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==Airdate for final episodes==
== Season 1 Australian DVD release date ==
Someone inserted October into the introduction as the airdate for the final episodes. So far only one source - Doctor Who Magazine - has ''speculated'' this date. The BBC has yet to announce when it will air and bear in mind this year Doctor Who is airing in the fall, so that may result in the SJA episodes airing later than usual (perhaps even around Christmas). Also, once the change was made the sentence no longer reflected the information in the cited source at the end of the sentence; when changing such info you need to make sure the source still matches - or is replaced by an updated source. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.78.43|68.146.78.43]] ([[User talk:68.146.78.43|talk]]) 13:01, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
The season 1 DVD was released in Australia in June 2009. Have a look at the following http://shop.abc.net.au/browse/product.asp?productid=761440 and http://www.doctorwhoaustralia.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1068&sid=43221dcc0b07602927c1feabee088d24 in the post dated on May 21 2009. It wasn't first released sometime in 2010 as originally stated in this article. I certainly bought it late in 2009 at the ABC Shop. I corrected the release date to June 2009 and please do not change it to the incorrect 2010 date. [[User:Matthew See|Matthew See]] ([[User talk:Matthew See|talk]]) 21:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Got an email from Angie Cooley from EzyDVD.com.au about why season 1 had the 2010 date:
"The released date section is different because the suppliers have re released the title with the new packaging and that’s the date when the re release with new packaging was available."
Hence why the 2010 date was not when the season 1 DVD was first released in Australia. [[User:Matthew See|Matthew See]] ([[User talk:Matthew See|talk]]) 06:43, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== What's the frequency Kenneth? ==

After reading this article I know that the show is spin-off of Dr Who. Beyond a bunch of irrelevant trivia, that's about it. Does anyone know the story line? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/137.100.46.254|137.100.46.254]] ([[User talk:137.100.46.254|talk]]) 21:27, 23 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I agree. I was interested in seeing what this was about, but there is little here about it. How about some general information about the show itself? (This is the exact opposite of most pages of this nature which are completely focused on the plot. How about a little balance?) I have to say that I find the idea of a show featuring "Sarah Jane" in her sixties to be fascinating, quite the opposite of the usual from the parent series.[[User:Mzk1|Mzk1]] ([[User talk:Mzk1|talk]]) 12:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

== Confirmed? ==

May I ask what the source of the whole SJI concept is? It is ''not'' the newsletter, as that is not published. It is whoever ''claimed'' to see the newsletter. Nobody knows whether this is true. Until the BBC says on their website that it is going to happen, I suggest that we say it is unconfirmed (since it is).--[[User:Keycard|'''Keycard''']] <sup>([[User talk:Keycard|talk]])</sup> 07:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:The newsletter isn't published on the web, but it is a published document, and two independent sources (Outpost Gallifrey and ''The Stage'') have reported on its contents — both quoted the relevant paragraph from ''Ariel'' and both are cited on the article page. We can certainly say that it has not been officially confirmed, but I think that callling the production "rumoured" is a bit too strong. Does ''Ariel'' have a habit of reporting on programmes that aren't actually being developed? —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 07:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've toned the language of the introduction down a bit, and added a note that it hasn't been officially confirmed. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 07:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

My point is not that ''Ariel'' may be the liar, but that the sources of OG and ''The Stage'' may be. Have you seen a '''copy of ''Ariel'' with that article'''? If not, then you're simply believing what's been said by OG's news page, which is not normally considered a verifiable source for WP's purposes.--[[User:Keycard|'''Keycard''']] <sup>([[User talk:Keycard|talk]])</sup> 14:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:(edit conflict with Angmering, below) But surely ''The Stage'' is a verifiable source? It's a major trade newspaper, and meets the verifiability criterion (remember, it's "verifiability, not truth"). Everything in the article is cited, so if the whole thing were to turn out to be bollocks it's not a problem any more than it would be a problem if the ''New York Times'' published an article, someone created a page based on it and then it proved to be false. See [[WP:V]].

:And frankly, I think that OG's news page ''is'' a fairly reliable source for ''Doctor Who'' news. WP:V says "Articles should rely on credible, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy," and I think Shaun does an excellent job of that (unlike a lot of other ''Doctor Who'' websites). I wouldn't rely on something said in the OG forums, but if it gets to the news page it's pretty solid.

