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== Is Torchwood back in 2020 ==


Could you give absolute confirmation that Torchwood will return to our screens in 2020? [[User:DoctorWhoEditor2|DoctorWhoEditor2]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoEditor2|talk]]) 18:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
== Martha not in Series 3 ==

Freema Agyeman will not reprise her role as Martha Jones in Series 3 of Torchwood because she is working on a UK version of Law and Order for ITV.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article1467855.ece

Should this be mentioned? [[User:Sama4|Sama4]] ([[User talk:Sama4|talk]]) 13:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:I would say no, as she never was part of the cast. People kept adding rumors about her being in series 3, but we never had any reliable source for those to begin with. So mentioning that some character which was never announced to be in series 3 will in fact really not be in there is not something we need to include. But good idea to think about it and even better that you did not just add it but sought discussion first! You are welcome to work with us on [[WP:DW|The Doctor Who WikiProject]] to improve Doctor Who related articles. Have a nice day! :-) '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]]#[[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #1F3F53">Why</span>]]''' 13:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


::It's good evidence that will hopefully stop those adding her in to the article. Thanks! [[User:Tphi|Tphi]] ([[User talk:Tphi|talk]]) 17:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

::: Ok well thanks! =) [[User:Sama4|Sama4]] ([[User talk:Sama4|talk]]) 11:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

== Cast list ==

Should Burn Gorman and Naoko Mori be removed from the cast list now that the radio play has been on? The official BBC website has been updated to only show Jack, Gwen and Ianto on the front page now [[User:Tescomarc|Tescomarc]] ([[User talk:Tescomarc|talk]]) 17:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:No. [[WP:MOS#FICTION]] shows how we write about fictional characters. --[[User:Rodhullandemu|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000FF">Rodhull</span>]][[User_talk:Rodhullandemu|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#FF0000">andemu</span>]] 18:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


== AUS DVD dates ==
Is there a set date for when the series 2 will come out in this little/big island/continent I don't think it says the day in the article. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/124.177.4.241|124.177.4.241]] ([[User talk:124.177.4.241|talk]]) 12:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== On the matter of soundtrack(s) ==

I notice we've mentioned there being an official soundtrack for the show, (and created and linked to the full wikipedia article about it). Would it be worth mentioning as well the prior existence of an UNofficial Torchwood soundtrack? The unofficial soundtrack, which was created and released by fans to bit torrent, consisted mainly of songs (primarily rock, some old-style big-band music, and stuff) that were playing in the background during various first-season episodes. Say, a character walks into a bar, and this music is playing in the bar, and because of that the same song is added to the unofficial soundtrack. (I'd link here to the appropriate page at thepiratebay.org but I don't know if that'd be appropriate.) --[[User:Nomad Of Norad|Nomad Of Norad]] ([[User talk:Nomad Of Norad|talk]]) 18:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:If it's unofficial then it's not notable enough unless it's widespread in the media, and since it isn't then it isn't worth noting on Wikipedia at all. [[User:Jammy0002|Jammy]] ([[User talk:Jammy0002|talk]]) 18:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::(edit conflict) Not only that, but any unofficial soundtrack clearly violated copyright laws, and we definitely don't encourage that on Wikipedia. [[User talk:Islander|<sub><font color="DarkGray">'''Talk'''</font></sub>]][[User:Islander|<font color="Blue">'''Islander'''</font>]] 18:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Action figure line ==
Why is the official action figure line considered "not notable" among a list including every single other piece of spin-off merchandise (books, audio books, radio plays, magazines, comic strips, downloads, etc. ) out there? What is the criterion in deciding which official merchandise is notable and which non-notable? No justification has been given as to why this one line of merchandise should be singled out for exclusion. The Doctor Who page includes the DW action figure line (I have checked a few other Wiki pages for TV shows and movies with action figure lines and can't find one where they are not included).

Please explain why the official BBC-licensed creator and the official BBC.co.uk website are considered not good sources. The sources clearly show the line exists and is official. What kind of sources are needed? These are popular action figures you can buy in a million shops, what about them is so dubious? Every other piece of merchandise listed on this page is either uncited or has only the seller listed as source (e.g. a link to the iTunes site mainpage with nothing mentioning Torchwood). [[User:Queer Scout|Queer Scout]] ([[User talk:Queer Scout|talk]]) 03:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:The action figure line is of particular note as they were not originally introduced because making toys would be linking the adult-themed show to children's toys. The figures were only introduced after the pre-watershed cut versions were made. (Not having a great day at stringing sentences together, so not quite sure I've made sense there.) [[User:PoisonedPigeon|PoisonedPigeon]] ([[User talk:PoisonedPigeon|talk]]) 13:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:They have no notability because they have no coverage independent media. Doctor Who has at least 40 years of history (but that page also needs sourcing). All the information the paragraph tells us is that there are action figures; nothing more. This is non-information, and with only sellers as sources, it breaks [[WP:SPAM]]. Therefor removed. <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — [[User:Edokter|<span style="color: #008;"><b><i>E</i>dokter</b></span>]] • [[User_talk:Edokter|<span style="color: #080;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 14:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

