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== The spoken aloud gate symbols and wormhole physics == |
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During season 7 we find out that the gate symbols can be spoken aloud. They never seem to go into detail at to what symbol is for what syllable. Is there a resource somewhere where someone has taken the time to find out the syllable goes with each gate symbol? |
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I don't have the time myself to do it but know there are at least two episodes where gate symbols are shown and they are spoken aloud at the same time. |
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I have already added the two I know from memory (and from being shown exclusively by O'Neill) into the table under wormhole physics. |
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Speaking of wormhole physics, during "38 minutes" on SGA, they state the a stargate only sends through whole items. (IE, the whole puddlejumper) yet in "the torment on tantalus" Ernest Littleford has a air pipe attached to him when he enters the gate and therefore shouldn't have made it as the gate shuts down with the air pipe being severed. |
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[[User:Itchy Flea|Itchy Flea]] ([[User talk:Itchy Flea|talk]]) 03:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Actually in "38 Minutes" they do predict that when the gate shuts down their ship will cut in half. This is consistent with various SG-1 scenes where the gate shuts down while something has not completely passed through. [[Special:Contributions/60.242.247.168|60.242.247.168]] ([[User talk:60.242.247.168|talk]]) 14:54, 5 June 2010 (UTC) |
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:There are lots of inconsistencies like that one - the writers don't pay as much attention to internal consistency as geeks do, unfortunately! --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 03:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Ships such as the Ancient puddle jumper and the Wraith dart are designed to fit through Stargates, and have built-in DHDs |
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:Yes, that was in [http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Into_the_Fire Into the Fire]. I don't think it was specified whether or not it had its own DHD, but it was apparently abandoned due to being too difficult to fly. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 03:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC) |
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The Gate only sends whole things through when it's '''ON'''. In [[the torment on tantalus]] the gate ran out of power before the pipe cam through. In [[38 minutes]], had not SGA pushed the puddle jumper through, the gate would shut down automatically, slicing the jumper in half.[[Special:Contributions/68.50.57.15|68.50.57.15]] ([[User talk:68.50.57.15|talk]]) 03:35, 24 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Origin Symbols for Destiny == |
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Two of the symbols on the Destiny gate are marked as PoO symbol. What's that all about? [[Special:Contributions/76.232.94.139|76.232.94.139]] ([[User talk:76.232.94.139|talk]]) 00:32, 30 December 2009 (UTC) |
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The Destiny-Style stargates dont use point of origins. The Glyphs of the milkyway and pegasus-design represent star constellations, while the Destiny-Style-gates use some sort of codes. The MW and PG-gates use 7-8 Symbol adresses: 6 points in space (+ 1 Distance-Calculation) + 1 point of origin, while the destiny-gate use 9 Symbol adresses: 8 symbols determine the destination, while the 9th is some sort of distancecalculation. This is mentioned in Stargate universe, when they found an 8 Symbol adress for Earth within the ships database with no ninth symbol given. Col. Young tells them to dial it, even if it takes 36 tries, but Dr. Rush intervents, because it would use too much power. |
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When the icarus-base-gate dials destiny they first used the Orion glyph as ninth symbol, since it is the bases point of origin, but this fails. Later they tried it again, this time with Earths point of origin. This time it works. This means, that this 9 Symbol-Combination is not the same as an 9 Symbol Adress, its more like an unique kind of code, since the last symbol is not a point of origin, as it does not depend on location, neither a distancecalculation as it does not change when destiny moves. |
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sg27--[[Special:Contributions/80.226.54.144|80.226.54.144]] ([[User talk:80.226.54.144|talk]]) 10:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::The Destiny-Style stargates USE point of origins, and stargates use 7(8) symbol adresses too (to get from Destiny to planet and back), Destiny don't have power to dial 9 symbol address. 9 symbol addresses are used for moving objects like ships, if location is changing. Earth have 9 symbol address bacause of planetary drift (possibly Ancients couldn't calculate planetary and galatical drift for so long distances). Destiny should be able to use 8 symbol address to dial Earth, but address is unknown or Dastiny's computer can't calculate it. [[User:Vilnisr|Vilnisr]] ([[User talk:Vilnisr|talk]]) 10:54, 22 February 2010 (UTC) |
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::It might be pointed out that the o< point of origin would have been unassociated by the Ancients with Earth - the Gaza gate postdated their presence, being brought to Earth by Ra. the o| point of origin on the Antarctic gate would have been the one used to say 'Earth'... - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] ([[User talk:The Bushranger|talk]]) 06:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC) |
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== How many wormhole == |
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Te adresses of the Milky Way |
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38 symbols on a DHD, (-1 because the start point is constant): 37 variable |
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37*36*35*34*33*32=1673844480 |
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In the article: “With 38 symbols, the Stargate Network in the Milky Way has 1,987,690,320 possible 7-symbol addresses.” |
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Why??? --[[User:Stewe007|Stewe007]] ([[User talk:Stewe007|talk]]) 05:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Practically (because the address is 6 point only) the sequence is indifferent:same gate or not make wormhole |
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:<math>\frac{1673844480}{6!}=2324784</math> possible 7-symbol addresses. |
