather conditions are right, a stem will grow vertically from it up to about a meter tall, upon which small leaves and stems will appear. Over time, the leaves will curl up, and additional leaves will grow to curl around them, forming little growths that bear a strong resemblance to Brussels sprouts. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.61.164.169|68.61.164.169]] ([[User talk:68.61.164.169|talk]]) 21:31, 13 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Same family? ==

In the broccoli page, it states that there is only one species whose cultivars are kohlrabi, cauliflower, broccoli, kohlrabi, and brussel sprouts. I don't know about collard greens though.[[Special:Contributions/72.78.8.81|72.78.8.81]] ([[User talk:72.78.8.81|talk]]) 20:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== Nutrition? ==

I'd like to request that someone add a section about nutrition. I have no idea how nutritious brussels sprouts are, but that's what I came to this page for. Also, I recommend that the Wikipedia staff remove the "they taste like poo and they are shit" comment above. It's unsigned, and the unnecessary vulgarity doesn't contribute to this discussion. [[User:Cowgod14|Cowgod14]] ([[User talk:Cowgod14|talk]]) 19:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:A nutrition section is an excellent idea; if you go to the [[broccoli]] page, you'll find a nutrition infobox and a link to a USDA nutrition data base. If you have a few minutes to spare, you can copy the infobox code from the broccoli page and fill in the appropriate data about Brussels sprouts. Otherwise another editor (maybe me!) will get around to it eventually... but meanwhile, [[WP:BB|be bold]]! I've removed the talk page comment you mentioned, but in the future, feel free to remove any instance of [[WP:Vandal|vandalism]] yourself-- as a registered editor, you ''are'' Wikipedia staff. Read the [[Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Editing_comments|talk page guidelines]] for information about when it's ok to edit other editors' comments, and if you're unsure, well, do exactly what you just did: call attention to the matter on the talk page, or [[Wikipedia:Questions|ask somebody else]]. Thanks for your work, and happy editing! --[[User:Fullobeans|Fullobeans]] ([[User talk:Fullobeans|talk]]) 23:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:: I've added it. You can find other nutritional values at [http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ USDA National Nutrient Database] [[User:Tremello22|Tremello22]] ([[User talk:Tremello22|talk]]) 16:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

== England/UK ==

This doesn't turn up as much as it used to, but as I've just corrected it in this article I will mention it here: please do ''not'' write "England" when you mean "the United Kingdom". Quite apart from the annoyance it causes, much more important is that it's factually inaccurate. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/86.132.142.153|86.132.142.153]] ([[User talk:86.132.142.153|talk]]) 16:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== Other Points ==
A few basics that perhaps ought or ought not to go in here;
: - In Europe at least, Brussels are a ''winter'' veg
: - Brussels are a traditional (albeit sometimes unwelcome) constituent of a traditional British (+elsewhere?) Christmas dinner
: - Brussels are usually sold loose by weight but are increasingly also being offered by supermarkets on the stalk
: - Brussels often find themselves the scapegoat for a post-Sunday lunch bout of flatulence
Any thoughts welcome. [[User:Traveller palm|Traveller palm]] ([[User talk:Traveller palm|talk]]) 19:26, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


Absolutely, can't believe there's no mention of Xmas dinner or of their joke status in Britain, while a whole section about the US! ( and 6 years later) This site is so US-centric it's not funny. [[Special:Contributions/188.220.36.29|188.220.36.29]] ([[User talk:188.220.36.29|talk]]) 22:48, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
:Agreed, the page is very US centric at present. I'm tempted to add a globalize template but will hang fire for a bit. We're in the middle of the sprout eating season in the UK at present so hopefully somebody will be motivated to improve things. The difficulty is finding [[WP:RS]] for stuff that is well known but still apocryphal. --[[User:Ef80|Ef80]] ([[User talk:Ef80|talk]]) 20:22, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

== Popularity - repellant taste - banning from warship ==

Several of the foregoing comments on the discussion page note the unpopularity of Brussels sprouts but have been unable to come up with much in the way of citation.

