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I've added a list of Robot Masters to the article. I've read over past discussion in a few places, and there is consensus to at least have them listed inline (as opposed to a table). --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 01:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:The only problem is that it seems to disrupt the prose. Removing the table formatting doesn't turn a list into prose. The names of the Robot Masters alone doesn't help the uninformed reader, and we don't have things to say about each one. I think I'm against it. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] ([[User talk:Jay32183|talk]]) 06:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:I agree with Jay on this. I removed the robot master list on other Mega Man articles for two reasons: tables were full of trivia and fancruft, and the information didn't add anything meaningful to the article. I'd also like to see where this consensus was made. [[User:Lumaga|Lumaga]] ([[User talk:Lumaga|talk]]) 14:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::What is "meaningful" is entirely subjective. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 21:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC) |
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That list would be useful here in some form. I came to this article looking for that information, so saying that it doesn't help a reader uninformed on that specific information is patently false. I'm considering putting it back, and haven't done so already only because it appears to be in dispute here. [[User:Beyond495|Beyond495]] ([[User talk:Beyond495|talk]]) 23:20, 12 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:Per [[WP:GAMEGUIDE]], we avoid such information in articles. While the content would be useful to gamers, such level of detail is excessive for the layman and is not required for them to grasp the topic. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 03:30, 13 November 2011 (UTC)) |
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::That doesn't make sense to me, how does listing characters in the game detrimental to this article. Are listing characters in a movie detrimental to articles on those movies? Who decides these guidelines? [[User:Beyond495|Beyond495]] ([[User talk:Beyond495|talk]]) 04:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC) |
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Since no one involved has started a discussion, hopefully this will get things going. Rather than endlessly edit war back and forth, let's talk things through. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 22:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)) |
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*Not really anything to discuss. This is an anonymous IP vandal not an edit war. The anon has benn warned way more times than necessary to be blocked for disregarding the listed reliable sources, without actually adding a source to the article. Pointing to Gamespot is not adding a source, especially when it is less reliable than the sources being used already. Semi-protection is probably the only thing to do. It'll force the anon to register, then the single account can be blocked if it continues. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] ([[User talk:Jay32183|talk]]) 04:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC) |
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:Gamespot is not reliable? Is that your argument? seriously? ([[Special:Contributions/200.74.84.46|200.74.84.46]] ([[User talk:200.74.84.46|talk]]) 15:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)) |
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::200.74.84.46- Please stop reverting things back and forth to assert your position. Discuss it here in a civil manner by presenting an argument and reason with us.<br>Jay- I agree that the IP has gone about this issue in the wrong way, but that doesn't mean we ignore the information provide. |
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::In regard to the issue, according to [[WP:RS]], GameSpot is just as reliable as Nintendo Power, 1UP.com, and G4. The GameSpot source the IP listed is an [http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/rockmanrockman/news.html?sid=6179759 interview with Inafune]. In it, Inafune is quoted saying, |
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:::"I'm often called the father of Mega Man, but actually, his design was already created when I joined Capcom. My mentor [at Capcom], who was the designer of the original Mega Man, had a basic concept of what Mega Man was supposed to look like. So I only did half of the job in creating him." |
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::I'd say that makes him a co-creator. Regardless, that distinction probably belongs in [[Keiji Inafune]]. Here we can probably use his current title or something generic in the first contested sentence. I don't see it being a big detail needed to understand the development of the game. However, I see nothing wrong with the second contested sentence, and recommend that it be left in its state before the edit warring began. Any thoughts? ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 15:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)) |
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:::No, he's still creator, just being modest. The Nintendo Power article says the words "Creator Inafune", and that's the source for the sentence. Reader's need to have an idea of who Inafune is. The second sentence mentions Inafune by name because the source does. There's no mention of a development team. We don't want to say "work on" twice in the same sentence. There's still nothing to discuss. The anon's work just needs to be undone everytime. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] ([[User talk:Jay32183|talk]]) 18:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Jay- I understand that Inafune needs to be mentioned in the article. But modest or not, his own comment about assisting with the creation cannot be ignored, even if it's not used in the article. How about something like this: |
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:::::"''In retrospect, series producer Keiji Inafune described the game's development as... Capcom gave Inafune, then an artist and character designer on the first game, the chance create on a sequel...''" |
