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==vote for Moses to become a featured article== |
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Vote at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Moses]] so as too get Moses into a featured article [[User:Java7837|Java7837]] 23:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== Mediation on [[Talk:Calvary Chapel]]== |
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== Reviving this project == |
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There's an informal mediation taking place on [[Talk:Calvary Chapel]], which some folk might like to chime in on. It's basically a dispute over whether [[Calvary Chapel]] can be considered part of this project, and someone keeps removing the template. If you feel like adding your 2c-worth, go ahead. [[User:David L Rattigan|David L Rattigan]] 08:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Hello everyone, I am reviving this project since it has been dormant for about a year. Keep an eye out for updates on the to do lists, etc. and add yourself as a member if you want to help out. [[User:Callsignpink|Callsignpink]] ([[User talk:Callsignpink|talk]]) 13:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC) |
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We've made some good strides on the Toronto Blessing article and I will be nominating it for Good Article status in the next few days after a bit more rudimentary cleanup. Thanks to all who helped![[User:Doctorg|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;color:#336699;text-shadow:grey 4px 4px 8px;"> '''Doctor'''<sup><big>G </big></sup></span>]] [[User talk:DoctorG|<span style="color:black">''(talk)''</span>]] 23:08, 23 August 2017 (UTC) |
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May I suggest a new flavor of tag? If someone at CC is bothered by a tag that indicates that CC is Charismatic/Pentecostal, and the reason for tagging their article is that they used to be (or came out of, etc), then perhaps a different tag may be more acceptable to them? [[User:DougJoseph|DougJoseph]] 02:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Archived old talk content == |
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==Recruitment drive: Getting participants in this project== |
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I archived the old talk page content since it was several years old. You can find it using the archive links.[[User:Callsignpink|Callsignpink]] ([[User talk:Callsignpink|talk]]) 21:51, 7 August 2016 (UTC) |
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== Toronto Blessing == |
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This is the first time I've done a project, so I'm a bit green when it comes to getting participants. There are only a handful at the moment. I will have a look at what the policies and guidelines say about recruiting for projects, but if anyone else has suggestions how we can get others involved, please share! [[User:David L Rattigan|David L Rattigan]] 08:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC) |
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My focus right now is on getting the Toronto Blessing article up to GA quality since so many o today's charismatic leaders spent time at TACF during the early parts of this revival. I'm hoping to link out to other BLP's of Bill Johnson, etc. from this article. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Doctorg|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;color:#336699;text-shadow:grey 4px 4px 8px;"> '''Doctor'''<sup><big>G </big></sup></span>]] [[User talk:DoctorG|<span style="color:black">''(talk)''</span>]] 23:07, 23 August 2017 (UTC)</small> |
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=== Major Impacts === |
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I'm looking for any major impacts that have occurred (good or bad) as a result of the Toronto Blessing. My current line of thought is to look at IRIS ministries, Global Awakening, and a few others to show worldwide impact. If you have any ideas please add them in.[[User:Doctorg|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;color:#336699;text-shadow:grey 4px 4px 8px;"> '''Doctor'''<sup><big>G </big></sup></span>]] [[User talk:DoctorG|<span style="color:black">''(talk)''</span>]] 23:06, 23 August 2017 (UTC) |
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== One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement! == |
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:I, for one, would love to get involved. I am a charismatic Christian, and having been involved with both large and small charismatic churches and having studied the subject, I may be of some use to you. Just tell me what I can do for you, and I'll try and do it. --[[User:Sirwilliam|Sirwilliam]] 04:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:Happy also to help out [[User:Mike Orchard|Mike Orchard]] 09:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC) |
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Hello,<br>Please note that '''[[Holy Spirit]]''', which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of '''[[Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement|Today's articles for improvement]]'''. The article was [[Wikipedia:Today's article for improvement/Schedule|scheduled]] to appear on Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Community portal|Community portal]] in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! <!-- Substituted from Template:TAFI project notice --><br /> |
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==Attention given to one of your articles== |
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Please feel free to play around with the main project page. I have been making a few additions to clarify the scope of the project etc, but I'm sure there are others who could help to hone the particulars. [[User:David L Rattigan|David L Rattigan]] 09:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC) |
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In seeking a wikilink to the title concept of [[Signs and wonders]] I turned to that article, and found it a morass of non-encyclopedic content. |
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'''''So bad was it, in form and substance, that unsympathetic editors had inserted pseudo-citations—to [[P.G. Wodehouse]], [[Peter Jackson]] and [[The Hobbitt]]. and to [[Richard Dawkins]], and no one had noticed the vandalism!''''' |
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:I hope you don't mind that I made a minor edit - . . . "but an acknowledgement that they have ''have'' important features in common with, or find their roots in, a form of charismatic Christianity." I just removed the doubled 'have'. [[User:Thelma Bowlen|Thelma Bowlen]] 02:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC) |
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I have made bold, hard edits, in support of this continuing as an article—it had been tagged as potentially non-notable—and after doing so, I have removed the edit questioning the notability of the concept (which may also have been a subtle act of further vandalism), ''because there is no question of a need for an article on this oft-mentioned expression and concept.'' |
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==A word about bias== |
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'''However, the notion of that article continuing as a place where people edit and add information without sources—that "progress" is, I hope, forever ended.''' |
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I'd like to see as many folk from as many different perspectives as possible come on board with this project. One thing I have learned from seeing discussion pages on charismatic topics is that there is a lot of controversy over POV and people writing articles "with an agenda". |
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'''Likewise, I have removed all the pseudo scholarship, of listing books as a component of article content (rather than making clear what the contributions were, from those books).''' |
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I freely admit that I am an ''ex-''charismatic (and ex-evangelical) with severe reservations about the charismatic movement and Pentecostalism in general. But I have started this project because I have an interest in charismatic Christianity as a historic and contemporary phenomenon, not because I have an axe to grind. |