I would be interested to see if other editors believe the attached [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5549951/Brussels-sprouts-banned-from-warship.html article] passes [[WP:Notability]]. It discusses the case of a British warship captain who has banned brussels sprouts from being served aboard his warship on the grounds ''they are the devil's vegetable and the only thing I do not like, and the only thing I hate'' whilst at the same time noting that the ban had nothing to do with alleged generation of excess flatulence. Kind regards--'''''<span style= "font-size:large;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">[[User:Calabraxthis|<span style="color:#000">Cala</span><span style="color:#f00">braxthis</span>]]</span><sup>[[User talk:Calabraxthis| <span style="color:#a00">(talk) </span>]]</sup>''''' 10:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

:I can tell you that in the US Navy two shipboard cafeteria staple ingredients are "blasted chicken" (frozen mechanically separated chicken meat, purchased in bulk, so named for its appearance of having been blasted off the bones with dynamite, and usually badly freezer-burned) and "little green balls of death" (frozen Brussels sprouts from the lowest bidder, almost invariably badly freezer-burned, universally loathed even by those who have no animus for the fresh vegetable). One hears stories dating to the 1980s and 1990s of ships hauling around, and occasionally cooking, decades-old frozen food that had been packaged for the war in Vietnam, of the frozen Brussels sprouts packaged in 1967 and served in 1994. How true these tales are, I know not. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.61.164.169|68.61.164.169]] ([[User talk:68.61.164.169|talk]]) 21:39, 13 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

In the realm of gastronomy, and the questions addressing whether a particular food is inherently delicious or vile, no volume of citation nor anecdotal testimony is ever likely to settle the matter. Food preference is subjective. That which tastes appealing to one may be the very same food that another finds simply unpalatable. Many factors contribute to how food preference differs between individuals or among entire cultures. One major factor may be what you were accustomed to eating as a child. Here, the likelihood is that if you liked something as a child, you will probably like it as an adult. The converse is equally likely. If you detested it as a child, you will probably detest it as an adult.

Cultural differences, preparation methods, seasoning styles, harvest timing, soil conditions, climate variances, and storage options are just some of the many variables that can affect ones judgment of a type of food.

Seeking universal consensus on the appeal of a particular food seems to be a lot like politics in that both are subject to endless debate, and tend to produce an inconclusive result.

If you like it, bon appetit! If you do not like it, politely remove it from your mouth and thereafter avoid it. [[User:Rberksza|Rberksza]] ([[User talk:Rberksza|talk]]) 17:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

== Should the article be renamed "Brussels sprout'''s'''"? ==

Should the article be renamed "Brussels sprout'''s'''"? Usually articles should be named in the singular, but exceptions are made for words which are almost always used in the plural (e.g. [[corn flakes]], [[scissors]], [[grits]]). Is this the case for this plant/vegetable/dish? --[[User:Jorge Stolfi|Jorge Stolfi]] ([[User talk:Jorge Stolfi|talk]]) 20:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:Good question, Jorge. I would say no. The examples you gave are different in that "corn flakes" are always sold as corn flakes. Scissors, if unassembled, would no longer work (kind of like pants and eyeglasses:), and grits are always sold as grits. For comparison, I looked up pea, another food that is always eaten "plurally". The article is "pea," so I think for the sake of consistency, this article should be "sprout". Let us know if you find any vegetable or fruit articles with plural names. [[User:DBlomgren|DBlomgren]] ([[User talk:DBlomgren|talk]]) 19:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:: We should defer to the botanical name. I would eat a bowl of potatoes, but the plant is a [[potato]]. Although botanically, the common spelling is '''Brussels sprouts''' <ref>http://www.botanical-online.com/english/brusselssprouts.htm</ref><ref>http://www.specialtyproduce.com/produce/Brussels_Sprouts_Leaves_3958.php</ref>
[[User:Kortoso|Kortoso]] ([[User talk:Kortoso|talk]]) 21:18, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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== Growing season and harvest ==