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::::This gives more context to Inafune's description and his role in the game. I believe any mention of him being the character's creator is more relevant and appropriate to [[Mega Man (video game)]], [[Mega Man (character)]], and [[Keiji Inafune]]. Any thoughts or suggestions? ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 18:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)) |
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:::::That's not entirely accurate. Here's another Nintendo Power article from issue 224 which names Takeshi Horinouchi as the series producer. The opening sentence of the article also identifies Inafune as the "character's creator". [http://rockmanamv.com/images/news/Mega_Man_20_20-02.jpg Have a look] [[User:Lumaga|Lumaga]] ([[User talk:Lumaga|talk]]) 06:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::Inafune was the one who created the look of the original Mega Man , that makes him "the character designer", not the creator , because the concept and original idea was from another person. Also , Horinouchi only has worked as producer for the Star Force series, the producer of the original series and X series (x1~x3) was Tokuro Fujiwara, but he left Capcom in 1996. The first game Inafune produced was Mega Man 8. |
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::::::You need to remember that a lot of people call Inafune the creator or father, that's why he made that statement about no being the creator during the 20th anniversary.([[Special:Contributions/200.74.84.86|200.74.84.86]] ([[User talk:200.74.84.86|talk]]) 15:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)) |
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If Inafune was the person who "created" Mega Man 2, then why is he credited[http://www.mobygames.com/game/nes/mega-man-2/credits] as "character designer" instead of game designer, game concept, planner , director or producer? ([[Special:Contributions/200.74.84.75|200.74.84.75]] ([[User talk:200.74.84.75|talk]]) 15:29, 25 July 2009 (UTC)) |
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:As far as I can tell, one side is trying to maintain [[WP:V|verifiability]], while the other is trying to maintain accuracy. One thing I've learned through many long heated discussion is that when article content like this is disputed, researching [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] generally clear things up. |
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:I tried expanding and tweaking things with some new sources I dug up. I hope it makes both sides of the discussion happy so this edit war can come to an end. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 15:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)) |
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I'm going to be expanding the article with references, and focus more on the contributions of director [[Akira Kitamura]] and others [[User:Harizotoh9|Harizotoh9]] ([[User talk:Harizotoh9|talk]]) 22:51, 3 June 2017 (UTC) |
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== A-class assessment == |
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*'''Support''' Nothing I can really say negative about the article...you've done your research and it clearly shows. I have no qualms supporting giving this A-class.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 15:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' I looked through some of the references, and they all checked out. I can easily support this for A-class, good work. -- [[User:Nomader|Nomader]] <sup><span style="font-size: 6pt">([[User talk:Nomader|Talk]])</span></sup> 04:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== Merging in the Robot Masters == |
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Overall, the Robot Masters do not really form a very worthwhile list. It really seems like it would be best to split them between the different games. This is the only GA, so it seems best as a test to see if people agree. [[User:TTN|TTN]] ([[User talk:TTN|talk]]) 17:35, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:I don't like the idea of having a lot of detail about the Robot Masters in the Mega Man articles (not that I support the Robot Masters article either). This article was recently promoted to A-class with only a mention of the eight Robot Masters in the game with a brief mention of two of their abilities. I don't know if the detail listed in the Robot Masters article is necessary. This article is cited well, and we would need to find a source that confirms the information listed. Additionally, listing the weapons and description of all the Robot Masters in the game does not further a reader's understanding of the game significantly more than what is already listed. See number 6 in [[WP:VGSCOPE]]. Just my thoughts. [[User:Lumaga|Lumaga]] ([[User talk:Lumaga|talk]]) 18:55, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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::It wouldn't really improve on anything, but it also really wouldn't be too detrimental to anything. If the annoyingly large table and the cruft in the descriptions are removed, it probably wouldn't be more than 2KB, which could help that tiny plot section a bit. The main reason that I would like to merge them is because there is no way the the Robot Master article would ever be deleted in an AfD, and if it is just simply redirected, it would probably be restored daily by anons because "it's important." [[User:TTN|TTN]] ([[User talk:TTN|talk]]) 19:17, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I agree that the crufty descriptions would have to go, but then you're left with the name, a very brief description, and a weapon name. It might help out the plot section, but how much plot is there to any original series ''Mega Man'' game anyway? The Robot Masters list might just be a necessary evil. I would much rather improve that list than move the content into the game articles. Let's test it out first and see how nice of a merge we can get, but I have my doubts. [[User:Lumaga|Lumaga]] ([[User talk:Lumaga|talk]]) 19:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I agree [[Robot Master]] is in terrible shape and I don't think there is much there to salvage. There probably won't be much in the way of development either because most of them are fan submissions from regular contests held by Capcom. What about merging or redirecting to [[Mega Man (original series)]]? ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 15:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)) |