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:- [[User:Stewe007|Stewe007]] ([[User talk:Stewe007|talk]]) 07:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:: No, the sequence does matter according to the explanation in the movie - and I don't remember anything that said otherwise in the series. Each pair of symbols defines a line running between the identified constellations. So if your address is abcdefg, you have lines ab, cd, and ef, and the intersection point is the destination. But lines ac, bf, and de would be a different set of lines, hence a different destination - if any; those lines would probably not intersect. It makes no sense either way (you only need two intersecting lines to determine a point in space, and constellations do not have a single defined location in 3d space anyway) but that's what they said. [[User:Jeh|Jeh]] ([[User talk:Jeh|talk]]) 18:43, 21 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:<math>37*36*35*34*33*32=1673844480</math> is the correct answer since Stargate addresses are [[permutation|permutations without repetition]], not [[combination|combinations]]. Excluding the origin, you only have 37 symbols to pick from. You can and must use 6 symbols at one time(disregarding the 7th, 8th, and 9th chevrons). You can't use the same one more than once. And the order matters. --The godfaza 12:36, 6 March 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:The godfaza|The godfaza]] ([[User talk:The godfaza|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/The godfaza|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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In my opinion the order matters, but not as you think. Consider six points in a three-dimensional space. There is only one set of three lines linking two points each that can intersect in a single point or approximately doing so. This means that every planet must have its unique combination of 6 symbols, but to succesfully dial you must also input the right permutation so the system can locate it. [[Special:Contributions/85.49.153.238|85.49.153.238]] ([[User talk:85.49.153.238|talk]]) 09:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC) |
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==Dialing== |
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Actually, the intergalactic bridge creates an inconsistency into the mechanics of address-dialing. |
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⚫ | A gate's address depends on it's location, and when it's moved, it's address changes as well. That means that gates outside the galaxy can not have an address and can not be dialed to. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/212.199.121.135|212.199.121.135]] ([[User talk:212.199.121.135|talk]]) 07:26, 2 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I've rolled back the unreferenced, unexplained changes to the Atlantis constellations section, made by an editor who, it appears, created an account to do that and only that. I'm AGF-ing, but without explanation, well.... If it turns out they were correct alterations, then of course it can be undone, and I'll aim a number of mea culpas in the direction of the Nox. ;) - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] ([[User talk:The Bushranger|talk]]) 01:17, 3 May 2010 (UTC) |
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--[[User:Dr zoidberg590|Dr zoidberg590]] ([[User talk:Dr zoidberg590|talk]]) 01:46, 26 January 2019 (UTC) No, they calculate the difference of movement accurately through physics equations and adjust accordingly. |
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== sgu chevron symbols == |
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==Unduly detailed== |
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You can't have two origin symbols. Which one is right? [[Special:Contributions/67.169.34.161|67.169.34.161]] ([[User talk:67.169.34.161|talk]]) 20:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC) |
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I think this is article is far too detailed. I think that as Wikipedia articles are supposed to summarise key concepts, there is no need for the instructions on how to dial the device, no need for the extensive translations of in-universe hieroglyphs, and no need for the constellation charts. I am going to remove content, for reference the article before tiding is [[Special:Permalink/859000766]]. — [[User:Frayae|Frayæ]] ([[User talk:Frayae|Talk]]/[[:is:Notandaspjall:Frayae|Spjall]]) 18:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC) |
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==Discussing a 'Citation Needed' notation in the Address section== |
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== Use of the term "stargate" in other works == |
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In the 4th paragraph of the Address section of this article (starts with "Eight-symbol addresses"), there is a Citation Needed notation connected with the comment that the additional symbol acts like type of area code. This is based on a comment made by Samantha Carter after the Stargate opens and tracks outside the known network of Stargates. She says "The extra chevron must add a new distance calculation to the existing points, kind of like dialing a different area code" |
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Episode: The Fifth Race |
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This section broadens the scope of this article too much. We already have [[Stargate (disambiguation]], so I am going to remove it.--'''~[[User:True Pagan Warrior|T]][[User talk:True Pagan Warrior|P]][[Special:Contributions/True Pagan Warrior|W]]''' 16:24, 13 June 2010 (UTC) |
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Dialing
[edit]Actually, the intergalactic bridge creates an inconsistency into the mechanics of address-dialing.
A gate's address depends on it's location, and when it's moved, it's address changes as well. That means that gates outside the galaxy can not have an address and can not be dialed to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.199.121.135 (talk) 07:26, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
--Dr zoidberg590 (talk) 01:46, 26 January 2019 (UTC) No, they calculate the difference of movement accurately through physics equations and adjust accordingly.
Unduly detailed
[edit]I think this is article is far too detailed. I think that as Wikipedia articles are supposed to summarise key concepts, there is no need for the instructions on how to dial the device, no need for the extensive translations of in-universe hieroglyphs, and no need for the constellation charts. I am going to remove content, for reference the article before tiding is Special:Permalink/859000766. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 18:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Discussing a 'Citation Needed' notation in the Address section
[edit]In the 4th paragraph of the Address section of this article (starts with "Eight-symbol addresses"), there is a Citation Needed notation connected with the comment that the additional symbol acts like type of area code. This is based on a comment made by Samantha Carter after the Stargate opens and tracks outside the known network of Stargates. She says "The extra chevron must add a new distance calculation to the existing points, kind of like dialing a different area code"
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