I think it is important to specify the growing season (spring? summer?) and the harvest time. When do you normally find fresh Brussels sprouts in stores in the United States for example? Could someone add this information? [[User:DBlomgren|DBlomgren]] ([[User talk:DBlomgren|talk]]) 19:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sprout-like buds form on the stalk of normal cabbage after harvest ==

I have noticed, when gardening, that if, after the harvest, after the cabbage itself is severed from the stem, if weather is still warm and clement, the remnant stem will after some days grow vertically to a height of between half a meter and a meter, with a noticeable tapering quality, being as thick as the remnant stem at the bottom and coming to a narrow point at the top. Buds will appear all over its surface and tiny leaves will form, which will curl up into Brussels sprout-like formations, which will mature, increasing slowly in size over a period of weeks. They can be cut off the stem and are by all appearances, color, texture, and flavor, normal Brussels sprouts. Has anyone else observed this? Do all cultivars of cabbage do this, or only some? Is there some soil nutrient that is required for their formation?

== Farting ==

do brussel sprouts really make you fart? if so why? --[[User:Lerdthenerd|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Lerd</span><span style="color:#00FF00;">the</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">nerd</span> ]][[User talk:Lerdthenerd#top|<span style="color:#00BBEE;">wiki defender</span>]] 20:40, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

== nutrients per sprout ==

The article has a good nutrition box, but just "per 100g", with no info about how many sprouts this would be. A one-pound bag of Trader Joes Brussels Sprouts fresh US (California?) is labeled for a serving size of 4 sprouts (84g), implying 21g per sprout. Weighing a random group of ten, the actual weight is 7 to 21g each, averaging 12.5g each. So maybe it would be fair to say, 5-10 sprouts per 100g? The current usda.gov page says 19g/sprout.

It is also notable that although the article says that Vit K is the most outstanding nutrient (169% per 100g) the current standard US "Nutrition Facts" package label does not mention Vit K (and TJ does not mention it anywhere else on the pkg either). It seems like the article text should probably have more to say about Vit K.
-[[Special:Contributions/71.174.188.43|71.174.188.43]] ([[User talk:71.174.188.43|talk]]) 14:13, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Here is the detailed nutritional information: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2822/2

Also notice the spelling used is "Brussels sprouts". Apparently, 1 cup of brussels sprouts = 155g. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.125.193.219|71.125.193.219]] ([[User talk:71.125.193.219|talk]]) 00:05, 6 November 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Said out as: Brussel sprouts NOT Brussels sprouts ==

Should be no "s" in the Brussel bit.

Almost creepy how (unlike almost all wikis) no prounciation is given for the wiki page's subject.

Again, in English, Brussels should be said as if it is spelt like it's Dutch spelling - Brussel sprouts NOT Brussels sprouts. Indeed, most shops and trading list: Brussel sprouts NOT Brussels sprouts.

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: Agreed — [[User:Grmanners|GRM]] ([[User talk:Grmanners|talk]]) 15:56, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

== Leaves and stalks also edible ==

Please improve the article, with information about whether all parts of the plant are edible; this does seem to be more or less true. The leaves (separate from the buds) seem to be very edible; in some parts of the world leaves are sold commercially. The stalk seems to be somewhat edible, subject to the degree of cooking and whether there is a preference for removing the more woody (bamboo-like) layers.-[[Special:Contributions/73.114.25.247|73.114.25.247]] ([[User talk:73.114.25.247|talk]]) 16:16, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
:Seems a [[WP:FRINGE]] topic to me. Would require [[WP:RS]] sources for whether there is significant commerce for stalks and leaves, and if there has been any reliable assessment of their nutrients. --[[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 16:35, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