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:::::I don't read any Japanese, but I'm sure somebody could get some information about Capcom's contest from print sources. That might be some great info to get this to FA status. And as for [[Mega Man (original series)]], that article is in desperate need of some work. [[User:Lumaga|Lumaga]] ([[User talk:Lumaga|talk]]) 15:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::I think the contests started after MM3; so the Robot Masters from MM4-8 are contest cubmissions. EGM reported on it a couple times. I think Inafune mentioned it too in some interviews. But it can all be summed up in a sentence or two. That's why I said there won't be much in the way of development information for the Robot Masters, because most of the characters were created by non-staff members and probably not documented outside of Capcom. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 16:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)) |
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:::::::I really don't care about what happens to the contents of the article (except for the first six, which should probably be merged to the character list), so if you think you can keep it redirected without an anon trying to revive it every single day, I'm fine with that. [[User:TTN|TTN]] ([[User talk:TTN|talk]]) 16:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::::Ah, the million dollar question: how to get the fans to agree? :-p You got me TTN. Maybe post it at [[Wikipedia talk:VG#Some input]]. That'll should get some more input and maybe some suggestions to maintain whatever consensus we arrive at. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 16:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)) |
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:::::::::I suggest a transwiki for the Robot Masters article, then a delete, or failing that, a merge.--<sub><small>[[User:Zxcvbnm|ZXCVBNM]] ([[User Talk:Zxcvbnm|TALK]])</small></sub> 09:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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I removed the tracklist for the so-called "original soundtrack" because there was never an original soundtrack released for this game. The only music officially released for this game is the "Capcom Music Generation Famicom Music Complete Works Rockman 1~6" released by Capcom on the Suleputer label, and the names here didn't even correspond with the names listed there. |
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:I was able to find replacements for the first two. IGN changed how they organize their articles. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] ([[User talk:Jay32183|talk]]) 14:36, 8 June 2017 (UTC) |
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The track names aren't anything you couldn't guess just by listening to the track, so rather than pretend there has been a special release for this game's music, I think it's best just to remove the listing entirely. |
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== Japanese Subtitle in English Title == |
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[[User:Hellacia|Hellacia]] ([[User talk:Hellacia|talk]]) 11:02, 20 February 2010 (UTC) |
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I noticed that someone added the Japanese subtitle to its English title, even though the English version is just Mega Man 2; should we keep this? - [[User:Shadowboxer2005|Shadowboxer2005]] ([[User talk:Shadowboxer2005|talk]]) 03:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC) |
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== Box art == |
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== Reception section update? == |
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Did anyone notice that Mega Man has two RIGHT HANDS on the box art image used in the article? Is that the real box art?? [[User:Hypermegamanboy|Hypermegamanboy]] ([[User talk:Hypermegamanboy|talk]]) 19:01, 3 May 2010 (UTC) |
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In the reception section, it states that mega man 2 is currently the bestselling game in the series. However, currently, that title goes to Mega Man 11 [https://www.rockman-corner.com/2022/11/mega-man-11-is-now-best-selling-game-in.html#:~:text=Capcom%20has%20announced%20that%2C%20as,originally%20released%20back%20in%201988.],[https://gonintendo.com/contents/11736-mega-man-11-becomes-the-best-selling-mega-man-game-of-all-time]. However, I am an amateur at citing, and I am worried that since these are fan sites, they can't be cited. Are these exceptions, or have I misinterpreted the rule? <span style="font-family: comic sans;">[[User:Club On a Sub 20|Club On a Sub 20]] [[User talk:Club On a Sub 20|(talk)]]</span> 17:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC) |
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* It is the real box art. It was illustrated by some one not involved with in-game art. I don't think QA was too concerned with box art in those days; lots of games have unusual box art. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] ([[User talk:Jay32183|talk]]) 01:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC) |
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- I was able to find replacements for the first two. IGN changed how they organize their articles. Jay32183 (talk) 14:36, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Japanese Subtitle in English Title
[edit]I noticed that someone added the Japanese subtitle to its English title, even though the English version is just Mega Man 2; should we keep this? - Shadowboxer2005 (talk) 03:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Reception section update?
[edit]In the reception section, it states that mega man 2 is currently the bestselling game in the series. However, currently, that title goes to Mega Man 11 [1],[2]. However, I am an amateur at citing, and I am worried that since these are fan sites, they can't be cited. Are these exceptions, or have I misinterpreted the rule? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 17:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC)