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Is Torchwood back in 2020

Could you give absolute confirmation that Torchwood will return to our screens in 2020? DoctorWhoEditor2 (talk) 18:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chibnall as showrunner?

@TheDoctorWho I'm not convinced we should be listing Chibnall as a showrunner for Torchwood, on the basis of a single outlying passing mention that describes him as such. The first line of showrunner suggests that a showrunner must be an executive producer, which I think holds true given commonly understood production aspect of the position. Hence Chibnall being far more commonly described as "head writer" for the first two series. I've not seen any substantial indication that he ran the day-to-day production, and the article prose doesn't indicate that either. U-Mos (talk) 07:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say there's an excess of sources crediting him as such, but there are a few others. This GamesRadar+ source for example. Barrowman also refers to him as such in this quote that Radio Times has. I can't personally speak for the executive producer credit. While I know that IMDb isn't a reliable source, and I would need to actually verify he's credited as such, he does appear to be listed as a co-producer for the first two series, which means he did serve in some sort of producer-related capacity. Similar to your reference of Wikipedia's page on showrunners, I'll also point out that the head writer article states "In fictional comedy or drama TV shows, this is generally performed by an executive producer, who is usually also the showrunner" (emphasis on the term generally which provides room for exceptions). TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, in that case I think it would be appropriate to have a footnote that includes all these sources, with wording such as "Some sources refer to Chibnall as a showrunner of the first two series due to his head writer role". I also think Davies should be listed above him, as he'd also be showrunner of the first two series and more indisputably so. U-Mos (talk) 08:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objections to that. It's early morning for me, and I'm currently replying on my phone, so I'll make the changes tommorow evening when I have my laptop unless you want to beat me to it. TheDoctorWho (talk) 08:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All done. U-Mos (talk) 10:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Suzie Costello ==
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-I find it pretty weird that a main cast member is left out of this article, Indira Varma as Suzie Costello. I tried to put her in but the edits are not sticking so I would not be able to rate this as a good article.
-[[Special:Contributions/67.206.162.48|67.206.162.48]] ([[User talk:67.206.162.48|talk]]) 20:54, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
-:Late answer, but her presentation as part of the main cast in episode 1 was meant to hide the fact she was killed off in the same episode; she was effectively a recurring character only appearing during her temporary resurrection or a brief flashback after that. [[User:ZarhanFastfire|ZarhanFastfire]] ([[User talk:ZarhanFastfire|talk]]) 07:12, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
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-I added the article to this category because co-productions are allowed, and of course the Miracle Day season was a co-production with Starz and primarily filmed in the US. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.52.234|68.146.52.234]] ([[User talk:68.146.52.234|talk]]) 14:42, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
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+Could you give absolute confirmation that Torchwood will return to our screens in 2020? [[User:DoctorWhoEditor2|DoctorWhoEditor2]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoEditor2|talk]]) 18:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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+@[[User:TheDoctorWho|TheDoctorWho]] I'm not convinced we should be listing Chibnall as a showrunner for Torchwood, on the basis of a single outlying passing mention that describes him as such. The first line of [[showrunner]] suggests that a showrunner must be an executive producer, which I think holds true given commonly understood production aspect of the position. Hence Chibnall being far more commonly described as "head writer" for the first two series. I've not seen any substantial indication that he ran the day-to-day production, and the article prose doesn't indicate that either. [[User:U-Mos|U-Mos]] ([[User talk:U-Mos|talk]]) 07:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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+:I wouldn't say there's an excess of sources crediting him as such, but there are a few others. [https://www.gamesradar.com/camelote28099s-merlin-has-a-major-makeover/ This GamesRadar+ source] for example. [https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-torchwood-return/ Barrowman also refers to him as such in this quote that Radio Times has]. I can't personally speak for the executive producer credit. While I know that IMDb isn't a reliable source, and I would need to actually verify he's credited as such, [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1163823/ he does appear to be listed as a co-producer] for the first two series, which means he did serve in some sort of producer-related capacity. Similar to your reference of Wikipedia's page on showrunners, I'll also point out that the [[head writer]] article states "{{tq|In fictional comedy or drama TV shows, this is generally performed by an executive producer, who is usually also the showrunner}}" (emphasis on the term ''generally'' which provides room for exceptions). [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 07:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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+::Okay, in that case I think it would be appropriate to have a footnote that includes all these sources, with wording such as "Some sources refer to Chibnall as a showrunner of the first two series due to his [[head writer]] role". I also think Davies should be listed above him, as he'd also be showrunner of the first two series and more indisputably so. [[User:U-Mos|U-Mos]] ([[User talk:U-Mos|talk]]) 08:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
+:::I have no objections to that. It's early morning for me, and I'm currently replying on my phone, so I'll make the changes tommorow evening when I have my laptop unless you want to beat me to it. [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 08:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
+::::All done. [[User:U-Mos|U-Mos]] ([[User talk:U-Mos|talk]]) 10:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)