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"of unknown origin"

If it is of unknown origin, how do we know it is extraterrestrial? Couldn't it be subterranean? marine? etc--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 00:28, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Partially-known origin" doesn't have much of a ring to it. If there's only one place we know it's NOT from (Earth), you can probably round up to "unknown."

Title dispute

The title dispute described in the article doesn't compute. You can neither copyright nor trademark a title, least of all a title that is the name of a holiday. Only in cases where a person could reasonably be misled, by using the specific title of a known franchise or a movie coming out at the same time, could there be any real dispute. Warner Bros could have said or done nothing, no matter what Fox chose to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.186.125 (talk) 05:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You most definitely can trademark a title. In fact, that's the main thing trademarks are used for. The title being the name of a holiday is completely irrelevant. And if you really think there can't be any real dispute unless the movie is coming out at the same time, try releasing a movie under the title "Star Wars" or "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial" and see what happens.--Martin IIIa (talk) 21:33, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Independence Daysaster

Should Independence Daysaster be mentioned? It might not be an "official" sequel but it is clearly referential.--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 00:36, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe a sentence about it under Legacy, as it has no direct connection to this film. Ideally with a source that notes the connection between the two. DonIago (talk) 04:11, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Mixed reviews?

According to the article the film got "mixed reviews", but then in the "Reception" part it says:

"Rotten Tomatoes, a review aggregator, reports that 68% of 81 surveyed critics gave the film a positive review; the average rating is 6.6/10. The site's critical consensus reads, "The plot is thin and so is character development, but as a thrilling, spectacle-filled summer movie, Independence Day delivers." On Metacritic, the film has a score of 59 out of 100 based on 19 critics, indicating "mixed or average reviews"."

Isn't a 68% rating on Rotten Tomatoes quite high? Too high to say it got only "mixed" reviews? Dornwald (talk) 17:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not when MC says "mixed or average reviews". That said, one option would be to let the sources speak for themselves and remove the overall summation unless a secondary source can be provided. DonIago (talk) 19:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think a source that says reviews were "mixed or average" isn't really proof that they were "mixed". Also since there's another source that kinda says otherwise (Rotten Tomatoes), I think the option you brought up would be a good move.

Edit: I'm not sure if "mixed or average" is supposed to mean that those two words are synonymous. It seems to be a pretty broad category to me, ranging from 40 to 60. To me, "mixed" has more of a negative connotation than "average".

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+== Mixed reviews? ==
+According to the article the film got "mixed reviews", but then in the "Reception" part it says:
+"Rotten Tomatoes, a review aggregator, reports that 68% of 81 surveyed critics gave the film a positive review; the average rating is 6.6/10. The site's critical consensus reads, "The plot is thin and so is character development, but as a thrilling, spectacle-filled summer movie, Independence Day delivers." On Metacritic, the film has a score of 59 out of 100 based on 19 critics, indicating "mixed or average reviews"."
+Isn't a 68% rating on Rotten Tomatoes quite high? Too high to say it got only "mixed" reviews? [[User:Dornwald|Dornwald]] ([[User talk:Dornwald|talk]]) 17:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
+:Not when MC says "mixed or average reviews". That said, one option would be to let the sources speak for themselves and remove the overall summation unless a secondary source can be provided. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 19:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
+::I think a source that says reviews were "mixed or average" isn't really proof that they were "mixed". Also since there's another source that kinda says otherwise (Rotten Tomatoes), I think the option you brought up would be a good move.
+Edit: I'm not sure if "mixed or average" is supposed to mean that those two words are synonymous. It seems to be a pretty broad category to me, ranging from 40 to 60. To me, "mixed" has more of a negative connotation than "average".
+ [[User:Dornwald|Dornwald]] ([[User talk:Dornwald|talk]]) 20:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)