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Books have points, and if they are important, scholars extract those points and present them. It is only in the well informed, and casual conversation, that scholars might way, "Well, there is always Sarles in '88." to which another might reply, "Well of course, but he was answered by Bond in '90." '''''But this is not encyclopedic writing, and could not be left to stand here: Mentions of authors and titles is pseudo-scholarship, and is not, in any case, encyclopedic content.''''' |
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As new contributors come on board, I think it is important that editors give each other the benefit of the doubt when it comes to accusations of injecting bias into the articles (with the exception of clear-cut propaganda etc). Just because someone has a personal bias, doesn't mean they can't override that and produce an objective article. |
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FInally, one paragraph I lost hope and patience for, and simply moved to the Talk section. Please, feel free and move it back, but not before: |
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Just wanted to mention that because if the 'talk' history of some of the existing articles is anything to go by, it could become an issue. [[User:David L Rattigan|David L Rattigan]] 22:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC) |
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* you remove the comparable pseudo-scholarship, |
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* you source all material being returned, |
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* you remove any content not worth the time to forensically research and source, and/or |
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* you add additional, better summaries of more contemporary, scholarly, and thorough sources. |
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For as you can see in the tag, the article is still in awful shape, and needs work. But if you are not going to bother to bring the sort of effort that you would put forth for a graded senior undergraduate or graduate seminary paper—please, do not bother. The poor work is already there, and does not need more added. |
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:Heya... Thought I'd join. For the record, I'm a pentecostal, though I'd probably put myself more in the "classical" camp, rather than the "anything-goes" attitude that seems to permeate some sections of the pentecostal/charismatic movement today. I'm not one for meandering around the articles looking for things to do, but if you assign me a task, I'm happy to do it. I have pretty broad research interests, so fire away. Regards, [[User:Jaems|Jaems]] 03:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Cheers, Le Prof. (Feel free and look in on who I am, and my priorities here.) [[User:Leprof 7272|Leprof 7272]] ([[User talk:Leprof 7272|talk]]) 06:22, 4 April 2017 (UTC) |
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::Great. Appreciate what you're doing tagging talk pages with the WikiProject template. That is the most useful thing at this stage. My approach at this stage is to start with one article and follow links to related articles and so on, just to get as many relevant articles as possible tagged. Making a note of gaps (ie requests for new articles) would also be good at this stage. There's a list on the main project page for that. Cheers. [[User:David L Rattigan|David L Rattigan]] 11:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== Issues with obscure links on [[Talk:Daniel_Sidney_Warner|TP:Daniel S. Warner]]! == |
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==Criticism== |
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Hi! Don't know how to fix this one: On the [[Talk:Daniel_Sidney_Warner|TP:Daniel S. Warner]] there are lots of links to a dubious site all over the page, namely <syntaxhighlight lang="text">http://www.dswarnerlibrary.com</syntaxhighlight>. |
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We used to have an extensive article on criticism of the Charismatic and Pentecostal movements, but this was deleted, for various reasons. However, now the section on criticism in [[Charismatic movement]] is a tiny two paragraph section ([[Charismatic_movement#Criticism_of_the_movement]]). Nonetheless, it would be useful to salvage material from the old deleted article, making sure it's NPOV, of course. The old article can be found [[Talk:Charismatic movement/Criticism salvage|here]]. [[User:Matt Crypto|— Matt <small>Crypto</small>]] 18:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Maybe this site is hacked, hijacked or simply obsolete. It is in ''chinese characters''(!), and perhaps may even be malicious... Would please someone look into it. - Thank you --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.236.195|89.15.236.195]] ([[User talk:89.15.236.195|talk]]) 02:51, 17 June 2017 (UTC) |
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:I removed all the links, but the article as a whole needs some legitimate references.[[User:Doctorg|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;color:#336699;text-shadow:grey 4px 4px 8px;"> '''Doctor'''<sup><big>G </big></sup></span>]] [[User talk:DoctorG|<span style="color:black">''(talk)''</span>]] 21:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC) |
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==RFC: is faith healing a pseudoscience== |
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:Cheers, Matt. Please sign up as a member of the project if you think you can contribute something. |
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An [[Talk:Faith_healing#RfC_about_inserting_content_and_category_about_pseudoscience | Request For Comments is asking whether faith healing should be categorised as a pseudoscience]]. Good arguments have been made by both sides, which you of course can consider before casting a vote, if interested.--[[User:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">Literaturegeek</span>]] | [[User_talk:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">''T@1k?''</span>]] 03:17, 7 March 2018 (UTC) |
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== ''Ichthus'' May 2018 is available == |
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:As I've been tagging some articles with the project template, I can see this is a ''huge'' task. Many articles on crucial topics are poorly written and often from a non-NPOV. Many of them are simply vehicles for grossly biased, unverified information and have gone unchecked. There is some major clean-up to be done. [[User:David L Rattigan|David L Rattigan]] 22:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== WikiProject collaboration notice from the [[WP:WPPORT|Portals WikiProject]] == |
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== Scope of project == |
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The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them. |
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Wasn't sure how to approach this or where to say it...but be being |
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bold(ish)..... |
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Portals are being redesigned. |
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Although I appreciate the desire to have a project that encompasses all possible areas that have, or may of had at some stage in history, a connection with Charismatic or Pentecostal Christianity is there not a danger that |
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The new design features are being applied to existing portals. |
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1. the project will be submerged into endless controversy if it is going to include anything that does not 'self identify' as either as being linked to Pentecostalism or the Charismatic Movement. |
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At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{tl|Transclude lead excerpt}}. |
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2. it will expand to include any form of Christianity that deviates slightly from 'mainline' versions - in which case perhaps the Project needs to be called something else (unorthodox christianity?) - perhaps focussing on the definition of what is in scope will prevent too many conflicts. |
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The discussion about this can be found '''[[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Portals#AWB_team_please_tackle_maintenance_run_on_intro_sections|here]]'''. |
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3. the focus will move towards any form of charismatic behaviour, as defined by the usual use of the word i.e. 'human personalities of magnetic charm / influential communication / persuasion abilities / behaviour) by any one associated with christianity. |
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Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portals#Specific_portal_maintainers|here]]''', noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time. |
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Would it not be better to focus on an alternative main subject - possibly the theology, belief and consistent practices rather than the short term excesses seen at the start of some of the movements. I know this could also be difficult as the distinction in many cases is not one of the validity or availability of the gifts of the Spirit - but the encouragement, in some cases with subsequent abuse, for them to be part of everyday practice. |
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I appreciate that distinctions between groups can be hard to make but if the scope is too wide then all that will happen is a continual repitition of who's in and who's out as has been continuing between theologians etc over the last century - see the rather poor (POV) article on [[New religious movement]] |
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Although I can mainly only speak regarding European practice, and recognise the importance of maintaining both a historical and a current day perspective, it may be POV to describe Pentecostal churches as outside the 'mainstream' as evidenced by their inclusion in many ecumenical bodies such as the 'Evangelical Alliance' and 'Churches Together'. |
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There's an [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-05-24/WikiProject report|article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject]]. |
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Trying to be useful, [[User:Johnmarkh|Johnmarkh]] 18:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals. |
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===Response to Johnmarkh=== |
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So far, 84 editors have joined. |
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Thanks for your thoughts, Johnmarkh. I'll address them point-by-point, as I think for the most part your concerns are unfounded. |
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If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals/Newsletter archive|newsletter archive]]. |
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#I don't think self-identification should be the key criterion. After all, a group's decision to accept or reject a label is just as much a POV as someone else's decision to impose that label on them. I think what the project needs is a clear definition of what we mean by "charismatic" in a wider context. |
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#There's no reason why it will expand to cover anything not mainstream. First, charismatic Christianity is no longer out of the mainstream. Second, if we have a definition of "charismatic", then there's a clear criterion for which groups to include. Third, charismatic Christianity traditionally remains within orthodoxy (ie on core, historic doctrines such as Scripture, the Trinity, the Atonement etc). |
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#The meaning of "charismatic" you give here is a different meaning that has no necessary connection to "charismatic" in this context, which is a word deriving from the biblical word "charismata", referring to what is usually translated "[spiritual] gifts". There is no reason why the two should be confused. |
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Your concerns have been helpful, though, as it does highlight the need for us to work on a definition of "Charismatic Christianity". [[User:David L Rattigan|David L Rattigan]] 20:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Thank you. <span class="nowrap"> — ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' </span> 10:54, 31 May 2018 (UTC) |
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==Defining "Charismatic Christianity"== |
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== ''Ichthus'' June 2018 is out now! == |
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Following on from [[User:Johnmarkh|Johnmarkh's]] concerns, I think we should attempt to define what we mean by "Charismatic Christianity". It is certainly broader than the [[Charismatic movement]] and [[Pentecostalism]], as it encompasses any form of Christianity that grants a place to the so-called "charismatic" gifts (the extraordinary gifts of tongues, prophecy, healing etc) in the spiritual life of the believer and the Church. |
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That's just a rough definition. Any thoughts on this? [[User:David L Rattigan|David L Rattigan]] 20:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== Request for information on WP1.0 web tool == |
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:Well, I think the term is best defined based on the two words it comprises. We should not put the project template on pages where it is a shock to the existing editors, and sticking close to the standard definitions of the words is the best way to do that. (As for those groups that originated in charismatic Christianity but have diverged, we might put regular or a wiki comment <nowiki><!-- comment here --></nowiki> immediately after the project template on the talk page, with the comment explaining the origination. |
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:So for "Christianity" the focus should be [[Orthodoxy | orthodox]] Christianity. Of course, in charistmatic christianity as in any broad Christian movement, some have clearly slipped outside orthodoxy and even more have been said by other Christians to have done so. To the extent such criticism is significant, it should be noted as per the general standards on handling POV criticism. |
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:For "Charismatic", I would suggest instead of "grants a place" something more like "gives a priority or emphasis to" the [[Spiritual gift | ''charismata'']]. Even cessationist Christians grant a place to the spiritual gifts, it is just a place that has a temporal boundary ending centuries ago. Of course, there will be grey areas as to whether the gifts are priorized or emphasized. |
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== Wayman Mitchell AfD 3-25-2020 == |
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: We should prioritize on topics that are important to charismatic Christianity and clearly meet each of the above definitions. We would probably cover any important topic that meets one but is in the grey zone on another. An example of such a topic is a denomination that clearly originated as Christian and charismatic but developed to be clearly non-orthodox. On the other hand, a sect that occasionally mentioned the spiritual gifts and was clearly non-orthodox for its entire existence would be outside the bounds (grey on one, wrong on the other.) We may have to have a few discussions about the grey zones before the contributors to this project reach a consensus. If we don't have consensus and have enough participants later , we can always have sub to-do lists for things in the grey zones. [[User:GRBerry|GRBerry]] 21:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Feel free to vote at [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Wayman_Mitchell]].--[[User:Epiphyllumlover|Epiphyllumlover]] ([[User talk:Epiphyllumlover|talk]]) 18:10, 25 March 2020 (UTC) |
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== RfC on ecclesiastical titles == |
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::The defintion 'gives priority or emphasis to' is possibly a little too narrow, there are Pentecostal organisations where the gifts have a place but where balance and proportionality are also important. The definition would also remove Calvary Chapel as they 'grant a place' but do not 'give priority' to the gifts. As Chuck Smith was originaly ordained in and subsequently left a Pentecostal Denomination, became involved in/around the Jesus movement and subsequently formed the CC 'movement' the picture would not be complete without some method of involving or referring to them. [[User:Johnmarkh|Johnmarkh]] 19:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC) |