::That gives no explanation as to why you have decided the action figure line is singled out to be "non notable" when Wiki precedent shows action figure lines are notable merchandise. As already pointed out, none of the merchandise is cited to an independent source, and much of it is not cited at all. There is no coverage in independent media for the other merchandise (for example the soundtrack has its own page which contains no sources and no information except that a soundtrack exists, and a description of it). I fail to see how you can have an non-sourced, extensive merchandise section and then claim mentioning the existence of merchandise is spam. Mentioning that a TV show has spin off merchandise is not spam. [[User:Queer Scout|Queer Scout]] ([[User talk:Queer Scout|talk]]) 19:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:::You're right; other pages do mention action figures without sources, and maybe they should be removed as well. However, that has no bearing here; [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] precludes any such arguments. The reason I called it spam is becuase the links all point to the seller's site and other online shops. These cannot be considered as sources.
:::Mention of the action figures may be OK, but it does not deserve it's own section. Porbably best is to include mention in [[Doctor Who merchandise]]. <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — [[User:Edokter|<span style="color: #008;"><b><i>E</i>dokter</b></span>]] • [[User_talk:Edokter|<span style="color: #080;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 22:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

::::And yet you continue to ignore requests from multiple editors to explain why you have singled out one line of merchandise from all the rest as non notable and spam, and why you claim the action figure line requires such incredibly stringent sources (I do not believe the BBC is an unacceptable source for a BBC show and that anyone could genuinely consider the BBC's own website to be "spam" -- what does that make all the links to iTunes, Titan Publishers and SilvaScreen?) when all the other merchandise listed is either uncited or has only a online shop as source. We are talking about one single well-sourced sentence in a section about merchandise; the very existence of a "Torchwood Merchandise" section invalidates the claim that merchandise is non-notable and that mentioning merchandise is spam. [[User:Queer Scout|Queer Scout]] ([[User talk:Queer Scout|talk]]) 04:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::Even the [[Doctor Who]] article does not have a section about action figures. Instead it is mentioned in it's onw article, to which I added a link. Place the information there. <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — [[User:Edokter|<span style="color: #008;"><b><i>E</i>dokter</b></span>]] • [[User_talk:Edokter|<span style="color: #080;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 15:10, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

::I have no real investment in either including or excluding the information, but could you please explain why it's [[WP:SPAM]] to mention the action figures, yet the same apparently doesn't apply to the soundtrack, magazine, novels or audiobooks, despite the only references there also being to the retailers? [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 17:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Broadcast picture format ==

The articles says it is originated as 1080p HDTV. I would like to see a citation for this because I have reason to believe it is originated as 1080i HDTV (to the best of my knowledge the BBC HD channel is exclusively 1080i/25), though I haven't changed the article because I have no concrete proof. [[Special:Contributions/83.104.249.240|83.104.249.240]] ([[User talk:83.104.249.240|talk]]) 04:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:It is shot in 1080p, but transmitted as 1080i. <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — [[User:Edokter|<span style="color: #008;"><b><i>E</i>dokter</b></span>]] • [[User_talk:Edokter|<span style="color: #080;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 23:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::Can you cite a reference for that, please? [[Special:Contributions/83.104.249.240|83.104.249.240]] ([[User talk:83.104.249.240|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::No I can't... Simple observation is sufficient to see that it is shot in 25p. HD Broadcast are almost always transmitted in 25i, as it can accomodate both 25p and 25i material. Sending a 25p signal through a 25i broadcast doesn't change anything in the picture; it merely means that a single frame is sent using two interlaced fields. <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — [[User:Edokter|<span style="color: #008;"><b><i>E</i>dokter</b></span>]] • [[User_talk:Edokter|<span style="color: #080;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 21:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::He's correct, just in case anyone was wondering. I have yet to see anything stating that the HD content is broadcast in anything other than 1080i. It's not a resolution change, just a signal change. --[[User:Human.v2.0|Human.v2.0]] ([[User talk:Human.v2.0|talk]]) 01:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

==Torchwood series 3: Children of Earth==
[[Children of Earth]] has its own article (qv!). --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|TS]] 23:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


== Chibnall as showrunner? ==
It should probably be worth noting that it was originally slotted to come back with two seasons, then overshot it's deadline for release, then turned to one season per BBC, now is a five episode mini series.