:Is there anything in the article now that you think doesn't accurately relect the state of what we do and don't know? —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 17:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

::I'm at [[BBC Radio Norfolk]] tomorrow &mdash; I should be able to pick up a copy if that's any help. But then again I might be a liar too! [[User:Angmering|Angmering]] 17:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:Well, ''I'' believe you, Paul! —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 17:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

::Rather embarrassingly, it turns out I *am* a liar &mdash; I'm at the BBC on Friday, and was writing under the rather befuddled idea that today was Thursday. Oh dear! [[User:Angmering|Angmering]] 17:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:::I'll never trust anyone again. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 17:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==Evidence==
As promised, I was able to pick up a copy of last week's ''Ariel'' at BBC East in Norwich today.[http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pa.hayes/ariel.JPG]. I have now seen the Sarah Jane report, such as it is, with my own eyes.[http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pa.hayes/sjsreport.JPG] Sorry about the digital photos, I don't have a scanner.

Of course, it could still easily all turn out to be bollocks, but there's no doubt that ''Ariel'' certainly ran the story. [[User:Angmering|Angmering]] 16:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks, Paul. Does that satisfy your concerns, Keycard? —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 17:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

==Air-date==
[http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk52/index.shtml This] would indicate it's going to air at some point over the Christmas period. [[User:HornetMike|HornetMike]] 23:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:Yep. It's widely believed to be airing on New Year's Day, but that hasn't been officially confirmed, and it's awkward to say "at some point around New Year's" in an article. I think it's best to leave it as "early 2007" until we've got official confirmation of the broadcast date. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 05:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

==Contemporary==

I know no-one will be able to answer this, but both this article and the [[Torchwood]] one, prior to the airing of [[Everything Changes (Torchwood)|Everything Changes]], that is, say/said "set in modern day". Well, what's that? Is it January 2007 as per the airing date of the first episode? Is it Christmas 2007 as per [[The Runaway Bride]] or is it circa. 2008 as per [[Greeks Bearing Gifts]]?--[[User:Stripey1|Stripey1]] 11:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

I've just read the part saying it's set "a year and a half" after [[School Reunion]]. As 'School Reunion' is set in Very Early 2007, that would be around Very Late 2008...meaning after all currently-airing [[Torchwood]] episodes. Hmmm...not sure what I think of that... [User: Stripey].

:Frankly, the dating of all "contemporary" ''Doctor Who'' and spinoffs is a mess. I tend to regard it as the current production team's tribute to the [[UNIT dating controversy]] and leave it at that. :^) —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 09:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

It certainly ''is'' all a mess, you're right. The worst culprits in my opinion are [[Love & Monsters]] (as the fact it shows Early, Middle ''and'' Late 2007 has been ignored by ''every'' episode since), [[The Runaway Bride]] (for offscreen signs indicating 2006), [[Greeks Bearing Gifts]] (the first episode to establish a year of circa. 2008, since ignored by every episode since), [[Out Of Time]] (which couldn't decide between 2006, 2007 or circa. 2008) and [[Combat]] (which suggests the same as 'Out Of Time'). [User: Stripey].

Though we've yet to see the episode[s] in just under a fortnight, I'm not sure I like the inference that the 1st and 2nd episodes are in [[September]] [[2009]], based on the children going to their new school. Of course, going to the new school was mentioned at the end of [[Invasion of the Bane]] as being "next week", so that returns it back to [[January]], which stops any complaints of mine dead! [User: Stripey]. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.102.93.125|87.102.93.125]] ([[User talk:87.102.93.125|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Blue Peter==
Did anyone see the Blue Peter today (11 December 2006). It had a clip of Sarah Jane Adventures showing Sarah Jane interacting with the same alien from the [[Torchwood]] episode Greeks Bearing Gifts. Anyone have more info?

==Creator==
Although Russell Davies is correctly listed as creator of he Sarah Jane Adventures series concept, he did not create Sarah Jane, the character, so I've adjusted the infobox to recognize Robert Holmes. Technically the series should be listed as being based upon Doctor Who, created by Sydney Newman, as well (much like the divergent Trek spinoffs still retained credit to Roddenberry) but that's probably going a bit far. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 19:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

== full episode on main page? ==

I know on the other Doctor Who wiki pages, there are links to the episodes. I am also aware we have only the pilot so far. I do however feel that under "story connection to the doctor who universe" is not the right place for the full synopsis of the pilot episode - not everyone wants to see the full synopsis of the episode when they come to the wiki. <small>—The preceding [[User:Pixiestix|Pixiestix]] 17:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
NEVERMIND, between the time i started to write this discussion, and actually posted it, it was fixed.[[User:Pixiestix|Pixiestix]] 17:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
:If they don't _want_ to see spoilers they _shouldn't_ come to a website that *will* [''emphasis added''] contain spoilers, it's as simple as that. <small><font face="Tahoma">'''thanks'''/[[User:MatthewFenton|Fenton, Matthew]] [[User talk:MatthewFenton|Lexic Dark]] [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|52278 Alpha 771]]</font></small> 17:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
:You misunderstood what i meant, i wasn't saying spoilers in general, but a full episode synopsis right there in the middle of the front page with no proper labeling or anything. HOWEVER, it is quite a moot point since someone else obviously agreed and already fixed it. [[User:Pixiestix|Pixiestix]] 17:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

== Bannerman Road? ==

Is this a wild coincidence, or a reference to [[Delta and the Bannermen]]? My money lies with the former, but it's fun to suppose otherwise. [[User:Bieeanda|Bieeanda]] 21:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

== Unconfirmed but.... Kelsey may have been sacked ==
Apparently [[Porsha Lawrence Mavour]] has been let go because she had a bad attitude and wasn't working well with the rest of the cast or something. It has yet to be confirmed, and the SJA.tv blog is the source I have for this [http://sarahjanetv.blogspot.com/2007/03/porshas-down-and-out.html] which unfortunately doesn't pass [[WP:RS]] even though I've found them to be very reliable personally. Keep your eyes peeled for any more verifiable sources. --[[User:GracieLizzie|GracieLizzie]] 18:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:I certainly won't be complaining, she vehemently annoyed me, hehe. --Matthew
::Late breaking news - alas, also from SJA.tv is the following: "The Sarah-Jane.tv blog are reporting that Daniel Anthony has been confirmed as a new regular in The Sarah Jane Adventures.

The actor will play Clyde, a 14 year old who attends Maria and Luke's school. He replaces the character of Kelsey, who has been dropped from the series following her solo appearance in the pilot episode Invasion of the Bane. The new character is introduced in the first adventure of the forthcoming series." <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/72.211.151.151|72.211.151.151]] ([[User talk:72.211.151.151|talk]]) 15:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

While we're on the subject of actors being canned, I wonder whether K-9 has only made a couple appearances because he's on his own series, or maybe because he was a bad idea who was overplayed to begin with. I hope I'm not too POV here, but come on, he only has one point of articulation - there are action figures cooler than him. I would say that he probably killed the last attempt at a spin-off single-handed, but only if he had limbs instead of that blocky casing. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.163.0.61|71.163.0.61]] ([[User talk:71.163.0.61|talk]]) 23:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Firstly, take a look at [[WP:TALK]]. Secondly, the only reason K9 was barely used was legal rights issues. [[User talk:Islander|<sub><font color="DarkGray">'''Talk'''</font></sub>]][[User:Islander|<font color="Blue">'''Islander'''</font>]] 23:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== no offence... ==

I would rather prefer it if you written this article when the series had actually begun... <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/81.132.196.146|81.132.196.146]] ([[User talk:81.132.196.146|talk]]) 07:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
:Er... no offence taken, but the series has already begun. The special which aired on New Year's Day was the pilot. The page was created when the BBC's in-house magazine ''Ariel'' reported that the series was being produced. What's the problem? —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 10:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh...Then just ignore me lol <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:81.132.196.146|81.132.196.146]] ([[User talk:81.132.196.146|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/81.132.196.146|contribs]]) 12:58, April 1, 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small>

== Problems with reference coding ==

I made some changes to what used to be called the "pilot" section, and tried to use the referencing style present on the site. However, there seem to be at least two paradigms in place, and I can't quite work out which one takes precedence. If my edits confused the footnoting order, I apologize in advance and ask for help straightening it all out. The article doesn't seem to cite its references in numerical order once you hit the seciton I was editing, now called "A programme without a pilot", although footnote markers do seem to be pointing to the correct reference. [[User:CzechOut|CzechOut]] 02:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Messy format ==

Why does this article have such an odd a messy format? On every computer I've been on the cast picture obliterates some of the text and appears to float in the wrong subsection, and also the [edit] links for some of the sections are in odd places. ''[[Doctor Who]]'' doesn't have this problem and in ''[[Torchwood]]'' the TV show infobox just pushes the [edit] thing a little to the left. I think it is because those pages have more subsections. Is there any way to fix this? --[[User:GracieLizzie|GracieLizzie]] 10:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:I have no problem with formatting, so it's not a widespread problem.[[User:Gwinva|Gwinva]] 11:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

== Leaked Spoilers ==

Is Wikipedia really the place for leaked spoilers? The source they cite is Outpost ... but Outpost doesn't cite a source at all. Despite Outpost being mostly reliable, surely this information still has a realistic chance of being incorrect - a point that the article doesn't even address. On top of which, while people coming to this page ought to be prepared for spoilers of the Announced-By-The-BBC sort, surely this kind of info without a spoiler warning is going it a bit. --[[User:Steffan Alun|Steffan Alun]] 13:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

== Car ==

What is the car Sarah Jane drives?


attractiveness of characters


thomes knight[luke smith]is cute. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.16.9.244|78.16.9.244]] ([[User talk:78.16.9.244|talk]]) 18:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:A [[Nissan Figaro]]. --[[User:GracieLizzie|GracieLizzie]] ([[User talk:GracieLizzie|talk]]) 12:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Merge ==

{{discussion top}}

Since it's been eight months since this merger was proposed, and no action has been taken, I'm going to be '''BOLD''' and close it as '''do not merge'''. The consensus (such as it is) seems to be against the merger (with the possible exception of Mr. Smith). If anyone wants to re-open discussion for any of these individual pages, please feel free to do so. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 13:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
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*[[Maria Jackson]], [[Clyde Langer]], [[Luke Smith]], [[Mr Smith (The Sarah Jane Adventures)]], [[List of The Sarah Jane Adventures minor characters]] → [[List of The Sarah Jane Adventures characters]].

Right now, these first four articles are just glorified plot summaries. I suggest that until conception history can be obtained, the minor characters list is moved to accomodate all characters and merge these four in. '''[[User:Sceptre|Will]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])</sup> 23:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Bear in mind that as of June 2008, Mr Smith also appears in the Doctor Who episode, The Stolen Earth. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.97.118.252|87.97.118.252]] ([[User talk:87.97.118.252|talk]]) 21:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

<s>:'''Support''' - none of them have enough info to warrant a separate page just now, so merge to one article. [[User: StuartDD|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Stuart</span>]][[User talk: StuartDD|<span style="background:red;color:white">DD</span>]] <sub>[[Special:Contributions/StuartDD|contributions]]</sub> 10:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)</s>
change to '''Keep'''. [[User: StuartDD|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Stuart</span>]][[User talk: StuartDD|<span style="background:red;color:white">DD</span>]] <sub>[[Special:Contributions/StuartDD|contributions]]</sub> 11:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:'''Keep and Suggestions''' - Mr Smiths page cetantly should be merged, as for the others it could go either way, I personly believe there is slightly too much information to merge all of these articals, maybe if you have one page for the minor charicters and one for the major. However if the programme gets a second series then I believe there will be too much information on them to keep together.--[[User:Wiggstar69|Wiggstar69]] 12:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'd say the first 3 have enough screen time and development by the end of the series to justify '''keep'''. Mr Smith has not had that much development or diversity of story, so I say '''Merge''' him into List of The Sarah Jane Adventures minor characters. [[User:Radagast|Radagast]] 20:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
::Screen time and on-screen development doesn't really equate to [[WP:FICT|real-world notability for fictional concepts]]. For the type of DW character article that's desirable, see [[Martha Jones]] and [[Jack Harkness]]. '''[[User:Sceptre|Will]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])</sup> 21:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:::My implication there is that the articles have room to grow, which will contribute to their notability once they're beefed up. Give them a bit of time, once the current series is over they can be grown coherently. [[User:Radagast|Radagast]] 13:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Other way around. You can always split later if there's just so much real-world goodness it can't fit on one list page. I doubt Luke Smith is mentioned in newspaper articles as an icon the way Martha or Jack is. In fact, a lot of classic Doctor Who character articles don't need to be unique articles, but I won't argue with diehards about that one...~<b><font color="purple">[[User:Zythe|Zythe]]</font></b><sup>[[User talk:Zythe|Talk to me!]]</sup>
:::::I agree on Mr. Smith, but personally I would rather that Maria, Luke and Clyde had there own articles. --[[User:GracieLizzie|GracieLizzie]] 12:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I think that they all deserve their own articles - with Mr Smith it may be best to wait before moving him now he's been outed as a villian in 'The Lost Boy' - each character warrants their own page considering how much they have done throughout the series and their development - they just need updating as they don't look like they were touched since Invasion of the Bane <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.131.164.138|86.131.164.138]] ([[User talk:86.131.164.138|talk]]) 18:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::::::::'''Keep''' as is to avoid clutter. [[User:Wolf of Fenric|Wolf of Fenric]] ([[User talk:Wolf of Fenric|talk]]) 04:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' and add more Information to [[Luke Smith]], [[Maria Jackson]] and [[Clyde Langer]]--[[User:Brown Shoes22|Brown Shoes22]] ([[User talk:Brown Shoes22|talk]]) 19:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
:There is no more out-of-universe information to add.~<b><font color="purple">[[User:Zythe|Zythe]]</font></b><sup>[[User talk:Zythe|Talk to me!]]</sup> 21:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the article shouldn't be merged. Maria Jackson isn't a minor character. She's one of the main characters[[User:Spottedfeather|Think about this. Once Bread becomes toast, you can&#39;t make it back into bread.]] ([[User talk:Spottedfeather|talk]]) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|comment]] was added at 05:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Luke and Clyde are, like Maria, effectively Sarah's companions, in the same way Sarah once was to the Doctor. So they should keep their seperate articles. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 12:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I hardly think that Luke constitutes a "minor character". [[User:Blurgle Fragle|Blurgle Fragle]] ([[User talk:Blurgle Fragle|talk]]) 11:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

:Agreed — especially since he's now appeared on the parent programme. There should probably be some reviews of "The Stolen Earth" and "Journey's End" which mention him, which should provide the real-world notability that [[WP:FICT]] seeks. Since this discussion isn't terribly active, I'm tempted to remove the merge tag from Luke at least. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 04:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I can't see any sense in putting maria into the minor characters (using an example from Doctor Who to prove my point here) - Sylvia Noble has done alot less than Maria in the scope of her appearances on TV, Leo Jones has barely any significance and they justiffy their own articles. If they do Maria certainly warrants one [[Special:Contributions/86.131.169.159|86.131.169.159]] ([[User talk:86.131.169.159|talk]]) 23:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

{{discussion bottom}}

== DVD releases? ==

Should we have a section about DVD releases? - [[Invasion of the Bane]] is already out. [[User: StuartDD|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Stuart</span>]][[User talk: StuartDD|<span style="background:red;color:white">DD</span>]] <sub>[[Special:Contributions/StuartDD|contributions]]</sub> 14:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC).

Two words...January 2009????? [for the next D.V.D. release that is].
The article had said the Australian release for season 1 was sometime this year 2010. It was actually in June 2009 and I certainly got it at an ABC Shop way before 2010 came along. I have now corrected the release date for season 1.--[[Special:Contributions/211.30.239.71|211.30.239.71]] ([[User talk:211.30.239.71|talk]]) 02:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== Canada ==

Could someone mention the Canadian Broadcast in the International Broadcast section? I'd do it but being unable to [[cut and paste]] (I'm stuck using the [[Wii]]'s [[Internet Channel]], which has limited capabilities) makes it difficult to cite my sources properly. [[User:GracieLizzie|GracieLizzie]] ([[User talk:GracieLizzie|talk]]) 19:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== Will there be an American debut? ==

Anyone know if/when there will be an American debut? Sci-Fi Channel? BBC America? PBS? All of the above? None of the above? [[User:Nomad Of Norad|Nomad Of Norad]] ([[User talk:Nomad Of Norad|talk]]) 07:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
:See "International Broadcast" in the article! :) - [[User:Etron81|Etron81]] ([[User talk:Etron81|talk]]) 18:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

== Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series ==

I am writing [[User:Lady Aleena/Television/Crossovers|an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality]] as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the [[User talk:Lady Aleena/Television/Crossovers|talk page]] would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - [[User:Lady Aleena|LA]] @ 17:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

== Rephrase required? ==

'''A further implication of this reference is that the events of SJA series one take place before series three of Doctor Who.''' Only the first two stories. Smith and Jones could be any time after Revenge of the Slitheen, Clyde's debut story. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 14:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
:We know that Sarah-Jane must have first met Luke and Maria sometime after she featured in Doctor Who- because she said that the Doctor inspired her to begin looking into alien activities again. We can also surmise that it must be some time afterwards because in the final episode her flashbacks to the creation of Mr Smith imply that she was already well-connected in the alien-underground to have acquired the crystal that led to him being built. All we can discern following "The Stolen Earth" is that her adventures in her series took place during Martha's and Donna's tenures as companion. [[User:Jonty-comp|Jonty-comp]] ([[User talk:Jonty-comp|talk]]) 14:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Where SJA fits in relation to Doctor Who episodes in covered in the [[Chronology of the Doctor Who universe]] article. You might wish to consider putting a reference to this article in the SJA one (perhaps in the 'Story connections' section?). [[User:Cuddlyopedia|Cuddlyopedia]] ([[User talk:Cuddlyopedia|talk]]) 06:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:I'm a bit leery of all these attempts to determine the chronology of modern-day Doctor Who — it's a real magnet for [[WP:NOR|original research]]. It's slightly different from the [[UNIT dating controversy]], because that was discussed in reliable sources long before Wikipedia existed. Unless there's been some discussion of these more recent chronology issues in ''Doctor Who Magazine'' or some such source, I think we should avoid mentioning them here. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 13:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


==Images Missing from Sarah Jane Adventures Episode Pages==
== Other articles ==
I have noticed there are a number of SJA episode pages that do not have images the list is below i will tick them off as and when they are completed.


[[Invasion of the Bane]] {{tick}} <br>
'''Also confirmed for the second series are Gary Beadle and Jocelyn Jee Esien, who will be introduced as Clyde's parents Paul and Carla in the seventh episode''' I've added that to the actor's articles, I assume the Gallifrey One source linked at end of the papagraph mentioned it, so I cited it. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 09:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
[[Eye of the Gorgon]]<br>
[[From Raxacoricofallapatorius with Love]]<br>
[[Prisoner of the Judoon]]<br>
[[The Mad Woman in the Attic]]<br>
[[The Eternity Trap]]<br>
[[Mona Lisa's Revenge]]<br>
[[The Gift (The Sarah Jane Adventures)|The Gift]] <br>


Thanks [[User:Kelvin 101|Kelvin 101]] ([[User talk:Kelvin 101|talk]]) 17:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
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| date = [[2007-01-31]] cover date
| first=Clayton
| last=Hickman
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| title = Writing Sarah
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| pages = p. 5}}</nowiki>
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==Audio Adventures page==
: fixed (made second reference dwmjan2) --[[Special:Contributions/79.75.111.140|79.75.111.140]] ([[User talk:79.75.111.140|talk]]) 09:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I have started of the first audio adventures page as requested above [[The Glittering Storm]] Thanks [[User:Kelvin 101|Kelvin 101]] ([[User talk:Kelvin 101|talk]]) 18:33, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


== Audio Adventures ==
== Good Article? ==


That paragraph is confusing. Sounds like the same two stories were released in November of 2007 AND 2008. Can someone clean it up so it sounds clearer? [[User:Coreman|The Core-Man]] ([[User talk:Coreman|talk]]) 15:38, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm hestitant as I say this but is this article a Good Article? And if it is not what needs to be done to improve it? Regards [[User:Rafmarham|Rafmarham]] ([[User talk:Rafmarham|talk]]) 17:01, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


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== External links modified ==
Just to say that I've moved a bit of material around to make the article flow better, but not deleted anything. My updates were not so much for the second series, as for the first - clearly a lot of work was put in after "Invasion of the Bane", but there was no mention of notable guest cast in series 1, for example, to match the level of detail concerning the first episode. I hope it's a bit more logical now. Maybe the prospective information about 24-part filming of Series 2 and 3, no doubt correct at the time, but not officially confirmed by the BBC and contradicted apparently in SFX, should be removed altogether?


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IMHO we are writing this for a general Wikipedia audience, not an audience of ''Doctor Who'' fans, so it would be good to have more emphasis on the programme itself, rather than on K-9 and the Doctor Who links. In particular, how about a fuller description of the format/scenario to make the lead 2 paragraphs? --[[Special:Contributions/79.75.111.140|79.75.111.140]] ([[User talk:79.75.111.140|talk]]) 08:57, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


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The new series K-9 is hardly a related series, as it is not at all part of the Who/SJA/Torchwood continuity, and is not even made by the same production company. Thus, I believe it should be removed from this page as a reference. [[User:Alteran1|Alteran1]] ([[User talk:Alteran1|talk]]) 05:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Even still, K-9 is going to be in The Sarah Jane Adventures series 3 and has been in Doctor Who series 2 and 4 and Sarah Jane series 1, K-9 is in new series K-9 so therefore he is a character that has appeared in 3 different programmes. Even if K-9 is made by different people they still share a character and that is how they are related. Anyway isn't it the creator of K-9 (who has all rights) that is helping with the series? That's another link.--[[User:Whoniverse93|°wɧoɳɪvɛʀsɜ]] 10:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
* You could mention its relations but the fact it is not made by the BBC will not allow any sort of references regaurding any of Doctor Who/ SJA or Torchood although it could also be argued that it was the BBC's idea before they sold it on so not sure. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.220.81.231|188.220.81.231]] ([[User talk:188.220.81.231|talk]]) 16:07, 7 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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DVD Release Table modified due to poor readability, incorrect information and duplication of details within table. Table has now been simplified and sourced. [[User:Krush233|Krush233]] ([[User talk:Krush233|talk]]) 13:51, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


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:It was extremey poorly formatted; Try Not To Use All Caps. Also, sourcing seems to have taken a hit for the worse. DVD covers are not needed; they rarely meet with our fair-use guidelines when presented in a list. <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — [[User:Edokter|<span style="color: #008;"><b><i>E</i>dokter</b></span>]] • [[User_talk:Edokter|<span style="color: #080;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 16:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
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Hi - I see that no seperate articles exist for the four SJA audio adventures, whereas they do for the DW and Torchwood audios. Is this a decision that has been made (I'm new here), or would people be in agreement to have articles for those stories? I would be happy to contribute to the articles if there was an agreement to start them. [[User:Eldrad must live|Eldrad must live]] ([[User talk:Eldrad must live|talk]]) 13:56, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
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:I just think no-one got around to starting the articles - I'd say go ahead and start them! [[User:Etron81|Etron81]] ([[User talk:Etron81|talk]]) 21:11, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
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== Doctor Cameo confirmed? ==
hey its Lerdthenerd, over the news lately especially in the Sun's tv mag it says the doctor will make a cameo appearence in the new series--[[User:Lerdthenerd|Lerdthenerd]] ([[User talk:Lerdthenerd|talk]]) 13:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


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== New spin-off ==
There has been a new spin-off of The Sarah Jane Adventures which started on CBBC today after part 1 of the Nightmare Man. The series is called "Sarah Jane's Alien Files" (called "SJA Alien Files" on the title sequence), and shows Sarah Jane keep files on all her villians through Mr. Smith. There are 6 episodes, each Monday, starting with todays, and are indeed set in the [[Whoniverse]]. I am making a note of this but i need back-up, of cause. Could someone prehaps make more note of it. [[Special:Contributions/77.99.231.37|77.99.231.37]] ([[User talk:77.99.231.37|talk]]) 17:07, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


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== Production ==


== Who exactly counts as starring ==
The Production section seems somewhat lacking. I have been bold and added a brief section about reusing props from the parent show.


Unlike its sister shows ''Doctor Who'' and ''Torchwood'', ''The Sarah Jane Adventures'' has just one actor mentioned in its title sequence throughout, Elisabeth Sladen, which is why I felt that additional actors being put under starring would require a source mentioning intent from the BBC and/or producers (unlike, say, Eve Myles in ''Torchwood''). On my talk page I was given the reasoning that if the end credits characters have an "obvious cast order", then that should be sufficient and no references are needed.
I have been looking for a source to confirm who is the show runner. I am sure I have read that Gareth Roberts was the de facto showrunner, but have also seen Phil Ford listed (on Wiki) for season 2. Furthermore, I assume that RTD has more time now, and is probably a little more involved than he has been in the past. Does anybody have a source for who runs the show?[[Special:Contributions/189.216.73.153|189.216.73.153]] ([[User talk:189.216.73.153|talk]]) 01:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


However, a) this excludes John Leeson and Alexander Armstrong from the main cast regardless as they are consistently behind Joseph Millson and Juliet Cowan in the credits order (and also Mina Anwar and Ace Bhatti later on) and no one for one second thinks Alan and Chrissie are ''uncontroversially'' main cast, and b) Tommy Knight's reduced number of appearances as Luke in series 4 and 5 would still make him one of the main characters based on his position in the credits, ahead of Daniel Anthony and Anjli Mohindra. I mean, this page has a promotional image with both Tommy Knight and Sinead Michael, who debuted in series 5. [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 21:25, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
== Recurring Cast section ==


== "Doctor Who characters" ==
Just on Haresh and Gita Chandra, the "except" part seems quite large (almost as many as they are in). I feel "Except" should only be a few stories (eg, the Jacksons - their "except" list is one or two stories). Once you start getting to this many stories under "except" (Gita has 9), would it not be better just to list those that they are in, rather than the "Except" list getting bigger and bigger. [[Special:Contributions/212.20.248.35|212.20.248.35]] ([[User talk:212.20.248.35|talk]]) 09:23, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


Separately, but also related to my edit yesterday: For what purpose is there for the eight overlapping ''Doctor Who'' cast in a table, three of hose eight being from news broadcast exposition scenes, and why are non-appearances and brief mentions of characters (including a couple whose actors died in the 80s and 90s) mentioned like that on the primary page of the series? How is that passage anything to do with cast and crew, never mind a subheader? Surely the appearances of the Doctor and Jo can just be placed in sentence form in the cast section immediately above, where Nicholas Courtney as Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart ''is'' already mentioned. [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 21:40, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
==Series 5 completed episodes==
I used the authoritative Doctor Who News Page as my source for the statement that 3 stories (6 episodes) of SJA were completed before Sladen died (they were filmed during the Series 4 production block). If the source isn't considered "reliable", this fact had also been reported in Doctor Who Magazine previously, though I don't have chapter and verse to cite. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.64.9|68.146.64.9]] ([[User talk:68.146.64.9|talk]]) 00:43, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
:I wonder if this is why the Alien Files spin-off was created... ''in the event that Sarah Jane is no longer capable of defending the Earth'' . [[Special:Contributions/65.94.45.160|65.94.45.160]] ([[User talk:65.94.45.160|talk]]) 11:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
:BBC [http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110504_03/The_Sarah_Jane_Adventures has confirmed] that three stories (six episodes) of series 5 will be aired, and that's it for ''TSJA''. [[User:Travisl|travisl]] ([[User talk:Travisl|talk]]) 19:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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Airdate for final episodes

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Someone inserted October into the introduction as the airdate for the final episodes. So far only one source - Doctor Who Magazine - has speculated this date. The BBC has yet to announce when it will air and bear in mind this year Doctor Who is airing in the fall, so that may result in the SJA episodes airing later than usual (perhaps even around Christmas). Also, once the change was made the sentence no longer reflected the information in the cited source at the end of the sentence; when changing such info you need to make sure the source still matches - or is replaced by an updated source. 68.146.78.43 (talk) 13:01, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Images Missing from Sarah Jane Adventures Episode Pages

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I have noticed there are a number of SJA episode pages that do not have images the list is below i will tick them off as and when they are completed.