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There is a proposal for a [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#New_subsection_on_Ecclesiastical_titles|new subsection on ecclesiastical titles]] being conducted at [[MOS:BIO]]. Interested editors are encouraged to participate. --[[User:Slugger O'Toole|Slugger O'Toole]] ([[User talk:Slugger O'Toole|talk]]) 02:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I think Calvary Chapel at least fits as a "relative" of the charismatic movement, and relevant to the subject historically. |
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== User script to detect unreliable sources == |
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:::"Orthodox" is also problematic, as GR Berry mentioned. Oneness Pentecostalism, for example, is non-orthodox on the doctrine of the Trinity, and yet it is a major player in worldwide charismatic Christianity. [[User:David L Rattigan|David L Rattigan]] 15:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:I believe David is very close to the mark in his definition of charismatic. First, for our purpose here the term must be defined by its popular usage, not its biblical usage. Second, any belief or practice that is common to both sides of the charismatic / non-charismatic divide cannot be used as a distinguishing mark of "charismatic." This would include the continuation of the gift of prophecy, as it is accepted as a modern gift by the non-charismatic John MacArthur, although defined differently than by many charismatics. |
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I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to [[WP:URS|unreliable sources]] and [[predatory journal]]s. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the [[Wikipedia:User scripts/Most imported scripts|39th most imported script on Wikipedia]]. The idea is that it takes something like |
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*John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14. (<code><nowiki>John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.</nowiki></code>) |
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and turns it into something like |
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* John Smith "{{highlight|[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]|pink}}" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14. |
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It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{tl|cite web}}, {{tl|cite journal}} and {{tl|doi}}. |
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:There is, in my opinion, a very simple dividing line in the way that charismatic is defined by common usage, although this is not necessarily done consciously. The distinction is that charismatics accept the gifts of tongues, interpretation, miracles, and healing as extant in the modern church as a whole. (as for apostleship, there are some scholars who believe this to be a calling and not a "spiritual gift," i.e. Jack Deere and Samuel Storms.) All other gifts are at least sometimes defined in a non-supernatural manner. These four gifts, in my experience, are never defined naturally, and are never accepted by churches who call themselves non-charismatic. There are also no churches or individuals (that I know of) who who call themselves charismatic while denying the continuation of these four gifts. |
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The script is mostly based on [[WP:RSPSOURCES]], [[WP:NPPSG]] and [[WP:CITEWATCH]] and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed. |
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:I also think David is correct that these churches only have to "give a place to" these gifts to be considered charismatic. A church that accepts these gifts but tries to minimalize their importance might be called "marginally" or "mildly" charismatic, but they would never be called non-charismatic. [[User:Aurelian G.|Aurelian G.]] 19:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC) |
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Do note that this is '''not a script to be mindlessly used''', and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at [[User:Headbomb/unreliable]]. Questions, comments and requests can be made at [[User talk:Headbomb/unreliable]]. |
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===Collaboration? Nominations, please=== |
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Perhaps we could start working on our first collaboration? I nominate the following: |
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* [[Charismatic movement]] |
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* [[Spiritual gifts]] |
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* [[Baptism of the Holy Spirit]] |
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== Two articles for deletion - Nigerian Pentecostalism articles == |
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They are all existing articles that could do with clean-up and expansion. I see [[User:Paddles|Paddles]] is already working on [[Spiritual gifts]], so maybe we could join him in that. |
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Please see these two articles and share your opinions on notability: |
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[[User:David L Rattigan|David L Rattigan]] 15:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC) |
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*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gospel Light International Ministries]] |
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*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Felix Omobude]] |
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**[[Felix Omobude]] is the General Superintendent of [[Gospel Light International Ministries]] |
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== Bible study == |
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I welcome and encourage contributors to this project to help expand [[Bible study (Christian)]]. This article suffers from a lack of relevent view points, and a lack of information in general. Any help would be appreicated. Good luck, and thanks!--[[User:Andrew c|Andrew c]] 14:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== Catholic Charismatic Renewal Acronym == |
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I have always heard the Catholic Charismatic Renewal referred to as CCRS Catholic Charismatic Renewal Service but a search for CCRS leads to Catholic Certificate in Religious Studies. Perhaps there should be a disambiguation page or is it enough to remove the word service from Catholic Charismatic Renewal and thereby distinguish them as CCR and CCRS?--[[User:Silverclodhopper|Silverclodhopper]] 14:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC) |
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== Key articles for Wikipedia 1.0 == |
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Hello! We at the [[WP:WVWP|Work via WikiProjects team]] for [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team|Wikipedia 1.0]] would like you to identify the "[[Wikipedia:key article|key articles]]" from your project that should be included in a small CD release due to their [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Release_Version_Criteria#Importance_of_topic|importance]], regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be [[Wikipedia:Version 0.5 Nominations|nominated for Version 0.5]] and later versions. Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please add to the [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/WPPhilrelig#Wikipedia:WikiProject Charismatic Christianity|Charismatic Christianity WikiProject article table]] any articles of [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment|high quality]]. If you are interested in developing a [[Wikipedia:Worklist|worklist]] such as [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anglicanism/Assessment#Key_articles|this one (new)]] for your WikiProject, or having a [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index_of_subjects|bot generate a worklist]] like [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality/1|this one]] automatically for you, please [[Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Work via Wikiprojects|contact us]]. Please feel free to post your suggestions right here. Thanks! [[User:Walkerma|Walkerma]] 04:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC) |
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== RFC: "Oneness_Pentecostal", "Jesus-Name_doctrine" and network of Oneness articles in general == |
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Hello all. I just found this project group, and signed up. I'm a life-long Oneness Pentecostal, currently pastoring (4th year), a preacher for 20+ years. |
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Several months ago I tackled trying to get inaccuracies and non-NPOV content cleared out -- and quality raised for -- the "Jesus-Name_doctrine" article. It is not yet 100%, but we're requesting comments on it. |
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Recently (last couple of weeks or so), I began attempting to do the same with the "Oneness_Pentecostal" article. Inaccuracies and non-NPOV content abound. It also is very lengthy, somewhat redundant, and a bit convoluted (natural results of the Wiki editing process with multiple editors). I started at the top and have now worked my way down to the "Trinitarian Interpretation" section, which I have not even touched. I am a little hesitant to tackle it for the sheer probability of being viewed as having an agenda, and for (honestly) lack of time and lack of zeal on that portion. But it deserves a fair counterbalance. We already have a lengthy "Contrast" section and it seems the "Trinitarian Interpretation" section should be merged into it, but that would make it lengthier still. The "Trinitarian Interpretation" section is plagued with typographical errors, etc. I will plod on, but I would greatly appreciate some level-headed criticism, and would _really_ appreciate some articulate assistance, especially with the "Trinitarian Interpretation" section. Much of the article beyond that point sorely needs edited, and I plan to get to it as time allows. |
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I understand there is also a "Oneness" article, but I have not even looked at it yet. I am having to take these things one at a time. |
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I am requesting comments about the whole network of "Oneness related" articles, too, because they've "grown up" from stubs, with little or no organization structure, and it all seems to be a little redundant, and somewhat disorganized. I and one other editor requested a merge in one place ("Jesus-Name_doctrine" -> "Oneness_Pentecostal") with no feedback from other editors. Any advice is welcome! :) |
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[[User:DougJoseph|DougJoseph]] 02:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:In the Oneness Pentecostal Talk page I have added some comments of a historical nature to address what appears a void among some regarding Second Century Christianity. |
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:Being new to this process I'm still not sure how we contact each other or compare notes and efforts. On the Oneness Pentecostal Talk page I am simply noted as BaB and I took the liberty of dating my remarks. [[User:Gilariverrider|Gilariverrider]] 6 September 2006 18:17PST I'm not sure how to simply tag a signature and time stamp? |
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::If the participation of others from the project is desired, talk here. If you want to talk to other editors of a specific article (a good idea also, as it will pick up other editors involved with the article but not the project, use the article's Talk page, found at the discussion tab atop the screen when viewing the article.) |
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::To suggest a merge, there are templates that can be added to the pages. Use {{tl|merge}} on both pages if you think they should be together but aren't too sure where, or {{tl|mergeto}} and {{tl|mergefrom}} if you know which title should be the final page. Also describe the reasoning on both Talk pages (though on one you can just say "See <nowiki>[[Talk:Other Page#Suggested Merge]]</nowiki>". If you do this, people watching either page will see the change and may comment. It also puts them in [[:Category:Articles to be merged]], but last I knew the backlog there was roughly 10,000 articles, so don't expect much from that. If you get affirmative feedback or no feedback for a week or two, then go ahead and do the merge. The instructions for merging are at [[Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages]]. This also contains the primary guidance on when to merge and how to do it. Finally, because of the requirements of the [[WP:GFDL]], the page eliminated should become a redirect to the merged content. [[User:GRBerry|GRBerry]] 01:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Help needed at [[Pentecostal Mission]] == |
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First attempt was copyvio, rewrite in progress at [[Pentecostal Mission/Temp]], but the contributors are not used to write in the encyclopedic style. --[[User:Pjacobi|Pjacobi]] 14:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== New Sources to be Digested and Used == |
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I just found a pair of related reliable sources that should be digested and used as appropriate. The one I found first was a [[New York Times]] article entitled [http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/us/06pentecostal.html Pentecostal and Charismatic Groups Growing]. It is about the results of a survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, a summary of which can be found at [http://pewforum.org/surveys/pentecostal/ http://pewforum.org/surveys/pentecostal/]. The full survey is available (as a 233 page PDF file) from that link. I won't have time to read, digest, and use for a week or two, but I'm pointing it out in case anyone can use these source before I do. [[User:GRBerry|GRBerry]] 13:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC) |
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== 1st hand experience is needed == |
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Movember 2006 - Having been a "charismatic" since 1968 I find that most people who discuss it know almost nothing about it personally, hence it is opinion and little else. Most people would not discuss Nepal who had not been either. {{unsigned|Headguerilla|13:09, 15 November 2006}} |
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== Shepherding Movement == |
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I'm not sure the entire scope of the charismatic christianity tag that you all are trying to acheive, but would tagging pages of churches that have been influenced by this movement be ok? I'm working on a page for a specific group and noticed that it was listed on the shepherding movement page. I also noticed, however, that the shepherding movement page was relatively unsourced. It might need some cleanup. My main question is if you want to expand the tag to churches listed in the article as well? --[[User:Mfpantst|Mfpantst]] 16:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC) |
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Dear Sir: |
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I am new at wiki so may mess up, but i have a question. I was looking up shepherding and I noticed someone was trying to get notable christian or charimatic ministers removed from wikipedia. An example is Don Basham who has at least 16 book published, and must have sold in the millions. |
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I think other notable christian minister also have already been removed. Is some biased person doing this? I don't know how to search it out |
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[[User:Nonmaus|Nonmaus]] 01:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)nonmaus |
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== [[:Category:Religious leaders]] == |
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The current organization there is abit muddled, and needs some discussing how to deal with. A general proposal for cleaning it up is posted at [[Category talk:Religious leaders#Organization proposal]], and more input would be great. It doesn't address the issue of Religious leaders/religious workers/religious figures, but that is another issue that exists. [[User:Badbilltucker|Badbilltucker]] 22:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia Day Awards == |