== Freeze Brussel Sprouts ==

Can you Freeze Brussel Sprouts and if so, for how long? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.11.117.194|96.11.117.194]] ([[User talk:96.11.117.194#top|talk]]) 19:29, 29 December 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Absolutely. If brought below 0 degrees Celsius the water-based liquids within the plant tissue will indeed solidify. This has been experimentally verified by every commercially manufacturer of frozen foods since the Second World War. If you are asking how palatable they will be after freezing, or about appropriate methods to freeze the fresh vegetable to preserve it for later consumption, this web page recommends a simple and straightforward blanching method, after which they are placed in freezer bags and put in the freezer, and says that they keep over a year once so prepared: https://www.reference.com/food/freeze-brussels-sprouts-2bdb041b385c7e19 <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:400:8001:6EC0:7046:AC6F:D721:F60F|2601:400:8001:6EC0:7046:AC6F:D721:F60F]] ([[User talk:2601:400:8001:6EC0:7046:AC6F:D721:F60F#top|talk]]) 03:38, 13 January 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Misspelled article ==

The article is missing all references to the widely accepted spelling "Brussel Sprouts"

If the correct spelling isn't accepted as primary, then it should at the very least be include as an alternate. Since I clearly did not know the proper way to correct this misinformation, perhaps someone can fix it? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.47.83.48|69.47.83.48]] ([[User talk:69.47.83.48#top|talk]]) 16:47, 8 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Agree and have added a comment and references. --[[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 17:10, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
::I think the naming is a minor [[WP:ENGVAR]] issue. Americans tend to use 'Brussel' and Brits 'Brussels', though there are no hard and fast rules. It's odd that an article with a pronounced US focus uses the British name though. Maybe the article was created by a Brit and subsequently expanded by American editors - it happens. --[[User:Ef80|Ef80]] ([[User talk:Ef80|talk]]) 11:28, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

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== Citation edit ==

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== What about Rijssel sprouts? from Rijsel (Lille)? ==

Should I link the stuff I have happened upon anent the aforesaid Rijsel/Rijssel sprouts?


Since many of your articles are cluttered up with seemingly useless Popular Culture sections in which the most trivial of references, especially being casually mentioned in passing on "The Simpsons", are listed as if they were tremendously important, would it not be in keeping with your policies regarding what is and is not useful information that belongs in a real encyclopedia to point out that the best-selling humorous author Robert Rankin has written numerous books which feature as a major character a sentient Brussels sprout called Barry? Not to mention quite a few which actually have "sprout" in their titles. Just saying. [[Special:Contributions/86.130.233.165|86.130.233.165]] ([[User talk:86.130.233.165|talk]]) 09:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Think the main difference is that Rijsel sprouts unlike Brussels sprouts are moreso yellow and black hued rather than green and lighter green. Also Rijsellers have a sharperlike (or is it duller?) smatch and crunchiness to them. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:991E:F6A5:D997:DF11|2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:991E:F6A5:D997:DF11]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:991E:F6A5:D997:DF11#top|talk]]) 16:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Taste ==
== Historical cultivation ==


I should have come here first, to avoid what just happened due to my reckless changes.
Are disgusting [[Special:Contributions/92.21.145.104|92.21.145.104]] ([[User talk:92.21.145.104|talk]]) 16:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
To the point: the sources seem rather contentious on when Brussels sprouts were first cultivated.
* From [https://www.brusselstimes.com/835109/a-belgian-history-of-the-brussels-sprout Brussels Times], we have "the cultivation of cabbages and sprouts in Saint-Gilles is said to go back as far as the 13th century."
* From [https://web.archive.org/web/20070913023038/http://www.uga.edu/vegetable/brusselsprouts.html UGA], "a popular vegetable crop in Belgium during the ''sixteenth century'' from which they were spread to the surrounding countries throughout temperate Europe."
* From [https://www.foodtimeline.org/foodfaq.html#brussels Food Timeline], "sometime between the 17th and 18th century." (This also quotes ''World History of Food'', which is where the "first recorded description in 1587" comes from.)
I don't doubt that the progenitors of this cultivar came from ancient Rome as that general area is corroborated by other sources that discuss different ''[[Brassica oleracea]]'' histories.
How specific can the history be on when something that can be recognized as a Brussels sprout originated? [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span>]] 03:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
::What's your point? The article already mentions the uncertainty. And your second ref makes no claim as to when they were '''first''' cultivated. It simply says they were popular in one area in the16th century.
::Your third ref is quoting what various sources say. There is much more than just two differing dates in that one. For example, you don't mention the quote "cite stray references from Brussels in the 13th century and documents about wedding feasts of the Burgundian court at Lille in the 15th century." [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 03:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Then 1213 might be the "earliest" date, if it's corroborated between the two Oxford University Press books at the third source. [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span>]] 14:35, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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What about Rijssel sprouts? from Rijsel (Lille)?

