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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Editors can create a Redirect if they believe it is appropriate but the consensus here is to Delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Friedenau SC Excelsior Berlin

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Completely unsourced at the moment. The official website is dead at the moment (for me). WP:NTEAM points to WP:GNG. Significant coverage and no reliable sources (or sources at all) not established. Moved to draft twice by Wikishovel and Dan arndt, but creator has moved back to mainspace twice without substantial improvements. Not mentioned on Berlin-Liga. The corresponding German article (Sport-Excelsior Friedenau) has different information about founding, activity, kits, and other details.

Three options:

Return to draft (with WP:SALT if warranted)
Delete
Redirect to Founding Clubs of the DFB

Side note: many of the team articles from Founding Clubs of the DFB have similar issues. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Sports, Football, and Germany. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, lacks any independent sources required to establish notability. As indicated by the nominator the article's creator refuses to leave it as a draft, where improvements could be made. Also redirecting serves no real purpose as most of the articles included in the list fail WP:GNG. Dan arndt (talk) 09:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Clearly something fishy going on, as Friedenau SC Excelsior Berlin was purportedly founded in 1920, at the same time being a founder of the DFB 20 years earlier. The German Wikipedia article has some history from the 1890s and states that little is known about the club after 1900. I can't confirm their playing in the Berlin-Liga, so fails WP:V. Geschichte (talk) 09:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – It is difficult to assume good faith... Svartner (talk) 11:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. Yes there's a whole raft of these unreferenced minor German club articles by same editor. I managed to source TSV Grolland sufficient to avoid a move back to draft, but tire quickly of sourcing unsourced stubs cranked out at speed. Couldn't find any RS for this one, and draft is for articles that can be improved, not indefinite parking for unsourceable articles. Wikishovel (talk) 12:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment You can lock it to draft space, what's silly is, is that MintyFresh201 was using what was technically wikipedia as a citation! Big no there. If sourced correctly I wouldn't mind the article. But in it's current state I can't disagree with the nomination for deletion. Govvy (talk) 14:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (nominator), just an update, I started an SPI. Pinging commentors above, Dan_arndt, Geschichte, Svartner, Wikishovel, Govvy. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 00:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (author) Honestly, after reviewing the comments here and on my talk page, I also agree that the article Friedenau SC Excelsior Berlin should be deleted.

MintyFresh201 (talk) 01:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. A football club from amateur league with significant coverage that is difficult to find. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just want to comment that the topic itself seems like it could be notable, looking at German sources. If this is deleted, I have no problem if it's properly sourced and restored. SportingFlyer T·C 16:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 15:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Founding Clubs of the DFB. Giant Snowman 15:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Delete''' per nomination. Yes there's a whole raft of these unreferenced minor German club articles by same editor. I managed to source [[TSV Grolland]] sufficient to avoid a move back to draft, but tire quickly of sourcing unsourced stubs cranked out at speed. Couldn't find any RS for this one, and draft is for articles that can be improved, not indefinite parking for unsourceable articles. [[User:Wikishovel|Wikishovel]] ([[User talk:Wikishovel|talk]]) 12:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 *'''Comment''' You can lock it to draft space, what's silly is, is that {{u|MintyFresh201}} was using what was technically wikipedia as a citation! Big no there. If sourced correctly I wouldn't mind the article. But in it's current state I can't disagree with the nomination for deletion. [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 14:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
+*'''Comment''' (nominator), just an update, I started '''[[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Yoyocarsonyo|an SPI]]'''. <small>Pinging commentors above, [[User:Dan_arndt|Dan_arndt]], [[User:Geschichte|Geschichte]], [[User:Svartner|Svartner]], [[User:Wikishovel|Wikishovel]], [[User:Govvy|Govvy]].</small> --[[User:Classicwiki|Classicwiki]] ([[User talk:Classicwiki|talk]])<span style="font-size:85%;">&nbsp;If you reply here, please [[WP:ECHO|ping me]].</span> 00:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
+:*'''Comment''' (author) Honestly, after reviewing the comments here and on my talk page, I also agree that the article [[Friedenau SC Excelsior Berlin]] should be deleted.
+:[[User:MintyFresh201|MintyFresh201]] ([[User talk:MintyFresh201|talk]]) 01:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' per nomination. A football club from amateur league with significant coverage that is difficult to find. [[User:CuteDolphin712|<b style="font-family:Verdana;padding:0 9px;background:linear-gradient(#B3EBFF, #FBC2EB);color:#EC6091">Clara A. Djalim</b>]] ([[User talk:CuteDolphin712|talk]]) 10:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
+*Just want to comment that the topic itself seems like it could be notable, looking at German sources. If this is deleted, I have no problem if it's properly sourced and restored. [[User:SportingFlyer|SportingFlyer]] ''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;">[[User talk:SportingFlyer|T]]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">[[Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer|C]]</span>'' 16:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
+*<small>Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 15:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC)</small>
+*'''Redirect to [[Founding Clubs of the DFB]]'''. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 15:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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