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Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of [[Wikipedia:Esperanza|Esperanza's]] proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at [[User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week]] where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. [[User:Badbilltucker|Badbilltucker]] 18:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC) |
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== [[WP:RELIGION|WikiProject Religion]] == |
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The group indicated above was recently revitalized for, among other things, the purpose of working on those articles whose content is such that the article does not fall within the scope of any particular denomination. To most effectively do this, however, we would benefit greatly if there were at least one member from this Project working on those articles. On that basis, I would encourage and welcome any member of this Project willing to work on those articles to join the Religion WikiProject. Thank you. [[User:Badbilltucker|Badbilltucker]] 14:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== [[Jesus]] nominated for [[WP:AID|Article Improvement Drive]] == |
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I recently found that our article on [[Jesus]] is the first page that appears when anyone does a Google search of the subject. It is currently, regrettably, only at GA status. On that basis, I would request any individuals who might be interested in helping to bring this article up to FA status to indicate their support for the article being chosen as the AID article at [[Wikipedia:Article Creation and Improvement Drive#Jesus]]. Thank you for your attention. [[User:Badbilltucker|Badbilltucker]] 18:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Assemblies of God == |
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The [[Assemblies of God]] article is drawing criticism and an indication of AFD nomination - see [[Talk:Assemblies of God]] [[User:Paul foord|Paul foord]] 05:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== New project proposal == |
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There is a new WikiProject task force proposal at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Inter-religious content]] that is being proposed to deal specifically with articles whose content relates to several religious traditions. Any editors interested in joining such a group would be more than welcome to indicate their interest there. [[User:Warlordjohncarter|John Carter]] 15:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC) |
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==Good Articles== |
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It is sad that we do not have any good articles yet. I have added a chart so we can track the ratings of our articles. We must do better. [[User:J. Ponder|Idioma]] 22:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Scope of Project? == |
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It might really help a newbie like me to know exactly which articles are considered within the scope of the project. I added a redundant statement of the category to the project page, but would like to have someone else review the category to see if there are any articles within the category that they do not think fall within the scope of the project. [[User:Warlordjohncarter|John Carter]] 23:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*P.S. Please feel free to take part in the discussion of the scope of the [[:Category:Charismatic and Pentecostal Christianity]] regarding the comments contained in the category page itself. I think it would help to have more input in this matter. [[User:Warlordjohncarter|John Carter]] 01:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== What "stories" of the Bible merit separate articles? == |
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There has recently been some discussion regarding which "stories" or portions of the Bible merit having their own articles. For the purposes of centralized discussion, please make any comments at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bible#What should have separate articles?]]. Thank you. [[User:Warlordjohncarter|John Carter]] 13:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== [[Revivalism]] == |
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This article has been tagged as one thsi project is interested in. I would just offer a word of caution: several branches of evangelical Christianity look back to roots in various revivals; indeed some that are no longer theologically evangelical. I merely ask for care that this project should not appripriate to itself a subject that is rahter broader. I write this as a charismatic. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] 21:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC) |
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== "Neo-Pentecostalism" == |
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What is the exact definition and place of [[Neo-Pentecostalism]] within the broader movement? Should we have an article on it—or should it be a redirect to another article where it's definition would be more appropriately described? Thanks.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 22:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC) |
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== [[Demonology]] ? == |
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Not only has this article been tagged with the charismatic Christianity banner, it also has been categorized into [[:Category:Charismatic and Pentecostal Christianity]]. I am going to challenge the latter issue, however, what articles a WikiProject wants to adopt should be left to its participants exclusively. But it looks awkward. __[[User:Meco|meco]] 07:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:I don't think it is a topic this project would be particularly interested in. [[Christian demonology]] is more in this project's line of interest. Though even that one as written has essentially nothing to do with charismatic christianity, it is the appropriate place for recording charismatic christianity's point of view on demonology, rather than the main article. I'm going to pull the project banner from [[demonology]]. [[User:GRBerry|GRBerry]] 14:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC) |
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== Regarding project banner == |
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I have noted how several articles relevant to Christianity have only the banner of more focused projects, several Christianity banners, or no banners at all on the talk pages. This makes it rather difficult for the Christianity WikiProject to keep track of all articles, as well as potentially reducing the number of editors who might be willing to work on the article, if only the more focused banner is in place. If I were to adjust the existing {{tl|ChristianityWikiProject}} to include separate individual assessment information for each relevant Christianity project, and display the projects which deal with it, like perhaps the {{tl|WikiProject Australia}} does, would the members of this project object to having that banner ulimately used in place of this project's one? It might help reduce the banner clutter, as well. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 18:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC) |
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== Coordinators for the Christianity projects == |
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I have recently started a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity#Coordinators?]] regarding the possibility of the various Christianity projects somewhat integrating, in the style of the [[WP:MILHIST|Military history]] project, for the purposes of providing better coordination of project activities. Any parties interested in the idea, or perhaps willing to offer their services as one of the potential coordinators, is more than welcome to make any comments there. Thank you. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 20:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== Coordinator? == |
