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== How to live till 100 == |
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About health advice from (super)centenarians: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/24/health/long-life-advice-centenarian-partner-content-wellness/index.html --[[User:Randykitty|Randykitty]] ([[User talk:Randykitty|talk]]) 09:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Adding LongeviQuest to the project page == |
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However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{tl|WPBannerMeta}} a new {{para|QUALITY_CRITERIA|custom}} parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. [[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]] ([[User talk:Aymatth2|talk]]) 13:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC) |
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Would someone more involved with this WikiProject please add a statement about the reliability of |
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== Marie Brémont and Wwew345t == |
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{{url|https://longeviquest.com}} & {{tq|https://lq1.wpengine.com}} to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Longevity#Databases]] section? [[User:Peaceray|Peaceray]] ([[User talk:Peaceray|talk]]) 16:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Food for thought ... == |
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After being merged into [[List of French supercentenarians]], I noticed that {{u|Wwew345t|this user}} has unilaterally removed the redirect which retained consensus for five years (and IMO was a good merge), then reverting a restoration of the redirect by {{u|Sam Sailor}}. A look at the user's contributions, at [[Special:Contributions/Wwew345t]] shows that they are new, with less than 100 edits, and have done the same thing on many other longevity redirects, reverting editors such as {{u|Technopat}}, {{u|Devonian Wombat}}, and {{u|DerbyCountyinNZ}}, and even having gotten blocked for edit-warring by {{u|Ponyo}}, although disruptive behavior continues since the block expires. {{u|Ponyo}}, perhaps an indef is in order. [[Special:Contributions/Chicdat|🐔]] [[User:Chicdat|Chicdat]] ''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User talk:Chicdat|Bawk to me!]]</sup>'' 10:21, 22 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::Wwew345t's return to edit warring right after their block expired is, well, less than ideal, but it seems to have stopped now. Try to hammer out some sort of consensus on the redirects on the relevant talk pages if possible.-- [[User:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">'''Ponyo'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span>]]</sup> 18:25, 25 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I havent reverted any pages that have had a afd but I would like to know how I can try to restore a page that did [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 18:27, 25 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:Their familiarity with Wiki terminology suggests they have had previous user profiles. Possibly a sockpuppet of a blocked user. [[User:DerbyCountyinNZ|<span style="background:orange; color:blue">DerbyCountyinNZ</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:DerbyCountyinNZ|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/DerbyCountyinNZ|Contribs]])</sup> 10:36, 22 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::there are some pages deleted in 2018 that can be expanded to look better with more sources and some new pages that could be added my intention only is to expand the topic of longevity here because there is a severe lack of info [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 13:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:Longevity biographies are usually deleted because they fail [[WP:BIO1E]], [[WP:NOPAGE]] and/or [[WP:ANYBIO]]. In the past such bios were padded with longevity fanfluff including [[WP:OR]], [[WP:SYNTH]] and [[WP:TRIVIA]]. The deleted bios do not increase in notability over time, in fact quite the opposite. Removing a redirect to resurrect such an article without addressing the relevant guidelines is, at the least, not constructive. [[User:DerbyCountyinNZ|<span style="background:orange; color:blue">DerbyCountyinNZ</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:DerbyCountyinNZ|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/DerbyCountyinNZ|Contribs]])</sup> 07:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::While in some cases it would make sense there should atleast be pages for every person who held the title "worlds oldest person" if that's not notable enough for a article then nothing in the topic is there are serval supercentenarians that get way more coverage then 80% of the athletes that have pages here I'm sure if you looked you would see that for yourself [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 14:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Take for instance misao okawa who was worlds oldest person for almost two years the oldest Japanese person ever at the time of her death and in the top ten oldest people ever if you looked her up youd see she got significant coverage about her by multiple news sources yet her article got deleted without so much as a consideration there are many more instances of this where a supercenarian article seems to have been dogpiled by 4 editors (who dont even edit in the topic anymore) without a glance with some of the basis being "just because your the oldest person alive it doesnt matter" "so what if they were it isnt notable" occasionally they would atleast attempt to give a reason that makes a little sense but more often then not it was just 4 users teaming up to get rid of articles in a topic and not caring otherwise [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 14:36, 26 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::They were even called out for such behavior when it was happening by some administrators and I know you are probably going "why does he care? He is probably a sock of the grg" I dont like the grg wont delve into why but let's just say they havent been acting very mature lately on another platform but anyway I cant believe uts taken 5 years for anyone to adress what happned in this topic and that's sad [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 14:42, 26 July 2023 (UTC) |
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{{od}} And now the user is doing [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maude_Farris-Luse&diff=prev&oldid=1168458199 the] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Marie_Br%C3%A9mont&diff=prev&oldid=1168458252 exact] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ethel_Lang_(supercentenarian)&diff=prev&oldid=1168458358 same] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Longevity&diff=prev&oldid=1168458913 thing]. The amount of [[WP:IDHT|IDHT]] is astounding here. [[Special:Contributions/Chicdat|🐔]] [[User:Chicdat|Chicdat]] ''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User talk:Chicdat|Bawk to me!]]</sup>'' 14:57, 4 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*{{cite web |last=Newman |first=Saul Justin |title=‘The data on extreme human ageing is rotten from the inside out’ – Ig Nobel winner Saul Justin Newman |website=The Conversation |date=2024-09-13 |url=https://theconversation.com/the-data-on-extreme-human-ageing-is-rotten-from-the-inside-out-ig-nobel-winner-saul-justin-newman-239023 |access-date=2024-09-16}} |
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:i fail to see this point as there was no consensus on the pages [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 17:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC) |