Invasion of the Bane checkY
Eye of the Gorgon
From Raxacoricofallapatorius with Love
Prisoner of the Judoon
The Mad Woman in the Attic
The Eternity Trap
Mona Lisa's Revenge
The Gift

Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 17:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Audio Adventures page

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I have started of the first audio adventures page as requested above The Glittering Storm Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 18:33, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article?

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I'm hestitant as I say this but is this article a Good Article? And if it is not what needs to be done to improve it? Regards Rafmarham (talk) 17:01, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Grandiose (talk · contribs) 12:17, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will conduct a full review once certain things have been addressed, which need to be done within 7 days:
  • Please address all citation needed and original research tags.
Article on hold. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 12:17, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The article needs a thorough copyedit. For example, there should be no space between consecutive references; the standard of English is poor in much of the article. Consider the audiobooks section alone:
  • "Series star" - not encyclopedic wording;
  • "Minute" should not be capitalised, and, preferably, with a non-breaking space before it;
  • "called "The Monster Hunt" written by Trevor Baxendale, read by Anjli Mohindra this episode" - grammar.
  • "Both parts can only be downloaded by finding aliens" really? surely this gimmick is not notable. The fact they can be found on the website is sufficient;
  • "Sarah Jane Adventures" - self redirect;
  • "Website" - should be "website"
  • "It is unclear if these will be the last stories, ending with the series, or if they will carry on after series 5 has ended." - poorly worded for an encyclopedia.

See if you can apply these ideas to the whole article. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 15:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Amazon is not a reliable source and these should be replaced. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:41, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Who would you recomend to be a reliable source? Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 14:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Any independent media source that mentions the existence of such a DVD, preferably. I'd be prepared to accept one from the BBC or its affiliates in these locations, though. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 18:10, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The references for the existence of DVDs and Blu-ray have been changed to BBC Shop and 2 Entertain links which are official BBC websites. thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 18:38, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There are some others in the "audiobooks" section. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 19:36, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Audiobook section is references have been amended, I think the Novelisations has a lot of Amazon references so i will find other official references for them. Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 15:24, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Novelisations section references has now been amended is there anything else that needs to be done. Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 16:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to do it it drabs, but #18 isn't broken and #73 and #74 need more details (date, page, ISSN(?)). Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 21:21, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above items you described have no been resolved thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 16:25, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The citation needed tags need filling with citations. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:20, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
All Citations have now been resolved. Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 18:02, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please expand the section that I have now marked as requiring expansion. I think that may be all. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 19:57, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have expanded on the Critical response section. TsangeTalk 18:30, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Although I would have liked some more "reputable" critics, there's enough there to satisfy the criteria. Passing. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 19:22, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Who exactly counts as starring

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Unlike its sister shows Doctor Who and Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures has just one actor mentioned in its title sequence throughout, Elisabeth Sladen, which is why I felt that additional actors being put under starring would require a source mentioning intent from the BBC and/or producers (unlike, say, Eve Myles in Torchwood). On my talk page I was given the reasoning that if the end credits characters have an "obvious cast order", then that should be sufficient and no references are needed.

However, a) this excludes John Leeson and Alexander Armstrong from the main cast regardless as they are consistently behind Joseph Millson and Juliet Cowan in the credits order (and also Mina Anwar and Ace Bhatti later on) and no one for one second thinks Alan and Chrissie are uncontroversially main cast, and b) Tommy Knight's reduced number of appearances as Luke in series 4 and 5 would still make him one of the main characters based on his position in the credits, ahead of Daniel Anthony and Anjli Mohindra. I mean, this page has a promotional image with both Tommy Knight and Sinead Michael, who debuted in series 5. TardisTybort (talk) 21:25, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Doctor Who characters"

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Separately, but also related to my edit yesterday: For what purpose is there for the eight overlapping Doctor Who cast in a table, three of hose eight being from news broadcast exposition scenes, and why are non-appearances and brief mentions of characters (including a couple whose actors died in the 80s and 90s) mentioned like that on the primary page of the series? How is that passage anything to do with cast and crew, never mind a subheader? Surely the appearances of the Doctor and Jo can just be placed in sentence form in the cast section immediately above, where Nicholas Courtney as Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart is already mentioned. TardisTybort (talk) 21:40, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]