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It has probably been noticed by most of the editors who frequent this page that there is often a pronounced degree of overlap between the various projects relating to Christianity. Given that overlap, and the rather large amount of content we have related to the subject of Christianity, it has been proposed that the various Christianity projects select a group of coordinators who would help ensure the cooperation of the various projects as well as help manage some project related activities, such as review, assessment, portal management, and the like. Preferably, we would like to consider the possibility of having one party from each of the major Christianity projects included, given the degree of specialization which some of the articles contain. We now are accepting nominations for the coordinators positions at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators/Election 1]]. Any parties interested in helping performing some of the management duties of the various Christianity projects is encouraged to nominate themselves there. Thank you. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 17:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Much to my surprise, the period for the factual elections of the new coordinators has started a bit earlier than I expected. For what it's worth, as the "instigator" of the proposed coordinators, the purpose of having them is not to try to impose any sort of "discipline" on the various projects relating to Christianity, but just to ensure that things like assessment, peer review, portal maintainance, and other similar directly project-related functions get peformed for all the various projects relating to Christianity. If there are any individuals with this project who are already doing such activities for the project, and who want to take on the role more formally, I think nominations are being held open until the end of the elections themselves. And, for the purposes of this election, any member in good standing of any of the Christianity projects can either be nominated or express their votes at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators/Election 1]]. Thank you for your attention. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 00:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== [[Reformed charismatic]] == |
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This article is currently a redirect to a church that takes this theological position. I would welcome a proper article on this approach. It seems to have grown in prominence in recent years. (I've posted this to [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Christianity]] but thought I should put it here as well). [[User:Sidefall|Sidefall]] ([[User talk:Sidefall|talk]]) 21:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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== [[Lakeland revival]] == |
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The article [[Lakeland revival]] documents a current event, and is being extensively edited by IP editors, who are verging on edit warring over the content. Could some more experienced editors from this project please add it to their watchlist and try to lend a hand? [[User:GRBerry|GRBerry]] 14:22, 20 June 2008 (UTC) |
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==Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme== |
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As you [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-06-23/Dispatches|may have heard]], we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment|WP:ASSESS]]. |
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*The '''new C-Class''' represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class. |
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*The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment/B-Class_criteria|a rubric]], and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects. |
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*A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment/A-Class_criteria|described here]]. |
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Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at [[:Category:C-Class_articles]]. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index|The bot]] is already finding and listing C-Class articles. |
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Please [[Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment#WikiProject_responses|leave a message]] with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team|1.0 Editorial Team]], <font color="green">[[User:ShepBot|'''§hepBot''']]</font>''' <small>(<font color="red">[[User talk:ShepBot|Disable]]</font>)'''</small> 22:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== [[Simple English Wikipedia]] == |
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The editors of the Simple English Wikipedia could use some help with Scientology related articles. Right now, the only content contained they have which I've found which is relevant to this group are a very few articles, including: [[:simple:Born again Christianity|Born again Christianity]]; [[:simple:James Dobson|James Dobson]]; [[:simple:Pentecostalism|Pentecostalism]]; [[:simple:Rick Warren|Rick Warren]]; [[:simple:True Jesus Church|True Jesus Church]]; and [[:simple:William Wilberforce|William Wilberforce]]; Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me, [[User:American Eagle]], or [[User:Eptalon]]. Thank you. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 00:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Robert L. Hymers, Jr. == |
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I hope this is an appropriate place to note that there is a problem. |
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There is a dispute going on here: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Hymers |
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The thrust of it has to do with a young man who is saddled with his father's name, and would therefore like to see his father's Wikipedia entry trimmed back or deleted. The other side believes that it's important that those who get involved in R.L. Hymers' churches understand that he has been accused of (1) some doctrinal error, and (2) church practices that border on the abusive (even "cultish," some claim), and that he has a history of violence. |
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My intent is not to defame or libel anyone, but simply to warn those who might be vulnerable that Hymers's churches are, indeed, abusive, and that those who are under stress should not look for salvation by joining his fold. I certainly don't want to violate the neutral point of view, but for those who are seeking Christ it is important that people understand that Hymers is, at best, a controversial figure. Can someone adjudicate this for us? |
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Reviving this project
[edit]Hello everyone, I am reviving this project since it has been dormant for about a year. Keep an eye out for updates on the to do lists, etc. and add yourself as a member if you want to help out. Callsignpink (talk) 13:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
We've made some good strides on the Toronto Blessing article and I will be nominating it for Good Article status in the next few days after a bit more rudimentary cleanup. Thanks to all who helped! DoctorG (talk) 23:08, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Archived old talk content
[edit]I archived the old talk page content since it was several years old. You can find it using the archive links.Callsignpink (talk) 21:51, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Toronto Blessing
[edit]My focus right now is on getting the Toronto Blessing article up to GA quality since so many o today's charismatic leaders spent time at TACF during the early parts of this revival. I'm hoping to link out to other BLP's of Bill Johnson, etc. from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DoctorG (talk) 23:07, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Major Impacts
[edit]I'm looking for any major impacts that have occurred (good or bad) as a result of the Toronto Blessing. My current line of thought is to look at IRIS ministries, Global Awakening, and a few others to show worldwide impact. If you have any ideas please add them in. DoctorG (talk) 23:06, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!