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Should I link the stuff I have happened upon anent the aforesaid Rijsel/Rijssel sprouts?

Think the main difference is that Rijsel sprouts unlike Brussel sprouts are moreso yellow and black hued rather than green and lighter green. Also Rijsellers have a sharperlike (or is it duller?) smatch and crunchiness to them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:991E:F6A5:D997:DF11 (talk) 16:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is more often known and said as “Brussel sprouts” not “Brussels sprouts”

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Why on earth would the aforesaid information be seemingly censored? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:F5DA:ADA6:7D3B:FDAE (talk) 22:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quite. I've never heard anyone say "Brussels sprouts" nor seen them write it; except on Wikipedia, but Wikipedia does seem to have a developed an annoying habit of trying to enforce standards that nobody uses. For the record I'm in the UK, which I mention as someone in the archived talk suggested Brussels-with-an-S sprouts is the local usage here, which it's not, at least not IME. --Vometia (talk) 14:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The article is written in American English, and I suspect 'Brussels sprouts' is the more common term there. I agree 'Brussel' is standard in the UK. UK/US spats over common vegetable names occur frequently on WP. --Ef80 (talk) 19:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Americans do not say Brussels sprouts. They say (and write) Brussel sprouts without the “s”. The native Dutch spelling for the capital of Belgium happens to be “Brussel” Englishspeaking Wikipedia leaves seem to have some kind of creepy inbuilt Francophone agenda going on hence the enforcing of “Brussels” as an tribute to Francophonism. 2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:45A1:F89B:B551:B329 (talk) 22:58, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I remember that I, too, thought it was "Brussel sprouts" when I was a child. Then I grew up and realized that most people can't spell. Richard K. Carson (talk) 01:46, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Rankin

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Since many of your articles are cluttered up with seemingly useless Popular Culture sections in which the most trivial of references, especially being casually mentioned in passing on "The Simpsons", are listed as if they were tremendously important, would it not be in keeping with your policies regarding what is and is not useful information that belongs in a real encyclopedia to point out that the best-selling humorous author Robert Rankin has written numerous books which feature as a major character a sentient Brussels sprout called Barry? Not to mention quite a few which actually have "sprout" in their titles. Just saying. 86.130.233.165 (talk) 09:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Historical cultivation

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I should have come here first, to avoid what just happened due to my reckless changes. To the point: the sources seem rather contentious on when Brussels sprouts were first cultivated.

  • From Brussels Times, we have "the cultivation of cabbages and sprouts in Saint-Gilles is said to go back as far as the 13th century."
  • From UGA, "a popular vegetable crop in Belgium during the sixteenth century from which they were spread to the surrounding countries throughout temperate Europe."
  • From Food Timeline, "sometime between the 17th and 18th century." (This also quotes World History of Food, which is where the "first recorded description in 1587" comes from.)

I don't doubt that the progenitors of this cultivar came from ancient Rome as that general area is corroborated by other sources that discuss different Brassica oleracea histories. How specific can the history be on when something that can be recognized as a Brussels sprout originated? Reconrabbit 03:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's your point? The article already mentions the uncertainty. And your second ref makes no claim as to when they were first cultivated. It simply says they were popular in one area in the16th century.
Your third ref is quoting what various sources say. There is much more than just two differing dates in that one. For example, you don't mention the quote "cite stray references from Brussels in the 13th century and documents about wedding feasts of the Burgundian court at Lille in the 15th century." Meters (talk) 03:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then 1213 might be the "earliest" date, if it's corroborated between the two Oxford University Press books at the third source. Reconrabbit 14:35, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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