@[[User:TheDoctorWho|TheDoctorWho]] I'm not convinced we should be listing Chibnall as a showrunner for Torchwood, on the basis of a single outlying passing mention that describes him as such. The first line of [[showrunner]] suggests that a showrunner must be an executive producer, which I think holds true given commonly understood production aspect of the position. Hence Chibnall being far more commonly described as "head writer" for the first two series. I've not seen any substantial indication that he ran the day-to-day production, and the article prose doesn't indicate that either. [[User:U-Mos|U-Mos]] ([[User talk:U-Mos|talk]]) 07:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
IMHO one of BBC's best up and coming long term serials is turning into vaporware. [[Special:Contributions/122.107.25.23|122.107.25.23]] ([[User talk:122.107.25.23|talk]]) 03:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


:I wouldn't say there's an excess of sources crediting him as such, but there are a few others. [https://www.gamesradar.com/camelote28099s-merlin-has-a-major-makeover/ This GamesRadar+ source] for example. [https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-torchwood-return/ Barrowman also refers to him as such in this quote that Radio Times has]. I can't personally speak for the executive producer credit. While I know that IMDb isn't a reliable source, and I would need to actually verify he's credited as such, [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1163823/ he does appear to be listed as a co-producer] for the first two series, which means he did serve in some sort of producer-related capacity. Similar to your reference of Wikipedia's page on showrunners, I'll also point out that the [[head writer]] article states "{{tq|In fictional comedy or drama TV shows, this is generally performed by an executive producer, who is usually also the showrunner}}" (emphasis on the term ''generally'' which provides room for exceptions). [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 07:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Since Series 3:COE is confirmed and will be airing at some point this year should we include it in the no. of series and no. of episodes? I mean it hasn't been aired yet but it has it's own wiki page and is fully confirmed and in post-production so should we add it and it's episodes to the tally?--[[User:CharlotteMarshall|CharlotteMarshall]] ([[User talk:CharlotteMarshall|talk]]) 10:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, in that case I think it would be appropriate to have a footnote that includes all these sources, with wording such as "Some sources refer to Chibnall as a showrunner of the first two series due to his [[head writer]] role". I also think Davies should be listed above him, as he'd also be showrunner of the first two series and more indisputably so. [[User:U-Mos|U-Mos]] ([[User talk:U-Mos|talk]]) 08:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:::I have no objections to that. It's early morning for me, and I'm currently replying on my phone, so I'll make the changes tommorow evening when I have my laptop unless you want to beat me to it. [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 08:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::::All done. [[User:U-Mos|U-Mos]] ([[User talk:U-Mos|talk]]) 10:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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Is Torchwood back in 2020

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Could you give absolute confirmation that Torchwood will return to our screens in 2020? DoctorWhoEditor2 (talk) 18:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chibnall as showrunner?

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@TheDoctorWho I'm not convinced we should be listing Chibnall as a showrunner for Torchwood, on the basis of a single outlying passing mention that describes him as such. The first line of showrunner suggests that a showrunner must be an executive producer, which I think holds true given commonly understood production aspect of the position. Hence Chibnall being far more commonly described as "head writer" for the first two series. I've not seen any substantial indication that he ran the day-to-day production, and the article prose doesn't indicate that either. U-Mos (talk) 07:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say there's an excess of sources crediting him as such, but there are a few others. This GamesRadar+ source for example. Barrowman also refers to him as such in this quote that Radio Times has. I can't personally speak for the executive producer credit. While I know that IMDb isn't a reliable source, and I would need to actually verify he's credited as such, he does appear to be listed as a co-producer for the first two series, which means he did serve in some sort of producer-related capacity. Similar to your reference of Wikipedia's page on showrunners, I'll also point out that the head writer article states "In fictional comedy or drama TV shows, this is generally performed by an executive producer, who is usually also the showrunner" (emphasis on the term generally which provides room for exceptions). TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, in that case I think it would be appropriate to have a footnote that includes all these sources, with wording such as "Some sources refer to Chibnall as a showrunner of the first two series due to his head writer role". I also think Davies should be listed above him, as he'd also be showrunner of the first two series and more indisputably so. U-Mos (talk) 08:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objections to that. It's early morning for me, and I'm currently replying on my phone, so I'll make the changes tommorow evening when I have my laptop unless you want to beat me to it. TheDoctorWho (talk) 08:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All done. U-Mos (talk) 10:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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