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Attention given to one of your articles
[edit]In seeking a wikilink to the title concept of Signs and wonders I turned to that article, and found it a morass of non-encyclopedic content.
So bad was it, in form and substance, that unsympathetic editors had inserted pseudo-citations—to P.G. Wodehouse, Peter Jackson and The Hobbitt. and to Richard Dawkins, and no one had noticed the vandalism!
I have made bold, hard edits, in support of this continuing as an article—it had been tagged as potentially non-notable—and after doing so, I have removed the edit questioning the notability of the concept (which may also have been a subtle act of further vandalism), because there is no question of a need for an article on this oft-mentioned expression and concept.
However, the notion of that article continuing as a place where people edit and add information without sources—that "progress" is, I hope, forever ended.
Likewise, I have removed all the pseudo scholarship, of listing books as a component of article content (rather than making clear what the contributions were, from those books).
Books have points, and if they are important, scholars extract those points and present them. It is only in the well informed, and casual conversation, that scholars might way, "Well, there is always Sarles in '88." to which another might reply, "Well of course, but he was answered by Bond in '90." But this is not encyclopedic writing, and could not be left to stand here: Mentions of authors and titles is pseudo-scholarship, and is not, in any case, encyclopedic content.
FInally, one paragraph I lost hope and patience for, and simply moved to the Talk section. Please, feel free and move it back, but not before:
- you remove the comparable pseudo-scholarship,
- you source all material being returned,
- you remove any content not worth the time to forensically research and source, and/or
- you add additional, better summaries of more contemporary, scholarly, and thorough sources.
For as you can see in the tag, the article is still in awful shape, and needs work. But if you are not going to bother to bring the sort of effort that you would put forth for a graded senior undergraduate or graduate seminary paper—please, do not bother. The poor work is already there, and does not need more added.
Cheers, Le Prof. (Feel free and look in on who I am, and my priorities here.) Leprof 7272 (talk) 06:22, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Issues with obscure links on TP:Daniel S. Warner!
[edit]Hi! Don't know how to fix this one: On the TP:Daniel S. Warner there are lots of links to a dubious site all over the page, namely
http://www.dswarnerlibrary.com
.
Maybe this site is hacked, hijacked or simply obsolete. It is in chinese characters(!), and perhaps may even be malicious... Would please someone look into it. - Thank you --89.15.236.195 (talk) 02:51, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
- I removed all the links, but the article as a whole needs some legitimate references. DoctorG (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
RFC: is faith healing a pseudoscience
[edit]An Request For Comments is asking whether faith healing should be categorised as a pseudoscience. Good arguments have been made by both sides, which you of course can consider before casting a vote, if interested.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 03:17, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Ichthus May 2018 is available
[edit]- Project News: An admin is admonished
- Achievements: Ralph Abernathy promoted
- Featured article: Missionaries in the rainforest
- Did You Know: Ioan C. Filitti sentenced to death
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WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
[edit]The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.
Portals are being redesigned.
The new design features are being applied to existing portals.
At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.
The discussion about this can be found here.
Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.
Background
[edit]On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.
Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.
So far, 84 editors have joined.
If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.
If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.
Thank you. — The Transhumanist 10:54, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Ichthus June 2018 is out now!
[edit]- Project News: Is Genesis History? See the RFC.
- Did You Know: Phineas Hodson’s wife dies
- Featured article: Jewish boy causes fall of Roman Catholic Papal States?
- * Read this Ichthus in full * Get Ichthus delivered to your Talkpage * – Lionel(talk) 04:03, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Ichthus July 2018 is out now!
[edit]- The Top 7 Report: The big news was the marriage of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle
- Did You Know: Sun of Unclouded Righteousness
- Our newest Featured list: List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events
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Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
[edit]Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.
We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Wayman Mitchell AfD 3-25-2020
[edit]Feel free to vote at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Wayman_Mitchell.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 18:10, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
RfC on ecclesiastical titles
[edit]There is a proposal for a new subsection on ecclesiastical titles being conducted at MOS:BIO. Interested editors are encouraged to participate. --Slugger O'Toole (talk) 02:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
User script to detect unreliable sources
[edit]I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)
and turns it into something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Two articles for deletion - Nigerian Pentecostalism articles
[edit]Please see these two articles and share your opinions on notability:
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gospel Light International Ministries
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Felix Omobude
- Felix Omobude is the General Superintendent of Gospel Light International Ministries
Thanks,
--A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 17:05, 5 August 2023 (UTC)