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[[User:Peaceray|Peaceray]] ([[User talk:Peaceray|talk]]) 20:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Worlds oldest living person == |
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::The only food for thought hs is the sad fact that people will make outrageous claims just for attention just like those Russian conspiracy theorists who made that ridiculous claim about Jeanne calment [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 14:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Longeviquest == |
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i think everyone who has had this title should at least have a page misao okawa had significant coverage from lots of news sources [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 21:38, 2 August 2023 (UTC) |
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Since the grg has a page shouldn't we make one for longeviquest as well? Since they are also a research group and has also been cited in the media [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 15:39, 27 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:First of all, writing in E. E. Cummings style is unhelpful for communication. Secondly, on what basis do you disagree with the outcome of that AfD? [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] ([[User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights#top|<span style="font-family: MS Mincho; color: black;">話して下さい</span>]]) 01:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::Well most of your afds were based on "just because your old you arent notable" while that makes sense for serval articles misao okawa was the oldest living person for almost 2 years and got significant coverage by the media for it most of the other recent worlds oldest people titleholders have pages including mrs okawas two of mrs okaws immediate successors (Susannah myshatt jones and Jerlean talley) [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 14:03, 25 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Just because someone kept breathing doesn't mean anyone cared. Where are the sources about Okawa that provide any meaningful coverage of her life? All we could find were things basically saying "she still has a pulse", and then when she died say "she had a pulse and now doesn't". If there's something more in-depth I'd be happy to see it, despite my signature I don't speak any meaningful amount of Japanese so I know I'm starting from behind. Give us some links. And I'm also a bit leery of calling then "title holders" and similar, for reasons someone laid [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)&diff=prev&oldid=421533931 here] many years ago. [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] ([[User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights#top|<span style="font-family: MS Mincho; color: black;">話して下さい</span>]]) 14:20, 25 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::::"So what if she lived long who cares?" That's a terrible argument all you have to do is search her up and you'll see tons of corvgare of her death and recongization as worlds oldest person clearly people care about longevity otherwise it woudlnt be picked up by lots of news soruces just because you don't care doesnt mean no one else does [[Special:Contributions/2603:7080:393C:DD00:FC0A:37CE:7105:C53F|2603:7080:393C:DD00:FC0A:37CE:7105:C53F]] ([[User talk:2603:7080:393C:DD00:FC0A:37CE:7105:C53F|talk]]) 17:29, 25 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::Didnt realize I got logged out but I look back at t he se adds and I see the same 4 people on them seems like you dogpiled on longevity arcitles with other editors and you've gotten called out on that serval times it seems when you were doing that [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 17:31, 25 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::If you even bother to do a standard Google search youd see that there are more then 10 pages of news sources covering her the argument that "longevity does not equal notability" is a opinion at best and should not have even been considered as actual reason for deletion [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 17:37, 25 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::So post a few of those links here, then we can assess them. [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] ([[User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights#top|<span style="font-family: MS Mincho; color: black;">話して下さい</span>]]) 18:04, 25 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::Here are a few for Misao: |
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::::::::1. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32142212 BBC], 2. [https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/04/01/396770154/world-s-oldest-person-dies-at-age-117 NPR], 3.[https://www.livescience.com/50340-worlds-oldest-woman-died.html Live Science] (less well known, but rated Green by newsguard according to wikipedia), 4. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/05/life-short-worlds-oldest-person-misao-okawa-117 The Guardian], 5. [https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-JRTB-19631 WSJ] [[User:EytanMelech|EytanMelech]] ([[User talk:EytanMelech|talk]]) 23:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::exactly this page was just many of a well intentioned but extremely misguided "clean up" done a few years back but instead of cleaing the category up all it achieved was the almost complete annihilation of the topic via flooding the loga with AFDS in which the same 3 people rehashed the same argument again and again withought bothering to even look if what they are saying makes any sense I also notice that if someone comes up with a semi competent argument the afd falls flat on its face which kinda shows how pointless this "cleanup" (a better word would be completle massacre of the topic) misao okawa is more relevant then most articles he will ever be plain and simple [[User:Wwew345t|Wwew345t]] ([[User talk:Wwew345t|talk]]) 01:04, 31 December 2023 (UTC) |
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How to live till 100
[edit]About health advice from (super)centenarians: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/24/health/long-life-advice-centenarian-partner-content-wellness/index.html --Randykitty (talk) 09:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Adding LongeviQuest to the project page
[edit]Would someone more involved with this WikiProject please add a statement about the reliability of
longeviquesthttps://lq1.wpengine.com
to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Longevity#Databases section? Peaceray (talk) 16:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Food for thought ...
[edit]- Newman, Saul Justin (2024-09-13). "'The data on extreme human ageing is rotten from the inside out' – Ig Nobel winner Saul Justin Newman". The Conversation. Retrieved 2024-09-16.
Peaceray (talk) 20:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- This man has no clue what he is talking about Wwew345t (talk) 13:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- The only food for thought hs is the sad fact that people will make outrageous claims just for attention just like those Russian conspiracy theorists who made that ridiculous claim about Jeanne calment Wwew345t (talk) 14:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Longeviquest
[edit]Since the grg has a page shouldn't we make one for longeviquest as well? Since they are also a research group and has also been cited in the media Wwew345t (talk) 15:39, 27 October 2024 (UTC)